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Rain Man
06-15-2006, 10:57 AM
This site promotes several options for us, which already have lobbyists in place.

http://www.geocities.com/us_int/

Be prepared to defend your answers.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 11:06 AM
I went with Canada (one state per province), Puerto Rico and the USVI as one state, Guyana, Sardinia, and Latvia.

I like them all, but the rest are either too large for us to safely swallow or too small to be a viable state.

Canada should be a state just because they're already more or less the same community anyway.

Puerto Rico and the USVI because they've waited long enough.

Guyana, Sardinia, and Latvia because it'd be nice to have a U.S. state in those parts of the world, both for security and for tourism. Can you imagine the allure of a Disney theme park in the actual Amazon?

StcChief
06-15-2006, 11:09 AM
Did we forget Mexico, half the population is here already

Raiderhader
06-15-2006, 11:09 AM
No more new states. Did we learn nothing with Oklahoma?


LOL!

4th and Long
06-15-2006, 11:09 AM
Do we have an option of getting rid of a state too? Hell, Texas is already Northern Mexico.

chiefqueen
06-15-2006, 11:13 AM
We fought to rid ourselves of Britian 230+ years ago, why do we want to include them?

Bootlegged
06-15-2006, 11:16 AM
Hopefully we can get some value for New Hampshire & Rhode Island. Italy, maybe?

ct
06-15-2006, 11:16 AM
Other - Mexico, with several states. Like was already mentioned, half of them are here anyway, that would solve the illegals issue.

Also voted for multi-states Canada and Britian, whose societies are nearly the same.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 11:16 AM
Did we forget Mexico, half the population is here already

I'm only going with the candidates listed on the web site. I'm surprised that Mexico isn't on their list, though.

chagrin
06-15-2006, 11:17 AM
Did we forget Mexico, half the population is here already


I don't know, would having Mexico work? Would the Mexicans work? Wouldn't our economy crash almost immediately and not recover? Since the Immigrants would be citizens right away, would they still want the jobs Americans don't want?

Just some questions...

I would think that having Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands would be the best choice, based on the income they would contribute.

Canada has some good places, but all in all, too much land and not enough money to add to ours

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 11:18 AM
Hopefully we can get some value for New Hampshire & Rhode Island. Italy, maybe?


I read the other day that the Dutch, who used to control New York City, traded the area to the English for Surinam. I thought it was an interesting trade.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-15-2006, 11:18 AM
I went with Lativa and Multi-state Canada.

ct
06-15-2006, 11:26 AM
I read the other day that the Dutch, who used to control New York City, traded the area to the English for Surinam. I thought it was an interesting trade.

Maybe they tired of the stench emanating up from New Jersey too.

SNR
06-15-2006, 11:31 AM
Can we count each Canadian province as one state, but leave behind the French-speaking provinces? :#

58-4ever
06-15-2006, 11:37 AM
I take exception to the Oklahoma option! :cuss:

58-4ever
06-15-2006, 11:38 AM
But seriously, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. First of all, our baseball team would instantly get a lot stronger with Puerto Ricans on the national team.

SPchief
06-15-2006, 11:38 AM
Who voted for the ****ing british??

SNR
06-15-2006, 11:50 AM
Who voted for the ****ing british??It's obvious. For those smokin hot British birds

Rausch
06-15-2006, 11:52 AM
Who voted for the ****ing british??

I did. Why Canada?

"You know, I was sitting there eating lunch today just thinking that what America really needs right now is more frenchman..."

:shake:

StcChief
06-15-2006, 11:52 AM
Canada sounds like the western provicences are ready to leave, bring 'em in. BC, Alberta

PR and USVI as a state, I thought would happen by now.

What about Cuba...when castro dies I guess we could help setup a gov't there...

And stop the cigar ban.

SPchief
06-15-2006, 12:01 PM
I did. Why Canada?

"You know, I was sitting there eating lunch today just thinking that what America really needs right now is more frenchman..."

:shake:


I agree with you on the frenchies, but its still the ****ing british though. If we allow them in they might want to start driving on the left side of the road or make us use the metric system or some shit.

SNR
06-15-2006, 12:02 PM
I did. Why Canada?

"You know, I was sitting there eating lunch today just thinking that what America really needs right now is more frenchman..."

