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BIG_DADDY
12-04-2000, 11:50 AM
All time meaning my lifetime as I am not an expert on people I didn't see. My picks are a little unorthdox as I follow some sports other do not. BIG DADDY PICKS:
1. Muhammed Ali
2. Michael Jordon
3. Wayne Gretsky
4. Sweetness
5. Willie Mays (I'm bias here)
6. Rickson Gracie
7. Pele
8. Kenny Roberts
9. Bill Kazmaier
10. Joe Montana

BTW Did anyone see the fight friday night?. AWESOME!!!!

Clint in Wichita
12-04-2000, 11:52 AM
Here's a few I'd put on the list that you didn't:

Jim Thorpe
Carl Lewis
Bo Jackson
Babe Ruth
Wilt Chamberlain
Jerry Rice

Brock
12-04-2000, 12:08 PM
Rickson Gracie? WHO?

Try Jesse Owens.

Bob Dole
12-04-2000, 12:14 PM
Edwin Moses

BIG_DADDY
12-04-2000, 12:19 PM
Brock,
Have you ever seen the ultimate fighting championships?. Rickson Gracie was famous for fighting without rules. It is VERY big in Japan and Brazil. The entire Gracie family has been very famous for winning these competitions worldwide. Rickson was never defeated.His brother Royce fought in the UFC. Nobody has ever done more to support their chosen sport than Rickson and their extended family.

Mark M
12-04-2000, 12:22 PM
Can't argue for you those on your list, but here's my 2˘:

1. Jordan. No one has ever affected the sport he/she played the way MJ did.
2. Jesse Owens. The feats were great, but the time in which they were done makes him even more important.
3. Gretzky. Duh.
4. Ali. Best fighter ever. His mouth and self-promotion made it possible for the mega-superstars of today.
5. Thorpe. The man did it all. Without him there would be no NFL.
6. Jackie Joyner-Kersee. Best female athlete ever. Could probably outdo most men on this list.
7. Pele. Most people don't think soccer is a true sport. For those that think that way—try it some time. You won't last five minutes.
8. Bo Jackson. Most incredible physical specimen that has ever lived.
9. Bill Russell. No one won more championships. While maybe part of great teams, he was the cog that made it all work.
10. Jim Brown. Would've set rushing records that would never have been broken had he not quit. Imagine Okoye size with Sanders' like balance and T.Davis' vision.

Just my opinion.

MM
--Note: not one freaking non-human on the list (for you ESPN).

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BroncoFan
12-04-2000, 12:26 PM
No Elway?

Brock
12-04-2000, 12:29 PM
Marilyn Chambers used to have pretty athletic moves.

BIG_DADDY
12-04-2000, 12:32 PM
Marilyn Chambers :)

BIG DADDY
Appreciates your admiration Brock

Baby Lee
12-04-2000, 12:33 PM
When you say greatest athlete, do you mean most breathtaking performances? domination over co-competitors? star-power? mental approach? creativity? pure stength? size? structure? agility? endurance, etc.? What?

If its on a pure physical ability measure, I'd expect some 'real' wrestlers, tri-athletes, swimmers and bicyclers, as well as good deal more soccer players.

If its relative to co-competitors [ie., for his time], I'd expect more female atheletes, particularly Babe Diedrickson.

If its innovation, add Tiger Woods to the list.

Mark M
12-04-2000, 12:34 PM
BF--
Definitely one of the best QBs ever, but definitely not one of the best athletes. Besides, he wouldn't have even been a Bronco had he not cried and whined like a little pu$$y when he was drafted by the Colts (?) and threatened to play baseball. That's why I never liked him. Sure, he broke my heart when he beat the Chiefs time and time again, but my hatred for horseface started the day he was drafted.

Brock--
ROTFLMAO!! Her and Torri Wells should make some kind of list! Perhaps "The 10 Most Bendy and Flexible Females".

MM
--Wondering where Butterbean falls on this list.

Mark M
12-04-2000, 12:38 PM
JC--
Good questions. I choose mine by attempting to apply all of those factors. In anything like this, personal bias also comes into play (I played a lot of soccer, so I like Pele. Other like golf and choose Palmer, or Woods or someone else).

I also picked people whose careers are over. Picking someone still active can be dangerous. A few years ago, T.Davis might've made the list. Now, probably not.

MM
--Tries to look at the whole picture.

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WisChief
12-04-2000, 12:41 PM
Well, obviously we are going to pick athletes from sports that we are biased to, so I will attempt to do the same. These are in no particular order. Fellows - these people are athletes, make no mistake about it.

Eddie Mercks - Belgian Cyclist that won the Tour De France 5 times, the Tour of Italy 5 times, won the profesional road race championships 6 times, won EVERY race on the world cup circuit at least 2 times. Held the world hour record - over 50km (31 miles in one hour) Without a doubt - the best, most perfect physical speciman to be put on this earth - PERIOD!!!

Mark Spitz - enough said

Bjorn Dhalie - Cross country skiier from Norway - has won more olympic medals and world championship medals than ANY athlete in any sport - summer or winter!

