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FringeNC
06-20-2006, 02:24 PM
A guy I knew in grad school recently made the news down here for getting busted in a internet sex sting operation for soliticiting sex with a child. He was probably about 40; she was 13. (Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow, by the way.) [Don't ask for specifics, the dept. is already embarrassed enough about this guy.]

Now being a libertarian myself, even for me, thirteen seems to be way too young to consent, regardless of the law. I was shocked when I looked up ages of consent...

It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!) I don't get it. These are the same socialist Europeans who think the state must protect their citizens from the evils of "Anglo-Saxon" capitalism, yet don't think 13-year old girls need protection from sexual predators. I don't get it.

chagrin
06-20-2006, 02:29 PM
"Now being a libertarian myself..."




buceye ought to be here any minute now

DJay23
06-20-2006, 02:29 PM
A guy I knew in grad school recently made the news down here for getting busted in a internet sex sting operation for soliticiting sex with a child. He was probably about 40; she was 13. (Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow, by the way.) [Don't ask for specifics, the dept. is already embarrassed enough about this guy.]

Now being a libertarian myself, even for me, thirteen seems to be way too young to consent, regardless of the law. I was shocked when I looked up ages of consent...

It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!) I don't get it. These are the same socialist Europeans who think the state must protect their citizens from the evils of "Anglo-Saxon" capitalism, yet don't think 13-year old girls need protection from sexual predators. I don't get it.
European politicians must like em young.

Tatertot13
06-20-2006, 02:30 PM
as long as there's turf on the playing field . . .

FringeNC
06-20-2006, 02:34 PM
as long as there's turf on the playing field . . .

So you wouldn't have a problem if some 40-year old dude was doing your thirteen year-old daughter? I don't have a daughter, so I don't know for sure, but my guess is that I wouldn't be too thrilled about it.

jspchief
06-20-2006, 02:38 PM
IMO, there should be a minimum age of maybe 13, then a maximum age disparity (maybe 4 years) until the age of 18. For instance, a 13 yeard old can have sex with a 17 year old, or a 17 year old can have sex with someone as old as 21.

That way, you can protect young kids from the dangers of older people in positions of control, while still being practical about teenagers having sex.

FringeNC
06-20-2006, 02:42 PM
IMO, there should be a minimum age of maybe 13, then a maximum age disparity (maybe 4 years) until the age of 18. For instance, a 13 yeard old can have sex with a 17 year old, or a 17 year old can have sex with someone as old as 21.

That way, you can protect young kids from the dangers of older people in positions of control, while still being practical about teenagers having sex.

Actually, I think that is how the law is in many states. As far as I could tell, reading about Europe, they don't make those distinctions.

jspchief
06-20-2006, 02:43 PM
Actually, I think that is how the law is in many states. As far as I could tell, reading about Europe, they don't make those distinctions.Just one of many reasons why Euros are trash.

Inspector
06-20-2006, 02:48 PM
Maybe she was hot.


(ok...that was pretty bad. I'm pretty ashamed of this one.)

Mr. Laz
06-20-2006, 05:35 PM
i always thought it was under 16 and over 18 was illegal.

Rain Man
06-20-2006, 05:55 PM
It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!)

If you offer them some candy and they say yes, is that consent? Or is it prostitution?

BucEyedPea
06-20-2006, 06:15 PM
Fringe,
I believe but am not certain they've been lowering the age of consent in Europe downward. I heard there were people in Spain that wanted it lowered to age 12.

At one time girls were married off at age 12 and 13 to men much older, as old as 40 in cases and that was the norm. The men liked them young, as they could have sex for awhile before a girl conceived. I know girls can still conceive at those ages but they thought that. Don't forget people did not live that long either.

Girls, it seems, are developing at younger ages today...as early as 8 years old. Some claim it's the hormones in the meat and dairy products doing this.

morphius
06-20-2006, 06:22 PM
I could see the age being younger in areas where life expecentcy is less, and there are large areas that need to be farmed and not a lot of technology to do it.

The US isn't in that kind of shape, so the rules are different.

chiefs4me
06-20-2006, 06:23 PM
as long as there's turf on the playing field . . .


**** *** :cuss: sick bastard

FringeNC
06-20-2006, 06:46 PM
Fringe,
I believe but am not certain they've been lowering the age of consent in Europe downward. I heard there were people in Spain that wanted it lowered to age 12.

At one time girls were married off at age 12 and 13 to men much older, as old as 40 in cases and that was the norm. The men liked them young, as they could have sex for awhile before a girl conceived. I know girls can still conceive at those ages but they thought that. Don't forget people did not live that long either.

Girls, it seems, are developing at younger ages today...as early as 8 years old. Some claim it's the hormones in the meat and dairy products doing this.

Given the sheltered upbringing many kids face, do girls (and boys -- the age of homosexual consent is the same age) have the psychologically make-up to be making those decisions at thirteen?

Now perhaps one could argue that there is no real harm done regardless...

I just find it ironic that the same European elites who think that a girl that age is capable of making intelligent decisions regarding consent, think that the adult population is incompetent and need the enlightened bureaucrats to limit freedom to prevent bad decisions. It is inconsistent, to say they least.

