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Rain Man
06-14-2006, 12:47 PM
Two questions, actually.


First, if you have a team that's horrible at drafting, and they draft a guy who's a consensus 7th round pick with the first pick in the draft, and then if the guy plays like a seventh-round pick with a year or two on the practice squad and a year or two on special teams before he's out of the league, should he count as a first-round bust? Or should he get a pass because the GM was stupid?

Second, if the team is really, really bad, and they draft a dead guy with the first pick, will he go down in history as a bust? Or again, should history recognize that it's a GM error?

milkman
06-14-2006, 12:52 PM
If a GM drafts a dead guy, then someone should bust a cap in his ass, and send him to join his pick.

Moooo
06-14-2006, 12:53 PM
Two questions, actually.


First, if you have a team that's horrible at drafting, and they draft a guy who's a consensus 7th round pick with the first pick in the draft, and then if the guy plays like a seventh-round pick with a year or two on the practice squad and a year or two on special teams before he's out of the league, should he count as a first-round bust? Or should he get a pass because the GM was stupid?

Second, if the team is really, really bad, and they draft a dead guy with the first pick, will he go down in history as a bust? Or again, should history recognize that it's a GM error?

Kierkegarrd would say it depends on whether or not the cause of the inadequacy is due to inability to play at the NFL level or if the GM-related things like not happy with the team or not enough money are doing it.

Moooo

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 01:12 PM
If a GM drafts a dead guy, then someone should bust a cap in his ass, and send him to join his pick.

I think it actually happened once with a late-round pick. Anyone remember the story?

StcChief
06-14-2006, 01:20 PM
A guy dies..sh1t happens (unless a Darwin award is involved) then a character evaluation flaw...

7th rounder...Scraping for a diamond in the rough anyway....

Our two sport guy was a legit pick...Carl couldn't do anything but hope he decided Football is where he wants to be and encourage it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-14-2006, 01:25 PM
Doesn't Len Bias have to go down as the worst draft pick in the history of sports??

chief52
06-14-2006, 01:30 PM
Doesn't Len Bias have to go down as the worst draft pick in the history of sports??

No, because he did not cost the Celtics any money. Now wasting a first round pick on a bust and paying him millions...that would be a much worse pick IMO.

tk13
06-14-2006, 01:33 PM
Doesn't Len Bias have to go down as the worst draft pick in the history of sports??
It sure finished off the Celtics. That 86 team was one of the greatest NBA teams of all time... then it looked like they were actually going to get better, then Bias died and they haven't won a title since, going on 20 years now. Even though they had a record 16 titles in the previous 35 years or whatever it was.

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 01:37 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/sports/story.html?id=10668428-ee8f-4bee-8531-50c842530072&k=51914

Apparently the Canadian Football League has drafted two dead guys.

You want embarrassed?
Despite what Als coach says, Williams's signing is not CFL's worst moment
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Font: * * * * Vicki Hall, The Edmonton Journal
Published: Thursday, June 08, 2006
EDMONTON - So Don Matthews thinks Ricky Williams touching down in the Big Smoke is the most embarrassing thing he's ever seen in the Canadian Football League.

No offence, Don, but how's your memory these days? Perhaps you need some cleaning solution to wipe off those patented Oakley sunglasses. Could all that hot air in Montreal be getting to you, even though you have more wins than any coach in CFL history?

Yes, the fact the CFL is willing to accept yet another NFL scofflaw -- suspended for multiple violations of the league's substance-abuse policy but allowed to play for the Toronto Argonauts -- can be deemed embarrassing. But the most embarrassing thing ever? Come on.

As for making the league look cheap and second-rate, as you suggest, I'm afraid the league already has a patent on such behavior.

TO WIT:

- Remember when the Ottawa Rough Riders drafted a dead guy in the 1995 dispersal draft for the Las Vegas Posse? If that wasn't embarrassing enough, the Montreal Alouettes selected a dead defensive lineman in the 1996 Canadian college draft.

- How about the advertising campaign: "Our balls are bigger." What a fitting marketing slogan -- for a male escort agency.

- The year is 2006. There's still no drug policy in the CFL. The official reason? It's too expensive. Let's see. Drug testing exists in Canadian Interuniversity Sport. The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League tests for drugs. An Edmonton junior football player tested positive for ephedra in the 2004 Canadian Bowl. Ontario curler Joe Frans tested positive for cocaine at the 2005 Brier. Drug testing in curling, but not professional football? Give me a break.

- The so-called CFL salary cap is still a joke. Just imagine the financial state of Canada if the Canada Revenue Agency enforced personal income tax payments like the CFL enforces player salaries.

w Remember when Michael Feterik bought the Calgary Stampeders, only to strongly suggest his son Kevin start at quarterback? Wally Buono balked and wisely bolted to Vancouver. His successor, Jim Barker, was fired.

- This is the same league that allowed the Glieberman family to kill CFL franchises in Ottawa. Not once, but twice. How did the CFL ever have confidence in Lonie Glieberman, better known for dating cheerleaders than for his football or business acumen. In an attempt to boost attendance, Lonie adopted Mardis Gras Madness last year in the stands at Frank Clair Stadium. Women collected beads from male spectators in return for baring their breasts at Renegades games.

Not surprisingly, the promotion turned out to be a bust.

- Out of touch with the mood of the entire continent, the CFL decided its games should go on the weekend after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Mechanical failures ended up delaying the Edmonton Eskimos' flight to Winnipeg, so the team decided to not make the trip in light of the tragedy. The Blue Bombers accused Edmonton of deliberately shying away from a road game against the powerful Winnipeg team. The league office ruled in favour of Edmonton and scheduled the game for the next week. Winnipeg head coach Dave Ritchie called it yet another example of discrimination against central Canada.

NJ Chief Fan
06-14-2006, 03:02 PM
who ever carl drafts is best for the team

Rain Man
06-14-2006, 03:10 PM
who ever carl drafts is best for the team

If you only owned season tickets, Carl would thank you for being a true fan.