:shake:That's why I'm fine with BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. Actually, those others up north like Nunavut and Yukon can go f themselves too along with Quebec

The Pedestrian
06-15-2006, 12:15 PM
Mexico's in as three states. We will cancel out their votes by also admitting everyone who's just claiming to be our "territories" plus Britain, Israel, and Ireland. Oh, and FWIW, we're taking North Ireland so we can reunite it with South Ireland.

NJ Chief Fan
06-15-2006, 12:18 PM
why dont we just take over the world and freakin greenland can be the new washington dc

The Pedestrian
06-15-2006, 12:26 PM
why dont we just take over the world and freakin greenland can be the new washington dc

I'm eventually going to take over the world, but why the hell would Greenland be the new WDC?

CanadianChief
06-15-2006, 12:34 PM
That's why I'm fine with BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. Actually, those others up north like Nunavut and Yukon can go f themselves too along with Quebec


Don't forget about including those crazy Newfies...they drink like a fish and talk like a drunkin pirate.

NJ Chief Fan
06-15-2006, 12:39 PM
I'm eventually going to take over the world, but why the hell would Greenland be the new WDC?
so if someone like bush was president there balls would freeze and hopefully just die of frost bite

pr_capone
06-15-2006, 12:39 PM
Puerto Rico and the USVI because they've waited long enough.


As a Puerto Rican that has lived half his life on the island... I can tell you one thing for certain.

Puerto Ricans in no way shape or form want to be a state of the U.S. We dont mind being a territory as we both benefit from the arangement. We saw what happened to Hawaii and how they lost so much of their culture... Hawaii was Americanized. Not necessarily a bad thing.... but thats not what we are looking for.

http://ri.essortment.com/puertoricansta_rdla.htm



VIEW OF COMMONWEALTH STATUS

The view of the continuance of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is the most popular position with 69.4% of US Puerto Ricans support. Voters cast a 48.6% decision in favor of remaining a commonwealth of the United States. Of the commonwealth proponents 71.4% are first generation Americans, 24% are second generation, and 4.5% are third generation. The political ideologies of commonwealth proponents are 27% liberal, 26.5% moderate, and 46.5 conservative. The language ability is as follows: Only English 2%, better in English 26.3%, no difference 25.5%, better in Spanish 38.1% and only in Spanish 8.1% .

Meh... its a mute point anyways. It will prolly happen eventually wether they want it or not.

vailpass
06-15-2006, 12:44 PM
Who voted for the ****ing british??

I did. We would economically and militarily kick ass, plus everyone would have to stop saying the US has no history. We would instantly become hundreds of years older and have some really good domestic beers.

vailpass
06-15-2006, 12:46 PM
As a Puerto Rican that has lived half his life on the island... I can tell you one thing for certain.

Puerto Ricans in no way shape or form want to be a state of the U.S.

You will do what we tell you to do when we tell you to do it.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 12:49 PM
As a Puerto Rican that has lived half his life on the island... I can tell you one thing for certain.

Puerto Ricans in no way shape or form want to be a state of the U.S. We dont mind being a territory as we both benefit from the arangement. We saw what happened to Hawaii and how they lost so much of their culture... Hawaii was Americanized. Not necessarily a bad thing.... but thats not what we are looking for.



Gitouttahere. I read in my Weekly Reader in 1971 that Puerto Rico was dying to become a state, and the U.S. was holding them back.

Things change so quickly.

Rausch
06-15-2006, 12:52 PM
I agree with you on the frenchies, but its still the ****ing british though. If we allow them in they might want to start driving on the left side of the road or make us use the metric system or some shit.

Oh, I think their days of telling us what to do are long gone...

Rausch
06-15-2006, 12:54 PM
Don't forget about including those crazy Newfies...they drink like a fish and talk like a drunkin pirate.

My kinda' people...

alanm
06-15-2006, 12:54 PM
Guam. Their so far away they won't bother us too much. :)

chagrin
06-15-2006, 12:55 PM
As a Puerto Rican that has lived half his life on the island... I can tell you one thing for certain.

Puerto Ricans in no way shape or form want to be a state of the U.S. We dont mind being a territory as we both benefit from the arangement. Meh... its a (moot) point anyways. It will prolly happen eventually wether they want it or not.


