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Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:12 PM
I'm going to put up a series of posts in this thread that assume the following:

1. Carl Peterson, on draft day, drafted the player from his pick to a pick ten below his, that ended up having the best pro career. In other words, if he had the 15th pick, he would've picked up anyone from the 15th through the 24th pick who ended up being better. (I do this because it's not realistic that he would've picked up a Terrell Davis in the 1st round. We'll assume that the scouting reports back then were what he had to work with.)

2. Free agency is free agency, so Carl would've kept the players as long as their original team kept them - no longer and no shorter.

3. I make a judgment call on the "best player" available. I'll take into account team needs only if there are two players who are very close in talent.

4. I'm only making changes in the first three rounds.

Okay, ready?

The year is 1989. A young, helmet-haired Carl has just taken over the Chiefs. Here's what he does.

1989

Instead of Derrick Thomas, Naz Worthen, and Mike Elkins, we would have drafted Derrick Thomas, S Carnell Lake (1989-1998), and C Jerry Fontenot (1989-1996)

Revised starting lineup in 1989:

RB: Christian Okoye
RB: Herman Heard
QB: Steve DeBerg
WR: Pete Mandley
WR: Stephone Paige
TE: Jonathan Hayes
T: John Alt
T: Irv Eatman
G: Mark Adickes
G: Dave Lutz
C: Mike Webster
K: Nick Lowery
P: Kelly Goodburn
FS: Deron Cherry
SS: Carnell Lake (instead of Kevin Porter)
CB: Albert Lewis
CB: Kevin Ross
OLB: Chris Martin
OLB: Derrick Thomas
ILB: Walker Lee Ashley
ILB: Dino Hackett
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Leonard Griffin
NT: Bill Maas

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C

The Chiefs went 8-7-1 in 1989, missing the playoffs with a 2nd place finish behind the Denver Broncos (11-5). We would've needed one more win to make the playoffs as a wild card. Would a young Carnell Lake have made the difference?

Procedural Note: Go to post 2 for 1990, and then work your way up the posts for other years through 2006.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:17 PM
1990

This would have been an enormous change in destinies.

Instead of Percy Snow, Tim Grunhard, and (someone we got in a trade with the 49ers), we would have drafted RB Emmitt Smith (1990-2002), Tim Grunhard, and DE Anthony Pleasant (1990-1995).

Starting lineup in 1990:

RB: Okoye
RB: Emmitt Smith (instead of Bill Jones)
QB: DeBerg
WR: Robb Thomas
WR: Paige
TE: Alfredo Roberts
T: Alt
T: Rich Baldinger
G: Frank Winters
G: Lutz
C: Mike Webster
K: Lowery
P: Kelly Goodburn
FS: Jeff Donaldson
SS: Carnell Lake (instead of Kevin Porter)
CB: Lewis
CB: Ross
OLB: Chris Martin
OLB: DT
ILB: Tracy Rogers (instead of Percy Snow)
ILB: Hackett
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Bill Maas
NT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Pleasant at DE95

We went 11-5 in 1990, coming in 2nd to the Raiders at 12-4. We went to the playoffs and lost a heartbreaker (of course), 17-16 to the Miami Dolphins.

With a young Emmitt Smith at HB teaming up with Okoye, and with Carnell Lake emerging at SS, we might've gone deep into the playoffs. We would've had Tracy Rogers starting in place of Percy Snow.

This was a missed opportunity for Imperfect Carl.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:22 PM
1991

This is the year that Carl would have solidified his reputation for scouting defensive backs.

Instead of Harvey Williams, Joe Valerio, and Tim Barnett, we would have drafted NT Ted Washington (1991-1993), CB Aeneas Williams (1991-2000), and G Kevin Donnally (1991-1997).

RB: Okoye
RB: Emmitt Smith (instead of Bill Jones)
QB: DeBerg
WR: Robb Thomas
WR: Emile Harry (instead of Tim Barnett)
TE: Jonathan Hayes
T: Alt
T: Rich Baldinger
G: Szott
G: Lutz
C: Grunhard
K: Lowery
P: Bryan Barker
FS: Deron Cherry
SS: Carnell Lake (instead of Kevin Porter)
CB: Aeneas Williams (instead of Jayice Pearson)
CB: Ross
OLB: Chris Martin
OLB: DT
ILB: Tracy Simien
ILB: Hackett
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Bill Maas
NT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Pleasant at DE95, Washington at NT93, Donnally at G97

We went 10-6 this year, finishing second to the Broncos at 12-4. We took on Todd Marinovich's Raiders in the wild card round and won 10-6. We then faced Buffalo and got killed 37-14.

In PerfectCarl World, we would've had some pretty weak receivers this year, but wouldn't have needed them as Okoye and Emmitt pounded defenses like the world has never seen. Additionally, other teams could not have passed on the sterling KC secondary, despite an injury loss of Albert Lewis. Rookie Aeneas Williams would have stepped in and held the job for a decade.

We might have pushed our way past Buffalo. I'm not sure.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:27 PM
1992

PerfectCarl continues to stock up on defensive backs. I wish he'd draft some linebackers.

Instead of Dale Carter, Matt Blundin, and some trade with the Jets(?), we would have drafted Dale Carter, CB Philippi Sparks (1992-1999), and TE Aaron Pierce (1992-1997)

RB: Barry Word
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Bill Jones)
QB: Dave Krieg
WR: Willie Davis
WR: J.J. Birden
TE: Keith Cash
T: Alt
T: Rich Baldinger
G: Szott
G: Lutz
C: Grunhard
K: Lowery
P: Bryan Barker
FS: Charles Mincy
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of Kevin Porter)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of Albert Lewis)
CB: Ross
OLB: Chris Martin
OLB: DT
ILB: Tracy Simien
ILB: Ervin Randle
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Anthony Pleasant (95instead of Leonard Griffin)
NT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Washington at NT93, Donnally at G97, Dale Carter at CB, Albert Lewis at CB, Philippi Sparks at CB99, Aaron Pierce at TE97

In real life, the Chiefs went 10-6 in 1992, finishing second to the Chargers at 11-5. We got a wild card spot, but strangled on our own sputum in losing to the Chargers 17-0.

