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DaKCMan AP
07-14-2006, 01:23 PM
Poll: Americans want Democrats in power

By DONNA CASSATA, Associated Press Writer

Republicans are in jeopardy of losing their grip on Congress in November. With less than four months to the midterm elections, the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that Americans by an almost 3-to-1 margin hold the GOP-controlled Congress in low regard and profess a desire to see Democrats wrest control after a dozen years of Republican rule.

Further complicating the GOP outlook to turn things around is a solid percentage of liberals, moderates and even conservatives who say they'll vote Democratic. The party out of power also holds the edge among persuadable voters, a prospect that doesn't bode well for the Republicans.

The election ultimately will be decided in 435 House districts and 33 Senate contests, in which incumbents typically hold the upper hand. But the survey underscored the difficulty Republicans face in trying to persuade a skeptical public to return them to Washington.

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,000 adults conducted Monday through Wednesday found that President Bush has stopped his political freefall, with his approval rating of 36 percent basically unchanged from last month. Bush received slightly higher marks for his handling of the Iraq war and the fight against terrorism, weeks after his surprise trip to Baghdad and the killing of Iraqi terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a U.S. airstrike last month.

But a Democratic takeover of either the House or Senate would be disastrous for the president, leaving both his agenda for the last two years in office and the chairmanship of investigative committees in the hands of the opposition party. To seize control of Congress, the Democrats must displace 15 Republicans from House seats and six Republicans from the Senate.

The AP-Ipsos survey asked 789 registered voters if the election for the House were held today, would they vote for the Democratic or Republican candidate in their district. Democrats were favored 51 percent to 40 percent.

Not surprisingly, 81 percent of self-described liberals said they would vote for the Democrat. Among moderates, though, 56 percent backed a Democrat in their district and almost a quarter of conservatives — 24 percent — said they will vote Democratic.

Democrats also held the advantage among persuadable voters — those who are undecided or wouldn't say whom they prefer. A total of 51 percent said they were leaning Democrat, while 41 percent were leaning Republican.

"We still have wind in our face. It's a midterm election in the president's second term," said Rep. Tom Reynolds, R-N.Y., chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. "Today is a little bit better in the atmospherics of Washington than it was maybe a month ago."

The president's party historically has lost seats in the sixth year of his service. Franklin D. Roosevelt lost 72 House seats in 1938; Dwight D. Eisenhower 48 in 1958. The exception was Bill Clinton in 1998.

By another comparison, polls in 1994 — when a Republican tidal wave swept Democrats from power — the two parties were in a dead heat in July on the question of whom voters preferred in their district.

"It comes down to a fairly simply question: Can Democrats nationalize all the elections? If Republicans prevent that, they have a shot. If they don't, they lose," said Doug Gross, the GOP gubernatorial candidate in Iowa in 2002 and the state finance director for the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign.

Overall, only 27 percent approved of the way Congress is doing its job. Lawmakers get favorable marks from 36 percent of conservatives, 28 percent of moderates and 17 percent of liberals.

Some criticism of Congress has focused on lawmakers' inability to control spending, with lawmakers tucking in special projects for their home districts.

"They used to say there's nothing worse than a tax-and-spend liberal Democrat," said Gary Wilson, 51, a self-described liberal from Gaithersburg, Md. "There is something worse: It's a borrow-and-spend Republican. This is going to come back to haunt us."

One bright spot for the GOP is that Republicans hold an advantage over Democrats on issues such as foreign policy and fighting terrorism — 43 percent to 33 percent — and a smaller edge on handling Iraq — 36 percent to 32 percent.

The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted after the divisive Democratic debate in the Senate over setting a timetable for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq. Potential voters were paying attention to the GOP complaint that Democrats want to "cut and run."
"It seems like the Democrats want to pull out or start to pull out, and I don't think that's the correct thing to do," said Eric Bean, 24, a college minister in Fort Worth, Texas. "I'd much rather see a Congress that would support our president. I think George Bush is doing the best he can. I think Republicans will support him." John Dendahl, the Republican candidate for governor in New Mexico, said Democrats, with the help of some Republicans, have been successful at obstructing legislation in Congress while heaping the blame on the GOP. Tom Courtney, a Democratic state senator in Iowa, said U.S. voters are ready to trust his party to lead. "I honestly think it's ours to lose," Courtney said. "My experience, we're not above that. Americans are ready for change." The poll of adults had a margin of error of 3 percentage points and the survey of registered voters had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points. ___ Associated Press Writers Philip Elliott and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060714/ap_on_go_co/republicans_ap_poll&printer=1;_ylt=At_Xv6MfsG8xgUiP7Efdh36MwfIE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

BIG_DADDY
07-14-2006, 01:29 PM
I have zero confidence in the Democratic party at this point. It's not that I want Republicans either but at a time with all that is going on in the world the nation is not going to want the pussified metero's the Dems have become running the country. They really would need a good moderate to get in. Please tell me who that is going to be?

