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MOhillbilly
07-05-2006, 03:23 PM
just because it was easy?

the retard that works upfront was callin social services to get back on welfare cause after a year of being married and having a 4 yearold theyre finally moving out.FROM HIS PARENTS HOUSE!

so she makes the call and when she hang up i say. GOING BACK ON WELFARE?
yes she says.
WHY DONT YOU GET ANOTHER JOB OR QUIT SMOKING DOPE?

we dont smoke dope we get it free she says.

FREE BECAUSE YOURE SELLING IT HUH?

mumble mumble no our friends give it to us mumble mumble.

WHY DONT YOU GET ANOTHER JOB?

mumble mumble i work 40 hours mumble mumble.

FUNNY I HAVENT SEEN YOU WORK A 40 HOUR WEEK IN MONTHS.


i hate her.

now shes on a personal call cause the welfare website is confusing expecting me to answer the phone.

christ i cant wait till they hire someone to take my position and i can GTF outta here.

Iowanian
07-05-2006, 03:33 PM
As a last resort, short term, in a desparate situation to feed my kids? yes.

Because I'm too lazy to "do a little more" to float? Over my dead body.

There are times and situations where its used to "help" people get on their feet, that I think its a useful tool of society.


I found out this weekend, I've got a couple of estranged cousins...one a 25 year old "genius" who has flunked out of school 5-6 times because he plays video games all night, and his 28 year old, worthless longhair "I won't work full time because I want to be in a baaaaaaaand" brother....both single, both on welfare, both useless to society.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-05-2006, 03:36 PM
It was a very tight stretch for me and the wife to move here to Charlotte. I took food stamps for 3 months. I've never done it before, I don't plan on ever doing it again. However, I have no qualms with the fact that I did it though. I have paid taxes for 15 years, and if I need government assistance because I'm trying to accomplish something I think will benefit my family as far as I'm concerned that's what it's there for.

Moooo
07-05-2006, 03:41 PM
Where I'm from there's tons of people on welfare, and some of the conditions they had to put up with were nothing short of horrible.

I would hate living on welfare. People think people on welfare have it made but they don't, unless they're doing some sort of under-the table work on the side.

Moooo

MOhillbilly
07-05-2006, 03:41 PM
ive been dirt ass poor and never even considered welfare.

we were so poor at times right after my parents got divorced we didnt have heat or hot water.

get tough or die.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-05-2006, 03:42 PM
ive been dirt ass poor and never even considered welfare.

we were so poor at times right after my parents got divorced we didnt have heat or hot water.

get tough or die.


And what exactly did all that pride do for you? Besides make you cold.

Jenson71
07-05-2006, 03:43 PM
I don't need welfare. All I need is this thermos.

MOhillbilly
07-05-2006, 03:46 PM
And what exactly did all that pride do for you? Besides make you cold.
made me tough. and im not cold, i just dont see htf anyone who doesnt really need it could ask for a hand out. and not do w/ OUT DOPE OR VIDEO GAMES OR CELL PHONES OR CABLE TV.

**** you.

if you dont have. you do without,you work harder, you ****ing knuckle up.

Im ****ing proud that my mother and myself have done well for ourselves worked hard and made better.
And never w/ assistance and not because we didnt want to go w/ out things we could have done without.

ChiefsFire
07-05-2006, 03:47 PM
there is a ton of welfare abuse in this world....yes,there are certain people who need and use it properly..but there are some lowlife scum out there who use it for smokes and beer and not food for the kids or pay utilities...pisses me off to think of hom much money i pay in every month just so Susy Dirtycrotch can sit on her ass and smoke marlboros all frickin day....

Jenson71
07-05-2006, 03:49 PM
there is a ton of welfare abuse in this world....yes,there are certain people who need and use it properly..but there are some lowlife scum out there who use it for smokes and beer and not food for the kids or pay utilities...pisses me off to think of hom much money i pay in every month just so Susy Dirtycrotch can sit on her ass and smoke marlboros all frickin day....

