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chief2000
06-22-2006, 07:35 PM
Or is he just not athletic enough?

Do you think he gets cut ?

hypersensitiveZO6
06-22-2006, 07:37 PM
Ryan Sims is a fatass, worthless, piece of dogshit.

Thread over.

CoMoChief
06-22-2006, 07:37 PM
I think he has potential to be good, but his desire isnt there and he got lazy as shit as soon as he got drafted and got the paycheck. You saw how he came into camp that season. The NFL now a days has NO offseason whatsoever. He should get that thru his fat head.

DaneMcCloud
06-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Or is he just not athletic enough?

Do you think he gets cut ?

Ryan Sims is in perfect shape. He's incredibly atheletic and there's no way he gets cut. I also heard that his urine can cure cancer.

SPchief
06-22-2006, 07:40 PM
I don't think that you are going to find hardly anybody on this board who doesn't think that he is overweight.

ChiefsfaninPA
06-22-2006, 07:42 PM
I don't think that you are going to find hardly anybody on this board who doesn't think that he is overweight.

I think him, and Dalton both look like Warren Sapp clones. Just fat pieces of shit. At least on some level Dalton produces a little. I just think he is out of shape. He might be at the right weight in his mind, he just needs better conditioning.

hypersensitiveZO6
06-22-2006, 07:42 PM
I think he has potential to be good, but his desire isnt there and he got lazy as shit as soon as he got drafted and got the paycheck. You saw how he came into camp that season. The NFL now a days has NO offseason whatsoever. He can't get thru the KFC doorway because of his fat head.

Fixed your post.

BIG K
06-22-2006, 07:53 PM
Or is he just not athletic enough?

Do you think he gets cut ?

His weight is not the issue. His attitude, or lack thereof is. He lacks the attitude of a good DT. There have been many players at his position carrying more weight, (See G. Brown) that have played with more intensity than Sims. I was all for his drafting at the time, but now, if he doesn't produce in T.C., he should be replaced...

Is Big Dan Sal' still around???? :)

morphius
06-22-2006, 07:59 PM
I don't know why I think this, but I assume he is going to be in shape by TC. Its disappointing that he feels he can take the offseason "off", hopefully the new DL Coach in Kawika can light a fire under his butt. FWIW, Mitchell did say in an interview that Sims was working really heard in the weight room over the OTA and was "leading by example" there. So there is at least a little hope there, not much because we have seen Hicks work out real hard and show nothing on the field.

BIG K
06-22-2006, 08:01 PM
So there is at least a little hope there, not much because we have seen Hicks work out real hard and show nothing on the field.

Hicks will work out fine on the field this year spelling our new DE......

JBucc
06-22-2006, 08:02 PM
He needs to lose weight but more importantly he needs an attitude adjustment otherwise he'll just put it back on in the offseason and come into camp fat next year.

BIG K
06-22-2006, 08:15 PM
He needs to lose weight but more importantly he needs an attitude adjustment otherwise he'll just put it back on in the offseason and come into camp fat next year.


If he doesn't change his attitude now, he won't be back in camp with the Chiefs next year......

morphius
06-22-2006, 08:18 PM
If he doesn't change his attitude now, he won't be back in camp with the Chiefs next year......
Injury might have the same effect.

Moooo
06-22-2006, 08:24 PM
Weight is irrelevant when you have the motor of a Yugo.

He could be as big as Ted Washington, or as small as Dwight Freeney, as long as he actually tries, I'd be happy at this point.

I think Hali will be a breath of fresh air, perhaps the exact opposite, where his motor goes through the roof when he starts cashing in the Benjamins.

Moooo

Mr. Laz
06-22-2006, 08:26 PM
lose weight ... :shrug:


gain muscle ... definitely


lacks motivation .... definitely

DMAC
06-22-2006, 08:30 PM
lacks motivation .... definitely
That's why he would get cut.

mcan
06-22-2006, 09:29 PM
I said this last year and I still believe this to be true.


