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chiefqueen
06-14-2006, 07:06 PM
Per ch. 41 the individual who wrote the song was convicted of child molestation yesterday. Because of this NFL is requesting teams to no longer play the song in their stadiums.

nychief
06-14-2006, 07:08 PM
garry glitter? give me a ****ing rock n' roll number 2 break....

nychief
06-14-2006, 07:10 PM
Gary Glitter will go before a court Thursday to appeal his conviction and three-year prison sentence for child molestation.

The 62-year-old former British glam rocker was found guilty March 3 for committing obscene acts with girls ages 10 and 11 at his rented seaside villa in southern Vietnam.

The People's Supreme Court of Appeals will hear the appeal in a closed hearing. The ruling by the three-judge panel will be announced later Thursday.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Francis Gadd, was accused of kissing, fondling and "engaging in other physical acts" with the girls at his rented villa in the seaside city of Vung Tau, about 78 miles southeast of Ho Chi Minh City.

He has been in police custody in Vung Tau since Nov. 19, when he was arrested in Ho Chi Minh City trying to board a flight to Bangkok, Thailand.

Glitter, who has maintained his innocence, was convicted in Britain in 1999 for possessing child pornography. He served half of a four-month jail term.

"Every time I meet with him, he says he's innocent," his attorney, Le Thanh Kinh, told The Associated Press. Kinh has met with Glitter a few times per month since March. Their last meeting was Tuesday.

Kinh said Wednesday that Glitter is "feeling good," has been exercising regularly while in detention and reading.

Cochise
06-14-2006, 07:17 PM
That's complete BS.

What are they going to do, play that ghey bang on the drum song like they do at the Rams games?

:shake:

Adept Havelock
06-14-2006, 07:18 PM
Another case of Political Correctness gone to a ridiculous extreme. Give me a break. :cuss:

Ban one of the all time great pieces of stadium music because it's composer is a POS? Oy Gevalt.

Edgar Allen Poe was a drunk and a drug addict. Should we stop teaching his writings in English class?

Richard Wagner was a notorious anti-semite, whose music was appropriated by the Nazi's. Should we ban "Ride of the Valkyries" too?

Music is art, standing independent of the crimes of it's creator.
Hating a work of art is like jousting with an ice cream sundae. It just isn't worth it.

DaneMcCloud
06-14-2006, 07:18 PM
Per ch. 41 the individual who wrote the song was convicted of child molestation yesterday. Because of this NFL is requesting teams to no longer play the song in their stadiums.

What an idiotic move on the NFL's part to even make mention of his conviction. I doubt there's too many people out there that even KNOW the song's name, let alone anything about a guy who wrote it over 40 years ago.

Did the NFL remove O.J. Simpson from the HOF?

Frazod
06-14-2006, 07:19 PM
Hitler first came up with the idea of the autobahn. Therefor we should stop driving on the interstates. :rolleyes:

Nzoner
06-14-2006, 07:38 PM
I agree Glitter is a POS but I'll be damned if I'm going to quit playing the song after a Chiefs TD in my gameroom.

Guru
06-14-2006, 07:42 PM
I agree Glitter is a POS but I'll be damned if I'm going to quit playing the song after a Chiefs TD in my gameroom.


Yeah, but imagine the stadium after touchdowns without "We're gonna beat the hell outa you!!!"

pr_capone
06-14-2006, 07:58 PM
I'm not seeing this on nfl.com or any other news station.

Have any links?

Fish
06-14-2006, 08:04 PM
Did the NFL remove O.J. Simpson from the HOF?

OJ was innocent....... :shrug:

CHENZ A!
06-14-2006, 08:35 PM
I'd like it if we played something original, as much as I love to scream "we're gonna beat the hell outta you!". That is the song that they play in almost every other stadium when the home team scores a TD.

Moooo
06-14-2006, 08:40 PM
That's bull. According to that law they made because of the Son of Sam, a convicted criminal can't make money off of any enterprise while in prison. So this would be the perfect time, it would go to someone who is more deserving rather than an unconvicted child molester.

Moooo

cmh6476
06-14-2006, 08:40 PM
wtf are we gonna play when we score all them TDs again this year? :spock:

petegz28
06-14-2006, 08:44 PM
That's complete BS.

What are they going to do, play that ghey bang on the drum song like they do at the Rams games?

:shake:


No kidding. that song is so sissy for football isn't it?

ChiefsFan4Life
06-14-2006, 08:46 PM
No way in hell - it will never be the same without the song and chat after TDs

Until I see a link I call horseshit

plbrdude
06-14-2006, 08:56 PM
wtf are we gonna play when we score all them TDs again this year? :spock:


might have to breakout the classic pat travers band--"boom boom out go the lights"

DaneMcCloud
06-14-2006, 09:02 PM
That's bull. According to that law they made because of the Son of Sam, a convicted criminal can't make money off of any enterprise while in prison. So this would be the perfect time, it would go to someone who is more deserving rather than an unconvicted child molester.

Moooo

I don't think that ASCAP and Universal Music Publishing are just going to stop paying royalties to the Gary Glitter Estate because he was convicted in Vietnam.

