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NJ Chief Fan
06-28-2006, 09:58 PM
i dont know why and how anyone could allow holyfield to fight, dude is half way to being the next ali, not skill wise but mentally no disrespect to either ali or holyfield, but come on this is ridiculous

per espn.com

The "Real Deal" is returning.

Former four-time heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield, 43, is coming back from a 21-month layoff to face journeyman Jeremy Bates in a 10-round bout Aug. 19 at the American Airlines Center in Dallas.

"I'm very excited about it," Holyfield told ESPN.com on Wednesday. "Being able to finish what I've started means a lot. I was sidetracked lately, but I am getting back on the path."

A news conference to announce the fight is scheduled for Thursday afternoon at the American Airlines Center, event organizer Lester Bedford said.

Holyfield (38-8-2, 25 KOs) has lost three in a row and is 2-5-1 in his last eight fights. He hasn't fought since dropping a lopsided unanimous decision to Larry Donald on Nov. 13, 2004, in New York.

After the Donald fight, Holyfield was indefinitely suspended by the New York commission for "poor performance," meaning he couldn't fight anywhere in the United States until the suspension was lifted.

However, Holyfield protested and, after passing a series of medical tests more than a year ago, New York boxing officials changed his suspension from a medical one to an administrative one, which allowed him to seek licenses elsewhere.

Last week, Holyfield was granted one in Texas.

"I still want to be the undisputed heavyweight champ of the world," Holyfield said, repeating the mantra he has preached for the past several years. "There is no reason to fight if that was not my goal. Everything I have ever done was with that goal in mind. If my goal wasn't to be the undisputed heavyweight champ of the world then there would be no reason to get back in it."

Holyfield will promote his own event under the banner of his newly created company, Real Deal Events, with Bedford serving as his point man.

Holyfield said he worked out his problems with promoter Don King and that they parted on amicable terms.

"We came to an agreement of what would be best," Holyfield said. "We worked it out and I am free from Don. There are no bad feelings."

Bates (21-11-1, 18 KOs), 32, of Ashland, Ky., is a scrappy fighter who has faced several notable opponents, all of whom he has lost to. Among them: Kirk Johnson (KO2), Brian Minto (TKO8) and Ray Austin (TKO2), who beat him in his last bout on April 1.

"He'll come in there and fight. The guy is not going to lay down," Bedford said of Bates. "Evander has to find out where he is at. We'll take it one fight at a time. If everything goes well in this one, we will take the next step."

Holyfield has been working out on and off for about a year at trainer Ronnie Shield's Houston gym waiting for the opportunity to fight. Holyfield said the time off allowed his chronically injured shoulders to heal. He attributed his poor performance in recent fights to the shoulder problems.

"It was a hindrance and now it is healed," Holyfield said. "The time off did me good. My whole thing was that when I was going through the problems I didn't think it was that bad. But I realized I was trying to make adjustments so I could be comfortable with my shoulders, and it was changing the way I did things. I was compromising myself because of my shoulder."

Shields, who used to work as one of Holyfield's assistant trainers for several years and reunited with him as head trainer for the Donald fight, said Holyfield is as ready as he can be to fight.

"He's ready to go. In the gym, every day, he's like, 'Man, we got to get a fight,'" Shields said. "And the good thing about this is that he is [promoting] it himself. He is not depending on anyone else to do it for him."

Bedford has wanted to bring a major fight to Dallas for years. He said with tickets priced modestly from $35 to $200 and the arena set for 11,000, he thinks Holyfield can be a big draw.

Holyfield agreed: "I have fans everywhere and the people of Dallas have a chance to see the only four-time heavyweight champ of the world."

Bedford said he was working on TV coverage but that "it is not an important element to us right now."

Bedford, who has worked on boxing events throughout Texas for years, admitted he was skeptical about working with Holyfield at first.

"I have known Evander for many years and I am close to Ronnie, and they called me to come down to Houston to meet with them," Bedford said. "I wanted to see Evander for myself because you always have concerns. I wanted to talk to him and make sure everything is OK. The main thing was I wanted to find out if he really wanted to fight. I wanted to make sure he wasn't going to just go through the motions.

"There is no way he will be as good as he used to be or that he expects to be as good, but he will tell you, and Ronnie swears up and down, that Evander shouldn't have taken the four or five fights because had a bad shoulder. He wasn't healthy, so the long layoff was the best thing for him. The shoulder is well now," he said.