PerfectCarl would have been running Emmitt Smith instead of Bill Jones, and he had picked up a passing game with Davis and Birden. On defense, he had a fearsome foursome of cornerbacks in Williams, Lewis, Ross, and rookie Dale Carter. It's likely that Marty would've moved Ross to safety in this situation. Also, Anthony Pleasant would have upgraded the DE position over Leonard Griffin.

I think we would've made it past San Diego here.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:34 PM
1993

Ah, yes. We remember 1993. Carl made almost all the right moves here, except I'm not sure what happened with our second-round pick. PerfectCarl would have used it to draft MLB Darrin Smith.

Instead of Joe Montana (trade), some trade with the Oilers(?), and Will Shields, we would have drafted Joe Montana, MLB Darrin Smith (1993-1996), and Will Shields

RB: Kimble Anders
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Marcus Allen)
QB: Joe Montana
WR: Willie Davis
WR: J.J. Birden
TE: Jonathan Hayes
T: Alt
T: Ricky Siglar
G: Szott
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Lowery
P: Bryan Barker
FS: David Whitmore
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of Doug Terry)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of Kevin Ross)
CB: Albert Lewis
OLB: Tracy Rogers
OLB: Lonnie Marts
ILB: Darrin Smith (instead of Tracy Simien)
DE: Derrick Thomas
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Joe Phillips
DT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Washington at NT93, Donnally at G97, Dale Carter at CB, Kevin Ross at CB, Philippi Sparks at CB99, Aaron Pierce at TE97, Pleasant at DE95

As everyone knows, we won the division this year at 11-5, and beat Pittsburgh in a 1st round game. (We wouldn't have needed the famous 4th down pass to Barnett, I presume.) We then beat Houston in the second round, only to go down hard against Buffalo 30-13.

Perfect Carl would've had Emmitt Smith going as his only offensive change in this game, with Marcus Allen spelling him. The big changes would be on defense, where Darrin Smith, Carnell Lake, and Aeneas Williams would've played instead of Tracy Simien, Kevin Ross, and Doug Terry. (I think we were fraught with safety injuries this year.) Ross would have likely played FS instead of 49er trade guy David Whitmore.

No way Buffalo puts up 30 on that defense, with Carter at the nickel and Ross at the dime. No way. We still might have lost a close one, though, because Emmitt might not have outperformed Allen that much.

Ari Chi3fs
06-10-2006, 08:35 PM
Yes! I cant wait until you get to the 2007 draft, we can email it to Carl ahead of time!!

Geenyus!

Ari Chi3fs
06-10-2006, 08:36 PM
George Blowfish needs to steal this for his website. It would be a cool thing for a feature on the main website of Chiefsplanet.com but there is no such thing. Its still 2004 on CP main page.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:42 PM
1994

PerfectCarl goes a different route on offense. Instead of Greg Hill, who gets drafted elsewhere and gains 15,000 yards, Carl drafts Isaac Bruce, who would go on to become a KC icon. Instead of Donnell Bennett, Carl continues to dominate the defensive backfield, picking up an albino defensive back named Sehorn. Since the 3rd and early 4th round of the 1994 draft was vomit-inducing, he would still take Chris Penn and would pick up yet another corner in Corey Sawyer.

Instead of drafting Greg Hill, Donnell Bennett, Lake Dawson, and Chris Penn, we would have drafted WR Isaac Bruce (1994-), FS/CB Jason Sehorn (1994-2002), Chris Penn, and CB Corey Sawyer (1994-1998)

RB: Kimble Anders
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Marcus Allen)
QB: Joe Montana
WR: Willie Davis
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of J.J. Birden)
TE: Keith Cash
T: Alt
T: Ricky Siglar
G: Szott
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Lin Elliott
P: Bryan Barker
FS: Jason Sehorn (02 instead of William White)
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of David Whitmore)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of Mark Collins)
CB: Dale Carter
OLB: DT
OLB: George Jamison
ILB: Darrin Smith (96instead of Tracy Simien)
DE: Pleasant (instead of Darren Mickell)
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Joe Phillips
DT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Donnally at G97, Philippi Sparks at CB99, Aaron Pierce at TE97, Mark Collins at CB.

In real life, we had a disappointing fall, dropping to 9-7 but still sneaking into the playoffs behind San Diego at 11-5. We lost to Miami 27-17 and immediately went home.

In PerfectCarl World, Isaac Bruce would've made a world of difference, with Birden running in the slot. Wow. Not to mention Emmitt Smith on 1st and 2nd down, and Marcus Allen as the 3rd down back.

And on defense, the Chiefs would've fielded a defensive backfield of the ages: Sehorn at S (his drafted position), Lake, Williams, and Dale Carter, with Mark Collins and Sparks at nickel and dime. Darrin Smith would've been a terror in the middle behind massive DTs Phillips and Saleaumua, and Pleasant would have overachieved in Mickell's place.

This team would've won the division, and would've gone deep into the playoffs. I think they would've ended up in the Super Bowl.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:52 PM
1995

In real life, 1995 was Imperfect Carl's tribute to Jack Steadman: a stinker of a draft that still leaves residue at Arrowhead bathroom sinks today. Ironically, though, even PerfectCarl wouldn't have had a great draft, though he would've ruined a great fullback's career in the process.