Simplex3
06-20-2006, 06:50 PM
So you wouldn't have a problem if some 40-year old dude was doing your thirteen year-old daughter? I don't have a daughter, so I don't know for sure, but my guess is that I wouldn't be too thrilled about it.
Wouldn't bother me in the least. Might bother his family and friends that I killed his ass and put him in a shallow grave, but I'd be fine.

Hydrae
06-20-2006, 07:14 PM
as long as there's turf on the playing field . . .

I always heard it as "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed."


And no, I don't agree so don't jump down my throat.

luv
06-21-2006, 12:56 AM
It really depends on the person. I know some 13 year olds who act more mature than those nearly twice their age. Waaaaay back, girls would get married at a very young age. They also didn't go to school as long as the boys, and were not expected to provide for their families, that being the job of the man they married. Nowadays, women are entering the work force, going to college, getting post graduate degrees, etc. They're moms were in the prime of the women's lib movement, so the idea of gender roles was not taught to them like it was to their grandmothers. It is more socially acceptable for a woman to wait until later in life before getting married. Also, children are not held responsible for their actions like they used to be. Work ethic is different. Kids are not out working in the fields when they aren't in school. Lots of things have changed. I don't think an American 13 year old girl would be ready to contemplate the responsibilities of the consequences of her actions.

Demonpenz
06-21-2006, 01:00 AM
i swear i didn't know she was 3!

greg63
06-21-2006, 01:04 AM
It really depends on the person. I know some 13 year olds who act more mature than those nearly twice their age. Waaaaay back, girls would get married at a very young age. They also didn't go to school as long as the boys, and were not expected to provide for their families, that being the job of the man they married. Nowadays, women are entering the work force, going to college, getting post graduate degrees, etc. They're moms were in the prime of the women's lib movement, so the idea of gender roles was not taught to them like it was to their grandmothers. It is more socially acceptable for a woman to wait until later in life before getting married. Also, children are not held responsible for their actions like they used to be. Work ethic is different. Kids are not out working in the fields when they aren't in school. Lots of things have changed. I don't think an American 13 year old girl would be ready to contemplate the responsibilities of the consequences of her actions.

Good post; don't know what the forty year old man's excuse is.

The Pedestrian
06-21-2006, 03:01 AM
Actually, I think that is how the law is in many states. As far as I could tell, reading about Europe, they don't make those distinctions.

Pretty much, but the courts finally decided that the minimum age of decent competence is 14...after that, Missouri and some others started saying that it's statutory rape if a 14-y/o has sex with a 13-y/o. They've also been doing some screwed up things (no pun intended) with the disparity laws--although I believe these have been fixed by now--such as the four year difference can begin when both concentors have attained the age of 15.

StcChief
06-21-2006, 06:19 AM
as long as there's turf on the playing field . . .

As a young guy I worked with once said, in front of our boss....

'Old enough to Bleed, Old enough to Breed'

That didn't go well. Boss had a 13 yo girl at the time. ROFL

King_Chief_Fan
06-21-2006, 07:22 AM
as long as there's turf on the playing field . . .

you are obviously an immature idiot.
You have any daughters? I do.
I would love for you to stand in front of me and say that.

Tatertot13
06-21-2006, 07:45 AM
you are obviously an immature idiot.
You have any daughters? I do.
I would love for you to stand in front of me and say that.

Alright, before anyone else freaks out on me, IT WAS A JOKE! I don't have any daughters, but if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't want them banging anyone (especially 40 yr old men) at 13. Sorry if I offended anyone.

BucEyedPea
06-21-2006, 07:57 AM
Given the sheltered upbringing many kids face, do girls (and boys -- the age of homosexual consent is the same age) have the psychologically make-up to be making those decisions at thirteen?

I don't know if kids are as sheltered today about sex as in the past. Seems sex is everywhere and they even get taught it in middle school today. That being said, I'm not saying I agree with lowering of consent either. I was just bringing up a historical point.

Now perhaps one could argue that there is no real harm done regardless...

I'm not making such claim.


I just find it ironic that the same European elites who think that a girl that age is capable of making intelligent decisions regarding consent, think that the adult population is incompetent and need the enlightened bureaucrats to limit freedom to prevent bad decisions. It is inconsistent, to say they least.

I'd agree...but what do you expect of socialists. Impulsive kids with hormones raging creates more irresponsible people to depend on their govts for welfare. Heh! They know how to market...gotta give 'em that.

King_Chief_Fan
06-21-2006, 08:07 AM
Alright, before anyone else freaks out on me, IT WAS A JOKE! I don't have any daughters, but if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't want them banging anyone (especially 40 yr old men) at 13. Sorry if I offended anyone.

we're good!

burt
06-21-2006, 08:18 AM
you are obviously an immature idiot.
You have any daughters? I do.
I would love for you to stand in front of me and say that.

Bad news dude, EVERY girl I have had sex with....was someone's daughter....

