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banyon
07-01-2006, 12:03 PM
Poll to follow.


We are in the 230th year of America's independence. Will we make it to 400?

The point of this thread is to see how politically optimistic or pessimistic people are about the direction our country is headed. I get the feeling sometimes that there are a lot of people in DC that basically have a "Well the country is going to hell in a handbasket and there is nothing we can do about it." So I want to know what that handbasket will look like.

Nightwish
07-01-2006, 12:10 PM
I see it being kind of like this:

My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the motor law
And on sundays I elude the eyes and hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire, where my white-haired uncle waits.

Jump to the ground
As the turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me, an old machine ---
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red barchetta, from a better, vanished time
I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime...

Wind in my hair ---
Shifting and drifting ---
Mechanical music ---
Adrenalin surge ---

Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly, ahead of me, across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires, to run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley as another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, Ive got a desperate plan

At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside...

- Rush

Mr. Laz
07-01-2006, 12:16 PM
we will have to wear gas mask whenever we go outside.

we will no longer elect a president, our parliament will elect an Archbishop.

the Constitution we be in a museum and be replaced by the 10 commandments.

banyon
07-01-2006, 12:20 PM
oops, meant to make this multi-option.

i'll try it again and ask a mod to merge them.

banyon
07-01-2006, 12:22 PM
Poll to follow.


We are in the 230th year of America's independence. Will we make it to 400?

The point of this thread is to see how politically optimistic or pessimistic people are about the direction our country is headed. I get the feeling sometimes that there are a lot of people in DC that basically have a "Well the country is going to hell in a handbasket and there is nothing we can do about it." So I want to know what that handbasket will look like.

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 12:28 PM
Hope I'm wrong, but just a hunch....

stevieray
07-01-2006, 12:30 PM
Thirty years longer than every previous democracy.

"It's all just little bit of history repeating"

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 12:32 PM
One possibility, if we don't solve the whole technology/morality imbalance.

Nightwish
07-01-2006, 12:32 PM
You left out the Simpsons choice.

headsnap
07-01-2006, 12:33 PM
One possibility, if we don't solve the whole technology/morality imbalance.
Sanctuary?

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 12:34 PM
Sanctuary?

There is no Sanctuary!

Error...error.

banyon
07-01-2006, 12:36 PM
You left out the Simpsons choice.

yeah, and I added the robots choice and added Emperor Bush VIII.

Thought probably I was making the same point/joke as I did with Robert Byrd.

Not that I don't love :homer: Al Davis et al.

banyon
07-01-2006, 12:46 PM
One possibility, if we don't solve the whole technology/morality imbalance.

Is that the pic from Logan's Run?

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Is that the pic from Logan's Run?



Run, Runner! :cuss:

headsnap
07-01-2006, 12:55 PM
Run, Runner! :cuss:
there goes my afternoon!!!


headsnap slides the Logan's Run DVD in...

banyon
07-01-2006, 01:05 PM
I chose world government/EU.

Although I can easily see some disaster precluding that as a possiblity. But at the rate science is moving, I think it will dictate many of our sets of options.

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 01:17 PM
there goes my afternoon!!!

headsnap slides the Logan's Run DVD in...

ROFL- I dropped it in about 10 minutes after I made the post. Horrible flick, but fun. The book was even sillier.

Nightwish
07-01-2006, 01:25 PM
ROFL- I dropped it in about 10 minutes after I made the post. Horrible flick, but fun. The book was even sillier.
Horrible as it is, it is still one of the greatest sci-fi flicks ever made!

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 01:31 PM
Horrible as it is, it is still one of the greatest sci-fi flicks ever made!

True. Ever seen a little flick called "Free Enterprise"? It's got a couple of great Logans Run parody scenes. That, and it's the most self-depreciative thing that William Shatner has ever done. For the sake of Pete, it ends with a Shatner-William Shakespeare rap video: "No Tears for Caeser".