Instead of drafting Trezelle Jenkins, Victor Bailey (I think – trade), and Troy Dumas, we would have drafted G Matt O’Dwyer (1994-1998), FB William Henderson (1995-?), and S Jerry Wilson (1995-2000)

RB: Kimble Anders
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Marcus Allen)
QB: Steve Bono
WR: Willie Davis
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Lake Dawson)
TE: Keith Cash
T: Alt
T: Ricky Siglar
G: Szott
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Lin Elliott
P: Louie Aguiar
FS: James Hasty (instead of Mark Collins)
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of David Whitmore)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of James Hasty)
CB: Dale Carter
OLB: DT
OLB: George Jamison
ILB: Darrin Smith (96instead of Tracy Simien)
DE: Pleasant (instead of Vaughn Booker)
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Joe Phillips
DT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Donnally at G97, Philippi Sparks at CB99, Aaron Pierce at TE97, Jason Sehorn at CB02, Mark Collins at CB, Henderson at FB06, Wilson at S00, O’Dwyer at G98

The real 1995 team rode its defense to a 13-3 record, while the offense sputtered under the inept guidance of Paul "Can't" Hackett. In one of the most infamous seasons in Chiefs history, we would go down 10-7 against a mediocre Indianapolis team.

The Perfect 1995 team would've still brought Bruce and Emmitt to the table instead of Lake Dawson and Marcus Allen. Could they overcome Hackett's ineptness? Not sure, but I'll bet that they could have produced more than 7 points against Indy.

But look at that defense. It would've been even better. In a controversial move, a free agent pickup named James Hasty would've taken the safety spot to move Sehorn to the nickel, with Collins still in the dime. We would've had fast LBs and a pretty good DL, though perhaps not a huge step up. That defense was pretty darn good to start with.

I'm not sure this team could have gone further with a few glaring weaknesses, but it would've been fun to see them try.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 08:58 PM
1996

In the real world, Carl stocked up on defense. In PerfectCarl World, he would have stocked up on better defense, though John Browning remains as the best third-round choice.

Instead of drafting Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue, and John Browning, we would have drafted DE Tony Brackens (1996-2003), Brian Dawkins (1996-2006), and John Browning.

RB: Kimble Anders
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Marcus Allen)
QB: Steve Bono
WR: Willie Davis
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Sean LaChapelle)
TE: Aaron Pierce (97instead of Derrick Walker)
T: Alt
T: Ricky Siglar
G: Szott
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Pete Stoyanovich
P: Louie Aguiar
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Mark Collins)
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of David Whitmore)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of James Hasty)
CB: Dale Carter
OLB: DT
OLB: George Jamison
ILB: Darrin Smith (96instead of Tracy Simien)
DE: Brackens (03instead of Booker)
DE: Neil Smith
DE: Joe Phillips
DT: Saleaumua

Quality Depth: Fontenot at C96, Donnally at G97, Philippi Sparks at CB99, Jason Sehorn at CB02, James Hasty at CB, Henderson at FB06, Wilson at S00, Mark Collins at S, O’Dwyer at G98

In the real world, the Chiefs took the year of 1996 off, finishing 9-7 and missing the playoffs behind the 13-3 Broncos. We were one win from a playoff spot.

On offense, PerfectCarl would still have had annoying problems at QB, TE, and RT, but the other skill positions were strong.

On defense, look at that backfield. Hasty at the nickel? Sehorn as the dime? Collins and Sparks playing special teams? No one would've passed on that backfield. For some reason, Jamison is still on the field at LB, but our D-line would've been crushing, not to mention that linebacker coming in on the pass rush.

This is a season where PerfectCarl World would have been massively different than the Real World. We might not have caught the Broncos for the division, but we would've been a powerhouse.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 09:07 PM
1997

After playing musical tight ends for years, RealWorld Carl made a bold move, trading up to get a California basketball player named Tony Gonzalez. The rest is history. In this case, Imperfect Carl was actually Perfect Carl.

The only change in this draft would've had big implications. Imagine passing on Kevin Locket to fix the right tackle position with Adam Meadows. It would've been huge.

Instead of Tony Gonzalez and Kevin Lockett, and a tradeup for Tony G., we would have drafted Tony Gonzalez, T Adam Meadows (1997-2003), and a tradeup for Tony G.

RB: Kimble Anders
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Greg Hill)
QB: Elvis Grbac
WR: Andre Rison
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Lake Dawson)
TE: Ted Popson (Wha-? Gonzalez didn’t start?)
T: Jeff Criswell
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of Glenn Parker)
G: Szott
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Pete Stoyanovich
P: Louie Aguiar
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Jerome Woods)
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of Reggie Tongue)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of James Hasty)
CB: Dale Carter
OLB: DT
OLB: Anthony Davis
ILB: Terry Wooden
ILB: Donnie Edwards
DE: Brackens (03instead of Booker)
DE: John Browning
NT: Joe Phillips

Quality Depth: Donnally at G97, Philippi Sparks at CB99, Jason Sehorn at CB02, James Hasty at CB, Henderson at FB06, Wilson at S00, O’Dwyer at G98

In real life, this team went 13-3 and won the division, only to lose to the cheating Broncos 14-10 in the great vegetable spray scandal of 1997.

In PerfectCarl world, this team would've been an offensive juggernaut regardless of the mental slowness of the offensive coaching staff. With Popson splitting time with Gonzalez, there would've been no offensive weaknesses other than perhaps left tackle and a QB who was sometimes a little slow. This team would've run roughshod over the competition.

On defense, we would've lost a lot of ground as the defensive line shifted badly. We would've still had a backfield of legend, but I think we would've been run on a lot. Still would've been a good defense, though.

Would we have gotten past Denver? No doubt about it. That offense would've put up 30. This would've been a potential Super Bowl team with a completely different personality than the real team had.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 09:13 PM
1998

Holy Schamoley. This would've changed our destiny.