The Son of Sam Law only applied to someone selling their story to publishers and was not a federal law. It was challenged and finally struck down in 1990.

wazu
06-14-2006, 09:05 PM
As long as they replace it with "Song #2" by Blur, I'll be okay with it.

4th and Long
06-14-2006, 09:13 PM
No way in hell - it will never be the same without the song and chat after TDs

Until I see a link I call horseshit
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19479208%255E23109,00.html

As for ther NFL changing their policy on his tune, I got nuthin'.

Fat Elvis
06-14-2006, 09:16 PM
As long as they replace it with "Song #2" by Blur, I'll be okay with it.


Woo Hoo

OldTownChief
06-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Damnit Karl!!! :cuss:

ChiefsFan4Life
06-14-2006, 09:24 PM
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19479208%255E23109,00.html

As for ther NFL changing their policy on his tune, I got nuthin'.

The part about the NFL changing their policy is what I was looking for

The news about Glitter getting in trouble is old news

Mr. Kotter
06-14-2006, 09:25 PM
OJ was innocent....... :shrug:

Acquited by a jury of California boobs, due to reasonable doubt.....when he had the best defense lawyers money can buy....is NOT innocent. It's "not guilty" in a court of law.....not that it matters to him.

:banghead:


Although that "Guilty" verdict in the civil suit has cramped his style a wee bit...:)

Moooo
06-14-2006, 09:33 PM
Acquited by a jury of California boobs, due to reasonable doubt.....when he had the best defense lawyers money can buy....is NOT innocent. It's "not guilty" in a court of law.....not that it matters to him.

:banghead:


Although that "Guilty" verdict in the civil suit has cramped his style a wee bit...:)

Here's a question: Who determines who's guilty and who's innocent? The Courts or Society?

Moooo

Adept Havelock
06-14-2006, 09:44 PM
Acquited by a jury of California boobs, due to reasonable doubt.....when he had the best defense lawyers money can buy....is NOT innocent. It's "not guilty" in a court of law.....not that it matters to him.

:banghead:


Although that "Guilty" verdict in the civil suit has cramped his style a wee bit...:)

Personally, I think he was acquited because that idiot Furhman and his buddies stupidly decided to frame a guilty man. :D

Mr. Kotter
06-14-2006, 10:01 PM
Here's a question: Who determines who's guilty and who's innocent? The Courts or Society?

MooooNeither.



God does. And he's got something special waiting for the Juice...... :fire:


Personally, I think he was acquited because that idiot Furhman and his buddies stupidly decided to frame a guilty man. :D
Uh-huh..."if the glove does not fit, you must acquit.....BS, eh?" Attempt to frame or not (didn't convince me of it), the bastard was guilty to anyone who had half a brain. Fortunately for the defense, they found people with less than half a brain to serve on the jury....:p

Rausch
06-14-2006, 10:38 PM
Hitler first came up with the idea of the autobahn. Therefor we should stop driving on the interstates. :rolleyes:

Nazi Germany made a number of scientific advances as well.

Better drop genetics, rocketry, and anything that Rommel guy came up with...

Bob Dole
06-14-2006, 10:42 PM
Bob Dole is still campaigning to hear Drowning Pool's Bodies before every Chiefs' kickoff.

ImAWalkingCorpse
06-14-2006, 10:44 PM
The song sucks who cares... this isn't the 1st time Glitter has been in trouble either. I am personally glad that retarded song will be gone maybe they can come up with some new song now.

Rausch
06-14-2006, 10:50 PM
Bob Dole is still campaigning to hear Drowning Pool's Bodies before every Chiefs' kickoff.

That would be sweet.

Or Ænima when we play the Faiders... :)

BigMeatballDave
06-15-2006, 12:37 AM
What an idiotic move on the NFL's part to even make mention of his conviction. I doubt there's too many people out there that even KNOW the song's name, let alone anything about a guy who wrote it over 40 years ago.

Did the NFL remove O.J. Simpson from the HOF?In fairness, OJ wasn't convicted. I see your point, though...

BigMeatballDave
06-15-2006, 12:42 AM
The song sucks who cares... this isn't the 1st time Glitter has been in trouble either. I am personally glad that retarded song will be gone maybe they can come up with some new song now.I kind of agree here. I really am tired of that tune. Just like i am sick to death of the chop. Completely ghey...

deadbabyseal
06-15-2006, 06:44 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/06/14/buchwald_plans_vineyard_stay/

The NFL asks teams to ban golden oldie

Believe it or not, Gary Glitter's conviction on child molestation charges could have consequences for Patriots fans. The former glam rocker is so disgraced that the National Football League is asking teams to refrain from playing his popular anthem ``Rock and Roll Pt. 2" on game day. ``We've communicated to the teams that due to current events we'd like them not to play the song," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed yesterday. ``The reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. Teams understand the reason for the request." Glitter, 62, whose given name is Paul Francis Gadd, was sentenced to three years in a Vietnamese prison for committing obscene acts with two underage girls. Pats spokesman Stacey James said the team was considering removing the song even before the league made its request. He added that the Pats are reviewing music options that would give the club a ``unique" identity.

Count Zarth
06-15-2006, 06:48 AM
Please...no...for the love of god...

Brock
06-15-2006, 07:20 AM
Stupid.

