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Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:19 PM
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Gilbert Aldana http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Gilbert_Aldana2.JPG vs. Cheick Kongo http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/kango2004_profile.jpg

My pick: Alanda. He has tons of heart as was shown in his fight with Paul Beuntello. [b]I'm taking Alada by 2nd round KO.[/b

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:20 PM
Jeff Monson http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Jeff_Monsen_profile2.JPG vs. Anthony Perosh

My pick: Monson. Both really good grapplers, But Perosh isn't very active at all. Both BJJ black-belts, So this could be a snoozer. Monson by UD.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:20 PM
Josh Burkman http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Josh_Burkmann2.JPG vs. Josh"The Dentist"Neer http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Josh2.JPG

My pick: Neer. He has more experience, Fought better opponents. And trains with a better camp. Neer by 2nd round submission.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:20 PM
Hermes Franca http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Hermes_Franca2_profile.JPG vs. Joe Jordan http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Joe_Jordan2.JPG

My pick: Franca. Jordan had to take this fight on short notice. Franca is one of the best @155lbs. Franca 2nd round submission.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:21 PM
Dan "The Sandman" Christison http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Christison2.JPG Vs. Frank Mir http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Frank_Mir.jpg

My pick: Dan. He's a huge monster, With alot of talent. frank isn't the same fighter as he used to be. Dan KO 1st round.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:21 PM
Yves Edwards http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Edwards2.JPG Vs. Joe Stevenson http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Joe_Stevenson2_profile.JPG

My pick: Edwards. With his takedown/Sub defene. I don't think Joe has much of a chance. Yves Unanimous Decision.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:22 PM
Tito Ortiz http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/ortiz_profile.jpg Vs. Ken Shamrock http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/shamrock_profile.jpg

My pick: Tito. I shouldn't even have to give a reason for this one. Tito ref stoppage 3rd round.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:22 PM
Tim "The Maine-Iac" Sylvia http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/sylvia_profile.jpg Vs. Andrei "The Pitbull" Arlovski http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Arlovski2.JPG

My pick: The Pitbull. Andrei will take his time, not make another stupid mistake like he did in the last fight. Arlovski TKO 2nd round.

58-4ever
07-06-2006, 03:23 PM
What about the heavyweight title?

58-4ever
07-06-2006, 03:24 PM
I guess you were getting there.

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 03:24 PM
I guess you were getting there.

Yup. :clap:

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 05:16 PM
Ken Shamrock UFC 61 Pre Fight Interview


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2896

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 05:16 PM
Tim Sylvia UFC 61 Pre Fight Interview

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2878

Immaculate
07-06-2006, 05:17 PM
Andrei Arlovski UFC 61 Pre Fight Interview

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2877

KC_John
07-06-2006, 05:43 PM
Ill be watching this Saturday as well..I look for AA to get the belt back and for Tito to brutally defeat Slamcock err Shamrock. Monson, Mir, Yves,Neer I think should win. If Mir loses, his career is done and prolly end up in the announcing booth somewhere. I look for Tito to call out Sobral and Chuck after he wins demanding a title shot after there fight. IF Tim wins I hope he doesnt humiliate himself again and call out Fedor HAHAHAHAH. "Bring on Fedor! " Tim would piss himself if he seen Fedor walk to the ring! Sorry i got off track, but it always makes me LOL.

Bill Lundberg
07-06-2006, 08:27 PM
The Neer vs. Burkman fight will be the fight of the night.
The Dentist by ref stoppage!!

Immaculate
07-07-2006, 01:58 PM
The Neer vs. Burkman fight will be the fight of the night.
The Dentist by ref stoppage!!

Somehow I doubt that. I hope it's a good fight none the less.

BIG_DADDY
07-07-2006, 02:04 PM
Anyone see the last Pride Critical Countdown this last weekend? Awesome. Watching Wanderlei take down Fujita was special indeed.

Iowanian
07-07-2006, 02:06 PM
I'm glad to see that Neer didn't hurt his knee afterall in the last fight.

Redcoats58
07-07-2006, 02:28 PM
Anyone know if the fight is being shown anywhere in the KC MO area? For a charge or not? I would love to watch this.

Cochise
07-07-2006, 03:57 PM
Anyone know if the fight is being shown anywhere in the KC MO area? For a charge or not? I would love to watch this.