-I believe that Ryan Sims' weight lifting and strength coaches have him on a BULKING program for the middle summer months. That's why you hear about him being overweight for minicamps and the first week or two of camp. But as soon as the camp diaries start, you'll hear about how much STRONGER he is.

Basically, he eats as many calories as he can for about 12 weeks while he lifts a crazy amount of weight. This way, he can add the most muscle to his frame possible before two-a-days start to shed the extra pounds. I'm not saying this is the best plan. But I don't think he gets overweight because he's lazy.

I'm guessing this is the case based upon everything I've heard about his workout habits in the offseason. Two years ago, he was rumored to be in Miami all offseason lifting weights with Ray Lewis. This year, apperantly he's been a leader in the Chiefs weight room.

Moooo
06-22-2006, 09:46 PM
I said this last year and I still believe this to be true.


-I believe that Ryan Sims' weight lifting and strength coaches have him on a BULKING program for the middle summer months. That's why you hear about him being overweight for minicamps and the first week or two of camp. But as soon as the camp diaries start, you'll hear about how much STRONGER he is.

Basically, he eats as many calories as he can for about 12 weeks while he lifts a crazy amount of weight. This way, he can add the most muscle to his frame possible before two-a-days start to shed the extra pounds. I'm not saying this is the best plan. But I don't think he gets overweight because he's lazy.

I'm guessing this is the case based upon everything I've heard about his workout habits in the offseason. Two years ago, he was rumored to be in Miami all offseason lifting weights with Ray Lewis. This year, apperantly he's been a leader in the Chiefs weight room.

Your optimism makes me happy. But I hold you responsible if he sucks... :)

Moooo

Phobia
06-22-2006, 09:48 PM
Does a bear shit in the woods?

Mr. Flopnuts
06-22-2006, 09:58 PM
Does a bear shit in the woods?



Very carelessly from what I understand.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=142617

FAX
06-22-2006, 10:03 PM
To Mr. Phobia's point, I believe that the likelihood of a bear defecating in the woods is fairly high.

Further, I believe that the likelihood of a bear defecating on an engorged, nearly comatose Ryan Sims is also fairly high.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
06-22-2006, 10:51 PM
Does a bear shit in the woods?

Is it okay to yell 'Fire' in a crowded movie theatre? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

stevieray
06-22-2006, 10:55 PM
too late now.

it's easier to stay in shape, than to get into shape.

FringeNC
06-22-2006, 11:21 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that it's not his attitude that's the problem -- simply he flat-out is not very good, and was overrated because of Peppers?

greg63
06-22-2006, 11:24 PM
Does Ryan Sims need to lose weight ?

I refer you to my avatar.

Dunit35
06-23-2006, 12:53 AM
Ryan Sims is in perfect shape. He's incredibly atheletic and there's no way he gets cut. I also heard that his urine can cure cancer.


uh...that's Chuck Norris.

DaneMcCloud
06-23-2006, 01:02 AM
uh...that's Chuck Norris.

Damnit! I got them confused. Must be the steeley eyes...

Dunit35
06-23-2006, 01:11 AM
Damnit! I got them confused. Must be the steeley eyes...


It happens...they both order the barbed wire whopper at Burger King though. Ryan Sims just order the triple burger.

greg63
06-23-2006, 01:34 AM
uh...that's Chuck Norris.

Are you sure you don't mean Rich Scanlon or Jack Bauer??

HemiEd
06-23-2006, 02:55 AM
I have not given up on Sims yet, I am still very optimistic about him. I do not think it is fair to judge a player without throwing out the injuries. He held out his first season, when he did join the team, he immediatly got injured. Was that his fault or his agent's? I do not know, it does not matter now.
Last year, he looked like a Monster on the field in the Jets game prior to the injury. I remember how exciting it was for that short period of time he was playing and how devastating it was when he went down.

IMO we have just been very unlucky so far with this very high draft choice.