Kerberos
06-15-2006, 07:34 AM
I kind of agree here. I really am tired of that tune. Just like i am sick to death of the chop. Completely ghey...


As BIG of a Guilty POS that OJ may or may not be that is supposed to make NO DIFFERENCE in the standing of the Football HOF if you hear thier CREAD correctly when they talk about it.

IE: It is a Players presence and outstanding performance ON THE FIELD that gets recognition for HOF and nothing whatsoever to do with a players actions (Good or Bad) OFF the field.

If that were the case LT would have had his HOF status removed after the release of his book IMO.

As far as the song goes it will be missed somewhat at first but hey we are Chiefs fans and we can deal with just about anything. New Coach, New Season and maybe its time for a new touchdown song. :shrug:


.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 07:59 AM
I don't have a link, but I heard that they're going to replace it with the old classic, "Young Girl".

Demonpenz
06-15-2006, 08:27 AM
this is a good move, maybe it will give a chance for arrowhead to play some of the latest hip hop. It's time to realize it is 2006.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 08:29 AM
this is a good move, maybe it will give a chance for arrowhead to play some of the latest hip hop. It's time to realize it is 2006.

No. No hip-hop. Classic rock.

Lzen
06-15-2006, 08:29 AM
Bob Dole is still campaigning to hear Drowning Pool's Bodies before every Chiefs' kickoff.


Hell yeah!!


Let the bodies hit the floor!!
:clap:

Count Zarth
06-15-2006, 08:31 AM
Hip-hop...please god, no.

The kickoff music is start me up, is it not? That won't be changing.

Demonpenz
06-15-2006, 08:33 AM
kickoff music is black betty

Lzen
06-15-2006, 08:33 AM
this is a good move, maybe it will give a chance for arrowhead to play some of the latest hip hop. It's time to realize it is 2006.

I would prefer some hard rock. But hey, anything modern would be alright. We've been stuck on classic rock since......well........since it was new rock.
:shake:



On another note, has anyone ever noticed that the San Antonio Spurs play Surrounded by Dream Theater? As a huge DT fan, I just think that is awesome. :)

BigMeatballDave
06-15-2006, 08:33 AM
this is a good move, maybe it will give a chance for arrowhead to play some of the latest hip hop. It's time to realize it is 2006.Absolutely not! Keep that shit away.
:shake:

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 08:35 AM
Whenever Larry Johnson scores, they should play that guitar riff from Tom Petty's "Running Down A Dream".

Demonpenz
06-15-2006, 08:36 AM
Absolutely not! Keep that shit away.
:shake:



It is already in the staduim already when they play nelly or 50 cent. Now we just need some Ying yang twins Ho's to the floors when kickoff comes.

InChiefsHell
06-15-2006, 08:48 AM
I always wanted to hear Balls to the Wall by Acceptcwhen the Defense takes the field...of course, since 2000 it's hard to say whose balls would be to the wall so...

vckcchiefs04
06-15-2006, 09:12 AM
Hip-hop...please god, no.

The kickoff music is start me up, is it not? That won't be changing.
We have not used Start Me Up for a few years now.

Count Zarth
06-15-2006, 09:47 AM
We have not used Start Me Up for a few years now.

That blows.

ROYC75
06-15-2006, 09:50 AM
this is a good move, maybe it will give a chance for arrowhead to play some of the latest hip hop. It's time to realize it is 2006.


Anybody told you that you and hip hop both suck ?

Lurch
06-15-2006, 09:56 AM
We have not used Start Me Up for a few years now.They still use it. Just not all the time, or nearly as often as they use to. Banning Gary Glitter because of this is understandable, I guess....but it blows.

KC Dan
06-15-2006, 09:58 AM
Anybody told you that you and hip hop both suck ?
ROFL:thumb:

Predarat
06-15-2006, 10:24 AM
If you really want to do it you can hum it. They banned it at Wichita State (they called it the Low Brass Cheer) but the students would hum it so they could still say 'were gonna beat the hell out of you!". It was a coach, AD or presidents idea to ban it because they thought it was poor sportsmanship. They brought it back but made the students say "Go shocks, win Shocks, Fight Like Hell!". But eventually they brought it back full force. And now their Cheerleaders flash the Shocker!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/Predarat5/ncaashocker.jpg

KC Dan
06-15-2006, 10:30 AM
If you really want to do it you can hum it. They banned it at Wichita State (they called it the Low Brass Cheer) but the students would hum it so they could still say 'were gonna beat the hell out of you!". It was a coach, AD or presidents idea to ban it because they thought it was poor sportsmanship. They brought it back but made the students say "Go shocks, win Shocks, Fight Like Hell!". But eventually they brought it back full force. And now their Cheerleaders flash the Shocker!!
Yeah, I see the Chiefs stopping 78,000 people from screaming it anyway, whether they play it or not.
:banghead:

TinyEvel
06-15-2006, 11:02 AM
I bet a million bucks the Pat's replace the Gary Glitter song with something by the Black Eyed Peas. Those Mo-Fo's are so friggin for sale they should replace the Wal-Mart happy face with Fergie's head.

This whole thing is BS.

From now on, we should all chant it like this:

duh duh DUUUUUH-UUUUH....GHEY!