I doubt you can buy cigs and beer with food stamps. I know you definitely can not in Iowa. However, you can buy all the pop and candy you want, and that needs to be regulated. What a person on foodstamps can buy should be regulated, similar to the mothers/infants certificates.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-05-2006, 03:50 PM
made me tough. and im not cold, i just dont see htf anyone who doesnt really need it could ask for a hand out of do w/ OUT DOPE OR VIDEO GAMES OR CELL PHONES OR CABLE TV.

**** you.

if you dont have you do without,you work harder, you ****ing knuckle up.

Im ****ing proud that my mother and myself have done well for ourselves worked hard and made better.
And never w/ assistance because we didnt want to go w/ out things we could have done without.



Dude, in no way am I condoning these f*ckin assholes that abuse the welfare system. I'm just sayin that anyone who ACTUALLY needs it, deserves it. I didn't have a cell phone, cable tv, or anything else when I took it. I didn't know how I was gonna pay my ****in rent. I've been a tax paying American for a long time, and I'll be goddammed if I'm gonna make my wife do without eating balanced meals over pride. What the f*ck do you pay taxes for? Just to support these pondscum motherf*ckers that are NEVER going to do anything with their lives. As far as I'm concerned I was just getting some of MY money back.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2006, 03:51 PM
No! I'd like to say nevah!

Exception would be: If this country took 75% in taxes outta everyone or some such and we were overwhelming socialized. Then I'd go on it out of protest to collapse the system...as it wouldn't be worth working.

Simplex3
07-05-2006, 03:51 PM
I was unemployed and totally busted and I never once took a nickle of govt. aid. I ate nothing but rice for 3 days because it was all I had in the house and my next temp job hadn't paid me yet. I refuse to take from the system that I do my best to not pay into.

I also don't give nearly as much to charities as I would if I wasn't being forced to help a bunch of lazy POS slackers. As it is I give a few thousand every year to some veteran's charities. Those guys earned my help regardless of whatever political and social issues I have with society today.

MOhillbilly
07-05-2006, 03:51 PM
Dude, in no way am I condoning these f*ckin assholes that abuse the welfare system. I'm just sayin that anyone who ACTUALLY needs it, deserves it. I didn't have a cell phone, cable tv, or anything else when I took it. I didn't know how I was gonna pay my ****in rent. I've been a tax paying American for a long time, and I'll be goddammed if I'm gonna make my wife do without eating balanced meals over pride. What the f*ck do you pay taxes for? Just to support these pondscum motherf*ckers that are NEVER going to do anything with their lives. As far as I'm concerned I was just getting some of MY money back.

did you work at all while you were on it?

Mr. Flopnuts
07-05-2006, 03:54 PM
did you work at all while you were on it?


I just moved here from Seattle. I moved here without a job in hand because no one would hire me from across country. The second I got a job I called and cancelled them, and didn't use the ones they told me I qualified for. I got an advance from my employer. I wasn't trying to flame on you dude, what you're saying is noble. I was merely saying that if you NEED them, you have paid for them over and over again.

Sully
07-05-2006, 04:07 PM
there is a ton of welfare abuse in this world....yes,there are certain people who need and use it properly..but there are some lowlife scum out there who use it for smokes and beer and not food for the kids or pay utilities...pisses me off to think of hom much money i pay in every month just so Susy Dirtycrotch can sit on her ass and smoke marlboros all frickin day....


You have to admit, though...
Being born with the name Susy Dirtycrotch puts you behind the 8 ball from the get go.

Jilly
07-05-2006, 04:14 PM
You have to admit, though...
Being born with the name Susy Dirtycrotch puts you behind the 8 ball from the get go.

That one made me pee my pants a little!!!

ZootedGranny
07-05-2006, 04:16 PM
I'd go on welfare for a million bucks.

ChiefsFire
07-05-2006, 04:17 PM
That one made me pee my pants a little!!!


Susy...is that you?

kchero
07-05-2006, 05:55 PM
Welfare is out of control. Trust me, I work in a pharmacy where I see 20 year old girls with 3 kids with 3 different last names and wanna be pimps driving high dollar SUV's come in on medicaid and get there prescriptions for 50 cents while the WW 2 vets come in and have to pay full price for there medications. The system is completely unfair. First off all there is too much of it out there and its going to the wrong people. Our political policies make people that are on this system stay in the system because it rewards them for not working. (Thanks to a majority of democrats)....sorry my fellow liberal friends :)

redbrian
07-05-2006, 06:07 PM
I doubt you can buy cigs and beer with food stamps. I know you definitely can not in Iowa. However, you can buy all the pop and candy you want, and that needs to be regulated. What a person on foodstamps can buy should be regulated, similar to the mothers/infants certificates.