Instead of Victor Riley, some trade with somebody, and Rashan Shehee, we would have drafted WR Jerome Pathon (1998-2001), C Olin Kreutz (1998-), and, in the third round, a strong-blocking WR named Hines Ward (1998-)

RB: Kimble Anders
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Donnell Bennett)
QB: Elvis Grbac
WR: Andre Rison
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Derrick Alexander)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Jeff Criswell
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of Victor Riley)
G: Glenn Parker
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Pete Stoyanovich
P: Louie Aguiar
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Jerome Woods)
SS: Carnell Lake (98instead of Reggie Tongue)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of James Hasty)
CB: Dale Carter
OLB: DT
OLB: Anthony Davis
ILB: Wayne Simmons
ILB: Donnie Edwards
DE: Chester McGlockton
DE: John Browning
NT: Tom Barndt

Quality Depth: Philippi Sparks at CB99, Jason Sehorn at CB02, James Hasty at CB, Henderson at FB06, Wilson at S00, O’Dwyer at G98, Brackens at DE03, Derrick Alexander at WR, Hines Ward at WR06, Olin Kreutz at C06, and Pathon at WR01

In Marty's last gasp, we went 7-9 behind the power running of Donnell Bennett. In PerfectCarl World, we would've been running with Emmitt Smith, and we would've had four legitimate, dangerous wide receivers as we began working Hines Ward into the offense. The offense would've been pretty darn good.

Defensively, the only change from the real world would've been massive upgrades in the defensive backfield, as most of our alternate world guys wouldn't have started or would've left.

This would've been an offensively led team. We would've won a few more games, but we wouldn't have won the division against the Broncos and their non-salary cap at 14-2.

FAX
06-10-2006, 09:18 PM
Get us a QB, Mr. Rain Man.

FAX

JBucc
06-10-2006, 09:20 PM
Get us a QB, Mr. Rain Man.

FAXThat's what I was thinking. I don't recall any good QB's coming out in 99 though. Looks like we may have to wait.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 09:22 PM
1999

This would've been a strange year. In Gunther's first season, Carl would've eschewed a crying need at offensive tackle and would've gone with speed, speed, speed on defense, picking up a fast DE and an even faster MLB. He also would've said it was time to get a good kicker.

Instead of John Tait, Mike Cloud, Gary Stills, and Larry Atkins, we would have drafted Jevon Kearse (1999-2003), G Randy Thomas (1999-2002), K Martin Gramatica (1999-2003), and ILB Dat Nguyen (1999-).

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Bam Morris)
QB: Elvis Grbac
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Andre Rison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Derrick Alexander)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Glenn Parker
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of Victor Riley)
G: Szott
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Martin Gramatica (instead of Pete Stoyanovich)
P: Danny Pope
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Jerome Woods)
SS: Jerry Wilson (00instead of Reggie Tongue)
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of Chris Dishman)
CB: James Hasty
OLB: DT
OLB: Donnie Edwards
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Marvcus Patton)
DE: Tony Brackens (03instead of Leslie O’Neal)
DE: Jevon Kearse (03instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: Chester McGlockton
DT: Tom Barndt

Quality Depth: Philippi Sparks at CB99, Jason Sehorn at CB02, Henderson at FB06, Leslie O’Neal at DE, Derrick Alexander at WR, Andre Rison at WR, Olin Kreutz at C06, and Pathon at WR01, Marvcus Patton at MLB

In the real world, the 1999 Chiefs went 9-7, losing a tiebreaker for the division with the Seattle Seahawks and missing the playoffs after losing in overtime to the Raiders in the final week of the season. (Remember Jon Baker?)

Oh, lordy. Gramatica kicking off instead of Baker. What a difference.

Gunther would've had to choose between two good backup fullbacks to take Anders' spot on offense, and we'll go with Richardson even though I bet he would've picked Henderson. He would've inherited an offensive powerhouse with stars at every position other than LT. This team would've been stacked on offense.

On defense, the cracks would have shown just like they did in the real world, but Derrick Thomas would've found a replacement for Neil Smith in the Freak, and the defense would've been star-studded.

This might have been the best Chiefs team since 1969. They would have gone deep in the playoffs, and possibly won it all.

Basileus777
06-10-2006, 09:24 PM
So this is a "What if Carl got ahold of Biff's Sports Alomanac from 2015" scenerio?

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 09:32 PM
2000

After winning a Super Bowl in Gunther's first year, Carl would've ignored the gaping hole at LT, and concentrated in building the defense back up. It would've worked.

Instead of Sylvester Morris, William Bartee, and Greg Wesley, we would have drafted LB Keith Bulluck (2000-), LB Marcus Washington (2000-), and Greg Wesley

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Emmitt Smith (00instead of Kimble Anders)
QB: Elvis Grbac
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Sylvester Morris)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Derrick Alexander)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Darnell Alford (01instead of John Tait)
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of Victor Riley)
G: Jeff Blackshear
G: Shields
C: Grunhard
K: Martin Gramatica (instead of Todd Peterson)
P: Todd Sauerbrun
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Jerome Woods)
SS: Greg Wesley
CB: Aeneas Williams (00instead of Pat Dennis)
CB: James Hasty
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Lew Bush)
OLB: Donnie Edwards
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Marvcus Patton)
DE: Tony Brackens (03instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Jevon Kearse (03instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: Chester McGlockton
DT: Dan Williams

Quality Depth: Jason Sehorn at CB02, Henderson at FB06, Derrick Alexander at WR, Olin Kreutz at C06, and Pathon at WR01, Marvcus Patton at MLB, Marcus Washington at LB06

In real life, this team went 7-9 as the team gave up under Gunther, dropping six of the final eight games and tanking the final game against Atlanta badly. We gave San Diego their only win of the season in a highly embarrassing game. The Raiders and Broncos went 12-4 and 11-5, so we were way out of the money.

In PerfectCarl World, it would have been different, but how different?

On offense, Grbac would've been killed midseason since Darnell Alford was not designed to play left tackle. He would've been replaced by Warren Moon, who would've also been killed. Blackshear wouldn't have been fast enough to help out, and the offense would have imploded because of one huge weakness.

On defense, no one could tell the linebackers from the defensive backs, as oversized badass CBs and Ss would have prowled the land, and undersized, quick LBs would have run with them stride for stride as the post-DT era began. Would we have had the bulk up front to stop the run? Not sure.

I don't think this team would have made up the gap to win the division, and they would've needed at least three more wins to even make the playoffs. We were simply doomed this year.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 09:42 PM
2001

With his quarterbacks in tatters and his team in disarray, Carl would have traded his 2nd round pick for friend Dick Vermeil, and Vermeil would've picked up his QB in a trade with the Rams. However, Carl thought that Alford could get the job done.