Maybe fate has something to do with it, we almost fumbled getting the pick in on time on draft day if my sources were correct. Didn't a fan write his name down and run it up there or was that BS?

rad
06-23-2006, 03:08 AM
uh...that's Chuck Norris.


Get it right guys.....

Chuck Norris' TEARS have the cure for cancer, but he never cries

Scanlon's urine contains the cure for cancer, but he...never.....pees.

Inspector
06-23-2006, 05:39 AM
I said this last year and I still believe this to be true.


-I believe that Ryan Sims' weight lifting and strength coaches have him on a BULKING program for the middle summer months. That's why you hear about him being overweight for minicamps and the first week or two of camp. But as soon as the camp diaries start, you'll hear about how much STRONGER he is.

Basically, he eats as many calories as he can for about 12 weeks while he lifts a crazy amount of weight. This way, he can add the most muscle to his frame possible before two-a-days start to shed the extra pounds. I'm not saying this is the best plan. But I don't think he gets overweight because he's lazy.

I'm guessing this is the case based upon everything I've heard about his workout habits in the offseason. Two years ago, he was rumored to be in Miami all offseason lifting weights with Ray Lewis. This year, apperantly he's been a leader in the Chiefs weight room.

I hope you are correct. And, I hope it shows on the field. That would be great.

And...I hope Ray Lewis is mentoring him with his weight lifting and nothing else.

I guess I'm just being hopeful today.

BigRedChief
06-23-2006, 06:57 AM
I don't think that you are going to find hardly anybody on this board who doesn't think that he is overweight.

A lot of us were at the public practice. It was obvious even from the stands that he had the balloned up in the off season. His ass was Queen Latifah sized.

BigRedChief
06-23-2006, 06:58 AM
Get it right guys.....

Chuck Norris' TEARS have the cure for cancer, but he never cries

Scanlon's urine contains the cure for cancer, but he...never.....pees.

And Jack Bauer can kick Chuck Norris's ass with his little toe.

NJ Chief Fan
06-23-2006, 07:02 AM
ryan sims is a fat **** who might have skill, but well never know cause he has no heart

Moooo
06-23-2006, 07:04 AM
ryan sims is a fat **** who might have skill, but well never know cause he has no heart

Maybe his heart is too fat...

Moooo

chagrin
06-23-2006, 07:09 AM
I think him, and Dalton both look like Warren Sapp clones. Just fat pieces of shit. At least on some level Dalton produces a little. I just think he is out of shape. He might be at the right weight in his mind, he just needs better conditioning.

Just as an aside, warren may be fat but he is a good DT, we'd have been lucky to have had a DT with over 80 career sacks, on our team

NJ Chief Fan
06-23-2006, 07:22 AM
Maybe his heart is too fat...

Moooo
ROFL DAMN FAT FIZZUCK

jidar
06-23-2006, 07:36 AM
Ryan Sims stole my bike.

morphius
06-23-2006, 08:08 AM
I hope you are correct. And, I hope it shows on the field. That would be great.

And...I hope Ray Lewis is mentoring him with his weight lifting and nothing else.

I guess I'm just being hopeful today.
I don't know, I wouldn't mind someone with that amount of fire playing on our D. I'm not saying I want Ray right now, just a bit more attitude would be nice from the D.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 08:11 AM
sims will have 8 sacks this season.

StcChief
06-23-2006, 08:13 AM
sims will have 8 sacks this season.
Hope your right. a career year he is due.

Then we can trade his ass and get something.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 08:15 AM
sims will have 8 sacks this season.

Considering what I know about you and your defensive knowledge, I hope you're not being sarcastic. If he had 8 sacks this season, we'd be a completely different defense.

Chiefnj
06-23-2006, 08:31 AM
sims will have 8 sacks this season.

Sacks of what? White Castle burgers? Certainly not QB sacks.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 08:44 AM
Sacks of what? White Castle burgers? Certainly not QB sacks.