Here is how it can be done, a person buys some small item with a large denomination in food stamps, and they receive change in real money.

There are two ways to stop this, the merchant can give change in food stamps or they utilize a debit card system.

The debit card system is the best, the merchandise is rung up only those items approved for food stamps are allowed to be deducted the balance must be paid by the customer out of pocket.

ChiefFripp
07-05-2006, 06:09 PM
Welfare for single mothers is a good thing as long as they don't abuse the system. I can really understand how a single mother would go on welfare with all the deadbeat dads out there. If a father can't work for legit reasons and is the sole provider for a family, I can see it also.

I'm sure the system has helped a ton of good people get back on their feet, it's the leaches/deadbeats that ruin an otherwise honorable system(as usual).

...as for the original question; life can throw suprises at your obviously so there is no telling what i would or wouldn't do if necessary, I could only speculate.

Bwana
07-05-2006, 06:11 PM
It would have to be life or death.

Rain Man
07-05-2006, 06:28 PM
I've actually read that most welfare recipients (I think it's called TANF now) are only on the program temporarily. It's the few who abuse it that get all of the media coverage.

If that is indeed true, I don't have a huge problem with the program. The only thing that's a bit annoying is that I figure the people most likely to use it are those who don't plan ahead well. Even so, I don't mind the concept of having some sort of safety net if I should happen to roll boxcars half a dozen times in a row in the game of life.

As a little side note, I got laid off from my job back in January of 1991. On the same day that I got my layoff notice, I got a notice that I had been accepted into graduate school to start in August, so I had six months of dead time, which was a bit of a problem. I collected unemployment for that six months, which I thought was fair since I was laid off with no notice and no severance pay, and then I started school.

I was then notifed that, because I was laid off in a large mass layoff (roughly 12,000 people), I was eligible for "dislocated worker retraining payments," which would pay me some nice amount ($600 a month or thereabouts) while I retrained myself in school. All I had to do was fill out a form every week and get a school administrator to sign it, so it was easy money. I did that.

The only nagging issue was that I had been going back to school anyway. So should I have been eligible or not? Legally I was, but morally I felt a little guilty about it, but assuaged the guilt by rationalizing that a layoff with no notice kind of stunk.

I finished my first year of graduate school, went overseas for a three-month internship, and then came back to start the second year of school. I got another notice that I was still eligible to get the retraining money. At that point, I decided that I could get by without it and I wasn't sure that I should accept it, so I stopped filling out the forms. Maybe I should've been more mercenary about it, but since I had already planned to quit the job and go back to school anyway, I just didn't feel right taking the money for an entire second year. Was I right, or was I wrong?

onescrewleftuntwisted
07-05-2006, 06:35 PM
every time i went back looking for bubba somebody else was calling out "help me forest, help me"

bogie
07-05-2006, 06:53 PM
Is unemployment welfare? If so, then yes, I would go on welfare.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-05-2006, 06:56 PM
Welfare for single mothers is a good thing as long as they don't abuse the system. I can really understand how a single mother would go on welfare with all the deadbeat dads out there. If a father can't work for legit reasons and is the sole provider for a family, I can see it also.

I'm sure the system has helped a ton of good people get back on their feet, it's the leaches/deadbeats that ruin an otherwise honorable system(as usual).

...as for the original question; life can throw suprises at your obviously so there is no telling what i would or wouldn't do if necessary, I could only speculate.
Maybe these women should think twice before they spread their legs for some dirtbag loser.

Rain Man
07-05-2006, 06:59 PM
Maybe these women should think twice before they spread their legs for some dirtbag loser.

You're dangerously close to violating one of the ten sacred rules of manhood. You should never encourage women to not have sex, even if you're married and even if you have no interest or no shot at said women.

OldTownChief
07-05-2006, 07:06 PM
Since I started working 31 years ago I've never thought about asking for any gov assistance, and believe me some of those years were spent working jobs that even a wet back wouldn't think of taking. If I thought I needed assistance to take care of my two girls, I'd ask for it.

