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hypersensitiveZO6
06-27-2006, 08:22 PM
As part of this week's 10th annual rookie symposium, an event aimed at preparing draft choices for life in the NFL on and off the field, the league arranged for experts in and out the game to address young players on issues ranging from financial planning to social relationships to dealing with the media.

And, for the first time ever, on what it is like to be a gay man playing professional football.

Former defensive tackle Esera Tuaolo, who in 2002, three years after his retirement from the NFL, revealed that he is gay, was part of the panel in Monday evening's discussion with rookies highlighting diversity in the league. The diversity segments of the program, with the 255 choices from this year's draft divided into four groups, lasted 30 minutes.
League vice president of player and employee development Mike Haynes hopes the message delivered by Tuaolo and others resonates much longer.

"When I took the job four years ago," Haynes said Tuesday, "one of the things I wanted to really stress was tolerance. And that takes on a lot of forms, from tolerating the kind of music that's maybe being played in the locker room, to the way a guy dresses, or even what part of the country he is from. And so this was just a natural step in the evolution."

Haynes' goal, he said, wasn't so much to have Tuaolo discuss being gay as to deal with the more general themes of diversity of tolerance. But given the attention that Tuaolo has received since his 2002 revelation, the issue, naturally, was raised. As has been the case in his public discussions on the matter, and in his new book, Tuaolo spoke candidly. And, Haynes said, the rookie audiences listened attentively.

Tuaolo, who played for five different teams in nine seasons and who retired after the 1999 campaign, could not be immediately reached for comment.

"I think a lot of guys were shocked at what [Tuaolo] had to tolerate at times," Haynes said during a break in the symposium, which is being held near San Diego. "This went way beyond our normal 'well, we're an equal opportunity employer' discussion of diversity that we might have had in the past. Esera was great. He talked, for instance, about the kind of language that might be used in the locker room and about how, no matter the intent, it could be hurtful to some people. He made some terrific points."

Tuaolo, 37, a few years ago addressed league officials on the subjects of diversity and tolerance and, in a subsequent meeting, Haynes asked if the former defensive tackle would be interested at some juncture in being a part of the rookie symposium. This year, Tuaolo's schedule permitted him to appear.

The timing was only coincidental but, coming in the wake of remarks made last week by Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, the appearance of Tuaolo was particularly pertinent.

"I think it does make it a more timely issue," Haynes said. "I don't want to speak for baseball, but what happened [with Guillen] probably demonstrates that we all still have some work to be done in terms of the tolerance issue in general. Hopefully, with Esera being here, our league took another step forward."

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

Is this a good idea?

beer bacon
06-27-2006, 08:31 PM
Grrrrr I hate that darn Gay Agenda!

CoMoChief
06-27-2006, 08:34 PM
I've always wondered how many players in the NFL are gay. I wonder how bogus the Michael Strahan rumor is. Appearantly his wife said a whole bunch of stuff but I think she's doing that to get something from him. Who knows.

milkman
06-27-2006, 08:35 PM
Grrrrr I hate that darn Gay Agenda!

Yeah, but the question is, how does Machael Strahan feel about iT?

Rausch
06-27-2006, 08:46 PM
Whew, I was worried gay players might not know that straight players might tease and belittle them.

Frazod
06-27-2006, 08:47 PM
For some reason I was expecting this to be about McCaffrey.

Ebolapox
06-27-2006, 08:51 PM
I'm just glad that john elway is able to share his life experiences with the young players of today :p

plbrdude
06-27-2006, 08:55 PM
"I don't want to speak for baseball, but what happened [with Guillen] probably demonstrates that we all still have some work to be done in terms of the tolerance issue in general. Hopefully, with Esera being here, our league took another step forward."





tolerance will ruin this great nation

beer bacon
06-27-2006, 09:01 PM
"I don't want to speak for baseball, but what happened [with Guillen] probably demonstrates that we all still have some work to be done in terms of the tolerance issue in general. Hopefully, with Esera being here, our league took another step forward."





tolerance will ruin this great nation

All I know is that this country didn't get great by sucking a bunch of dicks.

Frazod
06-27-2006, 09:04 PM
All I know is that this country didn't get great by sucking a bunch of dicks.

REP! ROFL

plbrdude
06-27-2006, 09:07 PM
All I know is that this country didn't get great by sucking a bunch of dicks.



rightly said. personally i like the 2 island theory for homosexls.
1 large island for the males. 1 large island for the females.
in 40 years they should be sufficiently repopulated to self-susstain them selves.

SNR
06-27-2006, 09:23 PM
For some reason I was expecting this to be about McCaffrey."Easy Ed" :Lin:

SNR
06-27-2006, 09:28 PM
Oh, and fie on this tolerance crap. This isn't college. If a grown man isn't aware of the diversity around him already, there's no way a 30-minute speech is going to change that in the least bit. Likewise, men who would be uncomfortable with an openly gay guy in the locker room won't have their feelings changed by some gay guy saying it's okay.