Time warner will have it on PPV. I think just about any other provider will have it available.



As for the fights, I am on Andrei's side, but both his fights with sylvia have been less than 1 round. It's just a powderkeg type of fight that could go either way.

I don't know how well Shamrock is going to hold up. I thought Gracie could handle his opponent last time but he got embarrassed.

Sully
07-07-2006, 05:09 PM
I'm ordering it PPV on Comcast.

Bill Lundberg
07-07-2006, 07:20 PM
Somehow I doubt that. I hope it's a good fight none the less.

You doubt that it will be the fight of the night or that Neer will win by ref stoppage? Obviously I'm biased because I know Neer, but I still think it will be a great fight and that he will come out victorious.

Cochise
07-07-2006, 07:29 PM
Go Andrei -

"I must break you."

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~jfrancis/rocky.jpg

Immaculate
07-07-2006, 09:07 PM
You doubt that it will be the fight of the night or that Neer will win by ref stoppage? Obviously I'm biased because I know Neer, but I still think it will be a great fight and that he will come out victorious.

I doubt it will be fight of the night. I think that will go to Sylvia/Arlovski, Or Stevenson/Edwards.

Immaculate
07-07-2006, 09:07 PM
UFC 61:BITTER RIVALS Weigh In


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2909

Fishpicker
07-08-2006, 12:29 AM
Anyone see the last Pride Critical Countdown this last weekend? Awesome. Watching Wanderlei take down Fujita was special indeed.

I held off on that one. I dont know why really. it's the first prideFC that I have missed since they began showing it on PPV. how would you rate the card?

GoTrav
07-08-2006, 12:33 AM
I doubt it will be fight of the night. I think that will go to Sylvia/Arlovski, Or Stevenson/Edwards.

I'll be watching as well.

I'm really torn between Sylvia/Arlovski. Sylvia is no push over and could end the fight and just about any minute. I'm pulling for Arlovski but my gut is telling me Sylvia to win in a similar fashion as their last match.

But I'm looking forward to Tito stomping a mudhole in Shamrock's as$. I don't see that one getting out of the 1st.

Immaculate
07-08-2006, 10:34 AM
Tonight mother ****ers!!

HC_Chief
07-08-2006, 10:41 AM
Anyone see the last Pride Critical Countdown this last weekend? Awesome. Watching Wanderlei take down Fujita was special indeed.

Wanderlei Silva is the #&$^ing MAN! :thumb:

Halfcan
07-08-2006, 06:17 PM
When do the fights start?

Someone please post the results.

Iowanian
07-08-2006, 07:20 PM
I'm debating about buying it...

Last time, I caught most of the fights on youtube and google video soon after....and before they took them down.

I'm wondering if that will be an option again...

ArrowheadHawk
07-08-2006, 07:23 PM
all i gotta say is keep f'ng doubting shamrock......he will break one of tito's chicken legs (seriously has anyone else noticed how small his legs are?)

Bowser
07-08-2006, 07:23 PM
I know very little about UFC. What's the deal between Shamrock and Ortiz? And is Shamrock a big puss? Seems like the people in the know don't like him or his chances very much.

Iowanian
07-08-2006, 07:25 PM
I was always a shamrock fan....he's kind of like the Skiptowne of ufc....if skip had been an original champion of Chiefsplanet....Tito is pretty cocky and had some blatant disrespect for one of shamrocks fighters and then shamrock.

Tito beat his ass like a rented mule last time...and probably will again.

Originally, shamrock was a bad, bad man....I think he's just getting old, and the MMA has kind of passed his skills a little.

ArrowheadHawk
07-08-2006, 07:26 PM
I know very little about UFC. What's the deal between Shamrock and Ortiz? And is Shamrock a big puss? Seems like the people in the know don't like him or his chances very much.
back in the day when tito was fighting someone out of the same camp as shamrock he donned a t shirt that said ** is my bitch, ** being the fighter on shamrocks team. shamrock thought that was disrespectful.
shamrock is a lot older than tito also, shamrock will be in the ufc hall of fame

TrickyNicky
07-08-2006, 07:46 PM
His moniker, The World's Most Dangerous Man, should have circa 1994 added to the end of it.

Immaculate
07-09-2006, 04:10 PM
Wanderlei Silva is the #&$^ing MAN!