Predarat
06-15-2006, 11:05 AM
I bet a million bucks the Pat's replace the Gary Glitter song with something by the Black Eyed Peas. Those Mo-Fo's are so friggin for sale they should replace the Wal-Mart happy face with Fergie's head.

This whole thing is BS.

From now on, we should all chant it like this:

duh duh DUUUUUH-UUUUH....GHEY!
The freaking Black EYed Peas YUK!!! I hate their music or what they call music.

CoMoChief
06-15-2006, 11:10 AM
Yeah, but imagine the stadium after touchdowns without "We're gonna beat the hell outa you!!!"



I thinks its almost an automzatic reaction that fans cheer that anyways when we score. We've been doing that for years and I bet we do it anyways without any music. Sounds kinda gay but I wouldnt be surprised.

They need to bring back the "Go Chiefs" cheer. thats kinda died out IMO.

cadmonkey
06-15-2006, 11:22 AM
I hate that song and damn well agree that it sould be banned from everything in LIFE!!!!!

KC Dan
06-15-2006, 11:33 AM
I hate that song and damn well agree that it sould be banned from everything in LIFE!!!!!
said the Black Eyed Peas - Pats fan...

Raiderhader
06-15-2006, 11:38 AM
What a load of PC crap.

I agree we need some new music in the stadium, but that needs to stay, it's tradition.

Raiderhader
06-15-2006, 11:42 AM
I don't have a link, but I heard that they're going to replace it with the old classic, "Young Girl".


ROFL That is so wrong.

MOhillbilly
06-15-2006, 11:42 AM
we need a fight song.
a real honest to christ fight song.
not some gay half ass bullshit cause were to damn drunk to do anything other than go 'hey' fourteen hundred times.

(and half the crew is to damn durnk to get even that right).

mcan
06-15-2006, 11:47 AM
I don't have a link, but I heard that they're going to replace it with the old classic, "Young Girl".


I just laughed out loud in a computer lab full of CIS students taking a test...

CoMoChief
06-15-2006, 12:16 PM
I think they need to play ACDC's Thunderstruck before the players go out on defense. Thats a song that will pump anyone up, maybe Im wrong.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 12:18 PM
Maybe they should also add the Beatles' song that goes, "She was just seventeen...".

Predarat
06-15-2006, 12:18 PM
I think they need to play ACDC's Thunderstruck before the players go out on defense. Thats a song that will pump anyone up, maybe Im wrong.
You are absolutly correct. I first heard that song as the theme song of the AA minor league hockey team the Wichita Thunder. It never fails to pump me up! Also Are You Ready from ACDC would be good for a kickoff song.

Scanfan55
06-15-2006, 12:25 PM
In 2003 Syracuse banned it as well. But only because they bowed to political correctness. The kids would chant, "**** 'em up, **** 'em up, go SU, we're gonna kick the shit out of you." They allegedly got complaints from the NCAA or some nonesense, so the band was no longer allowed to play it. Then, when the kids still chanted it, they played loud music over it trying to cover it up.

Predarat
06-15-2006, 12:30 PM
"Well she showed me a learners permit that had her age at 15. I thought it was OK at that point"
-Gary Glitter

journeyscarab
06-15-2006, 12:40 PM
Black Betty sucks - and not in the fun way.

Nzoner
06-15-2006, 01:12 PM
this is a good move, maybe it will give a chance for arrowhead to play some of the latest hip hop. It's time to realize it is 2006.

:spock:

I will admit though I used to like when they played Kid Rock's Bawitaba as the defense was getting ready to take a stand.

Mark M
06-15-2006, 08:21 PM
They need to bring back the "Go Chiefs" cheer. thats kinda died out IMO.

I remember that from the '80s -- although the only time it really worked was during the Raiders game (the only that sold out from about '81 to '89).

For those that don't remember, here's a bit what it was and what I think they should do:

A couple of minutes before the start of the game and end of halftime, they'd hold up signs.

Half the stadium would yell "GO!" and then the other half "CHIEEEEFS!"

It'd start slow and go faster and faster until everyone went nuts.

I say do that right before the team takes the field, and at the end crank into some kickass song (Dole's Drowning Pool would be a damn fine choice) at the end.

The place would go nucking futs.

MM
~~:thumb:

Adept Havelock
06-15-2006, 08:51 PM
We could always bring back this great piece of music... :rolleyes:
Oy...such horrible memories.

"GIVE A CHEER FOR KANSAS CITY"
By Marv Levy

Give a cheer for Kansas City,
Loud and clear for the Red and Gold,
As the Chiefs march on to victory,
Like our mighty teams of old.

Rah, rah, rah for Kansas City,
Rah, rah, rah for Red and Gold,
As the Chiefs march on to victory,
Like our mighty teams of old.

Beat the drum, here they come
Warriors brave and strong.
In the stands, loyal fans
Cheer our team along.

Frazod
06-15-2006, 08:57 PM
"Well she showed me a learners permit that had her age at 15. I thought it was OK at that point"
-Gary Glitter

The thing that amazes me is that he was in Southeast Asia got busted for this crap in the first place. I really wonder what corrupt government official he pissed off.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 10:08 PM
We could always bring back this great piece of music... :rolleyes:
Oy...such horrible memories.