Instead of Trent Green (trade), Dick Vermeil (trade), Eric Downing, and Snoop Minnis, we would have drafted Trent Green, Dick Vermeil (presume that that trade was inevitable), CB Will Peterson (2001-), and FS Dwight Smith (2001-2005)

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Priest Holmes
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Snoop Minnis)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Derrick Alexander)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Darnell Alford (01instead of John Tait)
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of Marcus Spears)
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: Casey Wiegman
K: Martin Gramatica (instead of Todd Peterson)
P: Dan Stryzinski
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Jerome Woods)
SS: Greg Wesley
CB: Jason Sehorn (02instead of Ray Crockett)
CB: Eric Warfield
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Lew Bush)
OLB: Donnie Edwards
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Marvcus Patton)
DE: Tony Brackens (03instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Jevon Kearse (03instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Derrick Ransom

Quality Depth: Henderson at FB06, Derrick Alexander at WR, Olin Kreutz at C06, and Pathon at WR01, Marvcus Patton at MLB, Marcus Washington at LB06, FS Dwight Smith at FS05, and Will Peterson at CB06

In real life, this team had growing pains, finishing 6-10 as Trent Green tried to work with underachieving receivers and the defense collapsed. We ended up in fourth place, three games out of even a chance for a wild card spot.

In PerfectCarl World, the scenario would've been quite different. With Emmitt Smith's departure, the Chiefs would fortuitously pick up Priest Holmes. And instead of Chris Thomas and Snoop Minnis most of the season, Trent would've been working with wily veteran Isaac Bruce and young star Hines Ward. Am I salivating?

The only problem? Trent would be getting killed by onrushing defensive ends. Tony G. and Tony R. would have to be his personal protectors, stifling the offense. Nonetheless, they would still be humming as long as Trent stayed upright.

On defense, Dick would've arrived just as the legendary defensive backfield crumbled. He would've promoted longtime backup Jason Sehorn to a starting role, along with a young Eric Warfield. He would've had little talent at DT, and a lot of speed at LB, with a pretty decent corps. And of course, a couple of good DEs.

This would've been a team of fits and starts, drives that were works of art and ugly sacks, defensive gems and getting the ball run down our throats. I don't think we would've made the playoffs, but there would be a lot of hope for next year.

StcChief
06-10-2006, 09:56 PM
Sounds great in the PerfectCarl world....
But with the our team improving every year.....Finishing better.
Would these perfectCarl world draft picks needed fallen to KC......

We could have only dreamed, enjoyable and will look good in the Carl 15+ years of ineptness strewn throughout our drafts. A good one Gonzo,LJ here and there.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 09:56 PM
2002

PerfectCarl would have said, "Dick, I know John Bunting is a friend of yours, but we're not drafting Sims. I like that Dwight Freeney kid instead. Oh, and how about that big center, too?"

Instead of Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, and a trade up for Ryan Sims, we would have drafted Dwight Freeney, C LeCharles Bentley (2002-2005), and QB Josh McCown (2002-2005)

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Priest Holmes
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Johnnie Morton)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of John Tait)
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: LeCharles Bentley (instead of Casey Wiegman)
K: Martin Gramatica (instead of Morten Andersen)
P: Dan Stryzinski
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Shaunard Harts)
SS: Greg Wesley
CB: Jason Sehorn (02instead of William Bartee)
CB: Eric Warfield
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Scott Fujita)
OLB: Mike Maslowski
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Marvcus Patton)
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Jevon Kearse (03instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Derrick Ransom

Quality Depth: Henderson at FB06, Olin Kreutz at C06, Marvcus Patton at MLB, Marcus Washington at LB06, FS Dwight Smith at FS05, Will Peterson at CB06, Morton at WR, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C

In real life, this team went 8-8 and missed the playoffs, actually finishing in last place in a strong division, yet only 1 game out of the playoff tiebreakers. Only one other team came within 50 points of the Chiefs on offense, but the defense was 28th in points allowed as the shadow of Greg Robinson fell across the land.

In PerfectCarl world, this offense would have been mythical if we hadn't seen it with our own eyes. This team could have placed 11 offensive starters in the pro bowl. Willie Roaf would have been the final piece of the puzzle. No team would have been within 150 points of this Chiefs offense. It would have brought tears to our eyes.

This defense could have worked, too, primarily because of the offense. Against that offense, every other team would have been playing catch up. While the defense had great, huge weaknesses, they would've been saved by a pass rush that was positively ferocious. Kearse and Freeney both coming in, when you're playing catch up to start with? Dawkins would've had 15 interceptions.

The defense would've kept this team from going undefeated, but they would've hit the playoffs and they would've quite possibly made the Super Bowl in an otherwise off year (Tampa Bay won that year.)

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 10:06 PM
2003

Dick would have been crying for defensive help, but we know how this one would go: Larry Johnson all the way. Not only that, but Carl would've rubbed Dick's nose in it by also taking Domanick Davis in the third. Passing on Kawika, he would've inexplicably gone for a DE in a move that would've been unpopular on Chiefsplanet.

Instead of Larry Johnson, Kawika Mitchell, and Julian Battle, we would have drafted Larry Johnson, Osi Umenyiora, and Domanick Davis

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Priest Holmes
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Johnnie Morton)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: Adam Meadows (03instead of John Tait)
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: LeCharles Bentley (instead of Casey Wiegman)
K: Martin Gramatica (instead of Morten Andersen)
P: Jason Baker
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Shaunard Harts)
SS: Greg Wesley
CB: Dexter McCleon
CB: Eric Warfield
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Scott Fujita)
OLB: Shawn Barber
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Mike Maslowski)
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Jevon Kearse (03instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Tank Reese (instead of Ryan Sims)

Quality Depth: Henderson at FB06, Olin Kreutz at C06, Marcus Washington at LB06, FS Dwight Smith at FS05, Will Peterson at CB06, Morton at WR, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C, Larry Johnson at RB, Domanick Davis at RB, Osi Umenyiora at DE

In Real Life 2003, this team went 13-3 and then couldn't force a punt in the playoffs.