BucEyedPea
06-21-2006, 08:38 AM
Bad news dude, EVERY girl I have had sex with....was someone's daughter....
Do you have a daughter?

Every guy I know that has had a daughter, changes their tune, even if they were lothario's at one time. In fact they're the worst ones.

sedated
06-21-2006, 08:45 AM
Sorry if I offended anyone.

don't be such a pussy.

now, get in your white windowless van and drive away in shame

Donger
06-21-2006, 08:51 AM
Do you have a daughter?

Every guy I know that has had a daughter, changes their tune, even if they were lothario's at one time. In fact they're the worst ones.

Indeed. Daughters: God's Punishment For Being A Man.

Tatertot13
06-21-2006, 08:57 AM
don't be such a pussy.

now, get in your white windowless van and drive away in shame

actually the van is black and has the little round tinted window on each side. there is also a pair of strawberry shortcake underwear hanging from the rear view.

King_Chief_Fan
06-21-2006, 08:59 AM
Bad news dude, EVERY girl I have had sex with....was someone's daughter....
both of them huh?:)
Well, as long as they weren't mine, I will let some other dad bust your chops!

BucEyedPea
06-21-2006, 09:02 AM
Indeed. Daughters: God's Punishment For Being A Man.
How true! What a GREAT line! :thumb:

I read Mick Jagger is really tough on his girls and who they date. So much so that one of them crawled out a back window to be with her boyfriend. Yet, he's screwed so many women married or not. Can you see him with a shotgun? ROFL

Lzen
06-21-2006, 09:13 AM
Alright, before anyone else freaks out on me, IT WAS A JOKE! I don't have any daughters, but if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't want them banging anyone (especially 40 yr old men) at 13. Sorry if I offended anyone.

I know it was a joke. It was a bad joke, though. Descretion is a good thing. Try it sometime. ;)

Amnorix
06-21-2006, 11:09 AM
Alot of it is cultural. The rural areas, especially, tend to see younger people married, etc.

I can cite you royalty getting married as young as 9 in ye olden days. And, of course, the reason that Bar Mitzvah, Bat Mitzvah, Confirmation etc. all happen at around the age of puberty. That's when you're old enough to be an adult in the eyes of God, etc. ad infinitum.

And that, too, is inherited from a time when being single at 20 was considered being an old maid, etc.

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm not justifying the behavior, but Europe has the mentality that it's not the job of the government to prevent people from doing this. In America if something is morally wrong, we make it illegal. In Europe, they just don't do it.

This is the same for drinking ages. their drinking ages over there are lower and a lot less enforced, but they also don't have the binge drinking we do.

Moooo

BIG_DADDY
06-21-2006, 11:41 AM
I think we should lower it to 16 in general and then have a 14 to 17 year old dealio. JMO

Tatertot13
06-21-2006, 11:44 AM
I know it was a joke. It was a bad joke, though. Descretion is a good thing. Try it sometime. ;)

Thanks for the advice ;)

StcChief
06-21-2006, 12:05 PM
How true! What a GREAT line! :thumb:

I read Mick Jagger is really tough on his girls and who they date. So much so that one of them crawled out a back window to be with her boyfriend. Yet, he's screwed so many women married or not. Can you see him with a shotgun? ROFL

That's why he is tough on his girls.....If I was the boy I don't think I would be messing with Mick.

Imagine the pretup the dude will be signing before a wedding.
:p

Bob Dole
06-21-2006, 12:13 PM
IMO, there should be a minimum age of maybe 13, then a maximum age disparity (maybe 4 years) until the age of 18. For instance, a 13 yeard old can have sex with a 17 year old, or a 17 year old can have sex with someone as old as 21.

That way, you can protect young kids from the dangers of older people in positions of control, while still being practical about teenagers having sex.

Someone may have mentioned it already, but that's the way it is in TX.

Between 14 and 17, they allow an age disparity of 3 years.

RedNFeisty
06-21-2006, 03:06 PM
It is thirteen in Spain and a few other European countries. (Ten in Romania!) I don't get it. These are the same socialist Europeans who think the state must protect their citizens from the evils of "Anglo-Saxon" capitalism, yet don't think 13-year old girls need protection from sexual predators. I don't get it.

The perverts lowering the age of consent are the sexual predators if you ask me.

16, no girls under the age of 16 for any men over 18.

Moooo
06-21-2006, 03:09 PM
The perverts lowering the age of consent are the sexual predators if you ask me.

16, no girls under the age of 16 for any men over 18.

Keep in mind too, some of the things Americans consider "wrong" are quite okay for the rest of the world.

In many cultures a 15 year old woman is supposed to marry a guy 10-20 years older than her. Its just what you do. Does it make it right or wrong... no.

Moooo

RedNFeisty
06-21-2006, 03:14 PM
Keep in mind too, some of the things Americans consider "wrong" are quite okay for the rest of the world.

In many cultures a 15 year old woman is supposed to marry a guy 10-20 years older than her. Its just what you do. Does it make it right or wrong... no.

Moooo

I am very open minded and liberal, however, you mean to tell me those men 10-20 years older were/are not perverts that just get their jerk on banging 15 year old girls!?!?!

