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BucEyedPea
06-18-2006, 07:09 PM
Out of Canada of all places!! (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm)

NewChief
06-18-2006, 07:20 PM
Surprise, surprise. Bob Carter (http://timlambert.org/category/science/bobcarter/) is a well-known global warming "denialist" who makes his living "debunking" claims of global warming. As is Tim Ball (http://www.desmogblog.com/), and every other professor in that article. To claim that these guys are the "scientists" while the people that believe Global Warming is valid are the charlatans is as disingenous as those you wish to debunk. Get a clue. Everyone has an agenda.

BucEyedPea
06-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Everyone has an agenda.

Including those environmentalists who claim it exists right?
Over 17, 000 scientists have signed a petition saying it's not as being promoted in the alarmist manner it has been,compared to about 200 who say it is.

NewChief
06-18-2006, 07:31 PM
Including those environmentalists who claim it exists right?
Over 17, 000 scientists have signed a petition saying it's not as being promoted in the alarmist manner it has been,compared to about 200 who say it is.

That's right. Everyone has an agenda, including Al Gore and those pushing global warming. Trace the funding. I bet all of your anti-global-warming scientists reap some nice salaries/grant monies from Dow Petro and other big industries. The pro-global warmings reap salaries from lots of lefty think tanks and enviro organizations. That's the name of the game in science these days. Objectivity is out. Make the science suit your agenda is in. Just like all those who tout the infamouse Junk Science wankers everytime they want to push out some anti-enviro crap. Do the research on the idiots that run junkscience.com, and it's not hard to see where their bread is buttered.

BucEyedPea
06-18-2006, 07:38 PM
I bet all of your anti-global-warming scientists reap some nice salaries/grant monies from Dow Petro and other big industries.

Nope the Oregon Petition is not funded by any petrol or corporate interests...sorry.


Link (http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=141723&page=3&pp=15

JBucc
06-18-2006, 07:38 PM
The only scientists I trust are the mythbusters

NewChief
06-18-2006, 07:40 PM
Nope the Oregon Petition is not funding by any petrol or corporate interests...sorry.


Link (http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=141723&page=3&pp=15

I see your link, and raise you another (http://timlambert.org/2004/05/oregonpetition/).

I could play this game all night, but it's silly. Go out, open your eyes. Believe what you believe and what fits into your world view as well as justifies the way you live. It's what everyone else does.

BucEyedPea
06-18-2006, 07:47 PM
I see your link, and raise you another (http://timlambert.org/2004/05/oregonpetition/).

I could play this game all night, but it's silly. Go out, open your eyes. Believe what you believe and what fits into your world view as well as justifies the way you live. It's what everyone else does.

Sure so long as that applies to you too.

NewChief
06-18-2006, 07:59 PM
Sure so long as that applies to you too.

Of course it does. I'm human. We all pick the beliefs that justify the way we choose to live our lives, or maybe we live our lives according to our beliefs. Either way, there's a smorgasbord of experts and studies out there from which to choose that will justify your beliefs. Sitting here throwing studies at each other is silly as for every study there is a debunking.

Anyway, my point was that your title was a little misleading. It's like me saying, "English Weigh in on War with Iraq: They support Bush." and then posting an Op-Ed by Christopher Hitchens. There are plenty of scientists out there that weigh in on both sides of this issue, trying to act like all scientific opinon is encapsulated within the opinions expressed in this article is deceptive to say the least.

Donger
06-18-2006, 08:41 PM
Of course it does. I'm human. We all pick the beliefs that justify the way we choose to live our lives, or maybe we live our lives according to our beliefs. Either way, there's a smorgasbord of experts and studies out there from which to choose that will justify your beliefs. Sitting here throwing studies at each other is silly as for every study there is a debunking.

Anyway, my point was that your title was a little misleading. It's like me saying, "English Weigh in on War with Iraq: They support Bush." and then posting an Op-Ed by Christopher Hitchens. There are plenty of scientists out there that weigh in on both sides of this issue, trying to act like all scientific opinon is encapsulated within the opinions expressed in this article is deceptive to say the least.

I remember reading that the chief climatoligist and hurricane prediction weenie at the University of Colorado (apparently extremely well-respected in the climatology field) recently came out and stated that he basically thinks 'global warming,' as it pertains to humans and us causing it, is bunk.

He siad something like, 'and, every other learned climatologist would tell you the same thing, if they weren't afraid of being made pariahs.' Kind of interesting: like a reverse McCarthyism situation.

"We're all going to die, and it's our fault!!"

"Errr, no we're not."

"Kill him!"

patteeu
06-18-2006, 08:42 PM
I agree with most of what you said in this thread about agendas, NewChief, but I don't really think BucEyedPea's title is misleading. This was a response to Gore's warnings. I'm no expert on the subject, but if I had to criticize someone for claims about global warming it would be the people who say that the debate is all over and there is no longer any credible opposition to theory X. Most of those types of claims are coming from Gore's side of this debate.