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memyselfI
07-03-2006, 11:13 AM
Looks like this investigation is moving at lightning speed. :hmmm:

affidavit that was filed:
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/usgreen63006cmp.html


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060703/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_us_investigation;_ylt=A0SOwmjSQalEqxQBFQtX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Federal prosecutors charged a veteran of the Iraq war with murder and rape Monday in connection with the killing of an Iraqi woman and members of her family.


Steven D. Green, a 21-year-old former private first class who was discharged from the Army, appeared in a federal magistrate's courtroom in Charlotte Monday.

The charges grew out of a military investigation involving up to five soldiers in the March rape and killing of the woman in Mahmoudiya and three of her relatives.

Prosecutors said Green and other soldiers entered the home of a family of Iraqi civilians, where he and others raped a member of the family before Green shot her and three of her relatives to death.

Green was arrested in recent days in North Carolina, two federal law enforcement officials said Monday. He is being held without bond pending a transfer to Louisville, Ky. Green had served with the 101st Airborne, based at Fort Campbell, Ky. It was unclear why Green had been discharged from the Army.

On Friday, the U.S. military acknowledged that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, had ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya.

Four members of the 502nd Infantry Regiment have had their weapons taken away and were confined to a U.S. base near Mahmoudiya, officials said. If convicted of premeditated murder, the soldiers could receive a death sentence under U.S. military law.

The suspects belong to the same unit as two soldiers kidnapped and killed south of Baghdad last month, a military official said on condition of anonymity because the case was under way.

The military has said that one and possibly both of the slain soldiers were tortured and beheaded. The official said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one member of the platoon to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

One soldier was arrested after admitting his role in the alleged attack on the family. the official said. The official said the rape and killings appeared to have been a "crime of opportunity," noting that the soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 11:20 AM
Oh, just lovely. This was a CHILD that was raped and murdered. 15 years old. No wonder the military is moving so fast. :shake:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/02/AR2006070200673.html

Details Emerge in Alleged Army Rape, Killings

By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, July 3, 2006; Page A15

BAGHDAD, July 2 -- Fifteen-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza was afraid, her mother confided in a neighbor.

As pretty as she was young, the girl had attracted the unwelcome attention of U.S. soldiers manning a checkpoint that the girl had to pass through almost daily in their village in the south-central city of Mahmudiyah, her mother told the neighbor.


Abeer told her mother again and again in her last days that the soldiers had made advances toward her, a neighbor, Omar Janabi, said this weekend, recounting a conversation he said he had with the girl's mother, Fakhriyah, on March 10.

Fakhriyah feared that the Americans might come for her daughter at night, at their home. She asked her neighbor if Abeer might sleep at his house, with the women there.

Janabi said he agreed.

Then, "I tried to reassure her, remove some of her fear," Janabi said. "I told her, the Americans would not do such a thing."

Abeer did not live to take up the offer of shelter.

Instead, attackers came to the girl's house the next day, apparently separating Abeer from her mother, father and young sister.

Janabi and others knowledgeable about the incident said they believed that the attackers raped Abeer in another room. Medical officials who handled the bodies also said the girl had been raped, but they did not elaborate.

Before leaving, the attackers fatally shot the four family members -- two of Abeer's brothers had been away at school -- and attempted to set Abeer's body on fire, according to Janabi, another neighbor who spoke on condition of anonymity, the mayor of Mahmudiyah and a hospital administrator with knowledge of the case.

The U.S. military said last week that authorities were investigating allegations of a rape and killings in Mahmudiyah by soldiers of the 502nd Infantry Regiment, part of the 4th Infantry Division.

The mayor of Mahmudiyah, Mouyad Fadhil Saif, said Sunday that the case was being investigated by the U.S. military as an alleged atrocity.

Janabi was one of the first people to arrive at the house after the attack, he said Saturday, speaking to a Washington Post special correspondent at the home of local tribal leaders. He said he found Abeer sprawled dead in a corner, her hair and a pillow next to her consumed by fire, and her dress pushed up to her neck.

"I was sure from the first glance that she had been raped," he said.