ROFL

sedated
06-23-2006, 08:51 AM
Last year, he looked like a Monster on the field in the Jets game prior to the injury.

Everyone looked like a monster against the Jets.

Their coach must have really sucked

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 08:57 AM
Considering what I know about you and your defensive knowledge, I hope you're not being sarcastic. If he had 8 sacks this season, we'd be a completely different defense.


call it gut instinct. But i think our line play will be greatly increased this year due to the speed and skill at the LB position.

my gut tells me if Sims starts the first game, he will have a monster year.

HemiEd
06-23-2006, 09:01 AM
Everyone looked like a monster against the Jets.

Their coach must have really sucked

ROFL a lot of truth to what you say, but last time I checked......

HemiEd
06-23-2006, 09:04 AM
call it gut instinct. But i think our line play will be greatly increased this year due to the speed and skill at the LB position.

my gut tells me if Sims starts the first game, he will have a monster year.


I agree, didn't we make an upgrade in the DL coach as well?

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 09:06 AM
I agree, didn't we make an upgrade in the DL coach as well?
theres a new coach(crumrie) an upgrade remains to be seen.

Also i wouldnt be suprise if key fox isnt named the starter by later than game 3.

the other CB position is what worries me the most this year. So the upfront play will HAVE to be superb every snap,every play.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 09:08 AM
theres a new coach(crumrie) an upgrade remains to be seen.

Also i wouldnt be suprise if key fox isnt named the starter by later than game 3.

the other CB position is what worries me the most this year. So the upfront play will HAVE to be superb every snap,every play.

I think Fox will be the starter coming out of camp. Bell will be a 3rd down specialist going forward. The coaches just love Fox and he was poised for a big year before his injury...

ck_IN
06-23-2006, 09:09 AM
He is too fat and that is a symptom of his real problem.

He has the ability but he doesn't have the head. If he had an ounce of sense he'd have lost that weight before now. He didn't, so obviously he doesn't.

Even if by some miracle he does have a good season I've no doubt he'll fall right back into his old ways the minute he gets comfortable.

He won't get cut since CP's ego won't let him give up on a #6 pick. But he's useless and should be cut yesterday.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 09:15 AM
He is too fat and that is a symptom of his real problem.


Sims has all camp to get into shape.


hes a DT and had a foot injury, of course hes gonna be outta shape.
hell id wager he would have been outta shape regardless.

Moooo
06-23-2006, 09:15 AM
I think Fox will be the starter coming out of camp. Bell will be a 3rd down specialist going forward. The coaches just love Fox and he was poised for a big year before his injury...

You say the coaches love him, does this include Herm?

Moooo

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 09:16 AM
I think Fox will be the starter coming out of camp. Bell will be a 3rd down specialist going forward. The coaches just love Fox and he was poised for a big year before his injury...


Fox has got me stoked this year dude,im really excited to see KCs LB core hit the field.

Cartman
06-23-2006, 09:22 AM
Ryan is just big-boned.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 09:26 AM
You say the coaches love him, does this include Herm?

Moooo

If he doesn't already, he will.

Fox could quite possibly be the 2nd-best LB on this team after DJ when you consider both athleticism and potential.

ck_IN
06-23-2006, 09:37 AM
<i>hell id wager he would have been outta shape regardless.</i>

We have a winner!

That's exactly his problem. He's completely unmotivated and there doesn't seem to be anyway to motivate him. Comming off an injury (again) should be more then enough incentive to get in shape. He didn't and he likely won't. That's his problem in a nutshell.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 09:49 AM
<i>hell id wager he would have been outta shape regardless.</i>

We have a winner!

That's exactly his problem. He's completely unmotivated and there doesn't seem to be anyway to motivate him. Comming off an injury (again) should be more then enough incentive to get in shape. He didn't and he likely won't. That's his problem in a nutshell.

