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htismaqe
06-05-2006, 02:50 PM
The guy must think people aren't paying attention.

First he receives a bipartisan educational bill from the legislature and line-item vetoes agreed-upon language regarding tying teacher compensation to performance. Of course, he left in the $300M teacher pay raise, he just got rid of anything that might tie them to results.

Then, this past week he really did it. The legislature passed an UNPRECEDENTED bipartisan initiative on eminent domain. It was a truly special bill, and the cooperation that led up to it I haven't seen before in this state.

Of course, No-sack vetoed it. He says letting people keep property the bought and paid for might impede economic growth and the creation of jobs. I mean, don't they have some kind of tax they can levy to create jobs? Lord knows that's been his solution for every other problem.

Cochise
06-05-2006, 02:58 PM
Veering left. Certainly could be posturing in advance of a bid for the nomination.

I can't believe anyone would get in the way of reform on eminent domain like that. I really think that if the average member of the public knew what was going on, people would be near riotous about it all over the country.

It sounds dramatic, but I think it's the most important constitutional issues in decades.

htismaqe
06-05-2006, 03:18 PM
It's not just where he stands on eminent domain.

It was his blatant and vicious thumbing of the nose at the ENTIRE legislature, including the members of his own party, who worked so hard on this. It's his blatant disregard for the Constitutional process.

The guy legislates from the executive office on par with GW Bush himself.

Cochise
06-05-2006, 03:25 PM
It's not just where he stands on eminent domain.

It was his blatant and vicious thumbing of the nose at the ENTIRE legislature, including the members of his own party, who worked so hard on this. It's his blatant disregard for the Constitutional process.

The guy legislates from the executive office on par with GW Bush himself.

The line-item veto can definitely be disastrous. It effectively permits, probably even encourages that sort of behavior.

Conceptually, I think the idea is good if it's used to do something like veto unrelated rider legeslation, but when it comes to gutting a plan like in your education example to where it's a toothless shadow of the intent of the bill passed by the legislature... to me, that jeopardizes separation of powers.

htismaqe
06-05-2006, 03:32 PM
The line-item veto can definitely be disastrous. It effectively permits, probably even encourages that sort of behavior.

Conceptually, I think the idea is good if it's used to do something like veto unrelated rider legeslation, but when it comes to gutting a plan like in your education example to where it's a toothless shadow of the intent of the bill passed by the legislature... to me, that jeopardizes separation of powers.

Bingo.

HC_Chief
06-05-2006, 03:51 PM
The line-item veto can definitely be disastrous. It effectively permits, probably even encourages that sort of behavior.

Conceptually, I think the idea is good if it's used to do something like veto unrelated rider legeslation, but when it comes to gutting a plan like in your education example to where it's a toothless shadow of the intent of the bill passed by the legislature... to me, that jeopardizes separation of powers.

Could the legislature not overturn his veto?

banyon
06-05-2006, 04:52 PM
ehh, he's just another DLC stooge.

I don't think he can win my vote unless they repeal the 22nd Amendment and re-run W.

htismaqe
06-05-2006, 06:58 PM
Could the legislature not overturn his veto?

They're working on it right now. They have an overwhelming majority in favor, and I believe they only need 2/3 to overturn his veto.

BucEyedPea
06-05-2006, 07:49 PM
htismaqe ,
Are you talking about Vilsack. You're in Iowa? I thought the people there liked him?

Dave Lane
06-05-2006, 08:01 PM
He says letting people keep property the bought and paid for might impede economic growth and the creation of jobs. I mean, don't they have some kind of tax they can levy to create jobs? Lord knows that's been his solution for every other problem.


HAve to say I agree with this. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. With compensation who cares? Hell eminent domain me!

Dave

BucEyedPea
06-05-2006, 09:11 PM
HAve to say I agree with this. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. With compensation who cares? Hell eminent domain me!

Dave

That goes against the whole idea of inalienable rights which exist before govt.

htismaqe
06-05-2006, 11:05 PM
htismaqe ,
Are you talking about Vilsack. You're in Iowa? I thought the people there liked him?

There's alot of people with their hands out that absolutely love him. I can't stand him, but maybe that's because it's people like me that are paying for his bullshit.

I hate to use stereotypes, but I think they were talking specifically about him when they coined "tax and spend". Not only that, but his bogus job creation numbers include all the casinos that opened under his watch. I've become a strong opponent of casinos because I see what they're doing to our communities.

htismaqe
06-05-2006, 11:08 PM
HAve to say I agree with this. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. With compensation who cares? Hell eminent domain me!

Dave

Compensation? Are you serious?

I'll see if I can dredge up some info on a case where a farmer who owned 95 acres on the edge of a suburb was offered $150,000 by a major retailer for about 5 acres. He said no because he was awaiting offers from some other businesses. In the meantime, the suburb annexed the land and invoked imminent domain. They took something like 15 acres and he got $45,000 dollars.

SBK
06-05-2006, 11:26 PM
My father in law calls him Villiansack. He's a scumbag, and it's great news that he's leaving office.

htismaqe
06-06-2006, 06:39 AM
My father in law calls him Villiansack. He's a scumbag, and it's great news that he's leaving office.

Not really. I'm afraid his protege, Chet Culver is gonna replace him.

BucEyedPea
06-06-2006, 07:41 AM
There's alot of people with their hands out that absolutely love him. I can't stand him, but maybe that's because it's people like me that are paying for his bullshit.

I hate to use stereotypes, but I think they were talking specifically about him when they coined "tax and spend". Not only that, but his bogus job creation numbers include all the casinos that opened under his watch. I've become a strong opponent of casinos because I see what they're doing to our communities.

Interesting I know people up there, one who is a staunch Republican (very well off) claim she liked him a lot for a gov. They also brag about how the schools are really good in Iowa.

I send my daughter up there each summer to vist her aunt's horse farm/ranch.

Radar Chief
06-06-2006, 07:41 AM
HAve to say I agree with this. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away. With compensation who cares? Hell eminent domain me!

Dave

Good, here’s hope’n they “eminent domain” your water front property for pennies on the valued dollar. :toast:

BucEyedPea
06-06-2006, 07:46 AM
Good, here’s hope’n they “eminent domain” your water front property for pennies on the valued dollar. :toast:

Did you see what some voters are trying to do to one of the SC justices home in NH? Tryin' to take it under eminent domain to make him an example.

Radar Chief
06-06-2006, 07:53 AM
Did you see what some voters are trying to do to one of the SC justices home in NH? Tryin' to take it under eminent domain to make him an example.

Yea, I’ve heard of that. Can’t remember which one right now, but that’s poetic justice right there. ;)

htismaqe
06-06-2006, 08:06 AM
Interesting I know people up there, one who is a staunch Republican (very well off) claim she liked him a lot for a gov. They also brag about how the schools are really good in Iowa.

I send my daughter up there each summer to vist her aunt's horse farm/ranch.

They love to brag how great our schools are. Iowa had the number 1 school system in the nation when Vilsack too over. We're about 12th now.

BucEyedPea
06-06-2006, 08:10 AM
They love to brag how great our schools are. Iowa had the number 1 school system in the nation when Vilsack too over. We're about 12th now.


OMG! I can't believe it. I used to hear that ALL the time how good they were.
Florida is somewhere around 35th. :( A lot more people here seem to keep their kids in private...more than NE, where I moved from.