Until he has to step in the ring with The Iceman.

Immaculate
07-09-2006, 04:11 PM
all i gotta say is keep f'ng doubting shamrock......he will break one of tito's chicken legs (seriously has anyone else noticed how small his legs are?)


ROFL ROFL He got his ass handed to him in a 1:18. Foot in mouth?

Bill Lundberg
07-09-2006, 04:26 PM
I thought Neer fought just ok, he seemed to have the fire, he just didn't act on it as often as Burkman. I thought the decision was correct. One thing is for sure, Neer will be back and will work twice as hard for his next fight

Ultra Peanut
07-09-2006, 04:28 PM
TEST YOUR MIGHT

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 12:54 PM
I thought Neer fought just ok, he seemed to have the fire, he just didn't act on it as often as Burkman. I thought the decision was correct. One thing is for sure, Neer will be back and will work twice as hard for his next fight

He needs to start changing levels, And use head movement more. I've never seen someone stick their chin out that much since the first time I saw Arona fight.

ArrowheadHawk
07-10-2006, 12:56 PM
ROFL ROFL He got his ass handed to him in a 1:18. Foot in mouth?
BS ref stoppage in my opinion

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 12:57 PM
I thought Neer fought just ok, he seemed to have the fire, he just didn't act on it as often as Burkman. I thought the decision was correct. One thing is for sure, Neer will be back and will work twice as hard for his next fight

I like Neer. Burkman is a developing talent.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 12:58 PM
BS ref stoppage in my opinion

You would have seen Shamrock carried out if it went another 5 seconds.

ArrowheadHawk
07-10-2006, 01:00 PM
You would have seen Shamrock carried out if it went another 5 seconds.
at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:01 PM
at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

He trains in Overland Park. If you want you can go tell him that.

Shamrock should send him a dozen roses and a thank you card.

ArrowheadHawk
07-10-2006, 01:03 PM
He trains in Overland Park. If you want you can go tell him that.

TITO should send him a dozen roses and a thank you card.
i fixed your post

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 01:04 PM
at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

I liked Tito's line before the fight. "Now he wants to compare himself to Randy Couture? Wake the **** up dude"

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:06 PM
i fixed your post

I just don't see how people still think Shamrock is even deserving to be in the UFC. MMA has obviously passed him by. He's a prick, And would get wrecked by B level guys nowadays. He was never the best, Never close. Is it because of his pro wrestling stint?

Tito could fight Ken 100 times, And he's going to win 99 of them. It's not even sporting how bad Tito has beaten Ken two times now.

I guess some people are just delusional.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:06 PM
I liked Tito's line before the fight. "Now he wants to compare himself to Randy Couture? Wake the **** up dude"

For sure. Those two don't belong in the sane scentence.

ArrowheadHawk
07-10-2006, 01:08 PM
the guy is a legend and in the UFC Hall of Fame

UFC HISTORY

UFC 1: The Beginning (11/12/93) He defeated his first opponent, kickboxer Pat Smith, very quickly with a heel hook submission. In the second round, Shamrock lost to eventual champion Royce Gracie by choke.

UFC 3: The American Dream (9/09/94) Shamrock returned to go after the title and Gracie. He won his first round bout against Christophe Leininger by submission due to strikes. In the semifinals, Shamrock defeated Felix Mitchell by submission due to a choke. But, he suffered a hand injury and had to bow out of the final bout.

UFC 5: Return Of The Beast (04/07/95) Shamrock got his rematch with Gracie in the first ever super fight. The bout lasted over 35 minutes and was declared a draw. Most agree if there had been judges, Shamrock would have been declared the winner.

UFC 6: Clash Of The Titans (7/14/95) Shamrock faced Dan "The Beast" Severn for the Super Fight Championship. He defeated him by submission with a guillotine choke just 2:14 into the contest. Shamrock was crowned the first UFC Super Fight Champion.

UFC 7: The Brawl In Buffalo (9/8/95) His opponent was a one-time training partner, "The Russian Bear" Oleg Taktarov. The fight was declared a draw after 33 minutes and Shamrock retained the title.

UFC 8: David vs. Goliath (2/16/96) Shamrock successfully defended his Super Fight Championship by defeating Kimo by submission due to knee bar. Shamrock worked quickly again, winning in just over four minutes.