Chief Henry
07-14-2006, 01:31 PM
THis same poll had registered voters saying John Kerry was comfortably ahead too. I wouldn't
put much stock in it. The dems shouldn't either.

BIG_DADDY
07-14-2006, 01:40 PM
THis same poll had registered voters saying John Kerry was comfortably ahead too. I wouldn't
put much stock in it. The dems shouldn't either.

The party has like zero leadership.

Always a Chief fan
07-14-2006, 01:43 PM
Heh. Something you and I agree on BigDaddy.

Cochise
07-14-2006, 01:45 PM
All kinds of polls say libs are the majority opinion - except election results.

Laz
07-14-2006, 02:00 PM
i think democrats stand a decent chance if for no other reason because the general public doesn't want a monopoly in the federal government.

all republican :shake:
all democrat :shake:


learned now that a mix keeps a little balance ... which is a good thing.

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 02:05 PM
I have zero confidence in the Democratic party at this point. It's not that I want Republicans either but at a time with all that is going on in the world the nation is not going to want the pussified metero's the Dems have become running the country. They really would need a good moderate to get in. Please tell me who that is going to be?Mark Warner, Evan Byah, Barak Obama, and possibly Wesley Clark.

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 02:07 PM
All kinds of polls say libs are the majority opinion - except election results.That's because polling methods fail to account for the "I'm too busy, leave me alone" and "I'm gonna lie to your ass, just to fugg with you" dynamics that appear to be more prevalent with higher income and Republican voters. :)

It's why most "polls" showed Kerry much closer than he actually was in 2004, and it was especially prominent in exit polling that showed Kerry "leading." Scientific polling has limitations they are refusing to recognize.

Until the pollsters find a way to 'adjust' for it, add about 2% (depending on the poll, could be more or less) to the Republican side....to get a more accurate picture of reality.

FWIW, this poll is also WAAAAAYYYYYY too early. Check after September 1. The numbers will be much closer. Guaranteed.

BIG_DADDY
07-14-2006, 02:12 PM
Mark Warner, Evan Byah, possibly Wesley Clark.

I haven't done my research on these guys. I would like nothing more than a good moderate Democrat right now except for a Libertarian which would be ideal.

1. Don't raise taxes.
2. Leave our guns and dogs alone.
3. No affirmative action.
4. Keep our military strong.

You got this you got my vote and support. Hell I will go door to door for the Dems.

Cochise
07-14-2006, 02:15 PM
Mark Warner, Evan Byah, Barak O'Bama, and possibly Wesley Clark.

Did Barak become Irish when I wasn't looking? :spock:

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 02:20 PM
I haven't done my research on these guys. I would like nothing more than a good moderate Democrat right now except for a Libertarian which would be ideal.

1. Don't raise taxes.
2. Leave our guns and dogs alone.
3. No affirmative action.
4. Keep our military strong.

You got this you got my vote and support. Hell I will go door to door for the Dems.I added Obama to my original post.....

All those guys are fairly moderate for Democrats. More so than Hillary, obviously, and Kerry, Edwards, or even Gore.

1. As for your issues, raising taxes (directly, and/or across the board)? Ain't gonna happen with any of those guys. Though they may "target" tax hikes, at the truly wealthy and eliminate some tax breaks.
2. Affirmative action: they will defer to the courts, rather than make issues of them. Same with guns and dogs.
3. All four would likely back continued funding of the military at current levels, due to the WOT if nothing else.--and would impose a flexible time-line for Iraq....and they don't want to be perceived as the stereotypical "soft on defense" type Democrats.

So, taxes and military shouldn't be too much of a problem for you. And they probably won't say what you want to hear on the other two issues, but they won't push a radical agenda to regulate guns or ban dogs either. Those issues may get you stirred up, but most people think "leave well enough alone" which is what they'd likely do.

JMHO, based on what I know of them.

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 02:21 PM
Did Barak become Irish when I wasn't looking? :spock:

ROFL

No. But maybe it was a Freudian slip.....Heh. :)

BIG_DADDY
07-14-2006, 02:23 PM
I added O'Bama to my original post.....

All those guys are fairly moderate for Democrats. More so than Hillary, obviously, and Kerry, Edwards, or even Gore.

1, As for your issues, raising taxes (directly, and/or across the board)? Ain't gonna happen with any of those guys. Though they may "target" tax hikes.
2. Affirmative action: they will defer to the courts, rather than make issues of them Same with guns and dogs.
3. All four would likely back continued funding of the military at current levels, due to the WOT if nothing else.....and they don't want to be perceived as the stereotypical "soft on defense" type Democrats.