Shields said he will be looking for Holyfield to do certain things in the fight, otherwise he might not be able to support Holyfield continuing his career.

"I need to see him throw combinations and I need to see him knock this guy out," Shields said. "This guy, Bates, isn't a world beater, but he's a good puncher and he will push Evander. He doesn't need a guy he can hit with one punch and knock out because that is a waste of everyone's time. We need someone with a credible record who will not get hit with one shot and go down."

Shields admitted that Bates is the sort of opponent who probably wouldn't last more than a couple rounds with a prime Holyfield.

"Without a doubt that is true," Shields said. "We're not talking about the old days. We have to live in reality. This is not the old days and he knows that. This is not the Evander of the early '90s. We are looking at the Evander of 2006, but he is not afraid of his age. He takes care of himself.

"We have one goal, and that is to win the heavyweight championship of the world. We have to start somewhere. This is the start," he said.

Holyfield said if he is satisfied with his performance, he wants to fight again in September.

"I want to fight every month so I can get to where people are saying, 'Hey, you need to fight tougher guys.' Then I will say, 'OK,' and move up to another level," he said. "I've been training and preparing. I am ready. It's been a long journey."

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com

Bwana
06-28-2006, 11:45 PM
I always figured Holyfield was smarter than this. I wonder what's bringing him back, money problems or ego because it's one or the other.

pr_capone
06-28-2006, 11:47 PM
Prolly a bit of both. Thats too bad too.... like a good NFL player who simply overstayed his welcome.

Rausch
06-28-2006, 11:50 PM
He's coming back because the heavyweight division is $#it.

LHW and even MW are solid right now, but there's NOTHING in the heavy division.

I really like Jermain Taylor but he's had 2 unimpressive fights in a row. Early on he displayed some very Ali-like ability but he has yet to find that 2nd level of skill. I think he needs a new trainer, but that's just me...

greg63
06-28-2006, 11:54 PM
He's probably coming back for the same reason Ali and Frazier did; whatever their reasoning was.

Rausch
06-28-2006, 11:56 PM
He's probably coming back for the same reason Ali and Frazier did; whatever their reasoning was.

Because Ali won damned near every time. Now, he left with an azz-beating that finally got the idea across, but even Sugar Ray Leonard fell for the comeback lure...

greg63
06-29-2006, 12:03 AM
Because Ali won damned near every time. Now, he left with an azz-beating that finally got the idea across, but even Sugar Ray Leonard fell for the comeback lure...

True; these guys need to know when to walk away. If Ali would have walked away sooner maybe he could string together two words in order to form a coherent sentence.

Rausch
06-29-2006, 12:29 AM
True; these guys need to know when to walk away. If Ali would have walked away sooner maybe he could string together two words in order to form a coherent sentence.

You should read the book he and his daughter wrote. Very, very good.

"That's why..."

Fruit Ninja
06-29-2006, 12:38 AM
heavyweights have been bad for a long time. Middle weights and welterweight is where its at for boxing.

Moooo
06-29-2006, 12:40 AM
Article roughly translated...

Holyfied is trying to pull a Foreman.

Moooo

luv
06-29-2006, 12:42 AM
People still watch boxing? When they started taking it off of pay-per-view and putting it on HBO, I thought that meant people just didn't care anyore.

pr_capone
06-29-2006, 12:50 AM
I miss the Trinidad fights... before he started getting his ass kicked that is.

Rausch
06-29-2006, 12:51 AM
I miss the Trinidad fights... before he started getting his ass kicked that is.

He's still solid.

I'm getting sick of seeing Delahoya getting punked...

Valiant
06-29-2006, 12:53 AM
He was probably reminiscing about his glory days and knew how bad boxing is right now and decided he might have a chance at a solid comeback and make some jack...

Fruit Ninja
06-29-2006, 12:54 AM
People still watch boxing? When they started taking it off of pay-per-view and putting it on HBO, I thought that meant people just didn't care anyore.Its always on Pay per view, just had a good Hopkins/tarver fight a few week ago, And a lil over a month ago was Dela hoya and Myorga fight. In 2 weeks Vargas/Mosley, all Pay Per View.


I been watching boxing pretty religiously, ever since i seen my first Tyson/Ruddick fight bakc in the early 90's ithink it was. Sometimes i miss fights though.


You do get the occasional snoozefest of a fight.

Fruit Ninja
06-29-2006, 12:56 AM
He's still solid.