This might end up coming across as me being a jerk, but I have to say this as an American born and raised (my family being here for over 175 years)
and dude, you will probably get pissed at me but I want you to know that this is not meant to inflame you, but I am responding to that particular statement, okay?

I really find it offensive that your people would come over here, reap the benefits of being an American citizen, constantly bitch about being repsected and forcing us to have Puerto Rican days, shove your culture down our throats, then claim not to want to be part of the US? I have to call bullshit on this. Have you been to Florida? The people here LOVE America, and don't want to go back to Puerto Rico, they know where thier bread's buttered

I think Puerto Rico has a fine tradition, great food, and very cool people as far as I know (because I do know alot of Puerto Ricans, and they are all pretty cool to me) but I simply do not believe your statement. It wouldn't be a territory if they didn't want it to be.

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 12:58 PM
We don't have Puerto Rico days here in Colorado, chagrin, so you're welcome to move here. However, we do have Mexican holidays, Native American holidays, and a couple of American Bison holidays.

pr_capone
06-15-2006, 01:06 PM
This might end up coming across as me being a jerk, but I have to say this as an American born and raised (my family being here for over 175 years)
and dude, you will probably get pissed at me but I want you to know that this is not meant to inflame you, but I am responding to that particular statement, okay?

I really find it offensive that your people would come over here, reap the benefits of being an American citizen, constantly bitch about being repsected and forcing us to have Puerto Rican days, shove your culture down our throats, then claim not to want to be part of the US? I have to call bullshit on this. Have you been to Florida? The people here LOVE America, and don't want to go back to Puerto Rico, they know where thier bread's buttered

I think Puerto Rico has a fine tradition, great food, and very cool people as far as I know (because I do know alot of Puerto Ricans, and they are all pretty cool to me) but I simply do not believe your statement. It wouldn't be a territory if they didn't want it to be.

I understand where you are comming from. First though, I would like to point out that the reason that most Florida hispanics love the US, you will find, is that the majority of them are from Cuba.... not Puerto Rico. New York and New Jersey have the highest Puerto Rican population in the US. Not that it matters... your point is still valid, simply replace Florida for NY or NJ.

I should also point out that Puerto Rico also serves a military purpose for the U.S. This being the only reason as to why they are keeping the island as a territory at all.

Puerto Ricans dont mind being a territory of the U.S., especially since they gain so much and have to give so little in return. But as you said... we are American Citizens. As for Puerto Rican days... I have heard of the Puerto Rican Day parade in NY... but I dont believe there is a national Puerto Rican Day.

As for shoving our culture down your throats.... how and where? If anything (I'm guessing you live in Florida since you refered to it as "here"), its the Cubans living in Florida who are doing the "shoving of culture". :D

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:09 PM
We don't have Puerto Rico days here in Colorado, chagrin, so you're welcome to move here. However, we do have Mexican holidays, Native American holidays, and a couple of American Bison holidays.

I lived in Colorado already and am all too familiar with the area - Denver is a cesspool and you've got to move out into the Burbs to get anywhere nice, or far out west - but I might if you promise to something with Pueblo, oh yeah and Fountain, and the City of Denver itself. On second thought, I would probably be going right back into the same situation...

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:11 PM
I like Puerto Rico and would gladly accept it as a state, along with the Virgin Islands, as I stated before - at least they would have something to offer our economy.

Western Canada is pretty and all, but northern Canada - if we're including places like Winterpegg, would have nothing to contribute financially, would they?

Rain Man
06-15-2006, 01:13 PM
I lived in Colorado already and am all too familiar with the area - Denver is a cesspool and you've got to move out into the Burbs to get anywhere nice, or far out west - but I might if you promise to something with Pueblo, oh yeah and Fountain, and the City of Denver itself. On second thought, I would probably be going right back into the same situation...


You're a crazy man. Central Denver is awesome. Beautiful architecture, proximity to all sorts of culture, parks all over the place...I think you've been hit in the head by one too many hurricanes.

58-4ever
06-15-2006, 01:14 PM
I like Puerto Rico and would gladly accept it as a state, along with the Virgin Islands, as I stated before - at least they would have something to offer our economy.