ChiefsFire
07-05-2006, 07:15 PM
Maybe these women should think twice before they spread their legs for some dirtbag loser.


maybe we should line up all the losers and snip them....

listopencil
07-05-2006, 07:29 PM
I heard my Dad tell my sisters something once and it has stuck with me for my entire life:


Welfare is a safety net, not a hammock.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-05-2006, 07:51 PM
ROFL

tommykat
07-05-2006, 07:56 PM
Wood I? Yes if I knew I had paid my taxes and had tried all of my resources to do anything but this.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-05-2006, 08:23 PM
You're dangerously close to violating one of the ten sacred rules of manhood. You should never encourage women to not have sex, even if you're married and even if you have no interest or no shot at said women.
ROFL There should be an amendment to that one that doesn't allow deadbeats to enjoy the privileges of the ten sacred rules of manhood.

recxjake
07-05-2006, 08:29 PM
Welfare is good for people that truly need it.... i can't stand the people who rip it off...

but there are many more rich people who rip off the goverment with tax fraud also... the rich and the poor rip off the govt

Hydrae
07-05-2006, 08:31 PM
Been there, done that. Long, long ago for a few months to pull through a tough spot, it helped my family. But that is way in the past and should never be needed in the future.

The problem here is that there is such a system. This whole thing needs to be privatized; as in, I don't pay anything to the government and they don't give any to Susy D. If Susy needs help, there are a lot of groups out there that can help her and if I get the government out of my pocket, I have more to give to the local group that can help more effectively.

R&GHomer
07-05-2006, 09:26 PM
Dude, in no way am I condoning these f*ckin assholes that abuse the welfare system. I'm just sayin that anyone who ACTUALLY needs it, deserves it. I didn't have a cell phone, cable tv, or anything else when I took it. I didn't know how I was gonna pay my ****in rent. I've been a tax paying American for a long time, and I'll be goddammed if I'm gonna make my wife do without eating balanced meals over pride. What the f*ck do you pay taxes for? Just to support these pondscum motherf*ckers that are NEVER going to do anything with their lives. As far as I'm concerned I was just getting some of MY money back.

I agree. When I got out of the service, I was married with a new born son. The Army really didn't give me a choice, it was part of the process. If they had given me a choice, my stupid pride probably would have stopped me. hell, I didnít even know thatís what was going on. Ok specialist, "fill this out, now fill these out, ok now go over and fill out some more paperwork over there" kind of thing. I got wick "milk, cereal, mostly stuff for mom and the baby" and food stamps. I only used it as long as I had too "3 months tops". I've paid my taxes, fought for my country and in my eyes got a little helping hand when I really needed it. Nothing in this life is owed to you, but itís nice to know that if you really need it, itís there.

Rausch
07-05-2006, 09:30 PM
Since I took grants from the gubment I suppose I already have taken welfare.

But as far as housing/food/handouts, no. My grandparents would ****ing disown me...

Dartgod
07-05-2006, 09:31 PM
Wood I?
Hair lip! Hair lip!

Mr. Flopnuts
07-05-2006, 09:33 PM
Since I took grants from the gubment I suppose I already have taken welfare.

But as far as housing/food/handouts, no. My grandparents would ****ing disown me...


Grants for schooling are available for those of us that did not win the genetic lottery by being born into money. EVERY American is entitled to schooling as far as I'm concerned. I have no children but I take comfort knowing that at least my tax dollars that aren't being wasted is attempting to educate someone.

R&GHomer
07-05-2006, 09:41 PM
Since I took grants from the gubment I suppose I already have taken welfare.

But as far as housing/food/handouts, no. My grandparents would ****ing disown me...

:shrug: You and your grandparents work hard and pay taxes. Is it a hand out? or just getting back what your family has already paid in? Only in times of extreme circumstance of course. Like I said, I only got it one time, a long, long time ago and I had just come back from Iraq. I didn't even know about the food stamps until the final part of out processing from the military while getting setup for unemployment benifits. I was in the unemployment office when they told me that they would be sending the food stamps to the address listed. I was like, FOOD STAMPS? yes, the forms have already been filled out and approved. I Don't feel guilty about it one bit.