In PerfectCarl world, most defenses would've left the field in tears as this offense scored every time it touched the ball. There would've been no weaknesses on this offense, none at all. They would've been revered as gods in the South Pacific.

The defense, however, would've been another story. Having passed on Sims, Downing, and Freeman in the past, we would've been using Tank Reese at DT alongside Browning, with Nguyen at MLB. We would score in 2 minutes, and then the other team would score in 13 by running up the middle. Even an awe-inspiring pass rush wouldn't have fixed that.

That said, I think we would've slid by Indy in the playoffs just because we would've been scoring faster. New England would've been a test. We would've at least been in the AFC championship game, and hopefully our three-headed pass rush monster would've put Brady on his back.

sedated
06-10-2006, 10:10 PM
you need a hobby, rain man...or a woman

FAX
06-10-2006, 10:12 PM
you need a hobby, rain man...or a woman

I'm certain that Mr. Rain Man could benefit from a hobby as you suggest, Mr. sedated. But, please don't discourage him.

He's on a roll and this is a very interesting (though highly depressing) excercise.

FAX

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 10:13 PM
2004

Tell me you wouldn't have preferred this draft.

Instead of Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, and Keyaron Fox, we would have drafted S Bob Sanders, K Nate Kaeding, and LB Reggie Torbor

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Priest Holmes
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Samie Parker)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: Jordan Black
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: LeCharles Bentley (instead of Casey Wiegman)
K: Nate Kaeding (instead of Lawrence Tynes)
P: The cast of Friends
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Jerome Woods)
SS: Greg Wesley
CB: Dexter McCleon
CB: Eric Warfield
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Scott Fujita)
OLB: Shawn Barber
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Kawika Mitchell)
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Jared Allen)
DE: Jared Allen (instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Lional Dalton

Quality Depth: Henderson at FB06, Olin Kreutz at C06, Marcus Washington at LB06, FS Dwight Smith at FS05, Will Peterson at CB06, Morton at WR, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C, Larry Johnson at RB, Domanick Davis at RB, Bob Sanders at S, Reggie Torbor at LB, Osi Umenyiora at DE

In real life, this team collapsed, finishing 7-9 and three games out of a wild card spot.

The PerfectCarl World team would have made that up, since Gunther would've had some talent to work with. The offense would've been hurt by Meadows' departure at tackle, but still would've been overwhelmingly dominant. On defense, Dalton would help out in the middle, and Kearse would've been replaced by a young low-round pick named Jared Allen. The secondary is shaky, but the linebackers are decent, and the pass rush is still strong.

Probably not a Super Bowl team in the middle of the Patriots' run, but this team would've been strong in the playoffs.

jlscorpio
06-10-2006, 10:13 PM
holy shit, this is getting depressing...

Rausch
06-10-2006, 10:13 PM
you need a hobby, rain man...or a woman

He has both.

And money.

Sanity though...

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 10:22 PM
2005

We need help on defense, and Carl is there to provide it. It appears that Imperfect Carl actually would have been perfect Carl in this draft. It'd still be nice to get a defensive tackle, though.

Instead of Derrick Johnson, Patrick Surtain (trade), and Dustin Colquitt, we would have drafted Derrick Johnson, Patrick Surtain (trade), and Dustin Colquitt (though Kyle Orton would be tempting).

RB: Tony Richardson
RB: Larry Johnson
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Samie Parker)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: John Welbourne
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: LeCharles Bentley (instead of Casey Wiegman)
K: Nate Kaeding (instead of Lawrence Tynes)
P: Dustin Colquitt (or Kyle Orton)
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Greg Wesley)
SS: Sammy Knight
CB: Patrick Surtain
CB: Eric Warfield
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Kendrell Bell)
OLB: Derrick Johnson
ILB: Dat Nguyen (06instead of Kawika Mitchell)
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Vonnie Holliday)
DE: Osi Umenyiora (instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Lional Dalton

Quality Depth: Henderson at FB06, Olin Kreutz at C06, Marcus Washington at LB06, FS Dwight Smith at FS05, Will Peterson at CB06, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C, Priest Holmes at RB, Domanick Davis at RB, Bob Sanders at S, Reggie Torbor at LB, Dat Nguyen at MLB, Jared Allen at DE

In real life, this team went 10-6, and didn't make the playoffs, as the defense improved to "well below average" and the offense remained higly potent.

In PerfectCarl world, the offense would rev back up as LJ replaced Priest, and John Welbourne stepped in at right tackle. We would have spent two high picks on kicking specialists, and other than gaping holes at defensive tackle, we would suddenly find ourselves with a star-studded defense, including an outright controversy at DE between Freeney, Umenyiora, and Allen. How would you pick between those three?

This team would have gone far in the playoffs. Given the competition in 2005, we could easily have been drinking from the Lombardi Cup in 2005 if Carl was perfect on Day One.

StcChief
06-10-2006, 10:28 PM
Send this to Gblowfish....and on to Lamar Hunt.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 10:29 PM
2006

Dammit, Carl! :banghead: Would you get us a freakin' defensive tackle?!?!

Drafted Tamba Hali, Bernard Pollard, and Brodie Croyle

RB: William Henderson
RB: Larry Johnson
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Samie Parker)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: John Welbourne
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: Casey Wiegman
K: Nate Kaeding (instead of Lawrence Tynes)
P: Dustin Colquitt (or Kyle Orton)
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Greg Wesley)
SS: Bob Sanders (instead of Sammy Knight)
CB: Patrick Surtain
CB: Lenny Walls
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Kendrell Bell)
OLB: Derrick Johnson
ILB: Kawika Mitchell
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Osi Umenyiora (instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Lional Dalton

Quality Depth: Olin Kreutz at C06, Marcus Washington at LB06, Will Peterson at CB06, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C, Priest Holmes at RB, Domanick Davis at RB, Sammy Knight at S, Reggie Torbor at LB, Dat Nguyen at MLB, Jared Allen at DE

As we head into the 2006 season, we would be inserting an unproven veteran fullback named William Henderson into the lineup, who looks to be a perfect lead blocker for Larry Johnson. We would be complaining about getting old at WR and TE, but what gems we would have. Our line would look good, but with the loss of LeCharles Bentley, we would be promoting longtime backup Casey Wiegman to the starting lineup. (Either him or Olin Kreutz.)