Western Canada is pretty and all, but northern Canada - if we're including places like Winterpegg, would have nothing to contribute financially, would they?

But, Canada would have a fit if they could no longer have weed and socialized medicine. Civil War!

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:22 PM
I understand where you are comming from. First though, I would like to point out that the reason that most Florida hispanics love the US, you will find, is that the majority of them are from Cuba.... not Puerto Rico. New York and New Jersey have the highest Puerto Rican population in the US. Not that it matters... your point is still valid, simply replace Florida for NY or NJ.



Well, I don't really have a problem with the culture, but I REALLY don't want NJ down here either... :banghead:

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:27 PM
You're a crazy man. Central Denver is awesome. Beautiful architecture, proximity to all sorts of culture, parks all over the place...I think you've been hit in the head by one too many hurricanes.

In my own defense, I haven't been there in 8 years, but I lived in Colorado Springs, and went up to Denver alot to fly out of DIA and also went to Oktoberfest (coorsfest) in the downtown area - sure, the downtown streets may be nice - but I wouldn't live there

pr_capone
06-15-2006, 01:27 PM
Well, I don't really have a problem with the culture, but I REALLY don't want NJ down here either... :banghead:

You know what you need????

Some Puerto Rican culture!!!!!!!! ROFL

http://www.census.gov/robos/www/images/puerto-rico-big-flag.jpg

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=pr_capone]You know what you need????

Some Puerto Rican culture!!!!!!!! ROFL

I have plenty already, I told ya I live in Central Florida, a mainly Puerto Rican area


http://tinyurl.com/olaoz

pr_capone
06-15-2006, 01:37 PM
[QUOTE=pr_capone]You know what you need????

Some Puerto Rican culture!!!!!!!! ROFL

I have plenty already, I told ya I live in Central Florida, a mainly Puerto Rican area


http://tinyurl.com/olaoz

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestro_Himno

The idea for the song came from British music executive Adam Kidron, as a show of support to Hispanic immigrants in the United States. Kidron has said that the song also will be featured on the album Somos Americanos, which will sell for US$10, of which $1 will go to the National Capital Immigration Coalition, a Washington, D.C.-based group.

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:46 PM
Yes, I know - that's why I deleted it from my post.

CanadianChief
06-15-2006, 01:51 PM
I like Puerto Rico and would gladly accept it as a state, along with the Virgin Islands, as I stated before - at least they would have something to offer our economy.

Western Canada is pretty and all, but northern Canada - if we're including places like Winterpegg, would have nothing to contribute financially, would they?


We've got plenty of gay bars and swingers clubs to contribute!!!!

CanadianChief
06-15-2006, 01:54 PM
I like Puerto Rico and would gladly accept it as a state, along with the Virgin Islands, as I stated before - at least they would have something to offer our economy.

Western Canada is pretty and all, but northern Canada - if we're including places like Winterpegg, would have nothing to contribute financially, would they?


...by the way Winterpeg is only 1 hr from the North Dakota border so I wouldn't exactly consider it Northern Canada.

I also agree that we don't have much to contribute in this province unless you're into hunting and fishing...or like I said earlier gay bars or swingers clubs.

chagrin
06-15-2006, 01:55 PM
We've got plenty of gay bars and swingers clubs to contribute!!!!


:spock:
That was scary

Nevermind, you already answered that question.


Okay, thanks for setting me straight on the winterpeg thing...

CanadianChief
06-15-2006, 01:57 PM
:spock:
That was scary

Hey dude, do you live up in the Northern Territory?


I'm from this Winterpegg place you speak of. It's only a short 13 hr drive to KC!!!!

Frosty
06-15-2006, 01:58 PM
Back in the '70s, there was move to split eastern Washington, north Idaho and NW Montana and form a new state called Lincoln. That's the one I would choose in a heartbeat. :thumb:

pr_capone
06-15-2006, 01:59 PM
Yes, I know - that's why I deleted it from my post.

Ahh.... I started to quote before your edit. lol

patteeu
06-15-2006, 02:31 PM
You're a crazy man. Central Denver is awesome. Beautiful architecture, proximity to all sorts of culture, parks all over the place...I think you've been hit in the head by one too many hurricanes.

It's sad to see a former Missourian going native in the lands of the unwashed like this.