That movie gave me a great idea for a theme for a younger friend's birthday party when she was freaking out about turning 30. :D

BucEyedPea
07-01-2006, 01:45 PM
There may or may not a stint with World Government but if so... it won't work so it won't last. Things will break apart after a time, but America as we know it will be gone by then as well as EU. That I am pretty certain of.

I don't know the exact form things will shape after that into but it will not be bad...it will have at least:

aspects of original American principals
man will be have his "inhumanity to man" urges well under control if not cured
all socialisms and its various branches, will remain only in the history books as historical lessons on what not to do
banyon's offspring will be Randians:p


Those are the only aspects I have some feeling of being a liklihood.

BucEyedPea
07-01-2006, 01:56 PM
On the non-political side:

There will be a new energy source and it will be more powerful...in fact we will be in space regularly and travelling to other galaxies.

The morality technology imbalance will be balanced out too.

banyon
07-01-2006, 03:24 PM
There may or may not a stint with World Government but if so... it won't work so it won't last. Things will break apart after a time, but America as we know it will be gone by then as well as EU. That I am pretty certain of.

Yep. I included the various "world gov't'" options just for you. :)



man will be have his "inhumanity to man" urges well under control if not cured

This is the most troubling possibility that I find in our future. Science's ability to control human urges and government being willing to use that for a desired effect. It reminds me of "Miranda" in the movie Serenity If you haven't seen it, you should watch the whole Firefly series before seeing that movie. (First Adept brings up Logan's Run and now I bring up this stuff. I think science fiction has a lot of interesting things to offer about the nature of society's direction.)


all socialisms and its various branches, will remain only in the history books as historical lessons on what not to do

you wish...first you say that there will be a world gov't and curbing of behaviors and now you say that there won't be. Are you an optimist or pessimist that your political ideology will succeed or fail?


banyon's offspring will be Randians:p

I am already in a relationship, but thanks anyway. o:-)

jAZ
07-01-2006, 03:39 PM
I love that the only thing go bo is certain about is that Robert Byrd will still be West Virginia's senator.

ROFL

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 04:15 PM
First Adept brings up Logan's Run and now I bring up this stuff. I think science fiction has a lot of interesting things to offer about the nature of society's direction.

I'll agree. If you want a quick read that will really throw a number of technology related social issues at you, and force you to do some heavy thinking, try "The Light of Other Days" by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter.

Long story short, a revolution in using "Wormholes" for data transmission changes the world. They quickly realize that they can also pass light and sound through them, and only need an "anchor" of machinery at one end. You now have a camera that can look anywhere. Time and space being the same, you can also look directly at the past and see what actually happened. It also deals with a logical progression of developing neural interfaces for computer technology...i.e. "Mind Networking".

BTW- I've heard good things about Firefly/Serenity from others. I'll have to give it a try, though I've not been impressed with much else from Joss Whedon. Thanks for the suggestion! :thumb:

I wish I had as much faith as BEP that the imbalance between technology and morality will be addressed before we do something mind-shatteringly stupid.

Nightwish
07-01-2006, 09:00 PM
We will make contact with extraterrestrial life, and Raelians will be declared the official planetary religion.

Hydrae
07-01-2006, 09:04 PM
Civilization as we know it will end in 2012 with the arrival of a large meteor. The few who survive will be back in the stone age 164 years later.

Nightwish
07-01-2006, 09:09 PM
Civilization as we know it will end in 2012 with the arrival of a large meteor. The few who survive will be back in the stone age 164 years later.
Did you see that piece on Sci-Fi Channel about the top ten possible doomsday scenarios? One of them addressed this subject, though if it does happen, it won't likely be that soon. But there is a comet (I think, though it may have been an asteroid) that is projected to pass close enough to earth around the mid 2030s, and the earth's gravity may pull it off its usual orbit enough that on its next pass it could actually intersect earth's atmosphere, and with just the right angle, may pass through the atmosphere without either burning up or bouncing off, which would basically end life as we know it.