UFC 9: Motor City Madness (5/17/96) Shamrock granted Dan Severn a rematch. After 30 minutes in a slow, mostly stand-up fight, Severn was awarded the decision.

Shamrock returned on December 7, 1996, to compete in another 8-man tournament at Ultimate Ultimate, a year-end showcase of champions in Birmingham, Alabama. Shamrock squared off with Brian Johnston in the first round and controlled the fight, pushing Johnston against the cage and punishing him with strikes. After five minutes, Shamrock forced Johnston to submit due to a choke. Unfortunately, he suffered a broken hand and could not advance to face Tank Abbott in the next round.

After Ultimate Ultimate, Shamrock joined the World Wrestling Federation in February 1997 and astounded many wrestling insiders with his transition from Mixed Martial Arts fighting to wrestling. He was voted 1997's "Rookie of the Year" by World Wrestling Federation Magazine and went on to win the King of the Ring and the Intercontinental Championship before leaving the WWF in 2000 and returning to mixed martial arts fighting in Japan.

Throughout his WWF career, Shamrock continued to train and coach UFC fighters. At UFC 19: Young Guns, January 8, 1999, in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi, one of his students, Guy Mezger, fought newcomer Tito Ortiz. After Mezger lost, Shamrock felt Ortiz' post-fight behavior was disrespectful of him and his camp. Shamrock and Ortiz exchanged words and had to be separated. The feud has been boiling ever since.

UFC 40: Vendetta (11/22/02), Shamrock returned to the UFC to settle the score with Tito Ortiz. Shamrock laid it all on the line and threw everything he had at Ortiz. He showed tremendous heart and tenacity. However, after the third round, Shamrock's corner decided he had had enough and threw in the towel. Shamrock walked across the ring and gave Ortiz his respect as he raised his hand and exclaimed him the best fighter in the world.

UFC 48: Payback (6/19/04) Shamrock defeated Kimo Leopoldo by KO (Knee) at 1:26 of the first round.

The Ultimate Fighter Finale (4/9/05) Shamrock lost to Rich Franklin by TKO (Strikes) at 2:44 of the first round.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:08 PM
He's a bum. I know blue belts that would wreck him.

ArrowheadHawk
07-10-2006, 01:10 PM
For sure. Those two don't belong in the sane scentence.
the ufc thinks you are wrong

UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy
Gracie Royce
Severn Dan
Shamrock Ken

KC Kings
07-10-2006, 01:12 PM
at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

The last time I saw Ken fight, it was against the big Japanese guy in a Pride match. Ken couldn't knock the guy down, was getting his tail handed to him, and he motions over to the corner to have his guys throw in the the towel.

The last time Ken fought Tito, Ken couldn't knock him down and was getting his tail handed to him. Ken's corner threw in the towel.

This time when Ken was fighting Tito, Tito threw him to the ground and knocked him limp with a hard elbow. The ref stopped the fight 5 or 6 hits prior to Shamrocks corner throwing in the towel.

Screw Ken Shamrock. None of those old guys can compete against the true MMA crowd. I used to like Ken and hate Tito. After all of Ken's towel throwing and watching Ultimate Fighter 3, I now find myself supporting Tito and hating Ken. Shamrock's arms were down, the elbows were flying, and the ref saved Ken a ton on his insurance.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:12 PM
The guy has lost 6 out of his last 8 fights. He lost them all convincingly. I think the most delusional Slamcock fan is Ken himself. He needs to hang it up. Trainning fighters as well.

I could coach fighters better than he did on TUF. It just upsets me that the sport is finally becoming legit, And we still have hangers-on like Ken. He klnows he doesn't have it anymore, the rest of the world knows it as well. I hope I never have to see this guy waste a spot for a more deserving fighter to get thier shot at the big time.

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 01:13 PM
I guess some people are just delusional.

The odds makers weren't. Shamrock should have worked on Jiu-Jitsu long ago instead of wasting unlimited time on ground and pound. He is still in denial. Ultimate Fighter proved that. I agree Shamrock is just too old and not rounded enough at this stage to really compete at this level

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:14 PM
the ufc thinks you are wrong

UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy
Gracie Royce
Severn Dan
Shamrock Ken

He earned his stripes I guess back in the day. But barring Severn, He is the least deserving Hall of famer. Royce tooled him.

