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BIG_DADDY
06-08-2006, 04:55 PM
Al Gore 5-1


Al Sharpton 1000-1


Alan Keyes 750-1


Alberto Gonzales 75-1


Arnold Schwarzenegger 250-1


Barack Obama 40-1


Bill Clinton 300-1


Bill Frist 30-1


Bill Maher 2500-1


Bill OReilly 750-1


Bill Owens 50-1


Bill Richardson 12-1


Bob Ehrlich 75-1


Bob Graham 150-1


Bob Kerrey 50-1


Charles Schumer 75-1


Chuck Hagel 22-1


Clint Eastwood 750-1


Colin Powell 25-1


Condoleezza Rice 60-1


Dennis Kucinich 200-1


Dick Cheney 75-1


Dick Gephardt 75-1


Donald Rumsfeld 2000-1


Donald Trump 2500-1


Elizabeth Dole 750-1


Evan Bayh 20-1


Gary Locke 70-1


George Allen Jr 10-1


George Pataki 50-1


George W Bush 200-1


Harold Ford Jr 75-1


Hillary Clinton 3-1


Howard Dean 75-1


Jack Kemp 75-1


James Carville 1000-1


Jay Rockefeller 100-1


Jeb Bush 100-1


Jesse Jackson 200-1


Jesse Ventura 1000-1


Joe Biden 30-1


Joe Lieberman 150-1


John Ashcroft 1500-1


John Edwards 30-1


John Kerry 50-1


John McCain 6-1


Laura Bush 1000-1


Mark Warner 15-1


Michael Bloomberg 150-1


Michael Moore 7500-1


Mike Gravel 50-1


Mike Huckabee 20-1


Mitt Romney 15-1


Newt Gingrich 40-1


Pat Robertson 2000-1


Paul Bremmer 150-1


Paul Wolfowitz 750-1


Ralph Nader 100-1


Rick Santorum 50-1


Rudy Giuliani 10-1


Russ Feingold 40-1


Sam Brownback 10-1


Ted Kennedy 750-1


Tom Daschle 50-1


Tom Ridge 50-1


Tom Tancredo 50-1


Tom Vilsack 40-1


Tommy Franks 200-1


Wesley Clark 75-1

banyon
06-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Did you come up with these odds, BD?

Or are they Danny Sheridan's or something?

jAZ
06-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Who came up with those lines? They suck ass.

Moooo
06-08-2006, 05:01 PM
I'm a democrat, and I'd give McCain better than 6-1...

Moooo

jAZ
06-08-2006, 05:05 PM
Arnold Schwarzenegger 250-1
Bill Clinton 300-1
Dick Cheney 75-1
George W Bush 200-1
Rudy Giuliani 10-1
Sam Brownback 10-1
Wesley Clark 75-1
Bill, George and Arnold are all inelligeble to be Presient.

ROFL

Dick Cheney might as well be with his 10% approval ratings.

Rudi & Brownback are both 10-1?? ROFL

Rudi and Wes Clark are probably #1 & #2 on this shortened list.

Frankie
06-08-2006, 05:53 PM
I'm goin with Jeb Bush baby
Does his wife know? :shrug:

BIG_DADDY
06-08-2006, 06:17 PM
Did you come up with these odds, BD?

Or are they Danny Sheridan's or something?

Sportsbook.com

Nightwish
06-08-2006, 06:27 PM
Bill, George and Arnold are all inelligeble to be Presient.

ROFL

Dick Cheney might as well be with his 10% approval ratings.
Hasn't Cheney already served two terms as President?

banyon
06-08-2006, 06:38 PM
Sportsbook.com

thanks. I think it's interesting to see them in order:

Hillary Clinton 3-1

Al Gore 5-1

John McCain 6-1

George Allen Jr 10-1

Rudy Giuliani 10-1

Sam Brownback 10-1

Bill Richardson 12-1

Mark Warner 15-1

Mitt Romney 15-1

Mike Huckabee 20-1

Evan Bayh 20-1

Chuck Hagel 22-1

Colin Powell 25-1

Joe Biden 30-1

Bill Frist 30-1

John Edwards 30-1

Newt Gingrich 40-1

Tom Vilsack 40-1

Russ Feingold 40-1

Barack Obama 40-1

Rick Santorum 50-1

Tom Tancredo 50-1

Mike Gravel 50-1

Tom Ridge 50-1

Tom Daschle 50-1

Bill Owens 50-1

Bob Kerrey 50-1

John Kerry 50-1

George Pataki 50-1

Condoleezza Rice 60-1

Gary Locke 70-1

Dick Gephardt 75-1

Wesley Clark 75-1

Dick Cheney 75-1

Howard Dean 75-1

Alberto Gonzales 75-1

Bob Ehrlich 75-1

Charles Schumer 75-1

Harold Ford Jr 75-1

Jack Kemp 75-1

Jeb Bush 100-1

Jay Rockefeller 100-1

Ralph Nader 100-1

Paul Bremmer 150-1

Joe Lieberman 150-1

Bob Graham 150-1

Michael Bloomberg 150-1

Tommy Franks 200-1

Jesse Jackson 200-1

George W Bush 200-1

Dennis Kucinich 200-1

Arnold Schwarzenegger 250-1

Bill Clinton 300-1

Paul Wolfowitz 750-1

Alan Keyes 750-1

Elizabeth Dole 750-1

Clint Eastwood 750-1

Ted Kennedy 750-1

Bill OReilly 750-1

Laura Bush 1000-1

James Carville 1000-1

Jesse Ventura 1000-1

Al Sharpton 1000-1

John Ashcroft 1500-1

Donald Rumsfeld 2000-1

Pat Robertson 2000-1

Bill Maher 2500-1

Donald Trump 2500-1

Michael Moore 7500-1

WilliamTheIrish
06-08-2006, 07:11 PM
Brownback at 10-1?

That scares me.

Ultra Peanut
06-08-2006, 11:33 PM
I think it would be interesting to see Gore run again, what with him having grown a spine and some personality over these past 8 years.

By this point, though, he's probably past the point where you're lukewarm enough to be "electable." After all, the rule seems to be that you can't run for president if you're not a totally unappealing turd.

wazu
06-08-2006, 11:44 PM
Insane. Obama = Gingrich? I'd have Obama much closer to the top. No way should Hillary be the favorite. She may be the "most likely to get the nomination", but that's just because the Democrats are stupid.

Ultra Peanut
06-09-2006, 12:12 AM
Does ANYONE like Hillary? I mean, seriously. Even the most died-in-the-wool Democrats seem to recognize that the her "values" simply reflect whatever the polls say they should.

Nightwish
06-09-2006, 01:42 AM
Insane. Obama = Gingrich? I'd have Obama much closer to the top. No way should Hillary be the favorite. She may be the "most likely to get the nomination", but that's just because the Democrats are stupid.I'd probably vote for Obama, if he were to run. I dunno, I like the guy. There's something about him that's refreshing. He seems to be pretty straight forward, not talking out of both sides of his mouth all the time, and that's a breath of fresh air in modern politics. Of course, I don't follow him all that closely, so I haven't given him close scrutiny, and I may have him all wrong (and probably do), but that's just how he comes across to me.

It's also be a pretty easy transition, going from President "O' bomb 'em" to President Obama.

Taco John
06-09-2006, 03:04 AM
I'm goin with Jeb Bush baby



By the looks of your avatar, he's a little out of your league.

Cochise
06-09-2006, 08:30 AM
Does ANYONE like Hillary? I mean, seriously. Even the most died-in-the-wool Democrats seem to recognize that the her "values" simply reflect whatever the polls say they should.

I don't think anybody knows what she is. She's a slave to what her focus groups say is public opinion. She doesn't seem to have any beliefs except what is expedient for her designs on political office.

ct
06-09-2006, 08:42 AM
Bill, George and Arnold are all inelligeble to be Presient.

...

Arnold yes, for now. I think Bill and George, as former presidents, can run again. Something along the lines as the limit is 2 consecutive terms, but can after another has served in between. Or I could be full of it...

And RE: Hillary Cuntin...NFW she'd get elected! Nominated, perhaps, but she'll get crucified in a neg rep campaign.

If there is to be a female President anytime soon, Condi Rice is prolly the best bet.

Honestly, I think John McCain will be our next President.

banyon
06-09-2006, 09:10 AM
Did anybody else notice that GWB is 200-1?

That's relatively high odds of repealing the 22nd Amendment I would think.

jAZ
06-09-2006, 09:24 AM
While the lines here are absolutely horrible, I think BD deserves credit for an interesting topic.

:thumb:

HC_Chief
06-09-2006, 09:24 AM
Honestly, I think John McCain will be our next President.

Highly doubtful. He has pissed off too many republicans to get the nomination.

As far as HRC is concerned, I do not know <i>one</i> person that would vote for her. Not a single voter... and I know quite a few libbie types too.

Ultra Peanut
06-09-2006, 09:35 AM
Highly doubtful. He has pissed off too many republicans to get the nomination.He's also pissing off the moderates he might have otherwise captured by trying to curry favor with people like Jerry Falwell.

Nightwish
06-09-2006, 10:52 AM
Arnold yes, for now. I think Bill and George, as former presidents, can run again. Something along the lines as the limit is 2 consecutive terms, but can after another has served in between. Or I could be full of it...
That's what I thought, so I looked up the 22nd Amendment. It actually says that no person can be elected more than twice, and no more than once if a sitting President was not elected but has served more than two years of the elected President's term (such as a VP taking over when the Pres dies). The maximum number of years that any one person can occupy the Presidency is 10.

patteeu
06-09-2006, 11:24 AM
Did anybody else notice that GWB is 200-1?

That's relatively high odds of repealing the 22nd Amendment I would think.

