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Taco John
06-06-2006, 08:31 PM
Again... We all know that neither will likely get there. Saying so doesn't make you look any smarter than telling us all that water is wet.

The question is, who deserves it more....

Rain Man
06-06-2006, 08:32 PM
I don't think either will make it, and ... oh.

Rain Man
06-06-2006, 08:33 PM
Can you post their stats? I don't know Bledsoe's stats.

Count Alex's Losses
06-06-2006, 08:33 PM
Bledsoe has 43,000 yards. Obviously he's the logical choice.

You never know. If Drew wins a couple of SBs with TO he could get in.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 08:42 PM
I think both are far off from going to Canton, but here you go:

Bledsoe - you could build a case
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1993 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1993.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1993.htm) | 13 | 214 429 49.9 2494 5.8 15 15 | 32 82 0 |
| 1994 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1994.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1994.htm) | 16 | 400 691 57.9 4555 6.6 25 27 | 44 40 0 |
| 1995 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1995.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1995.htm) | 15 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#1995) | 323 636 50.8 3507 5.5 13 16 | 20 28 0 |
| 1996 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1996.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1996.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#1996) | 373 623 59.9 4086 6.6 27 15 | 24 27 0 |
| 1997 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1997.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1997.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#1997) | 314 522 60.2 3706 7.1 28 15 | 28 55 0 |
| 1998 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1998.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1998.htm) | 14 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#1998) | 263 481 54.7 3633 7.6 20 14 | 28 44 0 |
| 1999 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1999.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe1999.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#1999) | 305 539 56.6 3985 7.4 19 21 | 42 101 0 |
| 2000 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2000.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe2000.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#2000) | 312 531 58.8 3291 6.2 17 13 | 47 158 2 |
| 2001 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2001.htm) nwe (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/nwe2001.htm) | 2 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#2001) | 40 66 60.6 400 6.1 2 2 | 5 18 0 |
| 2002 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2002.htm) buf (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/buf2002.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#2002) | 375 610 61.5 4359 7.1 24 15 | 27 67 2 |
| 2003 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2003.htm) buf (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/buf2003.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#2003) | 274 471 58.2 2860 6.1 11 12 | 24 29 2 |
| 2004 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2004.htm) buf (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/buf2004.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#2004) | 256 450 56.9 2932 6.5 20 16 | 22 37 0 |
| 2005 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2005.htm) dal (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/dal2005.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/BledDr00.htm#2005) | 300 499 60.1 3639 7.3 23 17 | 34 50 2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 188 | 3749 6548 57.3 43447 6.6 244 198 | 377 736 8 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Green
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1997 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1997.htm) was (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/was1997.htm) | 1 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#1997) | 0 1 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 1998 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1998.htm) was (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/was1998.htm) | 15 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#1998) | 278 509 54.6 3441 6.8 23 11 | 42 117 2 |
| 2000 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2000.htm) ram (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/ram2000.htm) | 8 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#2000) | 145 240 60.4 2063 8.6 16 5 | 20 69 1 |
| 2001 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2001.htm) kan (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2001.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#2001) | 296 523 56.6 3783 7.2 17 24 | 35 158 0 |
| 2002 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2002.htm) kan (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2002.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#2002) | 287 470 61.1 3690 7.9 26 13 | 31 225 1 |
| 2003 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2003.htm) kan (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2003.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#2003) | 330 523 63.1 4039 7.7 24 12 | 26 83 2 |
| 2004 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2004.htm) kan (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2004.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#2004) | 369 556 66.4 4591 8.3 27 17 | 25 85 0 |
| 2005 (http://www.profootballreference.com/years/2005.htm) kan (http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan2005.htm) | 16 (http://www.profootballreference.com/games/GreeTr00.htm#2005) | 317 507 62.5 4014 7.9 17 10 | 35 82 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 104 | 2022 3329 60.7 25621 7.7 150 92 | 214 819 6 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 08:44 PM
Bledsoe has the longevity, entering his 14th year... missed nearly all of 1 in 2001, also when he got his ring watching Brady take his job.

Bledsoe has 8 seasons over 3,500 yards ... career totals for yards and TDs are nice. He was pretty good for a sustained period of time as well in NE.