"GIVE A CHEER FOR KANSAS CITY"
By Marv Levy

Give a cheer for Kansas City,
Loud and clear for the Red and Gold,
As the Chiefs march on to victory,
Like our mighty teams of old.

Rah, rah, rah for Kansas City,
Rah, rah, rah for Red and Gold,
As the Chiefs march on to victory,
Like our mighty teams of old.

Beat the drum, here they come
Warriors brave and strong.
In the stands, loyal fans
Cheer our team along.

Oh, great. Now I'm going to be humming that for the next two days.

petegz28
06-15-2006, 10:12 PM
You are absolutly correct. I first heard that song as the theme song of the AA minor league hockey team the Wichita Thunder. It never fails to pump me up! Also Are You Ready from ACDC would be good for a kickoff song.


As someone else said ..Thunderstreck to much like the Chargers

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 10:20 PM
Here's my entry for the Chiefs fight song, sung to the tune of "My Country 'Tis of Thee".

I'm rooting for the Chiefs
Here at home in my briefs
Oh dammit Carl

Land of the offense pride
Land where the defense died
Chester McGlockton was offside
Oh dammit Carl

Mark M
06-15-2006, 10:29 PM
Here's my entry for the Chiefs fight song, sung to the tune of "My Country 'Tis of Thee".

I'm rooting for the Chiefs
Here at home in my briefs
Oh dammit Carl

Land of the offense pride
Land where the defense died
Chester McGlockton was offside
Oh dammit Carl

This is the greatest post in the history of Chiefs message boards ...

MM
~~ROFL :clap:

KCBOSS1
06-15-2006, 10:38 PM
[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud]What an idiotic move on the NFL's part to even make mention of his conviction. I doubt there's too many people out there that even KNOW the song's name, let alone anything about a guy who wrote it over 40 years ago.


I have no clue who this guy is! I only know it as an icon in Arrowhead. It's not like he gets royalties every time we score a touchdown. No, I can't imagine Arrowhead without this song after a touchdown. Last year, even the Eagles fans that I was sitting by dug it.

Demonpenz
06-15-2006, 10:55 PM
:spock:

I will admit though I used to like when they played Kid Rock's Bawitaba as the defense was getting ready to take a stand.



I was fishing for some you guys who hate rap. I would rather have hard rock of some sorts
:p

picasso
06-15-2006, 10:57 PM
Yes Glitter does get royalties from the song every time it is played in a stadium. The NFL has to report the same as a radio station has to report how many times they played it and the size of the audience it was played to.
Personally the NFL shows how hypocritical they are by being politically correct by not being able to control their own bag of losers like Caruth, Megget(sp), Chris Henry, ect...

Maybe we should boycott the NFL because they allow a Ricky Williams to smoke some gonja and come on back and play, or Ray Lewis for being in the wrong place (right).

It's just a song, a Glitter throw away song at that.

picasso
06-15-2006, 11:02 PM
I was fishing for some you guys who hate rap. I would rather have hard rock of some sorts
:p

Me to!!
I'm sick of seeing all these damn Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, Temptation, Sister Sledge get together reunions at Superbowl time.
AND especially all those gangsta songs played these days during halftime.

Nzoner
06-15-2006, 11:30 PM
Personally the NFL shows how hypocritical they are by being politically correct by not being able to control their own bag of losers like Caruth, Megget(sp), Chris Henry, ect...

Maybe we should boycott the NFL because they allow a Ricky Williams to smoke some gonja and come on back and play, or Ray Lewis for being in the wrong place (right).



I think the NFL should adopt the Judas Priest song Breaking The Law

Fish
06-15-2006, 11:40 PM
Yeah, I see the Chiefs stopping 78,000 people from screaming it anyway, whether they play it or not.
:banghead:

That's exactly what I'm thinking.... if people get it started... it's gonna happen...

Halfcan
06-15-2006, 11:45 PM
Yes Glitter does get royalties from the song every time it is played in a stadium. The NFL has to report the same as a radio station has to report how many times they played it and the size of the audience it was played to.
Personally the NFL shows how hypocritical they are by being politically correct by not being able to control their own bag of losers like Caruth, Megget(sp), Chris Henry, ect...

Maybe we should boycott the NFL because they allow a Ricky Williams to smoke some gonja and come on back and play, or Ray Lewis for being in the wrong place (right).

It's just a song, a Glitter throw away song at that.

We would they have to pay Royalties? Does a bar or any other entertainment entity have to pay? They are not using it to make money as a radio station does, and not using it as an advertisement. Besides Radio pays pennies to play a song.

DaneMcCloud
06-16-2006, 01:31 AM
We would they have to pay Royalties? Does a bar or any other entertainment entity have to pay? They are not using it to make money as a radio station does, and not using it as an advertisement. Besides Radio pays pennies to play a song.

Oh boy, Halfcan and is minimal knowledge strikes again. Radio does not "pay pennies". They pay at least 10 cents per song for each play. That means that if 100 radio stations play the same song five times a day, the composer gets paid for each instance. It doesn't sound like much but it can add up very quickly. Hit songs can generate well more than 100k per quarter.

Performance income for composers encompasses radio, television, restaurants and live music venues. Anytime a song is played ANYWHERE, there are performance royalties due to the publisher/composer.