Even more interesting to me than that is that Bill Clinton is 300-1 which apparently means that if the 22nd A was repealed they think GWBush is more likely to become president again than Clinton. Maybe they are thinking that Bill and Hilary would split the pro-Clinton vote and lose the primary. Or maybe they think that no matter what the approval polls say about GWBush, voters are smart enough to be thankful that if 9/11 had to happen we are better off having had it happen under Bush than Clinton. :shrug:

BIG_DADDY
06-09-2006, 11:54 AM
Honestly, I think John McCain will be our next President.

Great, he can tax cigars out of existence and impliment steroid testing nationally for all high school athletes. He can get rid of all MMA and gambling too. Hell he just might the one candidate who wants to micro manage society more the Bush. When he is done the government will be running all professional sports.

Moooo
06-09-2006, 12:05 PM
I'd vote for Hillary. I'm not obsessive about doing so, but most people make her out to be some psycho b*tch which I don't see her being any more than all female politicians. Really, name one female politician who doesn't come across as kinda b*tchy, and I'll rescind. Its part of the tightrope they have to walk: Assertive enough to be a leader, passive enough and sweet enough to be a lady.

I don't think she'd be all that bad, plus she'd have some good advice to turn to if things get rough.

Moooo

HC_Chief
06-09-2006, 12:31 PM
...but most people make her out to be some psycho b*tch which I don't see her being any more than all female politicians.

:spock:
Dude, she's a notorious uber-f**ing mega-bitch. I don't blame 'ol Billy Boy one bit for hitting anything <i>other</i> than that skank.

<a href="http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/clintons.html"> Here's a nice collection of her tirades, all of which are fully sourced.</a>

banyon
06-09-2006, 01:46 PM
Even more interesting to me than that is that Bill Clinton is 300-1 which apparently means that if the 22nd A was repealed they think GWBush is more likely to become president again than Clinton. Maybe they are thinking that Bill and Hilary would split the pro-Clinton vote and lose the primary. Or maybe they think that no matter what the approval polls say about GWBush, voters are smart enough to be thankful that if 9/11 had to happen we are better off having had it happen under Bush than Clinton. :shrug:

Well, W would have the incumbency advantage. Clinton would be like Grover Cleveland in a nonconsecutive return.

go bowe
06-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Does his wife know? :shrug:schnnnnnort!!

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

DanT
06-10-2006, 04:16 PM
That's what I thought, so I looked up the 22nd Amendment. It actually says that no person can be elected more than twice, and no more than once if a sitting President was not elected but has served more than two years of the elected President's term (such as a VP taking over when the Pres dies). The maximum number of years that any one person can occupy the Presidency is 10.

What if, say, Bill Clinton gets elected Vice-President and the President dies early in the term? Wouldn't Bill Clinton then be able to occupy the Presidency for more than 10 years?

DanT
06-10-2006, 05:13 PM
What if, say, Bill Clinton gets elected Vice-President and the President dies early in the term? Wouldn't Bill Clinton then be able to occupy the Presidency for more than 10 years?

Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia.org entry on the Vice-President of the United States that concerns my questions:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States

Constitutional requirements
The Vice President must be a natural-born citizen of the United States, at least thirty-five years of age and a resident of the U.S. for 14 years. The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires vice presidents to meet the same requirements as presidents, and the 22nd amendment limits presidents to being elected to only two terms. It is, however, debated whether a former two-term president could be elected Vice President since the 22nd amendment doesn’t limit a president to serving two terms; it only prevents him from being elected to more than two terms. According to one interpretation a two term president could be elected to the vice-presidency and then serve another term in the presidency if the elected president died or was removed from office. The 22nd amendment only forbids election to, not service in, the presidency more than twice. In such a circumstance the two-term president turned vice president would still be elected to the presidency twice.

banyon
06-10-2006, 06:37 PM
Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia.org entry on the Vice-President of the United States that concerns my questions:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States

Constitutional requirements
The Vice President must be a natural-born citizen of the United States, at least thirty-five years of age and a resident of the U.S. for 14 years. The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires vice presidents to meet the same requirements as presidents, and the 22nd amendment limits presidents to being elected to only two terms. It is, however, debated whether a former two-term president could be elected Vice President since the 22nd amendment doesn’t limit a president to serving two terms; it only prevents him from being elected to more than two terms. According to one interpretation a two term president could be elected to the vice-presidency and then serve another term in the presidency if the elected president died or was removed from office. The 22nd amendment only forbids election to, not service in, the presidency more than twice. In such a circumstance the two-term president turned vice president would still be elected to the presidency twice.

The contrary argument on that front is that the Elected VP must possess all of the qualifications to be president. The 22nd amendment then, adds a new "qualification", namely that you haven't been elected 2x.

But it is disputed, for sure.

BWillie
06-10-2006, 06:51 PM
Wait, this is the first time I thought about this. This means it is possible if Hillary wins the democratic nomination that Bill could be here runningmate at vice?? Wow, maybe she can get elected with Bill as vice president. I think that's the only way she could win.