Lance Armstrong - current 2 time defending Tour De France Champ. Fully recovered from Testicular/Brain/Lung Cancer. At one point shortly after diagnosis he was given ZERO chance of living

Khalid Khannouchi - American marathon runner - current World record holder - 2:05:36 for 26.2 miles. Can any of you run 1 mile at his average pace of 4:45?

Dave Scott/Mark Allen - each won the Hawaii Ironman 6 times.

Bruce Jenner - enough said

Jacki Joyner Kersee - Best woman athlete ever!

Do not every tell me that stock car drivers/golfers/bowlers/fishermen or anyother thing like this are athletes. These people are sportsmen and I respect their ablities, but in my mind they are not athletes and shouldn't be put on any "top" list.



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MrBlond
12-04-2000, 12:44 PM
No argument with any mentioned so far(especially Marilyn!) but some others:
Bruce Jenner, Pete Sampras, Mark Spitz

And without a doubt: Bobby Boucher http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Baby Lee
12-04-2000, 12:47 PM
Ahh! Bobby Boucher, perhaps the best pure foosball player of all time.

MMRRHHEEEEE! ka-chunk!!!

MrBlond
12-04-2000, 12:53 PM
Johnny,
I had a hard time deciding between him and Happy Gilmore but had to agree with WisChief that golfers are sportsmen and not athletes.

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Mi_chief_fan
12-04-2000, 01:02 PM
BD,
Here's a couple you might have missed, or forgot. I know your lifetime has spanned a lot longer than mine: ;)

Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
they changed the NBA, not "phantom foul" Jordan.

How could you not mention Lawrence Taylor?

Phobia
12-04-2000, 01:07 PM
I agree with Bob Dole. Edwin Moses dominated the most difficult track & field event for OVER a decade. The 400 hurdles will absolutely kill anyone not in the very best of condition. World Class Triathletes hit the 300 meter mark and feel that bear jump on their back. Running the quarter mile is difficult enough. Throw 10 hurdles in there and attempt to sprint it in 46 & 47 seconds. The man was simply amazing!

BIG_DADDY
12-04-2000, 01:16 PM
Mi,
Yes I agree that magic & bird were awesome. (especially being a lakers fan) That is the problem with only 10 spots. Hell there is more sports than spots. There are many awesome athletes on this thread.

BIG DADDY
GO LAKERS!!!

Clint in Wichita
12-04-2000, 01:21 PM
Bird managed to be one of the best b-ball players ever, while being a TERRIBLE athlete. He doesn't belong in the top 10, IMO.

Randy Moss can soon be added to the list, IMO.

Mi_chief_fan
12-04-2000, 02:10 PM
Clint,
I agree with the Randy Moss comment, and as you know, I have a great deal of respect for your points of view. I disagree, however, about Larry Bird.

Watching him at the end of his career changed alot of peoples opinion of him, but in his day, he ran the floor well, saw the whole court, and had perhaps the best hand-eye coordination the game has ever seen(he and Magic were awesome passers).

I guess it depends on your view of what an "athlete" is.

Cormac
12-04-2000, 02:25 PM
MM,

Re #5. Are you saying Secretariat shouldn't have been on the top 50 list? I don't know how they managed to equate him to the others in terms of ability, but there is no way he was any less spectacular than most of them. He had poise, grace, strength, speed and stamina way above any of his comtemporaries AND he captured the public's imagination and did more for his sport, and left a legacy bigger than many of the other 50 did. JMO.

Bob Dole
12-04-2000, 02:28 PM
Bob Dole initially thought you were talking about the Soviet Secretariat, but then realized that's a horse of a completely different color...

Cormac
12-04-2000, 02:30 PM
LOL

Iowanian
12-04-2000, 02:33 PM
DAN GABLE!

how about Butterbean? a true physical specimen...

Wis.
just for you...Orlando Wilson....and the amazing grasshopper...bucking bull of the year....

Brock
12-04-2000, 02:36 PM
If we're going to include animals, I'd like to nominate that deer that kicked that dude's *** on that real video show.

Tribal Warfare
12-04-2000, 02:38 PM
Dan O'Brien and "bullet" Bob Hayes

Iowanian
12-04-2000, 02:41 PM
you forgot evil kinevel

no athlete, but tougher than boiled owl $h!t

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Baby Lee
12-04-2000, 02:42 PM
Butterbean?? Yokozuna Akebono could kick his a$$!!

Iowanian
12-04-2000, 02:45 PM
jc,


I was rying to think of that fatty's name..akebono...ah yeahh...once curled 19 boxes of cheerios at a single sitting...(not prooven fact, joke)

Clint in Wichita
12-04-2000, 03:06 PM
I think we could at least narrow the list to HUMAN athletes!

redhed
12-04-2000, 03:09 PM
How about Manny "Man Mountain" Yarborough? Anyone who weighs over 700lbs and can move like that needs consideration. Lance Armstrong needs to be in there also. And LeMond, and Eddie Mercyxx(sp)<P>

Chief Henry
12-04-2000, 04:05 PM
You guys need to look up information on the former Wrestling Coach at the University of Iowa, Dan Gable. He list of accomplishments would make your head spin.

Next time your serfing the world wide web
interesting stuff, just type in Dan Gable
wrestling. You will enjoy this mans
magnificent career.

ESPN laid a huge EGG on their face when
they did not even mention Dan Gable in thier TOP 50.




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