Race is pretty ****ing well-represented in the NFL, from what I can see. As for sexual preference, there's a policy the US Army uses called "Don't ask, don't tell" that has worked brilliantly for years.

milkman
06-27-2006, 09:32 PM
Oh, and fie on this tolerance crap. This isn't college. If a grown man isn't aware of the diversity around him already, there's no way a 30-minute speech is going to change that in the least bit. Likewise, men who would be uncomfortable with an openly gay guy in the locker room won't have their feelings changed by some gay guy saying it's okay.

Race is pretty ****ing well-represented in the NFL, from what I can see. As for sexual preference, there's a policy the US Army uses called "Don't ask, don't tell" that has worked brilliantly for years.

I don't believe I've ever heard "Army" and "Brilliant" in the same sentence before.

pr_capone
06-27-2006, 09:37 PM
I don't believe I've ever heard "Army" and "Brilliant" in the same sentence before.

I've used it several times though I may be a bit biased.... I was in the Army. :)

Iowanian
06-27-2006, 09:40 PM
"So basically fellas, don't fall for that Eli manning-you'reonlywearingajockstrapbendoverandletmetakeacoupleof quicksnaps routine"

StcChief
06-28-2006, 05:32 AM
"I don't want to speak for baseball, but what happened [with Guillen] probably demonstrates that we all still have some work to be done in terms of the tolerance issue in general. Hopefully, with Esera being here, our league took another step forward."





tolerance will ruin this great nation
:clap: :clap:

It's about right and wrong.

ROYC75
06-28-2006, 06:42 AM
QB's are always putting their hands on the center's nuts............. why is this anything new ?

KCTitus
06-28-2006, 06:56 AM
...He talked, for instance, about the kind of language that might be used in the locker room and about how, no matter the intent, it could be hurtful to some people. He made some terrific points."

A football player...who plays in the top league of the most violent sport on the planet...finds 'locker room language' hurtful. You've got to be kidding me.

Halfcan
06-28-2006, 08:07 AM
Why not use Mcnabb or Chad Peniston.

chagrin
06-28-2006, 08:10 AM
I guess Jeff Garcia was not around

DaKCMan AP
06-28-2006, 08:17 AM
rightly said. personally i like the 2 island theory for homosexls.
1 large island for the males. 1 large island for the females.
in 40 years they should be sufficiently repopulated to self-susstain them selves.

Right, cause straight people don't produce gay offspring. Oh wait... :hmmm:

Ultra Peanut
06-28-2006, 08:21 AM
rightly said. personally i like the 2 island theory for homosexls.
1 large island for the males. 1 large island for the females.
in 40 years they should be sufficiently repopulated to self-susstain them selves.i think we should let the gays live in camps where they can focus on stuff and stuff

maybe call them happy focus lands or something

milkman
06-28-2006, 08:23 AM
A football player...who plays in the top league of the most violent sport on the planet...finds 'locker room language' hurtful. You've got to be kidding me.

I don't know about players, but I'd bet it made Dick Vermeil cry.

DaKCMan AP
06-28-2006, 08:26 AM
I don't know about players, but I'd bet it made Dick Vermeil cry.

ROFL

Gonzo
06-28-2006, 09:26 AM
I bet its tough for him to speak to the players with his mouth full..........
Sorry, I can't help it.

BIG_DADDY
06-28-2006, 09:29 AM
A football player...who plays in the top league of the most violent sport on the planet...finds 'locker room language' hurtful. You've got to be kidding me.

You really should be more sensitive to their needs. Maybe hold hands and skip day should be on the training camp itinerary.

StcChief
06-28-2006, 10:32 AM
You really should be more sensitive to their needs. Maybe hold hands and skip day should be on the training camp itinerary.

They need to count how many older brothers they have, touch base with mom about why your now gay....

Get on with life elsewhere.
The NFL isn't for pansies that can't take it and really be part of the team.

If they have another agenda that won't play well with the rest of the team. So good bye and go find something to suck on.

hypersensitiveZO6
06-28-2006, 10:46 AM
You really should be more sensitive to their needs. Maybe hold hands and skip day should be on the training camp itinerary.

Ryan Sims: "Give me a hotdog."
Herm Edwards: "Alright"


Rich Scanlon: "Give me a blowjob"
Bill Bartee: "Alright"

Need addressed.

InChiefsHell
06-28-2006, 11:03 AM
QB's are always putting their hands on the center's nuts............. why is this anything new ?
I guess it depends on how long the hands linger and fondle...

...if the center doesn't like it, I'd guess he could fart in the QB's face and that would pretty much end that...

hypersensitiveZO6
06-28-2006, 11:05 AM
I guess it depends on how long the hands linger and fondle...

...if the center doesn't like it, I'd guess he could fart in the QB's face and that would pretty much end that...


Centers definitely have the ability.