I could give even more confidential royalty info, but I'd hate to give our resident Elvira impersonator even more ammo to sling at me. And the stories I could share...

cadmonkey
06-16-2006, 07:18 AM
said the Black Eyed Peas - Pats fan...

I'm not entirely sure what you mean with the Black Eyed Peas comment

journeyscarab
06-16-2006, 09:27 AM
I think the NFL should adopt the Judas Priest song Breaking The Law

How about "Hell Bent for Leather" being that the football is made of leather?

Count Zarth
06-16-2006, 09:30 AM
How about we just do away with touchdown songs?

Let the roar of the crowd be heard.

KC Dan
06-16-2006, 09:44 AM
I'm not entirely sure what you mean with the Black Eyed Peas comment
There was a discussion going on yesterday on a thread about the black eyed peas songs and how it was a Pats thing. May have been on this thread but I am too busy here at work to look it up. Just looping you in with bep's songs & the pats. I was bored and most likely stupid or so I am told by my 20 yr old daughter

ct
06-16-2006, 09:49 AM
So why not just let the band write a new tune with the same cheer? It's not like pedo-glitter actually wrote the lyrics, just the tune.

Tribal Warfare
06-16-2006, 10:18 AM
How about "Hell Bent for Leather" being that the football is made of leather?


"Another Thing Commin"

Judas Priest

dtebbe
06-16-2006, 10:39 AM
At least we still have the "first down" chant.

I think the band should just do the bass drum line from RR Part 2 and let the crowd do the rest.

DT

ExtremeChief
06-16-2006, 11:56 AM
Here's my entry for the Chiefs fight song, sung to the tune of "My Country 'Tis of Thee".

I'm rooting for the Chiefs
Here at home in my briefs
Oh dammit Carl

Land of the offense pride
Land where the defense died
Chester McGlockton was offside
Oh dammit Carl


that's teh funny rite there!!!!

ROFL

MOhillbilly
06-16-2006, 12:08 PM
Here's my entry for the Chiefs fight song, sung to the tune of "My Country 'Tis of Thee".

I'm rooting for the Chiefs
Here at home in my briefs
Oh dammit Carl

Land of the offense pride
Land where the defense died
Chester McGlockton was offside
Oh dammit Carl


sooooo rad!

Rain Man
06-16-2006, 12:25 PM
Just FYI, I've added a second verse in Logical's song contest thread. I'm hoping everyone will sing it on opening day if it wins.

Nzoner
06-16-2006, 01:33 PM
Just FYI, I've added a second verse in Logical's song contest thread. I'm hoping everyone will sing it on opening day if it wins.

Yours would be good before or after the National Anthem mine would work for the td celebration or did you even read mine?








It's okay if you don't like it,tell me,I can take it.
:)

Calcountry
06-16-2006, 03:36 PM
Yeah, but imagine the stadium after touchdowns without "We're gonna beat the hell outa you!!!"That definitely sets the Chiefs fans at Arrowhead apart from all the other ghey renditions of the song.

To the unitiated, it sounds like an Indian War cry.

80K zealous fans going YOU YOU YOU AND YOU all at the same time.

The TV announcers have to pause to let you all clear before they can complete their comments on the TD.

I love it, don't ever change it. Know this, that I am pounding my table going YOU YOU YOU AND YOU at the appropriate time out here in California.

Halfcan
06-16-2006, 09:06 PM
Oh boy, Halfcan and is minimal knowledge strikes again. Radio does not "pay pennies". They pay at least 10 cents per song for each play. That means that if 100 radio stations play the same song five times a day, the composer gets paid for each instance. It doesn't sound like much but it can add up very quickly. Hit songs can generate well more than 100k per quarter.

Performance income for composers encompasses radio, television, restaurants and live music venues. Anytime a song is played ANYWHERE, there are performance royalties due to the publisher/composer.

I could give even more confidential royalty info, but I'd hate to give our resident Elvira impersonator even more ammo to sling at me. And the stories I could share...

I said they get pennies, last time I checked 10 cents still equaled 10 pennies-you dumbf#ck!

listopencil
06-16-2006, 09:27 PM
How about...


"Nake-ed chillllllll-dren!
Hey!
Naked boys!

Nake-ed Chilllllll-dren!
Hey!
Naked boys!"





That's all I've got so far. It's a work in progress.

listopencil
06-16-2006, 09:30 PM
Imagine that. Another 100 post thread.

splatbass
06-17-2006, 03:08 AM
Performance income for composers encompasses radio, television, restaurants and live music venues. Anytime a song is played ANYWHERE, there are performance royalties due to the publisher/composer.



Maybe on paper, but it doesn't happen in bars. I've played in bar bands for 25 years and have never known a bar or a band to pay royalties.

Thig Lyfe
06-17-2006, 10:04 AM
Did the NFL remove O.J. Simpson from the HOF?

He wasn't convicted.

DaneMcCloud
06-17-2006, 10:38 AM
Maybe on paper, but it doesn't happen in bars. I've played in bar bands for 25 years and have never known a bar or a band to pay royalties.