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 01:17 PM
The last time I saw Ken fight, it was against the big Japanese guy in a Pride match. Ken couldn't knock the guy down, was getting his tail handed to him, and he motions over to the corner to have his guys throw in the the towel.

The last time Ken fought Tito, Ken couldn't knock him down and was getting his tail handed to him. Ken's corner threw in the towel.

This time when Ken was fighting Tito, Tito threw him to the ground and knocked him limp with a hard elbow. The ref stopped the fight 5 or 6 hits prior to Shamrocks corner throwing in the towel.

Screw Ken Shamrock. None of those old guys can compete against the true MMA crowd. I used to like Ken and hate Tito. After all of Ken's towel throwing and watching Ultimate Fighter 3, I now find myself supporting Tito and hating Ken. Shamrock's arms were down, the elbows were flying, and the ref saved Ken a ton on his insurance.

Lets not get carried away, Couture did one hell of a job.

HC_Chief
07-10-2006, 01:18 PM
UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy -- Freak of nature; excellent MMA
Gracie Royce -- Impecible JJ technique
Severn Dan -- the "Brawny Man" (seriously, dude looks like the paper towel mascot. Used sheer size & strength to overpower all of his opponents... all, that is, until he met Royce Gracie ;)
Shamrock Ken -- was a bad G&P fighter in the <I><b>early</i></b> UFC days. The MMA world has passed him by so fast he's left spinning.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:22 PM
UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy -- Freak of nature; excellent MMA
Gracie Royce -- Impecible JJ technique
Severn Dan -- the "Brawny Man" (seriously, dude looks like the paper towel mascot. Used sheer size & strength to overpower all of his opponents... all, that is, until he met Royce Gracie ;)
Shamrock Ken -- was a bad G&P fighter in the <I><b>early</i></b> UFC days. The MMA world has passed him by so fast he's left spinning.


What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 01:25 PM
What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.

Did Bas even fight in the UFC? Tank isn't HOF material IMO. Oleg eh :shrug: I liked him but I am not sure he is HOF material either.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:26 PM
Did Bas even fight in the UFC? Tank isn't HOF material IMO. Oleg eh :shrug: I liked him but I am not sure he is HOF material either.

Are you serious? He was HW champion. You don't remeber him knocking TK silly in overtime of thier fight? Or him beating Randleman?

HC_Chief
07-10-2006, 01:26 PM
What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.

Just expounding on ArrowheadHawk's list.

Tank doesn't deserve to be in the HoF.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:27 PM
And Oleg is a bad, bad man! One of the toughest guys to ever fight.

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 01:31 PM
Are you serious? He was HW champion. You don't remeber him knocking TK silly in overtime of thier fight? Or him beating Randleman?

No. Somehow I missed that.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:35 PM
One of the best KO's ever!

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_3toN_Zms&search=Bas%20Rutten

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 01:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_3toN_Zms&search=Bas%20Rutten

cool, thanks for looking that up.

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 01:52 PM
cool, thanks for looking that up.
That's what I'm here for. :shrug:

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 02:09 PM
That's what I'm here for. :shrug:

Tank had plenty of fights but never had enough skill IMO. He probably has the best chance of the 3 of getting in.

Taktarov was mean as hell. Fun to watch too going for those leg submissions. I know he had a few fights in the UFC but I wonder if it will be enough to get him in.

Bas probably didn't have enough fights to qualify I would think. Bas is an easy guy to like.

ArrowheadHawk
07-10-2006, 02:14 PM
What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.
i pulled that list from this website

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.HallOfFame

nobody else is listed

Immaculate
07-10-2006, 02:18 PM
i pulled that list from this website

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.HallOfFame

nobody else is listed


Hmm intresting. I distinctly remember the event when they brought a bunch of fighters into the octagon to induct them into the Hall of fame.

Oleg, Pat Miletich, Tank, and quite a few others.

HC_Chief
07-10-2006, 02:21 PM
Hmm intresting. I distinctly remember the event when they brought a bunch of fighters into the octagon to induct them into the Hall of fame.

Oleg, Pat Miletich, Tank, and quite a few others.

Miletich definitely deserves to be in the HoF! His camp is dominant.

BIG_DADDY
07-10-2006, 02:51 PM
Miletich definitely deserves to be in the HoF! His camp is dominant.
I agree