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Mr. Laz
06-29-2006, 05:38 PM
Discuss :hmmm:

JBucc
06-29-2006, 05:40 PM
no

hypersensitiveZO6
06-29-2006, 05:44 PM
Are those sex names? :shrug:

chief2000
06-29-2006, 08:00 PM
Growth hormone I heard doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor_1

Creatine may not even work. Just makes suppliers rich.
http://altmed.creighton.edu/creatine/Does_it_REALLY_Work.htm

MIAdragon
06-29-2006, 08:19 PM
Growth hormone I heard doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor_1

Creatine may not even work. Just makes suppliers rich.
http://altmed.creighton.edu/creatine/Does_it_REALLY_Work.htm

Growth hormone works like a charm.

Mr. Laz
06-29-2006, 08:37 PM
Growth hormone I heard doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor_1

Creatine may not even work. Just makes suppliers rich.
http://altmed.creighton.edu/creatine/Does_it_REALLY_Work.htm

so you're saying that all those olympic athletes are risking their careers for something that doesn't work?

mcan
06-29-2006, 09:15 PM
so you're saying that all those olympic athletes are risking their careers for something that doesn't work?


they aren't risking very much. There aren't any tests for HGH. It doesn't do very much though, except make your ears, nose, and chin grow. Makes you look like a grandpappy when you're in your mid twenties... It's not an anabolic agent.

MIAdragon
06-29-2006, 09:18 PM
they aren't risking very much. There aren't any tests for HGH. It doesn't do very much though, except make your ears, nose, and chin grow. Makes you look like a grandpappy when you're in your mid twenties... It's not an anabolic agent.


Not anymore, that was the stuff taken from cadavers in the early-mid 80’s. The synthetic stuff made now wont give you those side effects.

Moooo
06-29-2006, 09:27 PM
they aren't risking very much. There aren't any tests for HGH. It doesn't do very much though, except make your ears, nose, and chin grow. Makes you look like a grandpappy when you're in your mid twenties... It's not an anabolic agent.

You can find HGH in a blood test.

Moooo

Mr. Laz
06-30-2006, 10:56 AM
Where's BD when ya need him?

Logical
06-30-2006, 11:00 AM
they aren't risking very much. There aren't any tests for HGH. It doesn't do very much though, except make your ears, nose, and chin grow. Makes you look like a grandpappy when you're in your mid twenties... It's not an anabolic agent.Not quite true but close. HGH will not bulk you up like steroids that is true, but it does allow for more endurance though its metabolic effects. It also will slow the aging process, something you cannot see but has a definite career enhancing effect. There are also basically no side effects if your bones have closed (about 20 for the average male).

Mr. Laz
06-30-2006, 11:04 AM
Not quite true but close. HGH will not bulk you up like steroids that is true, but it does allow for more endurance though its metabolic effects. It also will slow the aging process, something you cannot see but has a definite career enhancing effect. There are also basically no side effects if your bones have closed (about 20 for the average male).

i'm looking for help in healing a nagging back injury

SLAG
06-30-2006, 11:15 AM
i'm looking for help in healing a nagging back injury


I work in a speciality pharmacy and we dispense the HGH and the Depo-Testerone,

HGH is known to keep you younger but ins. companys wont pay for thats diagnosis.

If your MD can submit a Statement of Medical Nessisity to your insurance company and they approve it then you could get it dispensed to you.. the stuff is very expensive... (around $1200- $2500/Month)

otherwise if you want the HGH cheep get down to mexico
(remember you get what you pay for)

if you do have chronic pain in your back maybe you can see a good Pain Managment specialist.

i dont know your medical history so i'm shooting in the dark here

Mr. Laz
06-30-2006, 11:17 AM
your medical history...



.... shooting in the dark here
ROFL ROFL









thanks for info

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2006, 11:17 AM
i'm looking for help in healing a nagging back injury

Your getting into way advanced things with insulin, don't mess with that shit. What's the deal with your back?

Mr. Laz
06-30-2006, 11:21 AM
Your getting into way advanced things with insulin, don't mess with that shit. What's the deal with your back?
pretty bad nerve issue


getting to the point where it's effecting the musculature surrounding it



i've read that IGF-1 has shown some positive effects on the nerve connection to muscle etc.

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2006, 11:22 AM
I work in a speciality pharmacy and we dispense the HGH and the Depo-Testerone,

HGH is known to keep you younger but ins. companys wont pay for thats diagnosis.

If your MD can submit a Statement of Medical Nessisity to your insurance company and they approve it then you could get it dispensed to you.. the stuff is very expensive... (around $1200- $2500/Month)

otherwise if you want the HGH cheep get down to mexico
(remember you get what you pay for)

if you do have chronic pain in your back maybe you can see a good Pain Managment specialist.

i dont know your medical history so i'm shooting in the dark here

You can get it cheaper out of Europe but not much. Your $1,200 figure is accurate last time I checked. HGH works significantly better when combined with testosterone enhancement. Anti-aging clinics in Eurpoe will usually prescribe both or at least they used to a number of years back. I haven't done any research in that area for a number of years now. With all the negative media coverage on steroids this administration has probably set back the progress in this area a couple decades.