Hydrae
07-01-2006, 09:13 PM
Did you see that piece on Sci-Fi Channel about the top ten possible doomsday scenarios? One of them addressed this subject, though if it does happen, it won't likely be that soon. But there is a comet (I think, though it may have been an asteroid) that is projected to pass close enough to earth around the mid 2030s, and the earth's gravity may pull it off its usual orbit enough that on its next pass it could actually intersect earth's atmosphere, and with just the right angle, may pass through the atmosphere without either burning up or bouncing off, which would basically end life as we know it.

No, it's just my favorite crackpot idea based on one of the quatrains of Nostradamus and the fact that the Mayan calendar ends with that year.

I will have to watch for that show, sounds like fun. :)

Nightwish
07-01-2006, 09:17 PM
No, it's just my favorite crackpot idea based on one of the quatrains of Nostradamus and the fact that the Mayan calendar ends with that year.

I will have to watch for that show, sounds like fun. :)I don't know if I believe in the likelihood of any of the scenarios it presents, though all of them are nominally possible. Interestingly, it is hosted by Matt Lauer. It's called "Countdown to Doomsday." I'm sure it'll run again, because Sci-Fi channel has this policy that it has to run every show at least 134,368 times before it goes into File 13.

BucEyedPea
07-01-2006, 09:42 PM
Yep. I included the various "world gov't'" options just for you. :)
you wish...first you say that there will be a world gov't and curbing of behaviors and now you say that there won't be. Are you an optimist or pessimist that your political ideology will succeed or fail?
Honestly, I don't know where I've said that especially using those words. :hmmm:
Or you may be misuderstanding my posts.
My political ideology has been dead. I'm tryin' to revive it.



I am already in a relationship, but thanks anyway. o:-)

Is this your way of telling me to take a prolonged swim in a Siberian lake?
:p ROFL

Adept Havelock
07-01-2006, 09:44 PM
I don't know if I believe in the likelihood of any of the scenarios it presents, though all of them are nominally possible. Interestingly, it is hosted by Matt Lauer. It's called "Countdown to Doomsday." I'm sure it'll run again, because Sci-Fi channel has this policy that it has to run every show at least 134,368 times before it goes into File 13.

I also saw a cheesy one like that on Natl' Geographic. Done by the BBC, It "dramatized" a large meteor impact on Berlin, a hemorrhagic fever outbreak, and my personal favorite, the attempt to create a black hole in a lab on the earth's surface.

Nice effects on that last one.

Jesus
07-01-2006, 11:26 PM
It'll be a moot point.

Eskimo Joe
07-02-2006, 08:22 AM
Who really cares?

We will have all been long dead.

Nukes
Jesus
Disease
Radiation

Too many options that will end us before the earth is ended.

So like I said, who really cares?

patteeu
07-02-2006, 12:52 PM
There may or may not a stint with World Government but if so... it won't work so it won't last. Things will break apart after a time, but America as we know it will be gone by then as well as EU. That I am pretty certain of.

I don't know the exact form things will shape after that into but it will not be bad...it will have at least:

aspects of original American principals
man will be have his "inhumanity to man" urges well under control if not cured
all socialisms and its various branches, will remain only in the history books as historical lessons on what not to do
banyon's offspring will be Randians:p


Those are the only aspects I have some feeling of being a liklihood.

You're more optimistic than I am. I hope you're right.

BucEyedPea
07-02-2006, 04:39 PM
You're more optimistic than I am. I hope you're right.
That date banyon posted is a good ways off in time, patteeu.
Doesn't mean I don't expect no calamities in-between...in fact I do.
I expect at least one that will be on the order of the fall of the Roman Empire, with many of the same mistakes made as man has made in the past....but new will take it's place just as before as well.

Cochise
07-02-2006, 04:45 PM
The US, bankrupted by cradle-to-grave socialism, will have splintered into regional republics.