Currently, his all time rankings are pretty good:
Among the league's all-time top 50

Pass attempts (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/att.htm):5th
Completions (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/cmp.htm):5th
Passing yards (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/pyd.htm):7th
Passing TDs (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/ptd.htm):13th tied

If he could win a ring in Dallas and play for another 2 years... he might have a strong case.

Taco John
06-06-2006, 08:48 PM
That had to be rough for Bledsoe to watch Brady take his job, and a Superbowl along the way.

It begs the question if the Patriots could have won it with Bledsoe that year...

alpha_omega
06-06-2006, 08:49 PM
43,447 yards...

I love Green, but Bledsoe is the obvious choice between the two based just on this number.

melbar
06-06-2006, 08:59 PM
Green is one of 3 QB's in history to pass for 4,000 yards 3 years in a row.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 09:00 PM
That had to be rough for Bledsoe to watch Brady take his job, and a Superbowl along the way.

It begs the question if the Patriots could have won it with Bledsoe that year...
It's a great question and one they'll likely never consider thinking about. Brady brought something when he entered the scene that year and he's been rocking with "it" ever since.

I don't think it's a knock on Bledsoe by any means, but the team did rally around Brady at that point. Bledsoe is in a great situation right now with that offense in Dallas ... they could be lethal this year.

Count Alex's Losses
06-06-2006, 09:01 PM
Don't forget that Brady got knocked out of the AFC Championship game and Bledsoe came in and threw a TD.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 09:02 PM
Green is one of 3 QB's in history to pass for 4,000 yards 3 years in a row.
Manning did it for 6 years in a row. I don't know who the other QB is (Marino?)... but that's at least 2 of your 3 hitting that mark in the pass happy era of the NFL.

Oh and don't forget about Green's QB rating...

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 09:02 PM
Don't forget that Brady got knocked out of the AFC Championship game and Bledsoe came in and threw a TD.

There you go - that seals it for Drew.

Ultra Peanut
06-06-2006, 09:15 PM
I voted for Trent Green BECAUSE I AM A HOMER.

JBucc
06-06-2006, 10:01 PM
I voted for Trent because I did

Taco John
06-06-2006, 10:01 PM
I think the Drew Bledsoe story kind of highlights just how far Trent Green really is from being a HOF quarterback...

Count Alex's Losses
06-06-2006, 10:02 PM
I think the Drew Bledsoe story kind of highlights just how far Trent Green really is from being a HOF quarterback...

I don't think anyone here is under the impression that he'd get in barring a couple of Super Bowl wins.

BucEyedPea
06-06-2006, 10:04 PM
Drew Bledsoe

Neither will go though...just for kicks!

NJ Chief Fan
06-06-2006, 10:06 PM
bledsoe has atleast started in a super bowl game

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 10:08 PM
bledsoe has atleast started in a super bowl game

Heh, I keep forgetting he actually took NE to a SB (and lost) years before they won it.

nychief
06-06-2006, 10:48 PM
bledsoe lead one team, and helped another to the SB. Trent has not won a playoff game. That beeing said, I can't think of a situation where I would choose Drew over Trent.

wazu
06-06-2006, 11:00 PM
Green threw one pass attempt in his first six years in the league, missed an additional entire year to injury, and served as back-up to Warner another year. That's 7.5 years lost.

Too bad. He'll just have to win a Superbowl for KC and settle for the Chiefs HOF.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2006, 11:17 PM
Green threw one pass attempt in his first six years in the league.

That typically doesn't happen with HOF players...

jspchief
06-07-2006, 05:47 AM
Bledsoe has the longevity, entering his 14th year... missed nearly all of 1 in 2001, also when he got his ring watching Brady take his job.

Bledsoe has 8 seasons over 3,500 yards ... career totals for yards and TDs are nice. He was pretty good for a sustained period of time as well in NE.