Rausch
07-05-2006, 09:42 PM
I have no children but I take comfort knowing that at least my tax dollars that aren't being wasted is attempting to educate someone.

Yes, they are.

At least they were two years ago when I got $1,000 for the semester and the girl from Trinidad got $3,000.

In grants.

Our tax money, she doesn't have to pay it back.

For the slower people that's 3x what this American got.

http://images.movie-gazette.com/albums/20050504/office-space-05.jpg

Iowanian
07-05-2006, 09:53 PM
I doubt you can buy cigs and beer with food stamps. I know you definitely can not in Iowa. However, you can buy all the pop and candy you want, and that needs to be regulated. What a person on foodstamps can buy should be regulated, similar to the mothers/infants certificates.


Considering your high school employment, I'm surprised you don't know more about how its done. There are tons of ways to defraud welfare.

Some people do things like get on WIC(Women and Infact Children) and get Infant formula, which they sell to Meth makers to cut the dope. I've seen people send in their kids with dollar food stamps, to buy $.03 pieces of gum, and then the folks come in with the change to buy smokes. Others...alot of others, take food stamps and then sell them to others for say, $.25/dollar.

Then, you get into the unecessary use of govt assistance for housing, utility assistance and the like. My family has managed rentals for alot of years, and I've seen alot of dirtbags defrauding the taxpayer. Its amazing how many people letting HUD pay their rent, have big screen TVs and Every Satelite channel known to man.

I've seen more than my fair share of 6'+ 200lb+ men who can pick up engine blocks and set them in a truck box, but collect a monthly "disability" and somehow, have thier kids all declared tongue chewers, and get them a nice check.


I think there is a definite place and need for welfare, and as a taxpayer since I was 14, don't mind that. There are also alot of dirtbags who don't need it and are just lazy too lazy to earn their keep.

Jenson71
07-05-2006, 10:05 PM
Considering your high school employment, I'm surprised you don't know more about how its done. There are tons of ways to defraud welfare.

Some people do things like get on WIC(Women and Infact Children) and get Infant formula, which they sell to Meth makers to cut the dope. I've seen people send in their kids with dollar food stamps, to buy $.03 pieces of gum, and then the folks come in with the change to buy smokes. Others...alot of others, take food stamps and then sell them to others for say, $.25/dollar.

Then, you get into the unecessary use of govt assistance for housing, utility assistance and the like. My family has managed rentals for alot of years, and I've seen alot of dirtbags defrauding the taxpayer. Its amazing how many people letting HUD pay their rent, have big screen TVs and Every Satelite channel known to man.

I've seen more than my fair share of 6'+ 200lb+ men who can pick up engine blocks and set them in a truck box, but collect a monthly "disability" and somehow, have thier kids all declared tongue chewers, and get them a nice check.


I think there is a definite place and need for welfare, and as a taxpayer since I was 14, don't mind that. There are also alot of dirtbags who don't need it and are just lazy too lazy to earn their keep.

Maybe there are people that sell baby formula for meth money, but I've never seen it. Hy-Vee only accepts debit cards. You do not receive change on purchases. Same goes for WIC. It's a certificate, that says "1 gallon unflavored milk, 1 large dozen eggs, 2 cans frozen juice". The rest of your examples are probably true, but they don't have anything to do with foodstamps.

You watch people on foodstamps. Many of them are low income blacks, and many of those people are overweight. Government can and should control it for the betterment of their health and the farming economy.

Iowanian
07-05-2006, 10:08 PM
If you don't think there are still people pillaging welfare debit cards, or selling the food or the formula to cut dope, you're naive.

As for the rest not having anything to do with foodstamps, I submit that, that arguement is also incorrect.

People that know how to "work the system"....know how to work the system.

You're not having HUD pay your rent, getting utility assistance, collecting Disability, but not accepting foodstamps.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Yes, they are.

At least they were two years ago when I got $1,000 for the semester and the girl from Trinidad got $3,000.

In grants.

Our tax money, she doesn't have to pay it back.

For the slower people that's 3x what this American got.

http://images.movie-gazette.com/albums/20050504/office-space-05.jpg


There goes the one comfort I had in paying taxes. Somehow this shit just doesn't surprise me.

