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Gaz
12-04-2000, 08:41 AM
While I will be watching the games in my red gear and yelling at the screen, I have officially abandoned all hope for the season. There were some bright spots [Wesley, Grbac, Morris, Gonzalez, Sauerbrun, so forth], but the coaches are so lame that they overcame the most talented roster in memory.

So, moving on to next season, what do we need and how do we get it?

In order:

1. Coaching staff. The single worst problem on the team. We get this by Carl realizing that his job is not as secure as he thought at the beginning of the season. Carl hears the groundswell of anger and disappointment from the red faithful and fires Gunther. The new HC brings in his own coordinating staff.

2. HB. We get this via FA. Despite our best efforts, we will not lose enough games to draft a quality HB, so we get a veteran who can contribute immediately [Dillon, Garner, Barber, so forth].

3. DT. Wave goodbye to McGlockton and Williams. Take the cap hit now and move on. Draft a DT with the #1 or #2 pick and get another DT in FA.

4. LB. Wave goodbye to Bush. Draft a fast, strong OLB with the #1 or #2 pick. Play Edwards at OLB and Maslowski at ML.

5. OL. Wave goodbye to Szott, Grunhard and Shields. Szott is finished, Grunhard will probably [and should] retire and Shields wants a big paycheck. The megabucks for Shields are better spent on that FA HB. Move Riley to ORG and put Alford at ORT. Keep Willis as OC. Look for a FA who can pull and beat out Blackshear at OLG. Draft OL in later rounds for depth and the future.

6. QB. Renegotiate Grbac to a long-term contract, without that obscene roster bonus. Wave goodbye to Moon and obtain the services of a project at #3 QB, either later in the draft or via FA.

xoxo~
gaz
making big plans for the future.<BR>

Tribal Warfare
12-04-2000, 08:42 AM
A new GM- because he will fix all of what Gaz stated

58Forever
12-04-2000, 09:04 AM
Gaz, I agree with all you say, but only #6 will come true for sure...

The head coach will be the same but hopefully at least Spurt and Stock will be gone...my guess is that JR will be here again next year...

The HB situation, after the Coaching should be the priority...I hope Carl can swallow his pride and not try and play the big, strong, GM...and just sign Dillon or Garner...money shouldn't be a problem...there are always ways to make things work...

DTs will be the same next year...Glock and Williams will be playing every Sunday and not practicing every week because of a hang nail or something...

Bush will still be here, although possibly not as a starter...however, I would look for the Chiefs to draft a LB or 2

I agree with the loss of Szott and Gruny...Shields will probably remain...and I look for another OL high in our draft plans...I'm tired of drafting OL every year...

I :mad: as hell and I can't take it anymore...

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joe

"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst

Cormac
12-04-2000, 09:21 AM
Gaz,

I'm beginning to think the best chance we have of turning this thing around is if CP goes to San Diego. This seems like an obvious thing for him to do. SD would improve immediately, and KC would have a chance at a fresh start. I am afraid that CP won't fire Gun, that one or two ASSistants will do. I don't mind if CP stays as long as a new competent, proven HC is brought in (from outside the organisation). If this wish is fulfilled, I can be convinced we can make the playoffs while continuing to retool next season. As it stands right now, we are a HB and a good coaching staff away from 12-4 IMO.

Re #2. Dillon will be terribly expensive now (probably commanding 6-8m/yr), and Cincy have the cash to give him. We can't compete with that unfortunately. I'd like Garner for the predicted $4m per. He's small, so we'll have to get away from our big back mentality :eek: in order to sign him, but it should be done. A cheaper back I like a lot is Michael Pittman. He is extremely quick, but small and maybe a bit injury-prone. I wouldn't want Barber so much, he didn't seem to do anything until Thunder came along, but I am not that familiar with him to be honest.

Re #3. I can't see us being able to afford to take the cap-hit you propose, given our current situation. Somebody on another thread said it would amount to c.$7m. Shame.

I think you're right on with #4-6.

FloridaChief
12-04-2000, 09:21 AM
1. I really believe that Carl and Gunther will be back next year. Just wouldn't be like Lamar Hunt to upset the apple cart to the extent given a 7-9 season in '98 and a 9-7 season last year. Lamar, as far as I can fathom, seems to be pleased with the job Peterson has done, play-offs and Super Bowl's not withstanding. Possibly if we were were to just fall off the edge of a cliff and tank these last 4 games horribly, then maybe a house-cleaning at the coaching staff could happen.