Currently, his all time rankings are pretty good:
Among the league's all-time top 50

Pass attempts (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/att.htm):5th
Completions (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/cmp.htm):5th
Passing yards (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/pyd.htm):7th
Passing TDs (http://www.profootballreference.com/misc/ptd.htm):13th tied

If he could win a ring in Dallas and play for another 2 years... he might have a strong case.Bledsoe's stats are less impressive when you take the other numbers into consideration. He has a ridiculous number of attempts (over 600 a few years?), his completion percentage is below 60%, his Y/A average is low.

He's a product of longevity and some pass heavy offenses.

I'd say either him or Green would need 2 Superbowls to get in.

Amnorix
06-07-2006, 06:55 AM
Having watched Bledsoe for the first 8 years or whatever of his career, all I can say here is that he is eminently NOT QUALIFIED for the Hall of Fame.

I've never seen a better example of "stats lie" than Bledsoe. He was a very good quarterback for a few years. That's it. Not great. Not awesome. Not HOF-worthy.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2006, 07:15 AM
Having watched Bledsoe for the first 8 years or whatever of his career, all I can say here is that he is eminently NOT QUALIFIED for the Hall of Fame.

I've never seen a better example of "stats lie" than Bledsoe. He was a very good quarterback for a few years. That's it. Not great. Not awesome. Not HOF-worthy.

I don't think anyone here really sees him as HOF worthy... all the stats really say is that he's been around a long time and has been in situations where he has had to pass a lot.

King_Chief_Fan
06-07-2006, 07:19 AM
I think the Drew Bledsoe story kind of highlights just how far Trent Green really is from being a HOF quarterback...

exactly............ But, I think he is much closer than Plummer!

Mile High Mania
06-07-2006, 07:40 AM
exactly............ But, I think he is much closer than Plummer!

I don't know which of us should be more amused by that comment.

Amnorix
06-07-2006, 07:57 AM
bledsoe lead one team, and helped another to the SB.

I agree he led one team to the SB.

"helped another" -- lost him in the 2nd game of the season (Pats were 0-2 in those games.

Came back just before halftime against the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game. Threw a key TD in the back right corner of the endzone. Then sucked as usual throughout the half, including one of the most absolute ridiculous "passes" I have ever seen -- chucked it over his head, backwards (with his back to the LOS), toward the middle of the field, while in the middle of getting taken down for a sack.

It was THAT play that told me that Bledsoe was gone forever, and Brady was our man. I had forgotten all the ridiculous STUPID crap this 8 year or whatever veteran did, ALL THE TIME, like that. Brady never pulled that stupid stuff, and it wasn't until I saw Bledsoe at his "best" that I realized why we won with Brady but not with Bledsoe. Million dollar arm, ten cent head.

So yeah, he "helped", I guess, but I give him a 0.000000001% share of that Pats SB win credit.

Rain Man
06-07-2006, 08:12 AM
I can't wait until we get to the "Ed McCaffrey versus a Gatorade Cooler" vote. I bet the Gatorade cooler would pick Jim Burt or Harry Carson to do the induction speech.

MOhillbilly
06-07-2006, 08:13 AM
bledsoe is only slightly better than jeff george. Green gets the nod for field generalship and the ability not to blow every close game.

King_Chief_Fan
06-07-2006, 08:14 AM
I don't know which of us should be more amused by that comment.

Not all may be amused, but it was intended for all

Tuckdaddy
06-07-2006, 08:23 AM
Neither.

ck_IN
06-07-2006, 08:26 AM
Of the two I'd say Green. Bledsoe is an upper case Testeverde. In other words a QB with a good arm, a weak head but has managed to stay in the league forever.

Both of the choices though will have to buy a ticket to get into Canton.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-07-2006, 10:10 AM
I picked Green. Neither ones stats are good enough to go into the Hall. I don't think any amount of SB victories would do it for Green either. Bledsoe may make it if he won a couple. The reason I chose Green is because he is a better QB than Bledsoe. Green didn't play for years. If he had, I think he would be a HOFer. So that being said, pound for pound Green is more deserving.

StcChief
06-07-2006, 02:59 PM
Green (based on 2 more years) but hard to argue with the numbers on Bledsoe now.
Dallas wins one SB with him. He's a shoe in.

ct
06-07-2006, 03:06 PM
Hmmm, you put Bledsoe on there cause Plummer ain't worthy?

Bledsoe > Plummer