Eskimo Joe
07-02-2006, 05:50 PM
The US, bankrupted by cradle-to-grave socialism, will have splintered into regional republics.

Yeah, but will you still be able to buy weed on the street corner in the Disassociated States of America?

banyon
07-02-2006, 06:42 PM
The US, bankrupted by cradle-to-grave socialism, will have splintered into regional republics.

Did you misvote?

Was it the Butterfly Ballot that I used?

KC Jones
07-02-2006, 06:47 PM
U.S. will be a much smaller player in international politics. We'll be more like Europe today - in a state of decay, looking backwards to our glory years, swallowing our principles in an attempt to hold on to what's left of our power/wealth.

Count Alex's Losses
07-02-2006, 06:55 PM
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6716/ufp2pa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Count Alex's Losses
07-02-2006, 06:56 PM
One possibility, if we don't solve the whole technology/morality imbalance.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=59101&stc=1



What happened here? Did Bush fire the landscaper?

Adept Havelock
07-02-2006, 07:18 PM
What happened here? Did Bush fire the landscaper?

And you call yourself a sci-fi fan....
:harumph:

Cochise
07-02-2006, 08:24 PM
Did you misvote?

Was it the Butterfly Ballot that I used?

Well, I didn't see the civil war part happening. And then I thought about it more between voting and posting.

I could see an EU-like confederation covering a lot of first world and developing nations, but maybe not the whole globe. I'm not sure what incentive such an organization would have to include undeveloped countries with not a lot to contribute.

mlyonsd
07-02-2006, 08:30 PM
Awesome poll banyon.

Your options were so good I could hardly judge which to pick. I have no idea nor could guess what 2176 will look politically.

banyon
07-03-2006, 09:52 AM
Run, Runner! :cuss:

Well Adept, you got me too.

I watched it again yesterday. I forgot somehow that it had Jenny Agutter in it. She's purty. :drool:

Still, it's proof that a science fiction movie doesn't have to be good to be good. :spock:

Seriously, having a great premise is about 3/4 of the work of making good sci-fi.

banyon
07-03-2006, 09:53 AM
Awesome poll banyon.

Your options were so good I could hardly judge which to pick. I have no idea nor could guess what 2176 will look politically.

Thanks. Well, I'm no Rain Man, but I try. :)

listopencil
07-05-2006, 05:38 PM
Bump.

ck_IN
07-06-2006, 03:39 PM
Very interesting. I'm glad I came into DC today. I usually avoid this forum.

My opinion is that the US will still exist but that Europe will consolidate under the EU banner. They won't be 3rd world but won't be far from it.

By this point we've mastered fusion or some other form of energy so the camel jockey's in the middle east will once more be irrelevent.

There will finally be a Palestine and actually a few Palestinans that know what to do with peace. But only a few.

At some point China and India will have bumped heads and killed enough of each other that they're no longer a threat to anyone. North and South Korea will be united after a USSR style colapse of the North. Africa will have cleansed itself of most of its current corruption and actually be an economic power along the lines of todays Brazil.

I think tera forming will be taking place on Mars with a permanent colony living there. Perhaps the moon as well. By this point we'll have figured out how to travel around the solar system in a reasonable time but not to other stars just yet.

By now personel electronics consists of a chip under the skin that operates by nerve firings. When you want to talk to someone you think of them The nerves fire and they recieve your signal. The conversation will be a crude type of telepathy. Ditto for conversing with computers and machinery.

And no the Chiefs will not have won a playoff game yet. They came close in 2078 under Dick Vermeil IV. but the kicker that Carl Peterson the 3rd signed for a coke machine and some shoelaces misses a kick against the Colts and we lose by two points.

Count Alex's Losses
07-06-2006, 04:03 PM
It's too bad there won't be any natural wildlife on Mars, terraforming or not. I can't really think of a reason I'd want to visit.