Despite the reassurances he had given the girl's mother earlier, Janabi said, "I wasn't surprised what had happened, when I found that the suspicion of the mother was correct."

The U.S. military has not identified the victims. U.S. military officials contacted this weekend said they did not know the names of the people involved or most other details of the case, although one military official confirmed that according to preliminary information gathered by investigators, the family lived near a U.S. checkpoint and the killings happened about March 12.

The military official pointed to one discrepancy in the accounts, however. Preliminary information in the military investigation put the age of the alleged rape victim at 20, rather than 15, as reported by her neighbors, officials and hospital records and officials in Mahmudiyah.

U.S. soldiers at the scene initially ascribed the killings to Sunni Arab insurgents active in the area, the U.S. military and local residents said. That puzzled villagers, who knew that the family was Sunni, Janabi said. Other residents assumed the killings were sectarian, with Shiite Muslim militiamen as the likely culprit.

But on June 23, three months after the incident, two soldiers of the 502nd came forward to say that soldiers of the unit were responsible, a U.S. military official said last week. The U.S. military began an investigation the next day, the official said.

Officials said last week that none of the four soldiers under investigation had been detained, although one had been discharged for unrelated reasons.

Family members have given permission for exhumation of Abeer's body, Janabi and the mayor said.

The case is at least the fourth American military investigation announced since March of alleged atrocities by U.S. forces in Iraq.

The rape allegation makes the Mahmudiyah case potentially incendiary in Iraq. Rape is seen as a crime smearing the honor of the family as well as the victim in conservative communities here.

Death certificates viewed Sunday at the Mahmudiyah hospital identified the victims as Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, 34, killed by gunshots to her head; Qasim Hamza Raheem, 45, whose head was "smashed" by bullets; Hadeel Qasim Hamza, 7, Abeer's sister, shot; and Abeer, shot in the head. Abeer's body also showed burns, the death certificate noted

Janabi said U.S. soldiers controlled the scene of the killings for several hours on March 11, telling neighbors that insurgents were responsible. The bodies of the victims were taken to Mahmudiyah hospital by March 12, according to Janabi and an official at the hospital, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

On March 13, a man identifying himself as a relative claimed the bodies for burial, the hospital official said. An hour after the man left with the bodies, U.S. soldiers came to the hospital and asked about the bodies, the hospital official said.

The next day, the hospital official said, soldiers scoured the area, trying to find the funeral for the family.

"But they did not find it, simply because the relatives did not do it, because the death includes the rape of one of the family members, which is something shameful in our tradition," the hospital official said.

"The family kept the news a secret, fearing the disgrace," he said. "They thought it was done by militias, not U.S. forces."

Reached by telephone Saturday at his home in Iskandariyah, south of Mahmudiyah, a member of the extended family would not discuss the incident.

"What is the benefit of publishing this story?" said Abeer's uncle, Bassem. "People will read about this crime. And they will forget about it the next day."

Two special correspondents in Mahmudiyah and special correspondent Bassam Sebti in Baghdad contributed to this report.

go bowe
07-03-2006, 12:51 PM
these kinds of threads are not much fun...

i mean, how can you post jokes on a thread about our troops and the misconduct of a handful of crazies?

as far as her age, based on some of the 15 year olds i know, they could have thought she was older...

of course, that would still make the rape(s?) and murders apalling crimes...

shit happens in war, and it's almost a given that a tiny fraction of the enormous number of troops who have rotated through iraq would commit some kinds of crimes (that's part of why the military police exist)...

i feel bad for the victims' family and at the same time i hope that the soldiers involved get fair trials and acquitted if they are innocent...

situations like this just generally suck all the way around...

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 01:35 PM
Yep, and what is ironic is the military sources are the ones providing the most detail and things that the MSM isn't revealing yet. Someone in the military is VERY anxious to distance themselves from the folks allegedly involved in this. For instance:

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1926388.php

Former soldier charged with rape, murder

By Tim Whitmire
Associated Press


CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Federal prosecutors charged a veteran of the Iraq war with murder and rape Monday following an investigation into the killing of an Iraqi woman and members of her family.

