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'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2006, 04:19 PM
I want to change the oil in my 1995 Taurus. I assume that this is fairly straightforward. I'm a slightly bigger than average person, 6'2" 185. I assume that all I need is the requisite oil (5W-30), a pan to drain it out, and maybe one of those things with wheels on it to slide out from under the vehicle. Can I conceivably do this without having to jack the car up??

4th and Long
06-06-2006, 04:21 PM
Highly unlikely.

Donger
06-06-2006, 04:23 PM
I want to change the oil in my 1995 Taurus. I assume that this is fairly straightforward. I'm a slightly bigger than average person, 6'2" 185. I assume that all I need is the requisite oil (5W-30), a pan to drain it out, and maybe one of those things with wheels on it to slide out from under the vehicle. Can I conceivably do this without having to jack the car up??

You may want to change your oil filter as well.

I've changed the oil on my cars without jacking them up. Just a question of ground clearance.

Oh, and take some before and after pictures.

HC_Chief
06-06-2006, 04:23 PM
Doubtful. I'm about your size (6'2", 205#)... I have to jack up my TL to change the oil.

I recommend you purchase a <i>good</i> hydraulic pump jack and jack stands. The cost up front is negligible when you consider the $ savings of self-performed oil changes.

StcChief
06-06-2006, 04:23 PM
It Really depends on where the filter is located. Reach from above / under.... to change it.

5W30 How many miles on car?

The creeper (wheel thing) not likely needed just slide on cardboard.

Where are you taking old oil - Valvoline will take it in
another container....Old laundry soap liquid jug works.

4th and Long
06-06-2006, 04:25 PM
Doubtful. I'm about your size (6'2", 205#)... I have to jack up my TL to change the oil.

I recommend you purchase a <i>good</i> hydraulic pump jack and supports for the car. The cost up front is negligible when you consider the $ savings of self-performed oil changes.
A pair of ramps works just as well and they are also cost effective. Just don't drive off the end of the things and you'll be fine.

HC_Chief
06-06-2006, 04:27 PM
A pair of ramps works just as well and they are also cost effective. Just don't drive off the end of the things and you'll be fine.

I am leary of ramps... they tend to slip when you drive up onto them and you have to block your rear tires. A pair of 3-ton jack stands can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes for approx $20.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2006, 04:30 PM
I am leary of ramps... they tend to slip when you drive up onto them and you have to block your rear tires. A pair of 3-ton jack stands can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes for approx $20.

Are these hydraulic jacks or the old type farm jacks that can slip out and crack your skull open like Gallagher on a Watermelon??

BTW, thanks for all the advice.

4th and Long
06-06-2006, 04:36 PM
I am leary of ramps... they tend to slip when you drive up onto them and you have to block your rear tires. A pair of 3-ton jack stands can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes for approx $20.
In the 25 years that I've been changing my own oil, I have never had that happen to me. I'm calling operator error on this one.

cdcox
06-06-2006, 04:38 PM
I change the oil and filter on my 2003 Altima without jacking it up. Really depends more on the filter location than anything.

Jack stands:

http://www.johndow.com/jpeg/Jack%20Stands/JS3.jpg

You need a jack to set the car on the stands (a pair for one axel). Trust the stands, not the jack.

cdcox
06-06-2006, 04:39 PM
In the 25 years that I've been changing my own oil, I have never had that happen to me. I'm calling operator error on this one.

The problem with ramps is clearance. On newer models, I end up hitting the ramp with the bumper before the wheel reaches the ramp.

HC_Chief
06-06-2006, 04:41 PM
Are these hydraulic jacks or the old type farm jacks that can slip out and crack your skull open like Gallagher on a Watermelon??

BTW, thanks for all the advice.

lol

I'm refering to "real" hydraulic jacks... like this:

<img src="http://shop.com.edgesuite.net/ccimg.shop.com/220000/226700/226712/products/14293014.jpg">

Gonzo
06-06-2006, 04:42 PM
The filter on a Ford Taurus is located to the side of the oil pan, (drivers side depending on the engine). It would take far less time to just jack the car up instead of struggling to reach the filter. Also, when removing the filter, check to make sure the rubber gasket came off with it. If you have not changed the oil in a while, the gasket tends to stick. Now when applying the new filter, put a film of new oil around that gasket to make sure you have a good seal. I reccomend a fram oil filter because it has the back check valve in it to keep more oil in the engine after shut down. This function promotes less wear upon start up. 5w30 is a the optimum oil to use in the winter because it is a little thinner and takes less engine effort to lubricate. You may use 10 w 30 in the summer but it does not really matter.

I do not reccomend using ramps, they are far more dangerous than a good hydraulic jack. I use a sears craftsman 4 ton jack myself. Always use jack stands in case of jack failure. The jacking point on a Taurus is directly behind either front tire on the frame pivot point. It should say "jack" on the body seam right under the car. Do not body lift the vehicle unless you like not opening your doors.

HC_Chief
06-06-2006, 04:44 PM
In the 25 years that I've been changing my own oil, I have never had that happen to me. I'm calling operator error on this one.

You can call whatever you want... fact is ramps are inherrently less safe than jack stands. If you place ramps on smooth concrete, like poured treated cement you find in most garages, the chance of slippage is extremely high. Then consider front-end clearance on the vehicle: the front bumper on many vehicles sticks out far & low enough to "scoot" the ramps prior to the vehicl <i>safely</i> reaching the top. On top of that, you still have to chock the rear tires.... unless you like risking your life on the transmission and/or emergency brake alone. :p

StcChief
06-06-2006, 04:47 PM
I change the oil and filter on my 2003 Altima without jacking it up. Really depends more on the filter location than anything.

Jack stands:

http://www.johndow.com/jpeg/Jack%20Stands/JS3.jpg

You need a jack to set the car on the stands (a pair for one axel). Trust the stands, not the jack.

Changing oil for over 25 years, never used ramps, or floor jack/stands for that.
I guess I've been lucky being skinny with long arms to get under car.
Really like the accessible filter from either end. These are sometimes work by feel alone....

ChiefsOne
06-06-2006, 04:49 PM
I used to change the oil in my cars, but figured it is not worth the aggravation that it causes to save $10. You buy the stuff it cost $7-8 bucks or you can pay someone $15-20. Not worth it IMO.

4th and Long
06-06-2006, 04:52 PM
You can call whatever you want... fact is ramps are inherrently less safe than jack stands. If you place ramps on smooth concrete, like poured treated cement you find in most garages, the chance of slippage is extremely high. Then consider front-end clearance on the vehicle: the front bumper on many vehicles sticks out far & low enough to "scoot" the ramps prior to the vehicl <i>safely</i> reaching the top. On top of that, you still have to chock the rear tires.... unless you like risking your life on the transmission and/or emergency brake alone. :p
My ability to make the previous posts, coupled with the fact that I have never sustained an injury (sans cracking an occasional knuckle) wile changing using ramps clearly points toward operator error. :p

Actually, I never change my oil in the garage on a concrete surface. I always do it outside. I'm messy like that. :)

sedated
06-06-2006, 04:54 PM
cars are for suckers.

Baconeater
06-06-2006, 05:17 PM
When I was younger and had a sense of immortality, I used to park my car with two wheels up on the curb and then I could get under it to change the oil. I use a jack and stands now when I do my oil changes myself. What cdcox said is true with most cars these days, they have low front ends that don't work well with ramps.