In most cases, bars pay directly to ASCAP or BMI. They pay a fee based on size, estimated business, etc. Restaurants that play music must pay as well, but they'll usuallyl pay for a music service (Muzak, etc) and the music service pays ASCAP & BMI.

But the band or DJ is never responsible for those payments which is probably why you weren't aware of this practice.

splatbass
06-17-2006, 11:36 AM
In most cases, bars pay directly to ASCAP or BMI. They pay a fee based on size, estimated business, etc. Restaurants that play music must pay as well, but they'll usuallyl pay for a music service (Muzak, etc) and the music service pays ASCAP & BMI.

But the band or DJ is never responsible for those payments which is probably why you weren't aware of this practice.


And how does ASCAP know who to give the royalties to? No one asks for a set list. Do they still charge if the band is playing original music? What if they play 50% original, does the bar only pay half?


Seriously, maybe some bigger bars pay, but I'm absolutely sure most of the small dive bars don't.

DaneMcCloud
06-17-2006, 01:00 PM
And how does ASCAP know who to give the royalties to? No one asks for a set list. Do they still charge if the band is playing original music? What if they play 50% original, does the bar only pay half?


Seriously, maybe some bigger bars pay, but I'm absolutely sure most of the small dive bars don't.

PM me if you're really interested in the details of performance royalty collections.

Bwana
06-17-2006, 01:25 PM
Screw the NFL and their PC crap. What do they think people are going to do, hear the tune and go chase around little girls? :spock:

Dipshits :shake:

Halfcan
06-17-2006, 07:31 PM
In most cases, bars pay directly to ASCAP or BMI. They pay a fee based on size, estimated business, etc. Restaurants that play music must pay as well, but they'll usuallyl pay for a music service (Muzak, etc) and the music service pays ASCAP & BMI.

But the band or DJ is never responsible for those payments which is probably why you weren't aware of this practice.


Hell its hard enough for a huge band like Van Halen to get money out of a Rapper like Tone Loc when he directly samples "Jamie Cryin" and makes millions.

Or

Vanilla Ice ripping off Queen.

You really think some part time bar band is going to pay Royalties?? I appreciate your zest for the law, but step out of Wonderland.

DaneMcCloud
06-17-2006, 08:35 PM
Hell its hard enough for a huge band like Van Halen to get money out of a Rapper like Tone Loc when he directly samples "Jamie Cryin" and makes millions.

Or

Vanilla Ice ripping off Queen.

You really think some part time bar band is going to pay Royalties?? I appreciate your zest for the law, but step out of Wonderland.

You SERIOUSLY don't know what you're talking about. The Van Halen case, which wasn't a case, nor was there any court proceedings, was the one of the first instances of sampling. For each song that's sampled, ownership rights must be determined before ANY publishing rights are paid. Once something's been recorded, anyone can cover or sample a song. The usage has to licensed through the Harry Fox Agency where the song splits are determined.

Tone Loc may have "made millions" from the artist end of his record deal, but he didn't retain 100% of the publishing or composer rights. I'm guessing he was allowed to keep around 50% but since I never worked at Warner Chappell, I can't tell you for sure. But Van Halen was definitely paid their mechanical and performance royalties. Believe or not, the music publishing business is pretty much an exact industry because the laws that govern it have been set forth by the US Congress.

And yes, bars and restaurants are required to pay either ASCAP or BMI if they're going to have live or recorded music. If you're really interested in learning more, go to ASCAP or BMI.com or PM me.

Halfcan
06-17-2006, 09:01 PM
You SERIOUSLY don't know what you're talking about. The Van Halen case, which wasn't a case, nor was there any court proceedings, was the one of the first instances of sampling. For each song that's sampled, ownership rights must be determined before ANY publishing rights are paid. Once something's been recorded, anyone can cover or sample a song. The usage has to licensed through the Harry Fox Agency where the song splits are determined.

Tone Loc may have "made millions" from the artist end of his record deal, but he didn't retain 100% of the publishing or composer rights. I'm guessing he was allowed to keep around 50% but since I never worked at Warner Chappell, I can't tell you for sure. But Van Halen was definitely paid their mechanical and performance royalties. Believe or not, the music publishing business is pretty much an exact industry because the laws that govern it have been set forth by the US Congress.

And yes, bars and restaurants are required to pay either ASCAP or BMI if they're going to have live or recorded music. If you're really interested in learning more, go to ASCAP or BMI.com or PM me.


I have had friends that have owned bars and restaurants and they never paid a dime.

As for VH-Eddie himself said he heard the song on the radio and instantly reconized his brother's drumming. It might have been settled out of court-but Tone did not have permission.

Queen and David Bowie sued Ice if I remember right. Or I think they sent Suge over to hang him out a balcony by his nads-lol "Where's my money Biatch!"

Who enforces bars anyway-the ASCAP police. I have an unpublished book that I copyrighted and is in the Library of Congress-material in that book-I personally used on my own website-and was ripped off. Yes I can sue if I can track down the webmaster-but is it worth the money-no. That is my point-who polices and tracks down every song played on a jukebox in some bar-or goes and watches every freakin band and counts customers-noone. Just because the law is clear-does not make it relevant in life.

Weed is illegal-but people still do it.

Bob Dole
06-17-2006, 09:43 PM
I have had friends that have owned bars and restaurants and they never paid a dime.