Men, no matter what nationality, ethnic group, religion, etc. are only interested in having sex with younger "girls" for one reason and one reason only - They like having sex with young girls!!

Moooo
06-21-2006, 03:16 PM
I am very open minded and liberal, however, you mean to tell me those men 10-20 years older were/are not perverts that just get their jerk on banging 15 year old girls!?!?!

Men, no matter what nationality, ethnic group, religion, etc. are only interested in having sex with younger "girls" for one reason and one reason only - They like having sex with young girls!!

Most countries wouldn't consider 14 young.

In most cultures, a woman is a woman whenever she goes through puberty. So the whole thing is dependant on when you consider a woman a woman. You say around 16, but most of the world would say 14-15, even possibly 13.

I think that's nasty as an American, but if I was Romanian, I'd probably just think that's the way.

Moooo

RedNFeisty
06-21-2006, 03:25 PM
But in most cultures, a woman is a woman whenever she goes through puberty. So the whole thing is dependant on when you consider a woman a woman. You say around 16, but most of the world would say 14-15, even possibly 13.

I think that's nasty as an American, but if I was Romanian, I'd probably just think that's the way.

Moooo

I completely disagree, I think the men set the age of consent so young so that it would not be unlawful to have sex with a young girl.

Through out history it has always been a double standard between men and women. Women have always been the sexual whipping post if you will. The wife bears the kids, keeps the house and the man makes the money and has his mistresses. I shouldn't really get going on this, I think things are much better today because people don't turn a blind eye on children getting abused like they use to. The underdeveloped countries are still getting away with it, but that is because most of us people do not care about them because they do not affect our everyday lives.

Makes me think of the movie Art of War with Wesley Snipes, there are a couple of scenes where Asian men are watching young girls dance and one officer is getting head from a girl that is all of 13.

Pants
06-21-2006, 04:09 PM
i swear i didn't know she was 3!

rofl

Bob Dole
06-21-2006, 04:49 PM
I completely disagree, I think the men set the age of consent so young so that it would not be unlawful to have sex with a young girl.

Because it looks so much bigger when it's held in a small hand.


(Oh come on...somebody had to say it.)

RedNFeisty
06-21-2006, 04:51 PM
Because it looks so much bigger when it's held in a small hand.


(Oh come on...somebody had to say it.)

Plus the pecker doesn't look so old and crusty.


ROFL

Clint in Wichita
06-21-2006, 04:52 PM
Because it looks so much bigger when it's held in a small hand.


(Oh come on...somebody had to say it.)


In that case, screw a midget!

RedNFeisty
06-21-2006, 04:56 PM
In that case, screw a midget!


But it wouldn't be the same.

Clint in Wichita
06-21-2006, 04:58 PM
But it wouldn't be the same.


True...the midget's screams wouldn't sound the same.

Bob Dole
06-21-2006, 08:06 PM
True...the midget's screams wouldn't sound the same.

Bob Dole doesn't feel nearly as guilty now that you two took it to the next level.

burt
06-21-2006, 10:39 PM
Do you have a daughter?

Every guy I know that has had a daughter, changes their tune, even if they were lothario's at one time. In fact they're the worst ones.

I have a daughter..........I would be a converted lothario...to a worst one. Just for the record. NO ONE WILL WANT TO DATE(or any thing else to) my daughter. AND she will know EVERY pressure point on the human body.

burt
06-21-2006, 10:48 PM
"Mr.Mercer, I am here to take Ali out on a date."

"Son, I hope you have a great time tonight. Just for the record, I went to college just to wrestle, I boxed for 4 years, have had over 25 brolken bones, including my face, which DIDN"T knock me out, by the way. I have an interesting gun collection... I been to prison, and I ain't afraid to go back. Have her home by 11:00. You don't want me looking for ya.....heh heh heh"


yes, I am now "the worst"

Moooo
06-21-2006, 10:50 PM
"Mr.Mercer, I am here to take Ali out on a date."

"Son, I hope you have a great time tonight. Just for the record, I went to college just to wrestle, I boxed for 4 years, have had over 25 brolken bones, including my face, which DIDN"T knock me out, by the way. I have an interesting gun collection... I been to prison, and I ain't afraid to go back. Have her home by 11:00. You don't want me looking for ya.....heh heh heh"


yes, I am now "the worst"

You're overreacting. Its perfectly natural for a woman's first time to be under the age of 18, and to be in the hands of some perverted guy 5 years older than her who will crush her heart soon after. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a girl who would say her experience didn't go like that. :)

Moooo

burt
06-21-2006, 10:54 PM
You're overreacting. Its perfectly natural for a woman's first time to be under the age of 18, and to be in the hands of some perverted guy 5 years older than her who will crush her heart soon after. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a girl who would say her experience didn't go like that. :)

Moooo

and it is MY dream to crush the heart of some perverted guy....not much unlike myself at that age......crush his heart, literally, in my hands...and look into his eyes as I do....