R&GHomer
07-05-2006, 10:23 PM
If you don't think there are still people pillaging welfare debit cards, or selling the food or the formula to cut dope, you're naive.

As for the rest not having anything to do with foodstamps, I submit that, that arguement is also incorrect.

People that know how to "work the system"....know how to work the system.

You're not having HUD pay your rent, getting utility assistance, collecting Disability, but not accepting foodstamps.

I know when I got food stamps they didn't have the debit cards, but it sounds like a good way to curb some of the fraud. I don't know anything about the other types of assistance. I only got the food stamps, and wic and that wasn't for very long. It did help though. Hell, I got the wic as soon as my son was born. That was simply automatic for lower ranking enlisted men and woman. You simply didn't make enough money. Do you all realize that most married or single parents in the military live below the poverty line. Some can say "JUST GET ANOUTHER JOB" well, It's not as easy as you may think. When uncle Sam say you're going to X, you simply have to. Leave the wife, kid, part time job, everything.

Simplex3
07-05-2006, 10:55 PM
I know when I got food stamps they didn't have the debit cards, but it sounds like a good way to curb some of the fraud. I don't know anything about the other types of assistance. I only got the food stamps, and wic and that wasn't for very long. It did help though. Hell, I got the wic as soon as my son was born. That was simply automatic for lower ranking enlisted men and woman. You simply didn't make enough money. Do you all realize that most married or single parents in the military live below the poverty line. Some can say "JUST GET ANOUTHER JOB" well, It's not as easy as you may think. When uncle Sam say you're going to X, you simply have to. Leave the wife, kid, part time job, everything.
I don't know of anyone on this board that would ever deny anything to anyone in the military or their family. Vets are the one group I give money to every year.

luv
07-05-2006, 11:53 PM
I might do the food stamps thing if I had kids. My brother and sister-in-law did that for a few years. They both have decent paying jobs now, so they are no longer on assistance. I think welfare is good for those who need a little help. Too many people abuse it, IMO.

greg63
07-06-2006, 12:10 AM
I might do the food stamps thing if I had kids. My brother and sister-in-law did that for a few years. They both have decent paying jobs now, so they are no longer on assistance. I think welfare is good for those who need a little help. Too many people abuse it, IMO.

Had to do the food stamps early in my marriage; hated it. The checkout folks looked at me like I was scum.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-06-2006, 12:25 AM
Had to do the food stamps early in my marriage; hated it. The checkout folks looked at me like I was scum.
Would that be pond scum, soap scum or just your typical scum of the earth?

KcMizzou
07-06-2006, 12:43 AM
I was always too proud to go that route, because I didn't really need it. But I wouldn't look down on someone who did.

It's there for a reason. If you need a hand, take it... and get back on your feet again. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that way very often.

Rausch
07-06-2006, 12:51 AM
I was always too proud to go that route, because I didn't really need it. But I wouldn't look down on someone who did.

I would and will.

My g/f had 4 kids and was working 2 jobs when I met her.

Sure, there were definitely problems there but she wasn't on welfare. I helped sit the kids when she wasn't working (during summer when I had days off.)

When her son got in trouble I took 2 jobs and she cut down to 1. The family life improved and she was able to land a job paying twice as much.

For about a year my only social life was the planet but in the end I'll look at you and smile knowing the only handout I ever got was rep...

PastorMikH
07-06-2006, 12:56 AM
The system has good intentions but gets abused big time. I see a lot of it from my perspective. I've had people come to the church for help, I make a couple of contacts and get them a job but no, though they are able, they aren't interested in a job, just the "Help". We've had so many coming in for assistance that the church has adopted the policy of supporting the local mission house and sending everyone not belonging to our church there for assistance. The guy in charge has some great resources to help people out, but he also has checks and balances in place to stop people from abusing the system. It's amazing how many people tell me about how the mission house refuses to help them, but when I call down there, they haven't even tried. It's also amazing how, since we've adopted that policy, how word has gotten out and people have quit coming by.

I'm for helping people get back on their feet, but I'm not for financing a lazy lifestyle.

KcMizzou
07-06-2006, 12:59 AM
So you would look down on someone who actually did need it?