It's the same with 90% of defensive tackles in both the NFL and in college.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2006, 09:52 AM
the myth, the man, the legend ..... Keyaron Fox


ROFL


The man makes Kris Wilson look productive

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 09:56 AM
the myth, the man, the legend ..... Keyaron Fox

ROFL

The man makes Kris Wilson look productive

They're in no way comparable, but I'm sure you already know that.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2006, 10:01 AM
They're in no way comparable, but I'm sure you already know that.
you awfully crabby lately






"no soup for you!!"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Sein_soup_nazi.jpg

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 10:04 AM
you awfully crabby lately






"no soup for you!!"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Sein_soup_nazi.jpg

It's that time of the year. One month before training camp, where people can view the players in person and definitively declare that the team sucks and the season it over.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 10:06 AM
It's the same with 90% of defensive tackles in both the NFL and in college.


my point.

ck_IN
06-23-2006, 12:34 PM
<i>t's the same with 90% of defensive tackles in both the NFL and in college.</i>

But those 90% probably weren't 6th overall draft picks who have never shown in iota of motivation, preparedness, or intelligence to match their obvious skills. If Sims was a 3rd or 4th round pick we wouldn't be having this discussion because his skill set wouldn't warrent it.

He has the skills but not the head.

hypersensitiveZO6
06-23-2006, 01:01 PM
20 pounds!!! Whoa Ryan!!

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 01:11 PM
t's the same with 90% of defensive tackles in both the NFL and in college.

But those 90% probably weren't 6th overall draft picks who have never shown in iota of motivation, preparedness, or intelligence to match their obvious skills. If Sims was a 3rd or 4th round pick we wouldn't be having this discussion because his skill set wouldn't warrent it.

He has the skills but not the head.


now youre just making it up as you go along.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 01:45 PM
<i>t's the same with 90% of defensive tackles in both the NFL and in college.</i>

But those 90% probably weren't 6th overall draft picks who have never shown in iota of motivation, preparedness, or intelligence to match their obvious skills. If Sims was a 3rd or 4th round pick we wouldn't be having this discussion because his skill set wouldn't warrent it.

He has the skills but not the head.

No, they weren't. Some of them were HIGHER picks, like Dwayne Robertson and Gerard Warren.

HemiEd
06-23-2006, 01:51 PM
It's the same with 90% of defensive tackles in both the NFL and in college.

Agreed, if they had a high metabolism, they probably would not be able to get over 300 lbs. at such a young age.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 01:58 PM
Agreed, if they had a high metabolism, they probably would not be able to get over 300 lbs. at such a young age.

Offensive linemen sometimes suffer from it, but not as often because of what their position demands.

For defensive tackles, it's really the one position on the field where the ONLY reason these guys play football is because they're big. They've dominated people physically with very little technique for their entire football life. So they develop poor work habits AND a sense of superiority, both of which contribute to failure in the NFL, where you can't get away with that anymore.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 02:03 PM
Offensive linemen sometimes suffer from it, but not as often because of what their position demands.

For defensive tackles, it's really the one position on the field where the ONLY reason these guys play football is because they're big. They've dominated people physically with very little technique for their entire football life. So they develop poor work habits AND a sense of superiority, both of which contribute to failure in the NFL, where you can't get away with that anymore.

woo woo woo.

with an average nfl career of 4 years its like that for most nfl players.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 02:08 PM
woo woo woo.

with an average nfl career of 4 years its like that for most nfl players.

Sure, but it seems to be most common in defensive tackles.

ck_IN
06-23-2006, 02:21 PM
htismaqe and MOhillbilly I'm not really sure why we seem to be batting this back and forth.

Sims is overweight nad out of shape. He has been overweight and out of shape for every training camp, mini camp, etc. that we've had. He's shown no motivation to improve himself during the season, before the season, or after the season.