Steven D. Green, a 21-year-old former private first class who was discharged from the Army, appeared in a federal magistrate’s courtroom in Charlotte on Monday. Prosecutors said Green and other soldiers entered the home of a family of Iraqi civilians, where he and others raped a member of the family before Green shot her and three of her relatives to death.


The FBI said its agents arrested Green on Friday in Marion, N.C., and he is being held without bond pending a transfer to Louisville, Ky. Green had served with the 101st Airborne, based at Fort Campbell, Kentucky

The case is being handled by federal prosecutors because Green has been discharged from the Army. According to an affidavit filed along with the criminal complaint, Green was discharged “before this incident came to light. Green was discharged due to a personality disorder.”
He faces a possible death sentence if convicted of murder.

The affidavit, filed by FBI special agent Gregor J. Ahlers of Louisville, said Green and three other soldiers from the 101st’s 502nd Infantry Regiment were working a traffic checkpoint in Mahmoudiya on March 12 when they conspired to rape a woman who lived nearby.

According to the affidavit’s account, the soldiers changed their clothes before going to the woman’s residence to avoid detection. Once there, the affidavit said, Green took three members of the family into a bedroom, after which shots were heard from inside.

“Green came to the bedroom door and told everyone, ‘I just killed them. All are dead,”’ the affidavit said.

The affidavit is based on interviews conducted by the FBI and investigators at Fort Campbell with three unidentified soldiers assigned to Green’s platoon. One of the soldiers said he witnessed another soldier and Green rape the woman.

“After the rape, (the soldier) witnessed Green shoot the woman in the head two to three times,” the affidavit said.

On Friday, the U.S. military acknowledged that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, had ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya.

Four members of the 502nd have had their weapons taken away and were confined to a U.S. base near Mahmoudiya, officials said.

The suspects belong to the same unit as two soldiers kidnapped and killed south of Baghdad last month, a military official said on condition of anonymity because the case was under way.

The military has said that one and possibly both of the slain soldiers were tortured and beheaded. The official said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one member of the platoon to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

According to the affidavit filed Monday, investigators learned of the March 12 attack during a combat stress debriefing that occurred around June 20.

Green will have a preliminary hearing and a detention hearing on July 10 in Charlotte, and will then be brought to Louisville, said Marisa Ford, chief of the criminal division for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Louisville.

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banyon
07-03-2006, 01:37 PM
Why did there need to be another thread on this topic?

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 01:52 PM
Ah, this article provides an interesting piece of info that the people who are wanting to poo-poo this story will be happy to hear:


http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/D_IMAGE.10c152b4e38.93.88.fa.d0.2053f3c2.jpgFormer Army soldier Steven D. Green (center) is escorted by U.S. Marshals from United States Federal Courthouse in Charlotte Monday after making his first court appearance.

Breaking News: Ex-soldier charged with rape, murder 1:47 PM

02:11 PM EDT on Monday, July 3, 2006
MELISSA MANWARE mmanware@charlotteobserver.com


PATRICK SCHNEIDER/Observer Staff

Former Army soldier Steven D. Green (center) is escorted by U.S. Marshals from United States Federal Courthouse in Charlotte Monday after making his first court appearance.

A former Army soldier has been charged with rape and murder of an Iraqi woman.

Steven D. Green made a first appearance in federal court in Charlotte this morning, and is being held in the Mecklenburg County jail.

Green, 21, is accused of raping an Iraqi woman, then shooting her with an AK-47 on March 12 in Mahmudiyah, Iraq.

The woman's family also was killed, and other charges will be forthcoming, U.S. Magistrate Carl Horn said during the hearing.

Green was honorably discharged because of a personality disorder before military officials knew of the incident.

He was arrested in North Carolina by FBI agents based out of Asheville on Friday. It's not clear where he had been living, but he attended a funeral for a fellow soldier in Arlington, Va., recently. He was due to return a rental car in Fort Campbell over the weekend.

Green is registered to vote in Midland, Tex.
The woman's body was found in the house with three other bodies, including a child. According to documents unsealed this morning, other soldiers told military counselors during a combat stress debriefing about the attack. The soldiers told officials that Green killed the woman's family, then raped and killed her.