So, taxes and military shouldn't be too much of a problem for you. And they probably won't say what you want to hear on the other two issues, but they won't push a radical agenda to regulate guns or ban dogs either. Those issues may get you stirred up, but most people think "leave well enough alone" which is what they'd likely do.

JMHO, based on what I know of them.

I am still going to want to know what their position is on everything. Defering to the court isn't going to get may support.

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 02:29 PM
I am still going to want to know what their position is on everything. Defering to the court isn't going to get may support.I suspect you'll be disappointed by them, then. And fwiw, you probably need to keep in mind.....even if a Republican pol says something you like, they are probably just telling you what you want to hear. Like they do the pro life people, or the prayer back in school people. Lip-service.

I'd be surprised in 2008, if guns, dogs, or affirmative action are anywhere near the top ten issues the candidates will have to address publicly and in a clear way. They'll mumble the party line, or some generic position paper regurgitation that a staffer wrote......because polls will show them that most voters don't have them on their list of priorities. JMHO

oldandslow
07-14-2006, 04:01 PM
Pretty good list Kotter.

BTW, my opinion is that if Mark Warner gets the nomination, he will win the election.

Laz
07-14-2006, 04:19 PM
I haven't done my research on these guys. I would like nothing more than a good moderate Democrat right now except for a Libertarian which would be ideal.

1. Don't raise taxes.
2. Leave our guns and dogs alone.
3. No affirmative action.
4. Keep our military strong.

You got this you got my vote and support. Hell I will go door to door for the Dems.

1. don't raise taxes ........ guess what, the next president is gonna have to raise them irregardless of which party it is. Bush = mess

2a guns ... nothing gonna happen with your guns irregardless of the party.

2b dogs are a local government situation not federal

3. affirmative action - no real movement here either

4. military strong - it's not that strong now .. what's your point?

BIG_DADDY
07-14-2006, 04:20 PM
Pretty good list Kotter.

BTW, my opinion is that if Mark Warner gets the nomination, he will win the election.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Warner.htm#Gun_Control

MArk Warner is strongly supports mandatory hiring of people based on ethnicity and sexual orientation.

I would say he is a HUGE affirmative action guy.

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 04:39 PM
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Warner.htm#Gun_Control

MArk Warner is strongly supports mandatory hiring of people based on ethnicity and sexual orientation.

I would say he is a HUGE affirmative action guy.
I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. He is a Democrat.

IMO though, it's still nothing more than lip service. Like Republican "lip service" on abortion. It's red meat to shore up the base, that means little or nothing in terms of substantive proposals or actions.

Mr. Kotter
07-14-2006, 04:42 PM
Pretty good list Kotter.

BTW, my opinion is that if Mark Warner gets the nomination, he will win the election.


It would be an interesting race, against say.....George Allen. :hmmm:

redbrian
07-14-2006, 05:40 PM
Well no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public.

The mayor of New Orleans was re-elected after a total shambles in the organization and execution of the New Orleans emergency preparedness plain.

The Democrats shut down the State of New Jersey when the Democratic Governor and State Government could not come to agreement on a budget.

mlyonsd
07-14-2006, 05:45 PM
Read my lips.

The republican nomination will either go to McCain or Guiliani. Unless they both die of cancer, which ironically both have had.

DenverChief
07-14-2006, 08:35 PM
"I'm gonna lie to your ass, just to fugg with you" dynamics that appear to be more prevalent with higher income and Republican voters. :)


I'm a registered republican for :evil: reasons :D

go bowe
07-14-2006, 08:44 PM
I'm a registered republican for :evil: reasons :Dhey, j...

what up?

the deputy dog thing workin' out for ya?

HerculesRockefell
07-14-2006, 09:57 PM
THis same poll had registered voters saying John Kerry was comfortably ahead too. I wouldn't
put much stock in it. The dems shouldn't either.

Probably because this poll surveyed 12% more Dems than Reps.

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/ap-screws-another-poll-to-say-gop-will-lose-congress

SBK
07-15-2006, 01:01 AM
I haven't done my research on these guys. I would like nothing more than a good moderate Democrat right now except for a Libertarian which would be ideal.

1. Don't raise taxes.
2. Leave our guns and dogs alone.
3. No affirmative action.
4. Keep our military strong.

You got this you got my vote and support. Hell I will go door to door for the Dems.

There's not very many Republicans with enough balls agree with you today. I've decided that since Reagan left office I am way more conservative than 99% of the (R)'s out there.

That being said, they aren't nearly as neutered as the dems when it comes to defense and stuff like that.

SBK
07-15-2006, 01:03 AM
1. don't raise taxes ........ guess what, the next president is gonna have to raise them irregardless of which party it is. Bush = mess



Well too bad that the morons in Washington haven't realized that lowering taxes boosts the economy, thereby raising the income to the gov't.

Raising taxes, stifles the economy, thereby lowering the amount of money into the treasury.