I'm getting sick of seeing Delahoya getting punked... When did De La Hoya get punked? Only time he ever really took a assbeating was when he fought Hopkins, which in all honesty he should have NEVER fought him. Hopkins was just way to big for him. The 2 Mosley fights he lost was suspect. 1 could have been called eitherway, while the other, i think he clearly won. You know how judging can be though.

pr_capone
06-29-2006, 12:56 AM
He's still solid.

I'm getting sick of seeing Delahoya getting punked...

Loosing to "Winky" and Hopkins didnt doo much for me.
Plus he is out of the game. Retired (again) after getting his ass handed to him by Winky.

The Trinidad vs. De LaHoya fight was tremendous though. Oscar would have won that fight had he not backed off and allowed Tito to win every round after the 5th.

Rausch
06-29-2006, 01:04 AM
When did De La Hoya get punked? Only time he ever really took a assbeating was when he fought Hopkins, which in all honesty he should have NEVER fought him. Hopkins was just way to big for him. The 2 Mosley fights he lost was suspect. 1 could have been called eitherway, while the other, i think he clearly won. You know how judging can be though.

He's been completely unimpressive in his last 5 and obviously more determined to promote the "Golden boy" image outside the ring.

He could have been a Sugar Ray Leonard but just underachieved in every way...

pr_capone
06-29-2006, 01:06 AM
He's been completely unimpressive in his last 5 and obviously more determined to promote the "Golden boy" image outside the ring.

He could have been a Sugar Ray Leonard but just underachieved in every way...

Especially against Trinidad. (:D what can I say.... I'm Puerto Rican) lol

Bwana
06-29-2006, 06:41 AM
You know how judging can be though.
Which is why I don't watch much boxing at this point. I have seen numerous judging results that were unreal and either the judges were being paid off, (likely) or had no business judging. It was getting worse than WWF. :shake: At this point I stick with the UFC fights.

chagrin
06-29-2006, 07:19 AM
Didn't evander lose, I mean give, 8 million to Brother Creflo Dollar (Love that last name of his)?

Since then I heard he was broke broke broke

Bwana
06-29-2006, 07:38 AM
Didn't evander lose, I mean give, 8 million to Brother Creflo Dollar (Love that last name of his)?

Since then I heard he was broke broke broke

Not only that, but his ex got a lot of his money not to mention the dude has more kids than your average school house.

http://www.pfo.org/hw-divrc.htm

MOhillbilly
06-29-2006, 07:51 AM
grandpa worked at the FedMed and worked around lots of bigtimers. Said boxing was fixed.

chagrin
06-29-2006, 07:55 AM
Not only that, but his ex got a lot of his money not to mention the dude has more kids than Shawn Kemp

:D

That's crazy shit - I felt angry when I read that part about the church "of Dollar" requiring the members to share personal financial information.

Bwana
06-29-2006, 07:59 AM
:D

That's crazy shit - I felt angry when I read that part about the church "of Dollar" requiring the members to share personal financial information.

Just another wacked out cult.

ck_IN
06-29-2006, 10:09 AM
This bad but IMO what's worse is Joe Mesi. The guy had bleeding on the brain. He got his license suspended but somebody in Puerto Rico gave him one and ESPN gives him air time on Friday Night Fights.

The guys head is a time bomb. One good hook and he's dead meat. But yet there he is.

I love boxing but this stuff has got to stop.

Fruit Ninja
06-29-2006, 11:54 AM
He's been completely unimpressive in his last 5 and obviously more determined to promote the "Golden boy" image outside the ring.

He could have been a Sugar Ray Leonard but just underachieved in every way...
its what happens when you fight top tier compeition, they are not all going to be pretty. The others you fight are going to be just about as good as you. He completely Destroyed Myorga, which no one thought he had a chance to do. They all thought he will win by desiscion. He will fight Floyd Jr next year. Though i dont expect hiim to win, but he till take it 12 rounds. But in no way has he been "punked" as you say. Thats bullshit. Well cept for hopkins, but i said that in my other post.

PastorMikH
06-29-2006, 12:16 PM
There hasn't been a good Heavyweight fight since Ali retired as Champ.


It was funny though to hear people who were first trying PPV complaining because they spent all that $ to watch Tyson and a 30 second bout.

NJ Chief Fan
06-29-2006, 03:36 PM
mayweather and hopkins are atop the boxing world, ever since lennox lewis retired the heavyweight division has been beyond pathetic, has there even been a a major heavyweight bout ppv worthy in the last 3 years, cause i surely dont remember


id really love to see hopkins vs roy jones