BucEyedPea
06-15-2006, 02:37 PM
I picked Taiwan...to protect it from China.

Canadians are too hopelessly socialistic...we don't need them.

pr_capone
06-15-2006, 02:50 PM
This site promotes several options for us, which already have lobbyists in place.

http://www.geocities.com/us_int/

Be prepared to defend your answers.

A quote taken from the site you posted regarding Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico suffers from confused identity and divided mind. It doesn't know whether it is "American" or "Latin American", a "country" or only part of a larger country. And Puerto Ricans don't know whether they are "Americans" or just "Puerto Ricans".

I have to say that this is completely innacurate. Puerto Ricans as a whole know exactly who and what we are. We are Puerto Ricans and we have American citizenship.

The island of Puerto Rico is a country, just like the island of Cuba or Jamaica are countries. We also realize that we are part of something bigger.

vailpass
06-15-2006, 02:55 PM
You're a crazy man. Central Denver is awesome. Beautiful architecture, proximity to all sorts of culture, parks all over the place...I think you've been hit in the head by one too many hurricanes.

I almost always find myself in agreement with Chagrin but I gotta' go with Rain on this one. Denver is one of the most attractive cities in America with the added bonus of being a short drive away from some of the most beautiful awe-inspiring country in the world.

BucEyedPea
06-15-2006, 04:22 PM
I almost always find myself in agreement with Chagrin but I gotta' go with Rain on this one. Denver is one of the most attractive cities in America with the added bonus of being a short drive away from some of the most beautiful awe-inspiring country in the world.


I've only been in the Denver airport but Colorado has some beautiful country.
I've skied Aspen.

However, Boston is America's most charming city and our most European. Nothing compares except Nawlin's may come close. Only Boston is more English influence.

If you've been to London it's so similar. Not to mention the quaint charm of surrounding New England, it's national seashore from Cape Cod to rugged Maine ( including the beautiful wilderness of the northern inland sections) and White mountains...not that these mountains are more majestic than the Rockies because they're not.

listopencil
06-15-2006, 04:30 PM
"Britain, with several states (England, Wales, Scotland, etc.)"



Just to get Scotland.

CosmicPal
06-15-2006, 04:32 PM
You can't have 51 States. That's just not right. Think of all the flags that have to be changed just to add one more star. And where the heck are you gonna put that star?

Adept Havelock
06-15-2006, 04:33 PM
Lichtenstein and Monaco.

ChiefaRoo
06-15-2006, 04:38 PM
why dont we just take over the world and freakin greenland can be the new washington dc


In a way we already have

Calcountry
06-15-2006, 04:42 PM
You can't have 51 States. That's just not right. Think of all the flags that have to be changed just to add one more star. And where the heck are you gonna put that star?Dude, this is 2006, not Betsy Ross time. I am sure there are computers that can divide the space and size the stars proportionally so that you wouldn't hardly notice.

vailpass
06-15-2006, 04:44 PM
I've only been in the Denver airport but Colorado has some beautiful country.
I've skied Aspen.

However, Boston is America's most charming city and our most European. Nothing compares except Nawlin's may come close. Only Boston is more English influence.

If you've been to London it's so similar. Not to mention the quaint charm of surrounding New England, it's national seashore from Cape Cod to rugged Maine ( including the beautiful wilderness of the northern inland sections) and White mountains...not that these mountains are more majestic than the Rockies because they're not.

European does NOT always mean charming. It is all personal preference. In your opinion Boston is charming, to many it is crowded, impossible to drive in, and packed with disagreeable people. South end is not charming.

I also find some of the East charming. I like Rhode Island the best of the Eastern seaboard states. While it is certainly your right to favor the East Coast there are many who avoid it like the plague.

As another example of how opinions can differ: although interesting in parts I find Nawlins to be one of the biggest shitholes in America. (sorry Chagrin)

ChiefaRoo
06-15-2006, 04:48 PM
As a Puerto Rican that has lived half his life on the island... I can tell you one thing for certain.

Puerto Ricans in no way shape or form want to be a state of the U.S. We dont mind being a territory as we both benefit from the arangement. We saw what happened to Hawaii and how they lost so much of their culture... Hawaii was Americanized. Not necessarily a bad thing.... but thats not what we are looking for.

http://ri.essortment.com/puertoricansta_rdla.htm








Meh... its a mute point anyways. It will prolly happen eventually wether they want it or not.