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:02 PM
You have to remember something when debating this. Other countries don't have the view of sex this country does. This country makes sex out to be dirty and bad, European countries don't do that. It's a completely different environment toward sex and nudity and things of that nature.

This country in many ways is very sexually repressed, I think that's why we have more sex crimes than basically every other country combined.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:05 PM
You have to remember something when debating this. Other countries don't have the view of sex this country does. This country makes sex out to be dirty and bad, European countries don't do that. It's a completely different environment toward sex and nudity and things of that nature.

This country in many ways is very sexually repressed, I think that's why we have more sex crimes than basically every other country combined.


and your point??.......

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:06 PM
and your point??.......

That was just a response to why the age of consent is lower in those countries. It's viewed completely differently than it is here. Different views, different environment, kids are just raised completely differently.

BucEyedPea
06-21-2006, 11:08 PM
and it is MY dream to crush the heart of some perverted guy....not much unlike myself at that age......crush his heart, literally, in my hands...and look into his eyes as I do....
ROFL ROFL ROFL

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:09 PM
Indeed. Daughters: God's Punishment For Being A Man.

Guys like me end up having daughters that date guys like me.

Karma is a mother****er...

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:10 PM
That was just a response to why the age of consent is lower in those countries. It's viewed completely differently than it is here. Different views, different environment, kids are just raised completely differently.

Exactly.

We don't use their reproductive organs to make money...

burt
06-21-2006, 11:12 PM
That was just a response to why the age of consent is lower in those countries. It's viewed completely differently than it is here. Different views, different environment, kids are just raised completely differently.



K, but this is here....I f***ed everything that walked when I was in my latter teens up to my mid 30's(got married then and my sex life has unfortunately dropped off to nothin')....but you touch my daughter...and you will wish you were Gochiefs, at a Hells Angels convention, wearing your Star Wars Memoribilia, and carrying a sign proclaming how chaste you are.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:12 PM
Guys like me end up having daughters that date guys like me.

Karma is a mother****er...

have your knuckles healed yet????

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:14 PM
K, but this is here....I f***ed everything that walked when I was in my latter teens up to my mid 30's(got married then and my sex life has unfortunately dropped off to nothin')....but you touch my daughter...and you will wish you were Gochiefs, at a Hells Angels convention, wearing your Star Wars Memoribilia, and carrying a sign proclaming how chaste you are.

So you are a bit hypocritical? I get a kick that most parents have no clue what their 15 and 16 year old daughters are doing, but talk like they'll kill any guy who looks at them. I'd bet money that atleast 50% of girls that age these days have slept with atleast one guy who's in his 20's.

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:15 PM
and it is MY dream to crush the heart of some perverted guy....not much unlike myself at that age......crush his heart, literally, in my hands...and look into his eyes as I do....

You'd be better off handing him a condom... It takes two to tango, you know. :)

I'm just giving you crap, that's all. I don't have any kids, but I have a feeling if I did, I would probably show the young guy my collection of knives before letting him go out with my daughter.

Moooo

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:16 PM
have your knuckles healed yet????

I'm not following...

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:17 PM
Something tells me if your 16 year old daughter is dating a guy who's 24,25,26 she's not going to TELL you. So how do comments like "I'd just show him this" really apply?

burt
06-21-2006, 11:18 PM
So you are a bit hypocritical?.

Uh...yes.....


I get a kick that most parents have no clue what their 15 and 16 year old daughters are doing, but talk like they'll kill any guy who looks at them. I'd bet money that atleast 50% of girls that age these days have slept with atleast one guy who's in his 20's.

and if it were my daughter....people would still be looking for the body.....

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:20 PM
Uh...yes.....




and if it were my daughter....people would still be looking for the body.....

Who's to say you'd find out? I don't think you realize exactly how kids these days are........I have a 15 year old sister, I know her and several of her friends and how they are.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:20 PM
I'm not following...

It's not funny if I have to explain it. I was a male slut in my early life. If my daughter dated guys like me....well my knuckles would always be sore......It's not funny if I have to explain it.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:22 PM
Who's to say you'd find out? I don't think you realize exactly how kids these days are........I have a 15 year old sister, I know her and several of her friends and how they are.

I HOPE I NEVER KNOW. That would keep me from calling my brother to help me hide the body. But seeing as to how promiscouis I was...I remember ALL the tricks.

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:23 PM
I HOPE I NEVER KNOW. That would keep me from calling my brother to help me hide the body. But seeing as to how promiscouis I was...I remember ALL the tricks.

And what makes it funnier is if you act like a strict asshole parent about it she'll do it more. Then she'll end up stripping when she's 18 just to spite you even more.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:23 PM
Something tells me if your 16 year old daughter is dating a guy who's 24,25,26 she's not going to TELL you. So how do comments like "I'd just show him this" really apply?

BTW....I am just like Red from that 70's show...my roof ....my rules. You want your rules, daughter...go get you own roof.

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:24 PM
It's not funny if I have to explain it. I was a male slut in my early life. If my daughter dated guys like me....well my knuckles would always be sore......It's not funny if I have to explain it.