I forsee one, possibly two of Gun's staff getting the heave-ho: Kurt Schottenheimer being the most likely, IMO. God knows Mike Stock should have been gone some time ago. Maybe this will happen in the off-season -- Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays, though.

2. We MUST get an experienced HB through F.A. I haven't seen anything leading me to believe we can successfully develop a drafted running back.

3. Agreed

4. Agreed

5. It's possible Grunny could come back next year--wonder why he would want to...

6. Yes, get a solid #2 QB through F.A. We can draft a 'project' for #3--problem is, as with the RB, there's little evidence we can bring along a young QB.<P>

Bob Dole
12-04-2000, 09:34 AM
Bob Dole just keeps hoping that Carl leaves for greener pastures voluntarily and saves Lamar the decision.

Bob Dole also thinks that Gunther may resign. The guy was discussing it after week 1 -- how is he going to feel after a season like this?

Wouldn't hiring The Tuna take care of filling both positions?

Tribal Warfare
12-04-2000, 09:35 AM
FloridaChief- hows the weather down their? http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Gaz
12-04-2000, 09:35 AM
Cormac-

RE #2: Richardson is Thunder, so I would take Barber as Lightning. With our current coaching staff, it would be a waste. We would just see them blasting Barber up the middle. However, with a new OC, I can see an inside/outside attack with Richardson/Barber.

RE #3: Take the hit now, IMO. Yeah, it is gonna hurt really bad, but better to take our lumps and start recovering rather than extending the pain out for several seasons. I confess that I am not a capanomics expert, so I guess I will have to rely on Carl to make the right decision here.

xoxo~
gaz
anticipating a big dose of Donner and Blitzen.<BR>

FloridaChief
12-04-2000, 09:40 AM
Chief Priority--

Unseasonably chilly...for those of us running around with thin blood in our veins! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/eek.gif

Cannibal
12-04-2000, 11:37 AM
[This message has been edited by Cannibal (edited 12-04-2000).]

kcred
12-04-2000, 11:49 AM
Though I can't disagree with anything you said, I think the cap is going to play the biggest role, in what CP or a new GM can or can't do. By every projection I have read, we are at least 30-35 mil over, so that is where we will have to start. You can't be over the 68 mil projection. Elvis will re negotiate, and remove that 10 mil, immediately, but will probably count 5 mil or so, but I believe he already is, so thats a net of 10 mil minus. So now we are down to plus 20, I don't have any idea where we can do much else, Teicher gives 7mil to Glock, and 4.2 to DW, if we cut them, so that would add to the 20 mil over. I don't know if Shields is figured in or not, but based on his one year deal now, I don't think so. I really feel we may be treading in 49er like territory, and may not have the money to sign any free agents. I would love a list of contracts we are now obligated to, but can't find one anywhere on the net. Anyone know of one, I will research it for other answers.

58Forever
12-04-2000, 11:55 AM
I don't care about the Cap...if the Chiefs want a high priced FA RB...they will find a way to make it work...huge signing bonus...whatever...if they don't find a way to make it work then it will prove they are the idiots everyone believes them to be...

Clint in Wichita
12-04-2000, 11:58 AM
Gee, I don't know...maybe Cloud just needs more carries!! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

58Forever
12-04-2000, 01:06 PM
Clint, I think you're on to something.....

Cormac
12-04-2000, 01:28 PM
Gaz,

I thought you were talking about Barber as a lone-feature back. Apologies. I agree that such a two-pronged attack could work well under a different regime.

About the cap figure..........I don't know much about what will go on either, but I don't think it's going to be possible to take a $7m hit to get rid of those two DTs. Then we'd have to clear $40m to get under next season's cap. I'm afraid I can't see it happening much as I would like to... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/frown.gif

kcred
12-04-2000, 02:22 PM
Cormac, the way Teischer said it, it will take 7 mil for Glock AND 4.2 for Williams. And I hate to rain on the parade of whoever said he didn't care about the cap, but the NFL is really going to come down hard on the next violator. Policy and the 49ers got off lucky, they have already said, the next time at least two #1s are going to be taken, so this is going to be harder and harder.