According to the documents, the soldiers, members of the 101st Airborne Division out of Fort Campbell, Ky., saw the woman during a traffic patrol. They told another soldier to monitor the radio while four soldiers went to the home.

While there, Green went into a bedroom with the woman's three family members and closed the door. When he emerged, he said: "I just killed them, all are dead," according to the documents.

Then he and another soldier raped the woman. Afterwards, Green shot her in the head 2-3 times, soldiers told investigators.

The soldiers threw the AK-47, which was already in the house when they arrived, in a canal across the street. The woman's body was found burned, the documents said.

When the four returned from the home, they had blood on their clothes, which they burned.

The magistrate scheduled a probable cause hearing for next Monday in Charlotte. U.S. Marshals are making arrangements to send Green back to Kentucky.

ct
07-03-2006, 01:55 PM
Hey mememe, where's that story about some civilian getting his hoggin lopped off by some terrorist wackjob? I think I may need 9 independant versions to confirm that this was, in fact, a bad deal for him.

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 03:25 PM
Hey mememe, where's that story about some civilian getting his hoggin lopped off by some terrorist wackjob? I think I may need 9 independant versions to confirm that this was, in fact, a bad deal for him.

Post them.

Wait, the last beheadings we heard about were military folks. Perhaps connected to this case... :hmmm:

mlyonsd
07-03-2006, 03:30 PM
Why did there need to be another thread on this topic?

I'm not sure since there are prolly thousands of other Americans that have committed murder and rape. You'd think somebody without a motive might mix up her murder threads once in a while.

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 03:38 PM
It's making sense now. Why the military would announce this investigation and the guilty plea. They really wanted to get out in front of this investigation and lessen the impact of the information that is now starting to surface.

It's rather unlucky for the military that this guy was discharged. I think if he were still in their ranks they probably could have done this investigation without some of the grisly details surfacing. But because the guy is now a civilian they needed the Feds involved. With the Feds involved the ability to control the news coming out is severely hampered. And if they try to ask for a 'gag order' it would look worse than the stream of information now coming out.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/03/us/03cnd-arrest.html?hp&ex=1151985600&en=6735e03ea1f6c7f9&ei=5094&partner=homepage

WASHINGTON, July 3 — Federal prosecutors said today that an American soldier killed an Iraqi man, two women and a little girl in their home the night of March 12 after the soldier and his comrades plotted to rape one of the women while drinking at a traffic checkpoint a short distance away.

The prosecutors charged the suspect, Steven D. Green, 21, with shooting the four victims to death. They said he and others raped one of the women. If found guilty, the defendant could be sentenced to death.

The charges were announced by the United States attorney for western Kentucky, David L. Huber, who said the defendant is expected to be brought to Louisville after his initial appearance, held earlier today, in Charlotte, N.C. The defendant, who was arrested on Friday in Marion, N.C., was a private first class in the 101st Airborne Division and had been stationed at Fort Campbell, Ky., before going to Iraq.

Prosecutors said the defendant was discharged from the Army "due to a personality disorder" before the March 12 incident came to light. An affidavit filed in connection with the charges raises the possibility that others will be charged, since the document states that "members" of the 101st Airborne Division killed the Iraqis and that "the same individuals" raped and killed one of the women. The others were not identified by name.

The affidavit, by an F.B.I. special agent, Gregor J. Ahlers, said details of the crime emerged during a "combat stress debriefing" on June 20. Private Green and at least three others planned the rape and told another soldier to monitor the radio while they went to the house near Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad, according to the affidavit. Some of the participants changed out of their uniforms before going to the house and had blood on their clothes when they returned, the affidavit said.

After the murder-and-rape rampage, the affidavit states, the soldiers burned their clothes and told the comrade who had been left to monitor the radio that "this is never to be discussed again."

The F.B.I. affidavit portrays a crime at once chilling and calculated. Before raping one woman, Private Green confined her relatives to a bedroom, the document states. Shots were heard inside, after which Private Green came to the door and said, "I just killed them, all are dead," the affidavit goes on. Then Private Green and another "known participant" were seen raping the woman before Private Green shot her in the head "two to three times," the document states.