He has a world of talent but apparently no desire to take advantage of it. The same was true of Warren. Warren got cut because of it.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 02:25 PM
Sure, but it seems to be most common in defensive tackles.


big fast agile its all the same really. its only common w/ DTs because they have to be able to take on two blockers and then usually only w/undertackles at the college and nfl level.

but to say theres only one atribute thats contributes to playing time is kind of a strech.
its like saying dante hall only runs back kicks because he is small.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 02:30 PM
htismaqe and MOhillbilly I'm not really sure why we seem to be batting this back and forth.

Sims is overweight nad out of shape. He has been overweight and out of shape for every training camp, mini camp, etc. that we've had. He's shown no motivation to improve himself during the season, before the season, or after the season.

He has a world of talent but apparently no desire to take advantage of it. The same was true of Warren. Warren got cut because of it.

hes also been hurt 2/3 of his career. its easy to get outta shape when your hurt.

i broke my leg and blew my knee out and when the took the cast off,my leg felt like butter looked like a toothpick. before this i had squated 600 pounds.
after it took almost a year to get to 500.



heck the same year i broke my thumb, during this time i practiced(no contact) w/ pins in my hand till the last 2 outta five weeks(infection) and when i was clear to go full pads i was so layed out after missing 2 weeks i layed on the field 30 minutes after it was over.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 02:37 PM
htismaqe and MOhillbilly I'm not really sure why we seem to be batting this back and forth.

Sims is overweight nad out of shape. He has been overweight and out of shape for every training camp, mini camp, etc. that we've had. He's shown no motivation to improve himself during the season, before the season, or after the season.

He has a world of talent but apparently no desire to take advantage of it. The same was true of Warren. Warren got cut because of it.

I'm not sure we're batting anything back and forth.

All of the things you say are true. It's just that they're true of lots of defensive tackles, not just Sims.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 02:38 PM
big fast agile its all the same really. its only common w/ DTs because they have to be able to take on two blockers and then usually only w/undertackles at the college and nfl level.

but to say theres only one atribute thats contributes to playing time is kind of a strech.
its like saying dante hall only runs back kicks because he is small.

Certain positions require different combinations of athletic skills, and some positions require mental aptitude as well. That's why you have "skill" positions.

Of all the 22 positions on offense and defense, defensive tackle is about as "unskilled" as you get.

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 02:52 PM
Certain positions require different combinations of athletic skills, and some positions require mental aptitude as well. That's why you have "skill" positions.

Of all the 22 positions on offense and defense, defensive tackle is about as "unskilled" as you get.
i dont believe its anymore skilled or unskilled than a runningback position.

its why you hear all the time hes a natural runner,hes a natural blocker hes a natural run stuffer.
it takes more than size to be an effective lineman. and just as many attributes as any other nfl player.

but ill agree to disagree.

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 03:02 PM
i dont believe its anymore skilled or unskilled than a runningback position.

its why you hear all the time hes a natural runner,hes a natural blocker hes a natural run stuffer.
it takes more than size to be an effective lineman. and just as many attributes as any other nfl player.

but ill agree to disagree.

I don't think we disagree at all. RB would be another position that's based more on natural ability than anything else. And those guys tend to be boom or bust players too...

MOhillbilly
06-23-2006, 03:23 PM
I don't think we disagree at all. RB would be another position that's based more on natural ability than anything else. And those guys tend to be boom or bust players too...

but to say that it takes anyless skill or least skill bugs me.its not easy to set your feet,get your hands in postion against one muchless two blockers to get a secondary move.
Add to this stunts w/ other lineman and LBs while trying to move in traffic.

takes alot of skill if you ask me.

Now O line IMO takes the least skill. they always have the numbers, the extra step off the line at the ends and know the snap count. hell they have to be told where to go.

:)

htismaqe
06-23-2006, 03:42 PM
but to say that it takes anyless skill or least skill bugs me.its not easy to set your feet,get your hands in postion against one muchless two blockers to get a secondary move.
Add to this stunts w/ other lineman and LBs while trying to move in traffic.

takes alot of skill if you ask me.

Now O line IMO takes the least skill. they always have the numbers, the extra step off the line at the ends and know the snap count. hell they have to be told where to go.