Bob Dole
12-04-2000, 02:26 PM
The concept of "sunk costs" comes immediately to mind.

Brock
12-04-2000, 02:30 PM
Everybody is violating the cap, with the exception of Cincinnati.

Mi_chief_fan
12-04-2000, 02:32 PM
Gaz,
in reply to #6, what do we do for a #2 QB?

And don't even say Collins, or i'll never reply to another of your posts again. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/mad.gif

Cormac
12-04-2000, 02:33 PM
kcred,

Thanks for the clarification :(. Even worse than I had thought......... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Gaz
12-05-2000, 07:37 AM
Mi_Chief_fan-

The #2 QB is a veteran. Someone who has been there, done that. There will be some journeyman FA QBs who are not good enough to be starters, but would be fine backups [I can hear the folks howling that we already have that in Grbac].

I would bring in FA QBs [maybe the Billy Joe twins are available?] to fight it out with Collins and let the best man win. Then go draft for a "diamond in the rough" QB to ruin develop.

xoxo~
gaz
realizes he might end up with Collins again.<BR>

Gaz
12-05-2000, 07:38 AM
Mi_Chief_fan-

The #2 QB is a veteran. Someone who has been there, done that. There will be some journeyman FA QBs who are not good enough to be starters, but would be fine backups [I can hear the folks howling that we already have that in Grbac].

I would bring in FA QBs [maybe the Billy Joe twins are available?] to fight it out with Collins and let the best man win. Then go draft for a "diamond in the rough" QB to ruin develop.

xoxo~
gaz
realizes he might end up with Collins again.<BR>

Mi_chief_fan
12-05-2000, 07:53 AM
Gaz,
I don't think it's coincidence both of the Billy Joe's initials are BJ. :)

There's got to be better backups out there.

How about that Frerotte guy? He's done a decent job?

Gaz
12-05-2000, 08:31 AM
Mi_chief_fan-

The Billy Joe Twins bit was a joke [in more ways than one]. Actually, I would not be surprised to see the Chiefs stand pat with Collins. Disappointed, but not surprised.

xoxo~
gaz
has learned to fear his team's managers.<BR>

cdcox
12-05-2000, 08:57 AM
The DL is the strongest unit of the D, so I don't think you should mess with it by dumping the ambulance twins. Yeah the DL costs too much, but it is functional and we have more pressing needs at LB and DB and at RB and OL. Dumping them just makes the cap situation worse, plus we need to find two new bodies to plug in the holes.

Hasty has talked about retirement the last two seasons. With the down turn of the Chiefs, you gotta wonder if he will come back. If he retires the young corners will have to improve greatly or we are gonna stink real bad next year regardless of any changes we make in coaches or players. I think a shut-down man-to-man corner has to enter the list of must-haves for the re-tooling of the D.

Entering the season I thought we were a stud RB away from being a very strong contender. Now you can add 2 OL, 1 LB, and at least 1 CB to that list. All of the sudden, there are a bunch of holes to fill on this team.

MrBlond
12-05-2000, 09:01 AM
Gaz,
Do you support retaining Peterson? I know you have asked before for a "viable" replacement, but do you have faith that Carl is the man to rebuild this team? The weaknesses you list have not been addressed to this point. What evidence has Carl given that he will do anything but bandage(and I mean one of those little circle bandages) the current problems? Bandages like Rison, when you can't draft a WR. Or Bam Morris when you can't draft a RB. As for a "viable" replacement, Kevin Harlan was on the radio with several names of respected men throughout the league who may be ready to become GMs. Butler from Buffalo, Hatley from Chicago. Diamond has been discussed. Donahue, Beatherd. Your "to do" list looks like a complete overhaul. Do you stick with the original designer?

TEX
12-05-2000, 09:12 AM
Gaz,
I agree with your post except when it comes to Carl Peterson. If you would jus replace his name with JEFF DIAMOND I'd agree 100% with your well thought take on the state of affairs at One Arrowhead Drive. I know that Lamar would never get rid of Carl but Carl is not beyond moving on himself. Bt then it might be worse because Lamar would probaly appoint Denny Thumb or someone else from within. All I want for X-mas is for Lamar to Hire JEFF DIAMOND as G.M.!<BR>