Then they're just rolling the dice and have won so far.

It's not really very cost prohibitive to do the right thing and pay the annual performance royalties... It's a hell of a lot cheaper than what they're going to pay if they happen to get caught.

splatbass
06-17-2006, 10:36 PM
You SERIOUSLY don't know what you're talking about. The Van Halen case, which wasn't a case, nor was there any court proceedings, was the one of the first instances of sampling. For each song that's sampled, ownership rights must be determined before ANY publishing rights are paid. Once something's been recorded, anyone can cover or sample a song. The usage has to licensed through the Harry Fox Agency where the song splits are determined.

Tone Loc may have "made millions" from the artist end of his record deal, but he didn't retain 100% of the publishing or composer rights. I'm guessing he was allowed to keep around 50% but since I never worked at Warner Chappell, I can't tell you for sure. But Van Halen was definitely paid their mechanical and performance royalties. Believe or not, the music publishing business is pretty much an exact industry because the laws that govern it have been set forth by the US Congress.

And yes, bars and restaurants are required to pay either ASCAP or BMI if they're going to have live or recorded music. If you're really interested in learning more, go to ASCAP or BMI.com or PM me.

OK, explain this to me, from the BMI web site:

businesses need to obtain a performing rights license for each song used even if the music is only for their employee's enjoyment.

It does not matter how the song is performed. Be it a live band, radio, CD or tape, the music user must have the permission of the song's owner to perform it in their place of business.

How? I've never had a bar manager ask me for a set list, or what artists own the songs we play. We have over 100 songs on our list (we don't play them all on each gig obviously), so how do they get permission from the owner of each song? They wouldn't even know whether ASCAP, BMI, or someone else owned the rights.

And how about private functions, like weddings? My band plays a lot of private parties, weddings, things like that. I know no one pays for those events.

IMO they should be paying US for promoting their music.

alnorth
06-17-2006, 10:48 PM
ok, this may be a stupid question, but have the Chiefs actually said they would honor the request? I mean, the NFL has admitted that any of the teams could tell the league to go to hell on this issue.

Halfcan
06-17-2006, 11:17 PM
Then they're just rolling the dice and have won so far.

It's not really very cost prohibitive to do the right thing and pay the annual performance royalties... It's a hell of a lot cheaper than what they're going to pay if they happen to get caught.


I was in a bar recently, and they were playing CD's, radio, satelite radio, the jukebox. There is no way the wrote down each song and tallied the patrons, then sent money to some Corporation. And they did not get permission before hand to play what they want.

I understand it is the law-but it is like Jaywalking-everyone does it and noone gives a shit.

Halfcan
06-17-2006, 11:18 PM
Don't even get me started on downloading music files.

DaneMcCloud
06-18-2006, 09:24 PM
I have had friends that have owned bars and restaurants and they never paid a dime.

As for VH-Eddie himself said he heard the song on the radio and instantly reconized his brother's drumming. It might have been settled out of court-but Tone did not have permission.

Queen and David Bowie sued Ice if I remember right. Or I think they sent Suge over to hang him out a balcony by his nads-lol "Where's my money Biatch!"

Who enforces bars anyway-the ASCAP police. I have an unpublished book that I copyrighted and is in the Library of Congress-material in that book-I personally used on my own website-and was ripped off. Yes I can sue if I can track down the webmaster-but is it worth the money-no. That is my point-who polices and tracks down every song played on a jukebox in some bar-or goes and watches every freakin band and counts customers-noone. Just because the law is clear-does not make it relevant in life.

Weed is illegal-but people still do it.

No one needs permission to cover a song or to sample a song. Once it's been released or published, all that's needed is a compulsory license which is granted by the Harry Fox Agency. As I stated earlier, no publishing royalties can be paid to anyone until the song splits are negotiated and agreed upon. Quite often, publishing money is withheld while publishers are trying to determine their fair share of a song. It's very common in Rap music for an album to take a year or more before agreeing on the sampling/song splits and because of that, many publishers are not giving advances on future royalties to rap artists.

Eddie Van Halen is one of dumbest people on the planet and didn't know what he was talking about. He also got his fair share of royalties, just like Bowie/Mercury. Sampling is all "old hat" these days and people are and always have been paid.

Regarding BMI & ASCAP's collection and payments of performance royaties, you guys either need to browse the internet or contact them directly. This isn't exactly the forum in which to explain how performance royalties are collected. But in a nutshell, distribution of performance royalties on nightclub and restaurant usage is allocated by what songs are currently charting during that quarter on the various Billboard airplay charts. BMI & ASCAP use different formulas for their calculations and because of that, often times one PRS (performing rights society) will pay more money than the other if there are two or more composers and each is affiliated with a different PRS (you can probably through SESAC in there as well, because they are growing). In those instances, each PRS would generally match payments with proper documentation.

Downloading isn't considered a performance, it's considered a mechanical and is paid in an entirely different way. And yes, companies like iTunes do report to the labels who in turn, pay the proper royalties. In 2005, iTunes collected over 850 million dollars and kept 35% of that. Not too shabby.

Again, if you guys have any further questions, please PM me. This will be my last public response to these questions because I'm sure that most of the forum members aren't interested in this topic.

Dane