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WisChief
11-30-2000, 08:27 AM
There has been alot of talk lately about Carl bolting (no pun intended)and us wanting Gun and the stooges gone. So, if/when this happens do we want one person to do it all or do we seperate?

I say lets go with the Holmgren/Rat/D. Green situation and one guy does it all.

Cannibal
11-30-2000, 08:31 AM
If it's the right candidate I agree with you.

But there is no one of that ilk available at the moment.<BR>

morphius
11-30-2000, 08:34 AM
I don't like that as much, I think Holmgren has begun to prove that he can't seperate the jobs and is losing because of it. Give me a good coach who has a lot of say in who and what kind of players he wants, but doesn't have to deal with the advertising and all that kind of crap. Also I think it is best when the Coach is not part of the negotiations, easier to seperate the anomosity between players and coaches when the anomosity is between the GM and the player.

Morphius
Might just be me.

ck_IN
11-30-2000, 08:37 AM
I can't think offhand of any case where the combined GM/HC position has worked. (The jury is still out in Seattle)

I think they need to be seperate to counter-balance each other. It also allows the player to seperate them and the feelings that may result from tough contract talks.

WisChief
11-30-2000, 08:55 AM
"I can't think offhand of any case where the combined GM/HC position has worked. (The jury is still out in Seattle)"

CK - wasn't Rat GM/HC when Denver did it and I would consider Denny Green successful in Minny.

Morph - good point on the seperation stuff - now I don't know how I feel??? :confused:

kcred
11-30-2000, 08:59 AM
The three biggest names, recently, that come to mind, Parcells, Johnsen, and Holmgren, none have won the SB with the teams they held this title. Of course, the jury is still out on Holmgren, but is it coincidental, that burnout accelerated after getting such a job?

kcred
11-30-2000, 09:01 AM
I thought Minny had a GM. It may be for the "other" responsibilities, but I think they do. Can't remember much about the Rat, but remember Bowlen is involved there also.

BIG_DADDY
11-30-2000, 09:05 AM
WC,
I agree with you on having one guy do it all but I think there is only one guy who could really do it. I say give Parcells anything he wants to get him here. I believe that we are in the superbowl within 2 years if we could get him sighned. A team starts with it's leaders. How many times have we seen a coach take a mediocre to good team and make them champions. We have been fairly close so many times. This IS the missing link.

BIG DADDY
Not letting go of this Parcells thing.

kcred
11-30-2000, 09:14 AM
Big Daddy, I would vote for Parcells in a New York minute, but that is the operative word there, New York, not KC. I don't believe his ego would allow him to move to a city with less limelight. There can be turnarounds, just with coaching, look at New Orleans this year. They have done it with a new coach and GM. Speaking of which, do we not now employ their old GM.

ck_IN
11-30-2000, 01:36 PM
I was under the impression that the Vikes had a GM. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.

As for the Broncs, I put an asterick by that one. Yes Shanny has done a fine job with Greise, TD, Gary, etc. But he won the SB with Elway. Elway was there long before Shanny. Chicken or egg?

I'll give him his due but I'll insist for now that the emporer has no clothes. (or at least damm flimsy ones)

ChiTown
11-30-2000, 01:59 PM
Whenever I think of a combo GM/HC, Dave Wannstedt immediately comes to mind. He puked all over himself with that title. There are very few that can carry the weight effectively, and no one in the current market that seems to make sense for us.

Given the above, I would vote to separate the 2 jobs, but get 2 personalities that are compatible for Christs sake.

Davechief
11-30-2000, 08:32 PM
I'll pop the top on a can of worms. Would Marty be capable of doing it?

Tribal Warfare
11-30-2000, 09:12 PM
Dave- I believe Marty can he'll put Kurt back where he should have been in the 1st place STs. he'll find a proper coaching staff like he did in the 90's.

morphius
11-30-2000, 09:21 PM
Chiefpriority - Stock and Raye WERE Marty's chioces as cordinators!

Morphius
Just says no to Marty...

Tribal Warfare
11-30-2000, 09:50 PM
Morph- so was Cowher, Dungy, Saunders, Herman Edwards, and Tom Rowen :cool:

[This message has been edited by ChiefPriority (edited 11-30-2000).]

morphius
11-30-2000, 09:56 PM
CP - Were most of those defensive coordinators? I seem to remember someone named Hackett here as well, and I am glad he is gone as well.

Tribal Warfare
11-30-2000, 09:59 PM
Yes they were but it's better than we have now Marty knows a good coach when he see's one like many their will be hits and misses

morphius
12-01-2000, 08:25 AM
CP - You mean he knows a good DC when he sees one. One of the reasons our QB's sucked is because of Marty's loyalty to some ex-LB that was teaching QB's how to be QB's. Which never made any sense either. Other then the DC that Marty had played himself, I don't see where he built such great staffs and having him would only fix 1/3 of the problem, what about the other 2/3?

Gaz
12-01-2000, 08:40 AM
Separate them.

GM handles the business end and the HC handles the football end. Is it likely that you will find a guy who can do both things well? Most likely, one side of the endeavor will falter at the expense of the other.

xoxo~
gaz
prefers specialists.<BR>

WisChief
12-01-2000, 08:40 AM
NO Way should marty come back to coach, but what about the GM possiblities. Someone explain exactly what the job requires.

Tribal Warfare
12-01-2000, 10:09 AM
Morph- The QB's sucked because of King Carl not finding the proper talent if you noticed at the end of the Marty era he was comming around with a more QB friendly offense. The guy's not stupid he can make changes.