On defense, we would be wondering what happened at CB since we're lining up Lenny Walls, and we'd be hoping that our ferocious pass rush would protect him. We'd like our linebacker situation - young, fast, and aggressive. On the d-line, there would be huge controversy over picking Hali when we've already got Freeney, Umenyiora, and Allen...and still no tackles. All in all, this would be a solid team, but with a couple of glaring weaknesses and a few question marks on offense that would be proven to be good decisions.

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 10:31 PM
And that concludes our night of Rain Man Theater (bowing deeply). I hope you enjoyed it, and please consider attending our next show already in production, titled, "What Would Happen if the Broncos Cut All Their Cheaters?"

Basileus777
06-10-2006, 10:33 PM
2006

Dammit, Carl! :banghead: Would you get us a freakin' defensive tackle?!?!

Drafted Tamba Hali, Bernard Pollard, and Brodie Croyle

RB: William Henderson
RB: Larry Johnson
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Samie Parker)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: John Welbourne
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: Casey Wiegman
K: Nate Kaeding (instead of Lawrence Tynes)
P: Dustin Colquitt (or Kyle Orton)
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Greg Wesley)
SS: Bob Sanders
CB: Patrick Surtain
CB: Lenny Walls
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Kendrell Bell)
OLB: Derrick Johnson
ILB: Kawika Mitchell
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Osi Umenyiora (instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Lional Dalton

Quality Depth: Olin Kreutz at C06, Marcus Washington at LB06, Will Peterson at CB06, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C, Priest Holmes at RB, Domanick Davis at RB, Sammy Knight at S, Reggie Torbor at LB, Dat Nguyen at MLB, Jared Allen at DE

As we head into the 2006 season, we would be inserting an unproven veteran fullback named William Henderson into the lineup, who looks to be a perfect lead blocker for Larry Johnson. We would be complaining about getting old at WR and TE, but what gems we would have. Our line would look good, but with the loss of LeCharles Bentley, we would be promoting longtime backup Casey Wiegman to the starting lineup. (Either him or Olin Kreutz.)

On defense, we would be wondering what happened at CB since we're lining up Lenny Walls, and we'd be hoping that our ferocious pass rush would protect him. We'd like our linebacker situation - young, fast, and aggressive. On the d-line, there would be huge controversy over picking Hali when we've already got Freeney, Umenyiora, and Allen...and still no tackles. All in all, this would be a solid team, but with a couple of glaring weaknesses and a few question marks on offense that would be proven to be good decisions.

How is Kawika on the team now? Didn't Carl take Osi instead of him?

Rain Man
06-10-2006, 10:35 PM
How is Kawika on the team now? Didn't Carl take Osi instead of him?

Arrgh. Good point.

2006

Dammit, Carl! Would you get us a freakin' defensive tackle?!?!

Drafted Tamba Hali, Bernard Pollard, and Brodie Croyle

RB: William Henderson
RB: Larry Johnson
QB: Trent Green
WR: Hines Ward (06 instead of Eddie Kennison)
WR: Isaac Bruce (06instead of Samie Parker)
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Willie Roaf
T: John Welbourne
G: Brian Waters
G: Shields
C: Casey Wiegman
K: Nate Kaeding (instead of Lawrence Tynes)
P: Dustin Colquitt (or Kyle Orton)
FS: Brian Dawkins (06instead of Greg Wesley)
SS: Bob Sanders (instead of Sammy Knight)
CB: Patrick Surtain
CB: Lenny Walls
OLB: Keith Bulluck (06instead of Kendrell Bell)
OLB: Derrick Johnson
ILB: Dat Nguyen (instead of Kawika Mitchell)
DE: Dwight Freeney (06instead of Duane Clemons)
DE: Osi Umenyiora (instead of Eric Hicks)
DT: John Browning
DT: Lional Dalton

Quality Depth: Olin Kreutz at C06, Marcus Washington at LB06, Will Peterson at CB06, Kennison at WR, Wiegman at C, Priest Holmes at RB, Domanick Davis at RB, Sammy Knight at S, Reggie Torbor at LB, Dat Nguyen at MLB, Jared Allen at DE

As we head into the 2006 season, we would be inserting an unproven veteran fullback named William Henderson into the lineup, who looks to be a perfect lead blocker for Larry Johnson. We would be complaining about getting old at WR and TE, but what gems we would have. Our line would look good, but with the loss of LeCharles Bentley, we would be promoting longtime backup Casey Wiegman to the starting lineup. (Either him or Olin Kreutz.)

On defense, we would be wondering what happened at CB since we're lining up Lenny Walls, and we'd be hoping that our ferocious pass rush would protect him. We'd like our linebacker situation - fast, and aggressive with a mix of young and veteran. On the d-line, there would be huge controversy over picking Hali when we've already got Freeney, Umenyiora, and Allen...and still no tackles. All in all, this would be a solid team, but with a couple of glaring weaknesses and a few question marks on offense that would be proven to be good

cdcox
06-11-2006, 12:56 AM
I am in awe of your analysis. Great thread.

I see several SB teams here. We would have dominated.

Dinny Blues
06-11-2006, 01:46 AM
There are a couple of things jumping right out at me.

How much time did you put into this? If it wasn't alot, that's just totally unfair.

What's up with that gods in the south pacific thing?

This rates a solid "incredibly" on the groovy scale.

Dinny

Moooo
06-11-2006, 02:14 AM
This depressingly shows me how good we got it. I look at the possible team, and with the exception of a few (huge, albeit) names, I see a team taht isn't a living pro-bowl team or anything like that.