I think we agree that very, very few people do... but if they really do... good for them. The system is abused... but it's a good idea in theory.

blueballs
07-06-2006, 01:03 AM
mmmmm
WelfareMILFs

PastorMikH
07-06-2006, 01:03 AM
So you would look down on someone who actually did need it?

I think we agree that very, very few people do... but if they really do... good for them. The system is abused... but it's a good idea in theory.

No, not if they truly need it. In fact, I have even suggested to people that they seek out help at the local welfare and unemployment office. Those that I have directed that way only needed it for a short time while they got back on their feet.

blueballs
07-06-2006, 01:05 AM
a lot of people out there
with out heath insurance
would be homeless with out it

KcMizzou
07-06-2006, 01:06 AM
No, not if they truly need it. In fact, I have even suggested to people that they seek out help at the local welfare and unemployment office. Those that I have directed that way only needed it for a short time while they got back on their feet.Yeah... I meant to ask Brad, really. You just happened to post between us.

But, good to see ya! :D

greg63
07-06-2006, 01:47 AM
Would that be pond scum, soap scum or just your typical scum of the earth?

Eh, take your pick.

Rausch
07-06-2006, 02:26 AM
So you would look down on someone who actually did need it?


Yep...

KCChiefsMan
07-06-2006, 04:34 AM
I would never be on welfare, I worked 40+ hours a week all through college just to pay for that and my bills. Now that I don't have classes, working 40-50 hours a week isn't very hard at all, I have no respect for people that are too lazy to try and support themselves and their kids. Its the white trash that are reproducing like flies.....I think there should be a mandatory abortion law or else in the next few generations, America is going to be overpopulated with dumbf*cks

OldTownChief
07-06-2006, 05:37 AM
Its the white trash that are reproducing like flies.....

I doubt the highest percentage on gov assistance is white.

Braincase
07-06-2006, 06:38 AM
Welfare is a safety net, not a hammock.

There ya go. :clap:

Inspector
07-06-2006, 06:54 AM
I'm too much into abusing body parts to bother with abusing government programs.

But that's just me.

Saulbadguy
07-06-2006, 07:02 AM
What qualifies as welfare? I'd take unemployment or disability if I had to. Hell, who knows what i'd do unless I was in that sort of situation.

Lzen
07-06-2006, 07:23 AM
I used to work in conveneince stores in my late teens and early to mid 20s. I can tell you that there are(were) a lot people abusing the system. Some mom and dad pull up in a freakin' Mercedez. They get out and hand each one of their 7 kids a food stamp with instructions for each to buy just one 5 cent piece of gum. :cuss: They didn't like it when I told them to get the f*&^ out. Now they have Vision cards and I assume it's much harder to scam the system. Part of the problem with the food stamp currency was that it could be used to buy drugs.

JimNasium
07-06-2006, 08:33 AM
Iíll go on welfare if I get to threaten people by throwing a cup of chicken noodle soup on them.

Rain Man
07-06-2006, 08:41 AM
For about a year my only social life was the planet but in the end I'll look at you and smile knowing the only handout I ever got was rep...


That's not a handout in my book. You have to earn it by entertaining me with your tales of depravity.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2006, 08:47 AM
a lot of people out there
with out heath insurance
would be homeless with out it

and i can tell you from 7 years of working on skidrow. alot of homeless dont have it very hard because our goverment enables them to be drunks thieves and all around deviants.

If were going to spend money to let them act like animals we should atleast put them in zoos to scare children to toe the chalk.

Chief Faithful
07-06-2006, 09:07 AM
If you don't think there are still people pillaging welfare debit cards, or selling the food or the formula to cut dope, you're naive.

As for the rest not having anything to do with foodstamps, I submit that, that arguement is also incorrect.

People that know how to "work the system"....know how to work the system.

You're not having HUD pay your rent, getting utility assistance, collecting Disability, but not accepting foodstamps.

Look at how many thousands of people abused the debit card handouts in New Orleans after Katrina. I'll bet the majority of those people already knew how to work the system long before Katrina.