It's not funny now. I'll take my chances...

burt
06-21-2006, 11:24 PM
And what makes it funnier is if you act like a strict asshole parent about it she'll do it more. Then she'll end up stripping when she's 18 just to spite you even more.

Gosh, I remember being your age and knowing everything too....

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:25 PM
BTW....I am just like Red from that 70's show...my roof ....my rules. You want your rules, daughter...go get you own roof.

My dad just told me that if I knocked a girl up while I lived under his roof he'd drag me out into the driveway and kick the God-putty out of me until he was convinced I'd completely forgotten how to use it.

Crude, but it was effective...

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:25 PM
BTW....I am just like Red from that 70's show...my roof ....my rules. You want your rules, daughter...go get you own roof.

Except he was soft on the girl, who turned out to be a slut... YOU CAN LEARN FROM HIM!!!

Moooo

BucEyedPea
06-21-2006, 11:25 PM
Gosh, I remember being your age and knowing everything too....
ROFL ROFL

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:25 PM
Hey now.....I'm not that young. Ok well maybe I am compared to most of this board.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:26 PM
You'd be better off handing him a condom... It takes two to tango, you know. :)

I'm just giving you crap, that's all. I don't have any kids, but I have a feeling if I did, I would probably show the young guy my collection of knives before letting him go out with my daughter.

Moooo

maybe I could show him my manual dexterity with my butterflies.....yeah, that would be fun.....

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:26 PM
Gosh, I remember being your age and knowing everything too....

They did a psychology survey and the number one thing college-aged students said they wanted from their parents when they lived with them is acceptance for who they are and understanding of what they're going through.

Moooo

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:27 PM
My dad just told me that if I knocked a girl up while I lived under his roof he'd drag me out into the driveway and kick the God-putty out of me until he was convinced I'd completely forgotten how to use it.

Crude, but it was effective...

My best friend got a girl pregnant in his parents house.......they're married now but still.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:27 PM
Hey now.....I'm not that young. Ok well maybe I am compared to most of this board.

I graduated College in 1984....

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:28 PM
They did a psychology survey and the number one thing college-aged students said they wanted from their parents when they lived with them is acceptance for who they are and understanding of what they're going through.

Moooo

Having a 15 year old sister and 13 year old brother I believe that. The best thing you can do anymore is try to relate to them and listen to what they have to say. Acting like a dick and telling them what they can and can't do doesn't seem to work at all.....

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:29 PM
I graduated College in 1984....

I turned 4 in 1984.......you are obviously old. Which in turn means I doubt you realize what kids are like now.

burt
06-21-2006, 11:29 PM
Except he was soft on the girl, who turned out to be a slut... YOU CAN LEARN FROM HIM!!!

Moooo

I am an equal opportunity asshole dad. I am tough, yet caring to both my kids... But they know the rules....and I WILL put my foot up their asses...

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:29 PM
I graduated College in 1984....


It was a good year.

I was 9, teacher's pet, and Atari was the shiz-nit... :)

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:30 PM
They did a psychology survey and the number one thing college-aged students said they wanted from their parents when they lived with them is acceptance for who they are and understanding of what they're going through.

Moooo


Which concludes our lesson on why Gen-X kids are mostly pussies...

burt
06-21-2006, 11:32 PM
I turned 4 in 1984.......you are obviously old. Which in turn means I doubt you realize what kids are like now.

let me be blunt.....Gosh, I remember being your age and knowing everything too....

I am 45 on the outside 23 on the inside....don't doubt me....I know kids...'specially mine. It's a cool thing callled communication.

Don't doubt me....I will be saying that to a LOT of my daughters dates....

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:33 PM
Having a 15 year old sister and 13 year old brother I believe that. The best thing you can do anymore is try to relate to them and listen to what they have to say. Acting like a dick and telling them what they can and can't do doesn't seem to work at all.....

Well, children have to have boundaries too, and they don't even know what they are.

How degrading it is to say this, its kinda like having a dog and living by a busy road. You can let the dog go and do whatever, and although the dog may be happy, it will probably get run over sooner or later. Then again, some dogs will learn not to mess with the road, and will enjoy the responsibility without getting in trouble. Other dogs will never learn.

On the other hand, you can tie them to a tree. Depending on how long the rope is the dog may be for the most part content with being on a rope. But if you make it too short, the dog will make a point to try and get away and when he does will dart right out into traffic.

Kind of a strange analogy, but it pans out if you look at it.

Moooo

burt
06-21-2006, 11:33 PM
It was a good year.

I was 9, teacher's pet, and Atari was the shiz-nit... :)

and I probably did your young aunt.....

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:33 PM
How old is your daughter......

BucEyedPea
06-21-2006, 11:38 PM
and I probably did your young aunt.....
ROFL ROFL Mercer you are cracking me up!

burt
06-21-2006, 11:40 PM
How old is your daughter......

I knew we'd get to that one......

In '84 you were 4 Rausch was 9 and my bride to be was 11. Just for the record I didn't know her 'til she was 20.