It works the same way in business, have a sale, profits go up, no sale, profits go down. The biggest sales of the year happen the day after Thanksgiving, which also happen to be the day that most businesses make so much money that they go into the profit column for the year.

Pitt Gorilla
07-15-2006, 01:22 AM
Well too bad that the morons in Washington haven't realized that lowering taxes boosts the economy, thereby raising the income to the gov't.

Raising taxes, stifles the economy, thereby lowering the amount of money into the treasury.

It works the same way in business, have a sale, profits go up, no sale, profits go down. The biggest sales of the year happen the day after Thanksgiving, which also happen to be the day that most businesses make so much money that they go into the profit column for the year.So, your argument is to have lower taxes only part of the time (like a sale?)

Mr. Kotter
07-15-2006, 01:28 AM
I'm a registered republican for :evil: reasons :D

But, there are more of US than there are of YOU.

Rausch
07-15-2006, 01:36 AM
No, Americans want change and most just don't have any faith at all in a 3rd party/Independant...

Pitt Gorilla
07-15-2006, 02:18 AM
But, there are more of US than there are of YOU.Who are "us?"

go bowe
07-15-2006, 02:31 AM
you don't really want to know, do you?

Fishpicker
07-15-2006, 02:55 AM
I lean to the left of even the furthest-left politicos. Still, I cannot imagine voting for any one of those cretin scumbags that supposedly represent a progressive movement. Lieberman is a compulsive liar, Dean is an idiotic poodle, and Clinton is an acquiescent war-hawk!

I just feel let down that there is no opposition party whatsoever. The democratic party is useless and tryte despite the best efforts of Murtha & McKinney. I can only hope that Robert Bowman is elected somehow.

memyselfI
07-15-2006, 07:00 AM
I don't believe this is true because of this poll. I think it's true because it's the old 'devil you know or the one you don't.' In the last election the American people BARELY felt comfortable with the one we knew and he was re-elected for another four years. But, with the US/world as it is today that familiar devil just doesn't strike most of us a wise choice anymore.

Cowboy diplomacy has POSSIBLY (debateable) made the US safer but the world around us is going to shit which, as I've always argued, is long term more dangerous to us. Many people are starting to figure this out.

Ugly Duck
07-15-2006, 07:20 AM
Republicans have a pretty good chance of staying in power using the formula thats been working for them. As the election draws nigh, we'll see reports of terrorist plots against the US being thwarted left and right. We'll see reports of some evil axis country as a grave and gathering threat. The electorate should knee-jerk like they did before. Top that off with plans to bring troops home as a soothing salve, merely changing the title from "Cut and Run" to "Peace with Honor" or similar Rovian platitude. The RNC should be able to count on hordes of slackjawed Camaro-driving WalMart-shoppers to fall for the same bull.

StcChief
07-15-2006, 07:53 AM
All kinds of polls say libs are the majority opinion - except election results.

Surprise the liberal media conducts the polls.

any result I see from them I call BS.

Mr. Kotter
07-15-2006, 08:11 AM
Who are "us?"People (Republican and Democrat) whose contempt for the media and pollsters is such that we refuse to participate in their bullshit, or when we do.....we play games with the fuggers.

:D

patteeu
07-15-2006, 08:50 AM
The democratic party is useless and tryte despite the best efforts of Murtha & McKinney. I can only hope that Robert Bowman is elected somehow.

After reading that first sentence, I sure hope I never find out who Robert Bowman is. ROFL

Mr. Kotter
07-15-2006, 09:05 AM
After reading that first sentence, I sure hope I never find out who Robert Bowman is. ROFL

http://www.rmbowman.com/Bowman2000/

Bowser
07-15-2006, 11:46 AM
i think democrats stand a decent chance if for no other reason because the general public doesn't want a monopoly in the federal government.

all republican :shake:
all democrat :shake:


learned now that a mix keeps a little balance ... which is a good thing.

Damn right.

I really don't care which party sits in the White House. But the last few years hasn't taught us anything if we haven't realized that having one party run the whole show is nothing but a recipe for disaster.

Fishpicker
07-15-2006, 03:56 PM
After reading that first sentence, I sure hope I never find out who Robert Bowman is. ROFL

He's actually conservative but wound up on the democratic ticket because he didn't want to be affiliated with radical neocons.

SBK
07-15-2006, 08:57 PM
So, your argument is to have lower taxes only part of the time (like a sale?)

No, it's to lower them all the time. Stores have sales going on 365 days a year, ever noticed?

Speaking of lowering taxes, let me rant. I get sick and tired of paying income (federal and state), sales, property, phone, usage, utility and all the other taxes we pay and then have people have the balls to tell me I don't pay enough. Then, after you've paid taxes your whole freaking life the gov't goes ahead and takes your estate from your family as well. How the American people are ok with this is beyond me.

End rant.