BIG_DADDY
07-06-2006, 09:48 AM
I was going to one time as I took off a few months between jobs. I told myself why not you have been paying into the system forever. I showed up to apply and took one look around at the biggest cesspool of losers I have ever seen and just walked out. IT just wasn't worth it. Someone needs to tell these sorry excuse for human beings to take a ****ing shower too.

Iowanian
07-06-2006, 09:53 AM
When times were tough around our house during the 80s farm thing, with 28% interest and whatnot....it was tight finanically....very tight.

During the time, my dad was working 3 jobs, my mom and the kids were choring, mowing yards and working for neighbors throwing hay and whatnot.

One thing I learned was that if you keep working hard enough, eventually the ship will right itself.

One important thing my dad taught us...at a time when I had tape on my shoes was that Pride doesn't cost money. I'll never forget that.

Being poor is no excuse to live like a hog, be unclean, and have a trashed up yard.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2006, 09:59 AM
When times were tough around our house during the 80s farm thing, with 28% interest and whatnot....it was tight finanically....very tight.

During the time, my dad was working 3 jobs, my mom and the kids were choring, mowing yards and working for neighbors throwing hay and whatnot.

One thing I learned was that if you keep working hard enough, eventually the ship will right itself.

One important thing my dad taught us...at a time when I had tape on my shoes was that Pride doesn't cost money. I'll never forget that.

Being poor is no excuse to live like a hog, be unclean, and have a trashed up yard.

we did the same thing. My dad worked two job my mom worked 60 hours a week. i made 1.50 a month for chores.

but it was nothing like our grandparents.
my Grandpa went to work at 15 and told his parents as long as he had a place to live hed pay his share of everything else.(thats a great man)

Hog Farmer
07-06-2006, 10:01 AM
When times were tough around our house during the 80s farm thing, with 28% interest and whatnot....it was tight finanically....very tight.

During the time, my dad was working 3 jobs, my mom and the kids were choring, mowing yards and working for neighbors throwing hay and whatnot.

One thing I learned was that if you keep working hard enough, eventually the ship will right itself.

One important thing my dad taught us...at a time when I had tape on my shoes was that Pride doesn't cost money. I'll never forget that.

Being poor is no excuse to live like a hog, be unclean, and have a trashed up yard.

Yep. Except for the living like a Hog part. My Dad always said "Son, Where there's a will theres a way. And if you don't find the way, I'll kick your ass!"

FAX
07-06-2006, 10:22 AM
Well, the truth is out at last.

Mr. Iowanian is a hog hater.

FAX

Chief Henry
07-06-2006, 11:07 AM
and i can tell you from 7 years of working on skidrow. alot of homeless dont have it very hard because our goverment enables them to be drunks thieves and all around deviants.

If were going to spend money to let them act like animals we should atleast put them in zoos to scare children to toe the chalk.


Yesterday I had some clients in my office. Around these parts their
last NAME is commonly known as bums and drug addicts. These
particular people have made it past that and are hard working folks.
He's with in 7 years of r'ment. His wife is a home maker. We started
talking about some of their relatives on WELFARE. Many of their relatives have been busted for drug usage and are known drug users
and heavy alcoholics. Many of those family members are know
receiving Social Security Disabilty :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

It really agivates my clients that their last name is the same as these
low life scum of the earth rags. How the **** do you get Social Security Disabilty from DRUG usage? I know it happens but what
SS examiner allows this shit to happen?

Calcountry
07-06-2006, 11:22 AM
ive been dirt ass poor and never even considered welfare.

we were so poor at times right after my parents got divorced we didnt have heat or hot water.

get tough or die.Grab a fishing pole and catch something or go hungry.

Calcountry
07-06-2006, 11:38 AM
No, not if they truly need it. In fact, I have even suggested to people that they seek out help at the local welfare and unemployment office. Those that I have directed that way only needed it for a short time while they got back on their feet.I hope these people weren't regular members of your church.

Whatever happened to food poundings?

Calcountry
07-06-2006, 11:47 AM
and i can tell you from 7 years of working on skidrow. alot of homeless dont have it very hard because our goverment enables them to be drunks thieves and all around deviants.

If were going to spend money to let them act like animals we should atleast put them in zoos to scare children to toe the chalk.How about we insist that they pick the crops to get their check. Then we can prevent any more illegal aliens from having an excuse to come here.