I love Puerto Rico. My G-pa has retired down there since the late 80's and I have two blonde headed cousins who were born and raised there. I get there on vacation every year at least once and I've dated a couple of PR girls who are sexy, fun and good people. However, I disagree with Capone, to say that PR culture would change if it became a state is silly. All PR's are already Americans and secondly PR is already completely Americanized all the way down to the money. It's true the culture is unique but then so is the culture of every state in the Union. The PR culture wouldn't change in any way if it became a state.

PR has it good as a territory. It gets money from the Feds like a state already and local issues get handled without too much hassle from the Fed. govt. Conversely, I'm glad the US Sentate and house don't have to worry about the nutty pols that would undoubtably come out of PR if they became a state.

ChiefaRoo
06-15-2006, 04:53 PM
I picked Taiwan...to protect it from China.

Canadians are too hopelessly socialistic...we don't need them.

Western Canada isn't but I do agree there too damn nice to be Americans. :)

BucEyedPea
06-15-2006, 05:03 PM
European does NOT always mean charming. It is all personal preference. In your opinion Boston is charming, to many it is crowded, impossible to drive in, and packed with disagreeable people. South end is not charming.

I also find some of the East charming. I like Rhode Island the best of the Eastern seaboard states. While it is certainly your right to favor the East Coast there are many who avoid it like the plague.

As another example of how opinions can differ: although interesting in parts I find Nawlins to be one of the biggest shitholes in America. (sorry Chagrin)

Well, as an artist, I am very visual...so that's really what I am talking about because it was posted in response to the beautiful country outside of Denver.
You can't beat it for charm...and Rhode Island, a part of NE is tops too...particularly the Newport waterfront area. NE outside of Boston is pretty, quaint and charming in a colonial sense and most people seem to agree.

I love European cultural charm of old architecture, castles, chateau's and cathedrals as opposed to the the cinderblock chic of Florida.

You're certainly right though that Boston has become very crowded, has extensive urban sprawl and is tough to drive in. But you get used to driving in the madness or don't drive at all. It's also become far too expensive.

I've hear from outsiders it is not considered friendly. That's hard for me to determine being from there as they're my people. But now that I've lived outside of it, I do find other parts of the country to be friendlier...particularly the south, which in some respects is too friendly in an intrusive manner. But that's my NE reservedness and privacy kicking in I guess.

Nowlin's is pretty dirty...but again as an artist I can see beyond that to the charm of the architecture which again is European.

I wouldn't want a European govt though.

vailpass
06-15-2006, 05:17 PM
Well, as an artist, I am very visual...so that's really what I am talking about because it was posted in response to the beautiful country outside of Denver.
You can't beat it for charm...and Rhode Island, a part of NE is tops too...particularly the Newport waterfront area. NE outside of Boston is pretty, quaint and charming in a colonial sense and most people seem to agree.

I love European cultural charm of old architecture, castles, chateau's and cathedrals as opposed to the the cinderblock chic of Florida.

You're certainly right though that Boston has become very crowded, has extensive urban sprawl and is tough to drive in. But you get used to driving in the madness or don't drive at all. It's also become far too expensive.

I've hear from outsiders it is not considered friendly. That's hard for me to determine being from there as they're my people. But now that I've lived outside of it, I do find other parts of the country to be friendlier...particularly the south, which in some respects is too friendly in an intrusive manner. But that's my NE reservedness and privacy kicking in I guess.

Nowlin's is pretty dirty...but again as an artist I can see beyond that to the charm of the architecture which again is European.

I wouldn't want a European govt though.

Knowing that your perspective is that of an artist makes it easy to understand your viewpoint. Thanks.
FTR I have only been to Boston once and enjoyed my 2 days there very much.

PastorMikH
06-15-2006, 05:38 PM
No more new states. Did we learn nothing with Oklahoma?

:# :#:#


It could be worse. I could be living in Denver surrounded by Donkey fans. :harumph:

PastorMikH
06-15-2006, 06:34 PM
I'd like to first see English declared as the national language, then Mexico be granted statehood and require all of the new citizens to learn english.