:)

ROFL

Some of it has to do with responsibility within the scheme too. I think playing OL is more complicated than playing DT. More things to remember, unless of course you're playing in Greg Robinson's defense. :D

Fish
06-23-2006, 03:47 PM
but to say that it takes anyless skill or least skill bugs me.its not easy to set your feet,get your hands in postion against one muchless two blockers to get a secondary move.
Add to this stunts w/ other lineman and LBs while trying to move in traffic.

takes alot of skill if you ask me.

Now O line IMO takes the least skill. they always have the numbers, the extra step off the line at the ends and know the snap count. hell they have to be told where to go.

:)

See that's weird.... cause I would say it's the opposite.... I'd say that DLs have a much easier job than OLs....

If an OL misses a block, the QB gets planted for a loss.... if a DL misses, there is a LB behind him that is trying to tackle the same guy he is....

OL each have specific blocking schemes which all rely on each other to get everyone blocked..... and at times they have to change their blocking scheme at the line without moving once they get set(for a blitz for example). When an OL makes a mistake, is very easy to spot and usually ruins the play. If a DL screws up and shoots the wrong gap, you might not notice and it may not even effect the play.

I wouldn't say either job is easy, but I'd rather have a meathead on the DL than the OL......

FAX
06-23-2006, 04:02 PM
... I'd rather have a meathead on the DL than the OL......

Makes a nice card.

FAX

GoHuge
06-23-2006, 04:23 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that it's not his attitude that's the problem -- simply he flat-out is not very good, and was overrated because of Peppers?
Been saying that for a long time. Everybody hopes he's gonna be the special could that could.

mcan
06-23-2006, 05:54 PM
1st: Didn't a fan write his name down and run it up there or was that BS?

No, that's BS, but you're close. There was definately a controversy. Dallas sat at the number 5 pick, and Minnesota had the number 6. We were down at number 8, I believe. Jerry Jones and Carl Peterson were on the phone for nearly ALL of Dallas' 15 minutes. With just a few seconds left, Jerry agreed to the trade. The Chiefs now had the number 5 pick but only a few seconds to turn in the card. Lynn Stiles and all those guys were at Arrowhead, and had to call the personel in New York to write up a card for Ryan Sims and get it to the stage. Unfortunately, it took a minute or so for the league to approve the trade. Then, time expired. It caught Minnesota off guard, and they made a quick phone call. NFL rules state that if time expires, the next guys can pick. So, Minnesota filled out a card for Ryan Sims and started running to the podium. The Chiefs' personnel guy who would usually be the guy to get the card to the stage had a broken foot, so he handed the card to an intern who RAN to the stage. Minnesota's people were pissed, because they were litterally standing RIGHT THERE at the stage too... But, they didn't take long to decide to take the big right tackle (because theirs just died of heat stroke).

2nd: Defensive and offensive linemen have a MULTITUDE of things to think about on the field. In many respects they have just as many things to think about as any other position with the exception of the quarterback and sometimes the running back. It's not just about skill, there are also different gaps and responsibilites for each position starting with the simple things like which hand goes on the ground. An edge rusher will have to know whether to take an inside technique or an outside technique based upon down and distance, quarterback tendencies, the talent level and weaknesses of the lineman most likely to block him, and the likelihood of the runningback chipping. Every player has to think about the game within the game at all times. Anybody who thinks pro football is just a bunch of guys mashing into each other doesn't know the game. When they talk about chess metaphors, they have a good reason. That's also why certain players DOMINATE and others don't. The talent level, size, and athletic ability of most of these guys is pretty similar. The guys who can think within the game are the Hall of Famers...

3rd: I still believe that Ryan Sims gets big this time of year because he's BULKING up. He's not concerned with getting in shape to run a marathon, he wants to build muscle and LOTS of it. From training camp to the playoffs he will lose a TON of muscle mass, and unless he starts with more than usual he will be weak by the end of the season.