SLAG
06-30-2006, 11:34 AM
You can get it cheaper out of Europe but not much. Your $1,200 figure is accurate last time I checked. HGH works significantly better when combined with testosterone enhancement. Anti-aging clinics in Eurpoe will usually prescribe both or at least they used to a number of years back. I haven't done any research in that area for a number of years now. With all the negative media coverage on steroids this administration has probably set back the progress in this area a couple decades.


The HGH is actually cheeper than some of the other drugs we dispense..

one drug "Revlimid" is VERY EXPENSIVE


LENALIDOMIDE (Revlimid®) treats a form of myelodysplastic syndromes. The medicine may help you not need blood transfusions. To get lenalidomide, you must be registered in the RevAssist™ program. Your healthcare provider will explain the program to you and have you sign an agreement form. You will only receive up to a 28 day supply of the medicine at one time. You will need a new prescription for each refill. Your prescription must be filled within 7 days of your doctor's office visit.

here is what Wal-green has prices listed for

http://www.walgreens.com/library/finddrug/druginfo1.jsp?particularDrug=Revlimid&id=646845

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2006, 11:36 AM
pretty bad nerve issue


getting to the point where it's effecting the musculature surrounding it



i've read that IGF-1 has shown some positive effects on the nerve connection to muscle etc.

There is a magazine I need to subscribe to again called Muscular Developement. http://www.musculardevelopment.com/new/mdmain.html

They keep up with every scientific study done globally on roids and they delve into the IGF-1 area. This wasn't an area I ever wanted to consider because because everything I read and doctors I talked to said there were way to many risks going that direction.

If it was me I would first get some regular chiropractic and if that didn't fully do the trick I would probably mix Deca and DMSO and apply directly to the spot. Deca increases the water content in your joints for more lubrication and may relieve that pressure your feeling. A steady diet of applied ice for 15 minutes 3x a day will help with the inflamation. That would be the direction I would go before I tried messing with anything like that. If you do end up going the IGF-1 direction I would get my hands on everything I could on the subject and then if you are comfortable get a doctor who has done this several times before. I certainly wouldn't self-prescribe and order going that direction.

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2006, 11:39 AM
The HGH is actually cheeper than some of the other drugs we dispense..

one drug "Revlimid" is VERY EXPENSIVE



here is what Wal-green has prices listed for

http://www.walgreens.com/library/finddrug/druginfo1.jsp?particularDrug=Revlimid&id=646845

I don't even want to think of what the markup is on it. I'll bet that $1,200-$2,500 prescription it's cheaper than $200 to make.

Mr. Laz
06-30-2006, 11:39 AM
There is a magazine I need to subscribe to again called Muscular Developement. http://www.musculardevelopment.com/new/mdmain.html

They keep up with every scientific study done globally on roids and they delve into the IGF-1 area. This wasn't an area I ever wanted to consider because because everything I read and doctors I talked to said there were way to many risks going that direction.

If it was me I would first get some regular chiropractic and if that didn't fully do the trick I would probably mix Deca and DMSO and apply directly to the spot. Deca increases the water content in your joints for more lubrication and may relieve that pressure your feeling. A steady diet of applied ice for 15 minutes 3x a day will help with the inflamation. That would be the direction I would go before I tried messing with anything like that. If you do end up going the IGF-1 direction I would get my hands on everything I could on the subject and then if you are comfortable get a doctor who has done this several times before. I certainly wouldn't self-prescribe and order going that direction.
thanks ... been there, done that on all the therapy stuff



to be honest, it's hard to find a Doctor that actually gives a chit. :(

SLAG
06-30-2006, 11:45 AM
I don't even want to think of what the markup is on it. I'll bet that $1,200-$2,500 prescription it's cheaper than $200 to make.


i think our "Sticker" Price on that drug is $18,000/22 Day Supply

I think Wholesale on it is something like $10,000 or so...

these #'s are just estimates actual prices vary

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2006, 12:07 PM
thanks ... been there, done that on all the therapy stuff



to be honest, it's hard to find a Doctor that actually gives a chit. :(

I hear ya bro, back issues are the worst of the worst. I have had many, many broken bones in my life but fortunately at 43 I can still do whatever I want including squats in weightlifting and jiu-jitsu. I don't even want to think about the miserable bastard I will be when that changes one day. Don't even get me started on medical in this country, your singing to the choir. Our system is completely broken. Basically we pay a fortune to talk to a pharmaceutical company represenative. Some doctors won't even deal with me because I question them. "It's like "how dare you question what I said" At this point you have to be loaded and pay cash to see a real doctor. If you have that kind of cash professional athletes come from around the globe to two places we have out here.

This first group is the one I would recommend for any spine related issues. This is the group Joe Montana went to with his back problems. They actually are fairly reasonable considering what your getting.
http://www.soarspine.com/faq.htm

The other option would be to see Dr. Aurthur Ting in Fremont. He is the one who worked on Bonds knee and got it working again. He wallpapers his place with professional athletes. I used to run the health club right next to his clinic and gave free memberships to some of the athletes he treated in exchange for work he did on me.

Ting Arthur J Md Inc
2675 Stevenson Boulevard, Fremont, CA 94538
(510) 797-5550


I think the first group is who you want to see with your issue though.