My daughter is only 7. So now ya know I am MOSTLY joshing...... I still have a little time to instill dating principles....as well as pressure point knowledge... I really espect my kids(my boy is 10) to make their own decisions...but I like playing bad ass with them....

burt
06-21-2006, 11:41 PM
ROFL ROFL Mercer you are cracking me up!

I have NEVER been quite right!!! :rolleyes:

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:42 PM
I knew we'd get to that one......

In '84 you were 4 Rausch was 9 and my bride to be was 11. Just for the record I didn't know her 'til she was 20.

My daughter is only 7. So now ya know I am MOSTLY joshing...... I still have a little time to instill dating principles....as well as pressure point knowledge... I really espect my kids(my boy is 10) to make their own decisions...but I like playing bad ass with them....

LOL, alright fair enough. I just wanna know what happens when you play badass with a 16 year old girl. The reaction she gives you will be priceless.

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:42 PM
and I probably did your young aunt.....

Oh, I doubt that...

burt
06-21-2006, 11:45 PM
Oh, I doubt that...

she did me????

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:45 PM
she did me????

With a strapon?

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:46 PM
I knew we'd get to that one......

In '84 you were 4 Rausch was 9 and my bride to be was 11. Just for the record I didn't know her 'til she was 20.

And you were starting to bald... :)

burt
06-21-2006, 11:46 PM
LOL, alright fair enough. I just wanna know what happens when you play badass with a 16 year old girl. The reaction she gives you will be priceless.

16 years old???? too late, she'll be making her own decisions by then....but I will probably still be playing my version of Red...but it has to be instilled well before 16 years old.....

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:46 PM
she did me????

I doubt you have the frame for it...

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:47 PM
And you were starting to bald... :)

That's why he spent all his money on hats.

ChiefaRoo
06-21-2006, 11:48 PM
Which concludes our lesson on why Gen-X kids are mostly pussies...

I think young kids are called gen Y or even Z now Rausch. Hell, I'm a young X and I'm 31. Just trying to help out dude.

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:48 PM
I knew we'd get to that one......

In '84 you were 4 Rausch was 9 and my bride to be was 11. Just for the record I didn't know her 'til she was 20.

My daughter is only 7. So now ya know I am MOSTLY joshing...... I still have a little time to instill dating principles....as well as pressure point knowledge... I really espect my kids(my boy is 10) to make their own decisions...but I like playing bad ass with them....

Remember education is the greatest tool. The dad who's man enough to teach her daughter what ejaculation means (and not let her learn it from some other kid in school or a television), is the dad who can rest easier when her kid is out on a date.

Moooo

burt
06-21-2006, 11:49 PM
And you were starting to bald... :)

actually I was only bald below my belt....shaving there increases the chances of receiving head.(bad visual?)

I didn't start to bald on my dome until 40...

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:50 PM
actually I was only bale below my belt....shaving there increases the chances of receiving head.(bad visual?)

I didn't start to bald on my dome until 40...

You have now creeped me out.......

burt
06-21-2006, 11:50 PM
With a strapon?

that was way wrong......but funny as hell.

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:52 PM
I think young kids are called gen Y or even Z now Rausch. Hell, I'm a young X and I'm 31. .


Was I talking about Y or Z?

Nein.

I'm talking about 2 generations removed from WWII. Which started the trend of sandy vaginas that further generations only improved upon...

burt
06-21-2006, 11:52 PM
You have now creeped me out.......

sure, it should......a 45 year old, overweight, balding, yet greying man, that thinks enough about "getting some" that he still shaves the nether regions....You will not be able to sleep for days now!!!!!!!!!!!!

burt
06-21-2006, 11:54 PM
Remember education is the greatest tool. The dad who's man enough to teach her daughter what ejaculation means (and not let her learn it from some other kid in school or a television), is the dad who can rest easier when her kid is out on a date.

Moooo

Our district has great sex ed, but yes, I will answer all and any questions. And they will always know this. Being a liberal has SOME advantages....

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:54 PM
actually I was only bale below my belt....shaving there increases the chances of receiving head.(bad visual?)


Not at all.

I've found pubes-tween-teeth are as uncomfortable for the women's as they are for the men's...

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:54 PM
sure, it should......a 45 year old, overweight, balding, yet greying man, that thinks enough about "getting some" that he still shaves the nether regions....You will not be able to sleep for days now!!!!!!!!!!!!

So only the head goes bald? Huh!

Moooo

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:55 PM
Our district has great sex ed, but yes, I will answer all and any questions. And they will always know this. Being a liberal has SOME advantages....


Welfare?...

Rausch
06-21-2006, 11:56 PM
You have now creeped me out.......

No, hearing your 89 year old grandfather knocking the bottom out of his wife creeps you out...

Mecca
06-21-2006, 11:58 PM
Our district has great sex ed, but yes, I will answer all and any questions. And they will always know this. Being a liberal has SOME advantages....

i can't wait till your daughter asks you what anal sex is......but either way I think you should give her this advice....

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/sccwhite/analsex.jpg

Moooo
06-21-2006, 11:59 PM
No, hearing your 89 year old grandfather knocking the bottom out of his wife creeps you out...

I've heard this, but he was only 70.