An AK-47 already in the house was used in at least some of the slayings and was dumped in a nearby canal afterward, the F.B.I. agent said.

The affidavit says prosecutors have 15 crime-scene photographs that corroborate the accounts of witnesses. "These photos include, but are not limited to, pictures of an Iraqi female, an Iraqi male, a young girl," the affidavit says. "These photos also depict the burned body of what appears to be a woman with blankets thrown over her upper torso."

SBK
07-03-2006, 03:44 PM
I'm not sure since there are prolly thousands of other Americans that have committed murder and rape. You'd think somebody without a motive might mix up her murder threads once in a while.

ROFL

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 05:13 PM
The affidavit that was filed by the FBI is available online. Terrible stuff. :shake: Fascinating reading. I'm not lawyer but it seems as if the accused are not covering for each other and are in fact pointing fingers.

It also says that Green attended the funeral of one of the two soldiers who was murdered. I wonder how those parents will feel after hearing this. Especially if a link between Green's alleged crime and the murder of their son is cemented.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/usgreen63006cmp.html

banyon
07-03-2006, 05:23 PM
The affidavit that was filed by the prosecutor is available online. Terrible stuff. :shake: Fascinating reading. I'm not lawyer but it seems as if the accused are not covering for each other and are in fact pointing fingers.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/usgreen63006cmp.html

So maybe 1 or more than 1 of them is arguing that they are not guilty of the charges they are facing (i.e. lesser charges). Huh, I thought they'd all confessed and that was end of story. weird.http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/memphis/phpbb/images/smiles/01-wingedeagle.gif

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 05:27 PM
So maybe 1 or more than 1 of them is arguing that they are not guilty of the charges they are facing (i.e. lesser charges). Huh, I thought they'd all confessed and that was end of story. weird.http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/memphis/phpbb/images/smiles/01-wingedeagle.gif

Uh, I've only read one confessed. Please show a link where you've seen more than one.

jettio
07-03-2006, 05:27 PM
Another immoral disgrace from Midland, Texas, responsible for shaming our country.

banyon
07-03-2006, 05:30 PM
Uh, I've only read one confessed. Please show a link where you've seen more than one.

you just said that they were pointing fingers at "each other". Is the confessor not among the finger pointers?

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 05:31 PM
you just said that they were pointing fingers at "each other". Is the confessor not among the finger pointers?

Yeah, but that does not mean the rest have admitted guilt. So far we have one who has admitted guilt and the rest are pointing fingers at everyone else.

banyon
07-03-2006, 05:35 PM
Yeah, but that does not mean the rest have admitted guilt. So far we have one who has admitted guilt and the rest are pointing fingers at everyone else.
So then he's essentially revoking his confession by doing the finger pointing. That's what I said the first time.

memyselfI
07-03-2006, 05:37 PM
No. He confessed and he's IMPLICATING OTHERS...

banyon
07-03-2006, 05:45 PM
No. He confessed and he's IMPLICATING OTHERS...

Ok I stand corrected. He still gets his trial though.

mikey23545
07-03-2006, 07:58 PM
No. He confessed and he's IMPLICATING OTHERS...

So, just out of curiosity, how many times have you cum while posting all this?

jspchief
07-03-2006, 10:50 PM
There are bad apples in every basket.

I'm just glad this the exception rather than the rule. If you look at the number of crimes/convictions, relative to the number of soldiers over there, it seems to me that our soldiers in Iraq might be about the most well-behaved collection of Americans on the entire planet.

MarcBulger
07-04-2006, 12:22 AM
I hope the allegations are wrong. However, sheet happens if he and others are guilty they deserve punishment. Does this not show how Duuunesse and the rest of the left love it when bad things happen. I bet her pants got wet as hell when she heard the news.

patteeu
07-04-2006, 11:48 AM
There are bad apples in every basket.

I'm just glad this the exception rather than the rule. If you look at the number of crimes/convictions, relative to the number of soldiers over there, it seems to me that our soldiers in Iraq might be about the most well-behaved collection of Americans on the entire planet.

:thumb:

listopencil
07-05-2006, 05:37 PM
Bump.