I personally don't know what the point of these posts are, but it just helped me see how good we got it. I was expecting greatness, but for the most part I see with the exception of about 3-4 names throughout the whole course of almost 20 years, Carl has given us the best outcome.

How depressing.

Moooo

Count Zarth
06-11-2006, 05:47 AM
This just shows how hard it is to draft DTs.

cdcox
06-11-2006, 07:35 AM
By my count, Carl got 16 of the 55 choices right. If it were blind luck we'd expect him to get 5.5 choices (athough trades kind of screw up the math).

Assuming a binomial distribution, the expected standard deviation for random selections is 2.2.

Carl's performance is 4.7 standard deviations above the mean, so we can conclude he is smarter than a blind monkey.

I may try to do some additional statistics on this later.

milkman
06-11-2006, 07:43 AM
In '02, why would you have drafted Freeny instead of John Henderson?

Count Zarth
06-11-2006, 07:47 AM
In '02, why would you have drafted Freeny instead of John Henderson?

Dammit, Kevin! :cuss:

StcChief
06-11-2006, 08:33 AM
And that concludes our night of Rain Man Theater (bowing deeply). I hope you enjoyed it, and please consider attending our next show already in production, titled, "What Would Happen if the Broncos Cut All Their Cheaters?"

Excellent work as always Rain Man.

When your done send to the Orange Mange ....for instant banage.
ROFL

KChiefs1
06-11-2006, 09:40 AM
Interesting but it's not realistic. You've entirely forgotten about rounds 4-7 & that's where CP does his best work.

Rain Man
06-11-2006, 09:53 AM
In '02, why would you have drafted Freeny instead of John Henderson?

That was a huge debate in the PerfectCarl war room. However, at the time of the draft, PerfectCarl knew that both Kearse and Brackens would probably leave as free agents, and he wanted to keep that famous pass rush going. Not even PerfectCarl could have predicted that Umenyiora and Allen would fall into his lap within the next couple of seasons.

That, and I was trying to remain true to the original plan, which was to pick the player that had the best pro career. While Henderson has certainly been successful, Freeney has probably received more acclaim.

Rain Man
06-11-2006, 09:55 AM
There are a couple of things jumping right out at me.

How much time did you put into this? If it wasn't alot, that's just totally unfair.


It started as a little, "Hey, this would be a neat thread" thing, and then it kept getting more and more involved, and I got more and more engrossed in it. I ended up spending about eight or nine hours on it, when I should've been working.

Rain Man
06-11-2006, 09:58 AM
I may try to do some additional statistics on this later.


That'd be cool. I'm still sorting out my conclusions on this, but one thing I am concluding is that, even though we complain about his drafting, he's found a fair amount of wheat amidst the chaff. Tehre are a lot of 2nd and 3rd round picks that do absolutely nothing in this league.

Of course, that then begs the question of, if his drafting is good, why hasn't he won a Super Bowl in 16 years, when mathematically it seems like an above-average GM would've done so.

Rain Man
06-11-2006, 10:00 AM
I am in awe of your analysis. Great thread.

I see several SB teams here. We would have dominated.


Looking back, I think that PerfectCarl teams would have been at or near a Super Bowl level in 1994, 1997, 1999, and 2002. The more shocking thing to me is that, even if Carl was perfect, that's only four years out of 16. Is Belichick better than perfect, or is there another element to the equation?

Gaz
06-11-2006, 10:09 AM
I enjoy a good “What If” and this is a very good one.

Thanks.

xoxo~
Gaz
Awash in the possibilities.

milkman
06-11-2006, 10:16 AM
That was a huge debate in the PerfectCarl war room. However, at the time of the draft, PerfectCarl knew that both Kearse and Brackens would probably leave as free agents, and he wanted to keep that famous pass rush going. Not even PerfectCarl could have predicted that Umenyiora and Allen would fall into his lap within the next couple of seasons.

That, and I was trying to remain true to the original plan, which was to pick the player that had the best pro career. While Henderson has certainly been successful, Freeney has probably received more acclaim.

The question to me isn't acclaim, it's who is the player that makes the bigger difference.

The Colts D was still pretty bad with Freeny before last season, while Henderson's absence from the Pats D while injured had a rather large negative impact on their perfformance.

milkman
06-11-2006, 10:18 AM
Looking back, I think that PerfectCarl teams would have been at or near a Super Bowl level in 1994, 1997, 1999, and 2002. The more shocking thing to me is that, even if Carl was perfect, that's only four years out of 16. Is Belichick better than perfect, or is there another element to the equation?

The difference is coaching, not only Belichick, but his staff as well.

Rain Man
06-11-2006, 10:20 AM
The question to me isn't acclaim, it's who is the player that makes the bigger difference.

The Colts D was still pretty bad with Freeny before last season, while Henderson's absence from the Pats D while injured had a rather large negative impact on their perfformance.

Are you thinking of John Henderson or Richard Seymour? PerfectCarl never had the chance to take Seymour.

Count Zarth
06-11-2006, 10:21 AM
The question to me isn't acclaim, it's who is the player that makes the bigger difference.

The Colts D was still pretty bad with Freeny before last season, while Henderson's absence from the Pats D while injured had a rather large negative impact on their perfformance.

You're thinking of Richard Seymour, but John Henderson is important in Jacksonville's defense, too.

milkman
06-11-2006, 10:22 AM
You're thinking of Richard Seymour, but John Henderson is important in Jacksonville's defense, too.

You're right.

I got sidetracked by the Belichick reference and forgot who I was talking about.

Chief Chief
06-11-2006, 10:23 AM
May I remind all posters that pigs have yet to fly???

milkman
06-11-2006, 10:27 AM
May I remind all posters that pigs have yet to fly???

Are you saying that........No....No.....This is the kinder, gentler me.
I'm not going to ask if she's ever been on a plane.




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NJ Chief Fan
06-11-2006, 12:42 PM
:spock:

Dammit, Carl! :cuss: