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Rain Man
06-13-2006, 11:58 PM
I've painfully put together a spreadsheet of Chiefs pro bowl appearances, and I will share the highlights of that data in this thread over time. This data covers appearances only, and I don't gather statistics about what happened in the games.

If you have any special requests, let me know. Otherwise, I'll just cruise through various interesting factoids.

Disclaimer: There is conflicting information on some sources, particularly during the earlier years. If sources disagree, I use a liberal definition and assume that if any source says that a guy was in the Pro Bowl, then he was in. This also extends to the modern era, where, for example, some sources say that Trent Green was not a pro bowler in 2005 since he was an injury replacement. In that case, I still include him.

Okay, Factoid #1. Here are the number of players appearing in a Pro Bowl or AFL all-star game in every year of the Chiefs' existence. I also include the number of teams that comprised the talent pool each year, from which the teams were selected.

The most Chiefs ever to appear in an all-star game was 13, in 1964. The fewest was 0, in 1977 and 1978. When we placed 9 in 2003, that was the largest number in 32 years, so I hope you enjoyed it.

4 1960 - 4 teams

10 1961 - 4 teams

12 1962 - 4 teams

8 1963 - 4 teams

13 1964 - 4 teams

9 1965 - 7 teams (minus Buf, champ)

12 1966 - 4 teams

9 1967 - 4 teams

11 1968 - 5 teams

11 1969 - 5 teams

11 1970 - 13 teams

11 1971 - 13 teams

5 1972 - 13 teams

2 1973 - 13 teams

3 1974 - 13 teams

3 1975 - 13 teams

1 1976 - 14 teams

0 1977 - 14 teams

0 1978 - 14 teams

1 1979 - 14 teams

3 1980 - 14 teams

5 1981 - 14 teams

3 1982 - 14 teams

4 1983 - 14 teams

2 1984 - 14 teams

1 1985 - 14 teams

3 1986 - 14 teams

4 1987 - 14 teams

3 1988 - 14 teams

4 1989 - 14 teams

4 1990 - 14 teams

3 1991 - 14 teams

3 1992 - 14 teams

5 1993 - 14 teams

2 1994 - 14 teams

7 1995 - 15 teams

4 1996 - 15 teams

6 1997 - 15 teams

1 1998 - 15

4 1999 - 16 teams

3 2000 - 16 teams

3 2001 - 16 teams

5 2002 - 16 teams

9 2003 - 16 teams

5 2004 - 16 teams

6 2005 - 16 teams

Simplex3
06-14-2006, 12:13 AM
I want to know about their next SUPER Bowl appearance.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 12:37 AM
Factoid #2: The quarterback position

Number of Chiefs QBs selected: 8
Total Chiefs QB appearances: 15
Longest unbroken run: 5 appearances in 4 years, 1966-1969, with appearances by Len Dawson each year, and a rare double, with Dawson and Mike Livingston both being selected in 1969.
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 11 years, from 1972 through 1982. (Dawson 1971, Kenney 1983)
Most appearances: Dawson with 7. Only Trent Green (2) and Dawson have made more than one appearance.

QBs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Cotton Davidson (1961)
Len Dawson (1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971)
Mike Livingston (1969)
Bill Kenney (1983)
Joe Montana (1993)
Steve Bono (1995)
Elvis Grbac (2000)
Trent Green (2003, 2005)

greg63
06-14-2006, 12:38 AM
I want to know about their next SUPER Bowl appearance.

Ditto.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 10:20 AM
Factoid #2: The running back position

Number of Chiefs RBs selected: 12
Total Chiefs RB appearances: 24
Longest unbroken run: 6 appearances in 5 years, 2001-2005 (streak still active), with 3 appearances by Priest Holmes, 2 by Tony Richardson, and 1 by Larry Johnson
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 11 years, from 1970 through 1980. (Robert Holmes 1969, Joe Delaney 1981)
Most appearances: Abner Haynes with 4. Haynes, Mike Garrett, Curtis McClinton, Christian Okoye, Kimble Anders, Priest Holmes, and Tony Richardson have made more than one appearance.

RBs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Abner Haynes (1960, 1961, 1962, and 1964)
Curtis McClinton (1962, 1966, 1967)
Mack Lee Hill (1964)
Mike Garrett (1966, 1967)
Robert Holmes (1969)
Joe Delaney (1981)
Christian Okoye (1989, 1991)
Marcus Allen (1993)
Kimble Anders (1995, 1996, 1997)
Priest Holmes (2001, 2002, 2003)
Tony Richardson (2003, 2004)
Larry Johnson (2005)

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 10:28 PM
So far, it appears that no one wants to know much about Pro Bowls.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 10:29 PM
Factoid #3: The wide receiver position

Number of Chiefs WRs selected: 7
Total Chiefs WR appearances: 12
Longest unbroken run: 3 appearances in 3 years, 1970-1972, all by Otis Taylor
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 11 years, from 1970 through 1980. (Robert Holmes 1969, Joe Delaney 1981)
Most appearances: Otis Taylor with 4. Taylor, Carlos Carson, and Dante Hall (nominally a wide receiver) are the only Chiefs with multiple appearances.

WRs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Chris Burford (1961)
Frank Jackson (1965)
Otis Taylor (1966, 1970, 1971, 1972)
J.T. Smith (1980)
Carlos Carson (1983, 1987)
Andre Rison (1997)
Dante Hall (2002, 2003)

Is it any wonder why we all idolize Otis Taylor?

BucEyedPea
06-14-2006, 10:32 PM
ProBowl's are snoozers! :ZZZ:

Monkeylook4food
06-14-2006, 10:33 PM
So far, it appears that no one wants to know much about Pro Bowls.

I already knew all that.

Monkeylook4food
06-14-2006, 10:35 PM
Is it any wonder why we all idolize Otis Taylor?

I have no idea why DA, EK, and AR didn't make a pro-bowl.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 10:36 PM
I already knew all that.


Well, sure, but most of the posters aren't as bright as you are.

You know, relatively speaking.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 10:38 PM
I have no idea why DA, EK, and AR didn't make a pro-bowl.

Rison got one as a Chief, but I was quite surprised that DA didn't get in when he had that monster season. I do vaguely recall, though, that there were some other receivers who had had similar monster seasons that year.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 10:55 PM
In 2000, Derrick Alexander had 78 catches for 1,391 yards and 10 touchdowns and 17.8 yards per catch.

He didn't make the pro bowl. The pro bowl picks that year were:

Marvin Harrison - 102 catches, 1,413 yards, 14 TDs, 13.9 yards per catch.

Derrick Mason - 63 catches, 895 yards, 5 TDs, 14.2 yards per catch.

Eric Moulds - 94 catches, 1,326 yards, 5 TDs, 14.1 yards per catch.

Jimmy Smith - 91 catches, 1,213 yards, 8 TDs, 13.3 yards per catch.

Rod Smith - 100 catches, 1,602 yards, 8 TDs, 16.0 yards per catch.


Based on pure stats, I think Derrick deserved it more than any of these guys except Marvin Harrison and Rod Smith. What's the deal with Derrick Mason?

Moooo
06-14-2006, 11:00 PM
In 2000, Derrick Alexander had 78 catches for 1,391 yards and 10 touchdowns and 17.8 yards per catch.

He didn't make the pro bowl. The pro bowl picks that year were:

Marvin Harrison - 102 catches, 1,413 yards, 14 TDs, 13.9 yards per catch.

Derrick Mason - 63 catches, 895 yards, 5 TDs, 14.2 yards per catch.

Eric Moulds - 94 catches, 1,326 yards, 5 TDs, 14.1 yards per catch.

Jimmy Smith - 91 catches, 1,213 yards, 8 TDs, 13.3 yards per catch.

Rod Smith - 100 catches, 1,602 yards, 8 TDs, 16.0 yards per catch.


Based on pure stats, I think Derrick deserved it more than any of these guys except Marvin Harrison and Rod Smith. What's the deal with Derrick Mason?

Derrick Mason broke the record that year for most all-purpose yards in one season. So he was probably the returner also. From that point, they must have valued catches higher than yards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Mason

"In the 2000 season, he led the NFL in punt return yards(662) while also catching 63 passes for 895 yards and returning 41 kickoffs for 1,132 yards(an NFL leading 27 yards per return average), giving him 2,659 combined receiving and special teams yards."

Moooo

cdcox
06-15-2006, 12:59 AM
I hate the pro-Bowl, but do think the lists of the people and positions selected is a good indication of the relative quality of players at various positions over the years.

We have traditionally had weaknesses at the postions listed so far (QB, RB, and WR). I'm interested in seeing listings for the other positions.

Especially interesting is that our team success seems to be highly correlated with periods in which we are consistently sending RB to the PB.

SBK
06-15-2006, 01:02 AM
Just when I think I have no life I open a thread like this...

I kid I kid.

cdcox
06-15-2006, 01:03 AM
Mike Livingston (1969)


I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a ProBowl year less statistically impressive that Mike Livingston in 1969. It doesn't even rank as the top 50 single season passer ratings in Chiefs history.

Mike Livingston passer rating=67.4 games=9 att=161 comp=84 yards=1123 TDs =4 Int=6

chefsos
06-15-2006, 01:20 AM
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a ProBowl year less statistically impressive that Mike Livingston in 1969. It doesn't even rank as the top 50 single season passer ratings in Chiefs history.

Mike Livingston passer rating=67.4 games=9 att=161 comp=84 yards=1123 TDs =4 Int=6
Wow, that's...bad. I thought Livingston just came in to keep the ship afloat while Lenny recovered from his knee injury. Hell, I think Mike got hurt that year too, for that matter.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 10:22 PM
I recalled that Livingston had stepped in while Dawson was hurt, but I was very surprised that he was named to the All-Star team. It looks like my surprise was warranted.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 10:24 PM
The tight end situation is unambiguous.

Factoid #4: The tight end position

Number of Chiefs TEs selected: 2
Total Chiefs TE appearances: 12
Longest unbroken run: 7 appearances in 7 years, 1999-2005 (still active), all by Tony Gonzalez
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 31 years, from 1968 through 1998. (Fred Arbanas 1967, Tony Gonzalez 1999)
Most appearances: Tony Gonzalez with 7. Fred Arbanas has 5.

TEs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Fred Arbanas (1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967)
Tony Gonzalez (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)

Rain Man
06-17-2006, 02:12 PM
Factoid #5: The offensive tackle position

Number of Chiefs OTs selected: 3
Total Chiefs OT appearances: 15
Longest unbroken run: 5 appearances in 5 years, 1962-1966, all by Jim Tyrer
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 21 years, from 1971 through 1991. (Jim Tyrer 1971, John Alt 1992)
Most appearances: Jim Tyrer with 9

OTs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Jim Tyrer (1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, and 1971)
John Alt (1992, 1993)
Willie Roaf (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)

shaneo69
06-17-2006, 03:26 PM
Factoid #3: The wide receiver position

Longest drought: 0 appearances in 11 years, from 1970 through 1980. (Robert Holmes 1969, Joe Delaney 1981)

Huh?

Rain Man
06-17-2006, 03:52 PM
Oh. Sorry about that. Thanks for noticing.

Factoid #3: The wide receiver position

Number of Chiefs WRs selected: 7
Total Chiefs WR appearances: 12
Longest unbroken run: 3 appearances in 3 years, 1970-1972, all by Otis Taylor
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 9 years, from 1988 through 1996. (Carlos Carson 1987, Andre Rison 1997)
Most appearances: Otis Taylor with 4. Taylor, Carlos Carson, and Dante Hall (nominally a wide receiver) are the only Chiefs with multiple appearances.

WRs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Chris Burford (1961)
Frank Jackson (1965)
Otis Taylor (1966, 1970, 1971, 1972)
J.T. Smith (1980)
Carlos Carson (1983, 1987)
Andre Rison (1997)
Dante Hall (2002, 2003)

Rain Man
06-18-2006, 11:44 PM
Factoid #6: The offensive guard position

Number of Chiefs Gs selected: 6
Total Chiefs G appearances: 24
Longest unbroken run: 13 appearances in 11 years, 1995-2005, 11 by Will Shields, 2 by Brian Waters
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 23 years, from 1972 through 1994. (Ed Budde 1971, Will Shields 1995)
Most appearances: Will Shields with 11. (Ed Budde, Bill Krisher, and Brian Waters also have multiple appearances.)

Gs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Bill Krisher (1960, 1961)
Jerry Cornelison (1962)
Marvin Terrell (1962)
Ed Budde (1963, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Will Shields (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
Brian Waters (2004, 2005)

cdcox
06-18-2006, 11:48 PM
So Waters is already tied for 3rd. Anyone think he has a shot at catching Budde? He'd need 5 more to tie and six to pull into sole position in second.

Will Shields accomplishment is just amazing.

Rain Man
06-18-2006, 11:52 PM
I think Waters has a good chance to catch Budde. He's still pretty young, and I think that once you win one, you've got a good chance of winning a bunch. I hope that's the case.

It's interesting to me that we've got so many guard appearances, yet we still had 23 years in a row without one.

DJay23
06-19-2006, 09:36 AM
It's interesting to me that we've got so many guard appearances, yet we still had 23 years in a row without one.
The All Star appearance bear out what we already know. That the Chiefs were absolutely PATHETIC from 1971 till 1981 and were pretty bad from 81 till 90.

Rain Man
06-20-2006, 08:22 PM
Factoid #7: The Center position

Number of Chiefs Cs selected: 3
Total Chiefs C appearances: 6
Longest unbroken run: 4 appearances in 4 years, 1993-1976, all by Jack Rudnay
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 22 years, from 1977 through 1998. (Jack Rudnay 1976, Tim Grunhard 1999)
Most appearances: Jack Rudnay with 4. (No one else has multiple appearances)

Cs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Jon Gilliam (1961)
Jack Rudnay (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976)
Tim Grunhard (1999)

Rain Man
06-20-2006, 08:28 PM
I think we've always historically been strong at the center position - Holub, Rudnay, Grunhard, and Wiegman, with cameos by others. And yet we only have six appearances in the history of the team? Amazing.

Big Dick Jones
06-20-2006, 08:58 PM
I think we've always historically been strong at the center position - Holub, Rudnay, Grunhard, and Wiegman, with cameos by others. And yet we only have six appearances in the history of the team? Amazing.
Yep. Cameo by Webster who was later homeless and lived in the Chiefs locker room for a while. May he rest in peace.

Rain Man
06-21-2006, 06:33 PM
Factoid #8: The Kicker position

Number of Chiefs Ks selected: 3
Total Chiefs K appearances: 8
Longest unbroken run: 4 appearances in 4 years, 1968-1971, all by Jan Stenerud
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 13 years, from 1993 through the present. (Nick Lowery, 1992)
Most appearances: Stenerud with 4. Lowery had 3

Ks named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Tommy Brooker (1964)
Jan Stenerud (1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Nick Lowery (1981, 1990, 1992)

Nick Lowery may have had the longest gap between pro bowl appearances. He had 8 years between appearances. That's got to be very rare.

milkman
06-21-2006, 06:51 PM
Factoid #8: The Kicker position

Number of Chiefs Ks selected: 3
Total Chiefs K appearances: 8
Longest unbroken run: 4 appearances in 4 years, 1993-1976, all by Jack Rudnay
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 13 years, from 1993 through the present. (Nick Lowery, 1992)
Most appearances: Stenerud with 4. Lowery had 3

Ks named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Tommy Brooker (1964)
Jan Stenerud (1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Nick Lowery (1981, 1990, 1992)

Nick Lowery may have had the longest gap between pro bowl appearances. He had 8 years between appearances. That's got to be very rare.

That Rudnay was a great player, and versatile too.

Rain Man
06-21-2006, 07:17 PM
That Rudnay was a great player, and versatile too.

D'oh!

http://www.forcedshaving.com/wp-content/images/thumb-homersimpson.jpg

Rain Man
06-23-2006, 07:04 PM
Factoid #9: The Punter position

Number of Chiefs Ps selected: 2
Total Chiefs P appearances: 4
Longest unbroken run: 3 appearances in 3 years, 1970-1972, all by Jerrell Wilson
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 26 years, from 1980 through the present. (Bob Grupp, 1979)
Most appearances: Wilson with 3. No one else has more than 1 appearance

Ps named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Jerrell Wilson (1970, 1971, 1972)
Bob Grupp (1979)

Rain Man
06-24-2006, 08:42 PM
Factoid #10: The Safety position

Number of Chiefs Ss selected: 6
Total Chiefs S appearances: 19 (17 at FS, 2 at SS)
Longest unbroken run: 10 appearances in 9 years, 1980-1988 - 6 appearances by Deron Cherry, 3 by Gary Barbaro, 1 by Lloyd Burruss
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 13 years, from 1989 through 2002. (Deron Cherry 1988, Jerome Woods 2003)
Most appearances: Johnny Robinson with 7. (Deron Cherry had 6.)

Ss named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Bobby Hunt (1963)
Johnny Robinson (1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970)
Gary Barbaro (1980, 1981, 1982)
Deron Cherry (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)
Lloyd Burruss (1986)
Jerome Woods (2003)

SLAG
06-24-2006, 08:53 PM
Factoid #7: The Center position

Number of Chiefs Cs selected: 3
Total Chiefs C appearances: 6
Longest unbroken run: 4 appearances in 4 years, 1993-1976, all by Jack Rudnay
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 22 years, from 1977 through 1998. (Jack Rudnay 1976, Tim Grunhard 1999)
Most appearances: Jack Rudnay with 4. (No one else has multiple appearances)

Cs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Jon Gilliam (1961)
Jack Rudnay (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976)
Tim Grunhard (1999)

Since the probowl is a popularity contest
Within the next two years I see C.W. Making the Pro Bowl... He is one of the most under appreciated Linemen in the League

Rain Man
06-26-2006, 08:20 PM
Factoid #11: The Cornerback position

Number of Chiefs CBs selected: 10
Total Chiefs CB appearances: 27
Longest unbroken run: 5 appearances in 5 years, 1968-1972 - 3 appearances by Emmitt Thomas, 2 by Jim Marsalis
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 6 years (still alive), from 2000 through the present. (James Hasty, 1999)
Most appearances: Emmitt Thomas with 5. (Four other Chiefs have 3 or more appearances.)

CBs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Dave Webster (1961)
Dave Grayson (1962, 1963, 1964)
Duane Wood (1963)
Emmitt Thomas (1968, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975)
Jim Marsalis (1969, 1970)
Gary Green (1981, 1982, 1983)
Albert Lewis (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990)
Kevin Ross (1989, 1990)
Dale Carter (1994, 1995, 1996, 1997)
James Hasty (1997, 1999)

Rain Man
07-24-2006, 02:54 PM
Factoid #12: The Outside linebacker position

Number of Chiefs OLBs selected: 6
Total Chiefs OLB appearances: 25
Longest unbroken run: 15 appearances in 12 years, 1961-1972 - 5 appearances by E.J. Holub, 1 by Walt Corey, 1 by Jim Lynch, 8 by Bobby Bell
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 16 years, from 1973 through 1988. (Bobby Bell 1972, Derrick Thomas 1989)
Most appearances: Derrick Thomas with 9. (Bell has 8 as an OLB and 1 as a DE, Holub has 5, no other Chief has multiple appearances.)

OLBs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

E.J. Holub (1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966)
Walt Corey (1963)
Bobby Bell (1965,1966,1967,1968,1969,1970,1971,1972 and 1 as a DE - 1964)
Jim Lynch (1968)
Derrick Thomas (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998)
Gary Stills (2003)

Discuss Thrower
07-24-2006, 03:41 PM
Wasn't stills a ST player pick that year?

Rain Man
07-24-2006, 03:43 PM
Yeah, but I don't plan to have a special teams category, since it doesn't have a full history.

Rain Man
07-30-2006, 09:05 PM
Factoid #13: The Inside linebacker position

Number of Chiefs ILBs selected: 3
Total Chiefs ILB appearances: 14
Longest unbroken run: 8 appearances in 8 years, 1968-1975 - All by Willie Lanier
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 17 years, from 1989 through 2005 (still active). (Dino Hackett, 1988)
Most appearances: Willie Lanier with 8. (Sherrill Headrick has 5.)

ILBs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Sherrill Headrick (1960, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966)
Willie Lanier (1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975)
Dino Hackett (1988)

Rain Man
08-05-2006, 12:33 PM
Factoid #14: The Defensive End position

Number of Chiefs des selected: 5
Total Chiefs DE appearances: 19
Longest unbroken run: 9 appearances in 9 years, 1960-1968 - 4 by Mel Branch, 1 by Bobby Bell, 4 by Jerry Mays
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 10 years, from 1996 through 2005 (still active). (Neil Smith, 1995)
Most appearances: Jerry Mays and Neil Smith with 5 each (Mays also has two as a DT). Mel Branch and Art Still each have 4.

DEs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Mel Branch (1960, 1961, 1962, 1963)
Bobby Bell (1964) - Bell also has 8 more as an OLB
Jerry Mays (1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970 and two as a DT - 1962 and 1964)
Art Still (1980, 1981, 1982, 1984)
Neil Smith (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995)

Rain Man
08-06-2006, 12:21 AM
Factoid #15: The Defensive Tackle position

Number of Chiefs DTs selected: 6
Total Chiefs DT appearances: 16
Longest unbroken run: 11 appearances in 8 years, 1964-1971 - 8 by Buck Buchanan, 2 by Curley Culp, 1 by Jerry Mays
Longest drought: 0 appearances in 14 years, from 1972 through 1985 (Buck Buchanan and Curley Culp - 1971, Bill Maas - 1986)
Most appearances: Buck Buchanan with 8. Maas, Culp, and Jerry Mays have 2 (plus 5 Mays DE appearances)

DTs named to a Pro Bowl or All-Star Game

Paul Rochester (1961)
Jerry Mays (1962, 1964, plus DE appearances in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970)
Buck Buchanan (1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Curley Culp (1969, 1971)
Bill Maas (1986, 1987)
Dan Saleaumua (1995)

greg63
08-06-2006, 12:29 AM
Too many numbers; makes my head hurt.

chefsos
08-06-2006, 12:49 AM
Too many numbers; makes my head hurt.
Here's a number for you. 136. That is (assuming two starters and two backups) the number of Defensive Tackle Pro Bowl spots available since 1971.

The Chiefs have filled three of them. :shake:

Rain Man
08-06-2006, 12:55 AM
Pro Bowls by Individual.

Bold font is players who may still be active in the NFL.

11

Will Shields (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)

10

Derrick Thomas (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998)

9

Bobby Bell (1965,1966,1967,1968,1969,1970,1971,1972 as OLB and 1 as a DE - 1964)
Jim Tyrer (1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, and 1971)

8

Buck Buchanan (1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Willie Lanier (1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975)

7

Ed Budde (1963, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Jerry Mays (1962, 1964 as DT, plus DE appearances in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970)
Johnny Robinson (1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970)
Len Dawson (1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971)
Tony Gonzalez (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)

6

Deron Cherry (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)

5

E.J. Holub (1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966)
Emmitt Thomas (1968, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975)
Fred Arbanas (1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967)
Neil Smith (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995)
Sherrill Headrick (1960, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966)

4

Abner Haynes (1960, 1961, 1962, and 1964)
Albert Lewis (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990)
Art Still (1980, 1981, 1982, 1984)
Dale Carter (1994, 1995, 1996, 1997)
Jack Rudnay (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976)
Jan Stenerud (1968, 1969, 1970, 1971)
Mel Branch (1960, 1961, 1962, 1963)
Otis Taylor (1966, 1970, 1971, 1972)
Willie Roaf (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)

3

Curtis McClinton (1962, 1966, 1967)
Dave Grayson (1962, 1963, 1964)
Gary Barbaro (1980, 1981, 1982)
Gary Green (1981, 1982, 1983)
Jerrell Wilson (1970, 1971, 1972)
Kimble Anders (1995, 1996, 1997)
Nick Lowery (1981, 1990, 1992)
Priest Holmes (2001, 2002, 2003)

2

Bill Maas (1986, 1987)
Bill Krisher (1960, 1961)
Brian Waters (2004, 2005)
Carlos Carson (1983, 1987)
Christian Okoye (1989, 1991)
Curley Culp (1969, 1971)
Dante Hall (2002, 2003)
James Hasty (1997, 1999)
Jim Marsalis (1969, 1970)
John Alt (1992, 1993)
Kevin Ross (1989, 1990)
Mike Garrett (1966, 1967)
Trent Green (2003, 2005)

1

Andre Rison (1997)
Bill Kenney (1983)
Bob Grupp (1979)
Bobby Hunt (1963)
Chris Burford (1961)
Cotton Davidson (1961)
Dave Webster (1961)
Dino Hackett (1988)
Duane Wood (1963)
Elvis Grbac (2000)
Frank Jackson (1965)
Gary Stills (2003)
J.T. Smith (1980)
Jerome Woods (2003)
Jerry Cornelison (1962)
Jim Lynch (1968)
Joe Delaney (1981)
Joe Montana (1993)
Jon Gilliam (1961)
Lloyd Burruss (1986)
Mack Lee Hill (1964)
Marcus Allen (1993)
Marvin Terrell (1962)
Mike Livingston (1969)
Robert Holmes (1969)
Steve Bono (1995)
Tim Grunhard (1999)
Tommy Brooker (1964)
Walt Corey (1963)

greg63
08-06-2006, 01:07 AM
Here's a number for you. 136. That is (assuming two starters and two backups) the number of Defensive Tackle Pro Bowl spots available since 1971.

The Chiefs have filled three of them. :shake:

Well that does narrow it down making it much simpler to decipher.











...I'm just lazy. :D

Florida_Bronco
08-06-2006, 01:28 AM
Good breakdown.

Rain Man
08-06-2006, 01:38 AM
The Chiefs' All-Pro-Bowl Team

QB - Len Dawson - 7
RB - Abner Haynes - 4
RB - Curtis McClinton - 3 (or Priest Holmes with 3)
WR - Otis Taylor - 4
WR - Carlos Carson - 2
TE - Tony Gonzalez - 7
T - Jim Tyrer - 9
T - Willie Roaf - 4
G - Will Shields - 11
G - Ed Budde - 7
C - Jack Rudnay - 4
K - Jan Stenerud - 4
P - Jerrell Wilson - 3
S - Johnny Robinson - 7
S - Deron Cherry - 6
CB - Emmitt Thomas - 5
CB - Albert Lewis - 4
OLB - Derrick Thomas - 10
OLB - Bobby Bell - 9
ILB - Willie Lanier - 8
ILB - Sherrill Headrick - 5
DE - Jerry Mays - 7
DE - Neil Smith - 5
DT - Buck Buchanan - 8

Rain Man
08-06-2006, 02:51 PM
Now here's an interesting one. This is the likelihood of a Chief making the pro bowl at any given position during a given season.

I calculated it by merely taking the number of total Chiefs appearances at each position, and dividing it by the number of seasons that the Chiefs have existed.

These numbers are artificially high because back in the early sixties, the all-star teams were chosen from a universe of only four teams (AFL West vs. AFL East), so the odds were very good that a team could place it's players in the all-star game as a starter or a backup. It's much harder now. (However, note that it was harder to make a team back then since there were fewer teams, so in essence, the difficulty in becoming an all-star were similar, other than the fact that there were four pro bowl teams (AFL and NFL) instead of just two.)

This table shows that quarterback has traditionally been the position of greatest strength in terms of pro bowls. However, since they usually go three deep on QBs, that again skews the numbers a bit. Realistically, in no surprise to anyone, cornerbacks would top the list if we actually graded based on depth. Outside linebacker ranks high too, primarily because of two players - Thomas and Bell.

At some point, I'll figure out the actual number of pro bowl roster spots and do this more accurately. This is just a first cut.



Starters PB Appearances
QB 45 15 33%
CB 90 27 30%
OLB 90 25 28%
ILB 52 14 27%
G 90 24 27%
TE 45 12 27%
RB 90 24 27%
DE 90 19 21%
S 90 19 21%
DT 83 16 19%
K 45 8 18%
T 90 15 17%
C 45 6 13%
WR 90 12 13%
P 45 4 9%



As a rough estimate, I assumed that the Chiefs had 7 years in a 3-4 defense.