You know, it was kind of a blessing. Cause after the scars from it healed, nothing grossed me out anymore.

Also, you know you're in a crappy household when you actually don't mind hearing the light thump of the headboard on the wall, cause it means they at least aren't screaming and yelling at each other.

Moooo

Mecca
06-22-2006, 12:01 AM
I'm glad I'm not around old people very often after hearing this creepy shit.

Rausch
06-22-2006, 12:02 AM
I've heard this, but he was only 70.

Nein.


89.


It gives me hope...

Mecca
06-22-2006, 12:03 AM
He must have alot of viagra around.

burt
06-22-2006, 12:03 AM
Welfare?...


ROFL ROFL I was kidding when I said you make as much as me!!!!

Moooo
06-22-2006, 12:04 AM
He must have alot of viagra around.

My grandpa? Hell, he told me about going to the doctor and getting it, and how awesome it is!

Like I said, I thank him, cause now that I'm used to it, NOTHING freaks me out.

Moooo

burt
06-22-2006, 12:06 AM
I've heard this, but he was only 70.

You know, it was kind of a blessing. Cause after the scars from it healed, nothing grossed me out anymore.
Moooo

That is total bullshit..... you must have NEVER seen his feet!!!!!

Mecca
06-22-2006, 12:07 AM
No one must have seen the funny picture I posted.....you bastards.

Rausch
06-22-2006, 12:07 AM
ROFL ROFL I was kidding when I said you make as much as me!!!!

You said that?

$#IT, what else did I miss?...

Rausch
06-22-2006, 12:09 AM
No one must have seen the funny picture I posted.....you bastards.

Looks like I need to take some rep back...

burt
06-22-2006, 12:10 AM
No one must have seen the funny picture I posted.....you bastards.

I knew both my parents....what I didn't know......was what to say about the pic......

Mecca
06-22-2006, 12:11 AM
Looks like I need to take some rep back...

I didn't noticed you repped me till like 3 seconds ago.....I thought people ended up on the next page and missed it.

burt
06-22-2006, 12:14 AM
.....I thought .

You young people all try that.......big mistake, don't do that til at least 30........ you'll just f*** it up.....again.....

Rausch
06-22-2006, 12:17 AM
I didn't noticed you repped me till like 3 seconds ago.....I thought people ended up on the next page and missed it.

Too late.

:evil:

Rausch
06-22-2006, 12:18 AM
You young people all try that.......big mistake, don't do that til at least 30........ you'll just f*** it up.....again.....
ROFL

luv
06-22-2006, 12:50 AM
You young people all try that.......big mistake, don't do that til at least 30........ you'll just f*** it up.....again.....
Yay! I get to start thinking in November!!! Wait - is that a good thing?

burt
06-22-2006, 12:51 AM
Yay! I get to start thinking in November!!! Wait - is that a good thing?


uuuhhhhhh .....in your case...................no

luv
06-22-2006, 12:53 AM
uuuhhhhhh .....in your case...................no
Then I'll hold off. I've tried it before, and it hurts too much.

Rausch
06-22-2006, 12:54 AM
Yay! I get to start thinking in November!!! Wait - is that a good thing?

It better be.

I have to start in October...

luv
06-22-2006, 12:57 AM
It better be.

I have to start in October...
Damn, you're OLD!

greg63
06-22-2006, 01:58 PM
Damn, you're OLD!

ROFL

Now that's just disrespectful. :p

Hydrae
06-22-2006, 08:58 PM
As to the original thread topic, just found this on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/22/canada.sex.reut/index.html

Thursday, June 22, 2006; Posted: 5:34 p.m. EDT (21:34 GMT)

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) -- Seeking to crack down on sexual predators in the era of the Internet, Canada's government brought in legislation Thursday that would raise the legal age of consent for sex to 16 from an unusually young 14.

Justice Minister Vic Toews said changing the law will bring Canada's standards into line with those in several other countries, and he complained Canada's relatively low age of consent has attracted sexual criminals from more restrictive countries.

But the proposal, first outlined in April, will also allow youngsters to have consensual sex with people up to five years older or younger, even if that means one partner is aged 14 or 15.

"Our goal in this legislation is not to criminalize teenage youth who may be involved in sexual activity with their peers," Toews told reporters in Ottawa. "It is to make the law more effective in protecting vulnerable young people from adult sexual predators."

Consent standards vary around the world in terms of age, gender and sexual orientation. In most U.S. states, the age of sexual consent is at least 16 and in some cases -- Arizona is one example -- it is as old as 18.

Toews predicted that the move would find broad support among Canadians, with police forces across the country and with lawmakers from all political stripes.

However, some advocacy groups, including the Canadian Federation for Sexual Health, have already expressed concern about changing the law in this way.

The federation, formerly Planned Parenthood, has said there is no evidence that raising the age of consent will improve protection for young people, and warned it may discourage young people from seeking out birth control options or other assistance.

Toews introduced legislation in the House of Commons Thursday, the last day of proceedings before Parliament's summer break, so debate will start only after Parliament resumes on September 18.

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