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keg in kc
07-17-2006, 08:59 AM
GRETZ: AFC WEST PREVIEW - Denver (http://kcchiefs.com/news/2006/07/17/gretz_afc_west_preview__denver/)

Jul 17, 2006, 8:52:47 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ

(This week, we’ll look at the rest of the AFC West as all four division teams get ready to start training camp next week. Today it’s the Broncos, on Wednesday the Chargers and on Friday the Raiders.)


The defending AFC West champion Denver Broncos have barely tweaked their roster as they get ready to start training camp.

Gone are long-time DE Trevor Pryce and the leading rusher from last season, Mike Anderson (1,014 yards.) Disappointing WR Ashley Lelie has demanded a trade, unhappy with his role with the Broncos. One reason he’s not thrilled is the team’s biggest off-season addition: WR Javon Walker, acquired in a draft-day trade from the Green Bay Packers. But Walker is coming off a torn ACL in his right knee and missed the last 15 weeks of the 2005 regular season.

The rest of Mike Shanahan’s attack will look very similar to what Denver rode to a 13-3 record in winning the division last year.

OFFENSE
Strength: The Broncos ability to run the ball remains the heart beat of this offense, no matter who is carrying the ball. Most teams losing their leading rusher would have gone out and signed somebody in free agency or used a high draft choice on a running back. Not Shanahan. Anderson signs in Baltimore and the head coach has so much confidence in his scheme and line that any back can gain 1,000 yards. It appears Ron Dayne will get that chance to be the man in 2006. Tatum Bell is back as well and will push for playing time.

The reason Denver runs the ball so well is the offensive line and it returns intact for the coming season. They led the Broncos to 158.7 yards rushing per game (No. 2 in the league) and 360.4 offensive yards per game (5th in the NFL.) The starting O-Line played together for all 16 games; that’s good for Denver, because the Broncos lack any experience among their backup linemen.

Weakness: Shanahan pulled back on the offense in ‘05 and QB Jake Plummer put together one of his best overall seasons, throwing 18 TD passes versus seven interceptions. That didn’t stop Shanahan from trading up and using a No. 1 draft pick on Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler. How well Plummer handles this situation, and whether he continues to play “smart” football (few interceptions) will decide the Broncos season. Shanahan doesn’t need Plummer to be a hero; he needs him to be efficient.

Questions: If Walker bounces back, he provides a top-notch one-two punch with the ageless 36-year old Rod Smith (1,105 yards in ‘05/eighth time in nine years he’s gone over 1,000 yards.) If Walker doesn’t return to his previous form, the Broncos will have a problem. They lack a true receiving threat at tight end. That’s one reason that Shanahan has been in no hurry to deal Lelie; he may still need him in ‘06.

DEFENSE
Strength: The Broncos linebackers do a great job and helped the Broncos finish as the No. 2 defense in the league against the run, allowing an average of just 85.2 yards per game. MLB Al Wilson is the leader of this group and last year, WLB Ian Gold really stepped forward, leading the team in tackles with 106, along with three sacks. After a strong rookie season in 2004, SLB D.J. Williams took a step back last year, finishing sixth on the team with 68 tackles, no sacks, no interceptions and no fumble recoveries.

Weakness: Veteran FS John Lynch said during the Broncos mini-camp that he thought his year’s Denver defense has enough talent to be No. 1 in the league. Lynch was part of a defense in Tampa Bay that finished as the top unit in the league.

To achieve that, the Broncos will have to significantly improve their pass defense. They allowed 227.7 yards per game, finishing 29th in the league and just two yards less per game than the often-ridiculed Chiefs pass defense. In the secondary, CB Champ Bailey finished with a career-high eight interceptions, but he was also frequently burned (see Eddie Kennison’s 108 yards against Broncos in December at Arrowhead for example.) Bailey did play the whole season wearing a harness on his right shoulder after suffering a dislocation in the season opener against Miami. He will apparently wear that harness again in ‘06, because he did not have surgery in the off-season.

Questions: Pryce was released and he signed with Baltimore. The Broncos picked up another defensive lineman from the Cleveland Browns, this time DE Kenard Lang. He’s the fifth DL to join the team from the Browns in the last two years. Where is the pass rush going to come from? Last year, Denver had 28 sacks, with 11 of those coming from the back seven. Pryce left with four sacks.

SPECIAL TEAMS
The Broncos suffered a blow when kickoff man-punter Todd Sauerbrun was hit with a four-game NFL suspension for testing positive for the use of the diuretic ephedra. He’ll be gone for the first Chiefs-Broncos game on September 17th at Invesco Field. Jason Elam is a solid kicker and Darrent Williams has potential as a returner. Coverage units finished 10th on punts, 29th in kick coverage last season.




ADDITIONS OF NOTE: WR Javon Walker(from Green Bay in a draft day trade/suffered season ending knee injury in Packers first game), DE Kenard Lang (from Cleveland as an unrestricted free agent/43 tackles, 2 sacks with Browns, playing all 16 games, starting five), LB Nate Webster (from Cincinnati as an unrestricted free agent/spent 11 games on PUP list and played in just one game in ‘05 for the Bengals.)

LOST: DE Trevor Pryce(41 tackles, 4 sacks while starting 16 games at right DE), RB Mike Anderson (Broncos’ leading rusher with 1,014 yards and 12 rushing TDs while starting 15 games in ‘05), TE Jeb Putzier (Broncos third leading receiver in ‘05 with 37 catches for 481 yards/signed with Houston), DE Marco Coleman (10 tackles, 1 sack in seven games/remains unsigned, considering retirement), DT Monsanto Pope (2 tackles in 2 games/signed with New York Jets), TE Wesley Duke (2 catches for 21 yards in 3 games/released, but may be re-signed.)

SOON TO BE LOST?: WR Ashley Lelie (unhappy with contract/Broncos second leading receiver last season with 42 catches for 770 yards.)

FREE AGENTS RETAINED: LT Matt Lepsis (16 starts), DT Gerard Warren (16 starts, 42 tackles, 3 sacks), RB Ron Dayne (10 games/53 carries, 270 yards), LB Keith Burns (15 games, leading coverage man in kicking game with 17 tackles), S Sam Brandon (14 games, 20 tackles), DE John Engelberger (14 games, 24 tackles), LB Patrick Chukwurah (14 games, 7 special teams tackles), Mike Leach (long snapper.)

keg in kc
07-17-2006, 09:00 AM
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King_Chief_Fan
07-17-2006, 09:45 AM
Whether we like it or not, Bronco's have a great chance to repeat their success and provide more than enough competition for the AFCW.

I did find it amusing though that "They allowed 227.7 yards per game, finishing 29th in the league and just two yards less per game than the often-ridiculed Chiefs pass defense.".......and..."The Broncos linebackers do a great job and helped the Broncos finish as the No. 2 defense in the league against the run, allowing an average of just 85.2 yards per game."


So, the question remains.........do we really need Ty Law?

morphius
07-17-2006, 09:57 AM
Whether we like it or not, Bronco's have a great chance to repeat their success and provide more than enough competition for the AFCW.

I did find it amusing though that "They allowed 227.7 yards per game, finishing 29th in the league and just two yards less per game than the often-ridiculed Chiefs pass defense.".......and..."The Broncos linebackers do a great job and helped the Broncos finish as the No. 2 defense in the league against the run, allowing an average of just 85.2 yards per game."


So, the question remains.........do we really need Ty Law?
I don't know. I mean really, I don't know why the opposite DE crash in on run plays against Denver at all, in their one cut system they are not going to be dancing around for you to get a hand on, so if the play is going away from you, crash in on the QB. That takes away a large percentage of Jake game, especially in the red zone.

htismaqe
07-17-2006, 10:00 AM
Whether we like it or not, Bronco's have a great chance to repeat their success and provide more than enough competition for the AFCW.

I did find it amusing though that "They allowed 227.7 yards per game, finishing 29th in the league and just two yards less per game than the often-ridiculed Chiefs pass defense.".......and..."The Broncos linebackers do a great job and helped the Broncos finish as the No. 2 defense in the league against the run, allowing an average of just 85.2 yards per game."


So, the question remains.........do we really need Ty Law?

We need to STOP THE RUN. I've only been saying as much, with TONS of supporting evidence, since the old Star BB days.

Iowanian
07-17-2006, 10:06 AM
Crashing DEs also lose contain on the damn Bootleg.

vailpass
07-17-2006, 10:07 AM
Pretty decent analysis; I would disagree with two points regarding the Denver O. IMHO:

1) Tatum Bell will be the starting RB when all is said and done. Bell has added some weight to make him a more effective short yardage back while retaining his breakaway speed. Tagging Dane as the starter is Shanny's way of driving Bell to be the RB the coaches think he can be.

2) Denver is not holding back on trading Lelie; they are confident in Walker and have been open and active in exploring deals for Lelie. The reason no trade had been made is Shanny is holding out for a better offer. Once camp starts and some team has a WR go down with an injury the serious negotiating will start.
Much like Portis, Lelie has ****ed himself in the eyes of Shanny and is becoming persona non grata.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-17-2006, 10:19 AM
I can't wait!!! Football is a week away!!! The "offseason" has went by fast, I must say.

Shox
07-17-2006, 10:19 AM
The Broncos will take a step backwards. They will still be a pretty good football team, but no 13-3.........9-7/11-5 range.

They still have Jake the Mistake at the helm. He has never been able to be a consistent QB. His true spots will re-emerge in 2006.

Receivers are going to be problem. A WR (Walker) coming off an ACL tear is not easy. The cutting and acceleration can't be there yet.

Smith is amazing but he is getting REALLY old. Look at the cliff J. Smith fell off last year. Is it R. Smith's turn?

Putzier was a very underrated TE IMO. They are going to depend on a rookie to be the pass catching TE. I don't see it happening with a lot of success.

The "Browns West D" still does not have a pass rush. They had a good run D, but it was overrated. There pass D was so weak teams just did not run as much because it was easy pickings through the air. LJ did not have to much problem running, 140 yards on 30 carries.

Maybe it is my dislike of the Donks, but I just think they are going to take a step backwards.

morphius
07-17-2006, 10:28 AM
Crashing DEs also lose contain on the damn Bootleg.
Which is why I said to crash them in with focus on the QB and ignore the RB.

morphius
07-17-2006, 10:30 AM
Pretty decent analysis; I would disagree with two points regarding the Denver O. IMHO:

1) Tatum Bell will be the starting RB when all is said and done. Bell has added some weight to make him a more effective short yardage back while retaining his breakaway speed. Tagging Dane as the starter is Shanny's way of driving Bell to be the RB the coaches think he can be.

2) Denver is not holding back on trading Lelie; they are confident in Walker and have been open and active in exploring deals for Lelie. The reason no trade had been made is Shanny is holding out for a better offer. Once camp starts and some team has a WR go down with an injury the serious negotiating will start.
Much like Portis, Lelie has ****ed himself in the eyes of Shanny and is becoming persona non grata.

Don't you mean "Much like Portis and any WR not named Rod Smith...".

StcChief
07-17-2006, 10:42 AM
The have a chance to repeat in ACFW. I have my doubts with losing Pryce, Saurbren 4 games. Lelie effective if he stays. Walker able to step up again....

Plummer having another career year.

Alot of Iffy propositions, IMO.

NOTE: No mention of CB Walls leaving...I guess he wasn't note worthy.

NFL - Not For Long

morphius
07-17-2006, 10:46 AM
The have a chance to repeat in ACFW. I have my doubts with losing Pryce, Saurbren 4 games. Lelie effective if he stays. Walker able to step up again....

Plummer having another career year.

Alot of Iffy propositions, IMO.

NOTE: No mention of CB Walls leaving...I guess he wasn't note worthy.

NFL - Not For Long
Yup, there big advantage is that in the rest of the AFC we have two new HC's and one new starting QB. Things that rarely seem to be a great thing for a team.

CupidStunt
07-17-2006, 11:01 AM
On paper, they're certainly the team to beat IMO.

However, as mentioned, that's often the case in July. I thought the 2003 Chiefs would've repeated and the same goes for the 2004 Chargers.

chiefqueen
07-17-2006, 11:13 AM
Whether we like it or not, Bronco's have a great chance to repeat their success and provide more than enough competition for the AFCW.

I did find it amusing though that "They allowed 227.7 yards per game, finishing 29th in the league and just two yards less per game than the often-ridiculed Chiefs pass defense.".......and..."The Broncos linebackers do a great job and helped the Broncos finish as the No. 2 defense in the league against the run, allowing an average of just 85.2 yards per game."


So, the question remains.........do we really need Ty Law?

As much as I HATE to write this

but for at least the remainder of this decade

DENVER BRONCOS = ST. LOUIS CARDINALS

Like it or not they're winning the division, the only question is whether the Chiefs can grab a WC before the offense must be rebuilt.

CosmicPal
07-17-2006, 11:16 AM
Personally, I think Denver will be slumping this season. Too many changes in players and personnel, too many unhappy players (Lelie wanting to leave i.e.), and too many offseason distractions (Plummer's road rage i.e.).

I think the biggest blows will be losing Kubiak as their OC and letting Pryce go for younger talent. I think they are willing to take a step back this year in order to make a giant leap forward the next season.

They do have a lot of good, young talent and they will still be THE team to beat in the AFC West, and they will certainly be over .500 this season, but much like KC had a 10-6 record and didn't make the playoffs last season- I envision the same for Denver this season.

This is the season for Kansas City to win the AFC West. There is no better time for KC to do it than now. S.D. will be an outstanding team, but I'm not sold on Rivers and I certainly don't expect him to duplicate Rothleisberger's achievements. They too will be a good team, but not enough to win it all. KC, on the other hand, has a rich mix of experience and youth. KC has got to be *****ing hungry this year. The opportunity has never been better for us when the rest of the division will be going through some major changes: new head coach in Oakland, new starting QB's in Oakland and SD, conflicts and turmoil in Denver.

The time is now.

HerculesRockefell
07-17-2006, 11:36 AM
10-11 wins, might win the division or it might not. No pass rush and the safeties are terrible in coverage. Whether the offense is improved over last year will be determined whether Scheffler, Watts, and Terrell can step up. I think Walker will put up similar numbers to Lelie's from last year, probably some more TDs though, so that's a wash move at this point. '07 will be when Walker will make a true impact. The Chiefs are the only team with a shot to win the division besides the Broncos.

vailpass
07-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Don't you mean "Much like Portis and any WR not named Rod Smith...".

ROFL Pretty much, except McCaffrey......

vailpass
07-17-2006, 12:13 PM
The have a chance to repeat in ACFW. I have my doubts with losing Pryce, Saurbren 4 games. Lelie effective if he stays. Walker able to step up again....

Plummer having another career year.

Alot of Iffy propositions, IMO.

NOTE: No mention of CB Walls leaving...I guess he wasn't note worthy.

NFL - Not For Long

Agree with all the above. Add in the loss of Kubiak at the offensive helm and there are plenty of reasons for Denver to stumble.
OTOH you can find just as many iffy propositions for San Diego, KC, and the Fade to be down this year.
I can not ****ing wait for this season to start.

tk13
07-17-2006, 12:17 PM
It seems like every offseason we do this like clockwork. The Broncos are always the team that looks like they took a step backward on paper. But they never really do. This year probably won't be any different. They might not win 13 games but they'll probably find a way to stick their noses in the mix.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2006, 12:21 PM
Smith is amazing but he is getting REALLY old. Look at the cliff J. Smith fell off last year. Is it R. Smith's turn?

Smith fell off a cliff in 2005? Maybe I'm misreading what you are trying to say, but ... Smith had these stats: 70 rec for 1,023 yds and 6 TDs

Last year, Rod had 85 rec for 1,105 yds and 6 TDs.

Jimmy entered the league in 1992, Rod in 1995... so, by the Jimmy example... Rod's "cliff" is a year or 2 away.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2006, 12:22 PM
I think the Chargers are going to take a hit with thier change of QB and that when December rolls around, it will officially be a two team race for the division title b/t Denver and KC. Oakland will be frustrating, but they won't win 8 games.

sedated
07-17-2006, 12:45 PM
Like KC, Dungver has a tough schedule.

But, of course, the majority of their tough games are at home.

HOME
Baltimore
Indy
Seattle
Cincy
SF
*Division

AWAY
STL
NE
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Arizona
*Division

Mile High Mania
07-17-2006, 02:20 PM
Like KC, Dungver has a tough schedule.

But, of course, the majority of their tough games are at home.

HOME
Baltimore
Indy
Seattle
Cincy
SF
*Division

AWAY
STL
NE
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Arizona
*DivisionSchedule whining? Already...

@ NE and Pitt are about as tough as you can get. AZ is improved, but until they show it, you can't say much about it really... same for the Rams, but @ STL is a tough place to play with their offense.

Yes, it does rock to have SEA, Indy, Balt and Cincy in Denver though.

How does KC shape up?

Home
Bengals
49ers
Seahawks
Ravens
Jaguars

Away
Cardinals
Steelers
Rams
Dolphins
Browns

So, of the 5 non AFCW home games ... KC and DEN have 4 out of 5 being the same with the exceptions being Denver/Indy & KC/Jaguars.

Of the 5 non AFCW away games... 4 out of 5 are the same with the exceptions being Den @ NE and KC @ Dolphins.

The away games are essentially equal and if I had to pick the home advantage, I'd say KC has the easier game with the Jags.

Let's stop with the schedule whining... it's way too early.

HerculesRockefell
07-17-2006, 03:29 PM
Like KC, Dungver has a tough schedule.

But, of course, the majority of their tough games are at home.

HOME
Baltimore
Indy
Seattle
Cincy
SF
*Division

AWAY
STL
NE
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Arizona
*Division

Are you serious? Denver and KC play the exact same schedule (same team and same location) except for the two games determined by the previous year's standings. SD and Oakland have the same set-up with their games.

HerculesRockefell
07-17-2006, 03:30 PM
So, of the 5 non AFCW home games ... KC and DEN have 4 out of 5 being the same with the exceptions being Denver/Indy & KC/Jaguars.

Of the 5 non AFCW away games... 4 out of 5 are the same with the exceptions being Den @ NE and KC @ Dolphins.


Until at least 2009, KC and Denver will have 14 of 16 games in common.

htismaqe
07-17-2006, 03:31 PM
Are you serious? Denver and KC play the exact same schedule (same team and same location) except for the two games determined by the previous year's standings. SD and Oakland have the same set-up with their games.

You'll have to forgive Mr. Vermeil. He's still not happy about being forced to retire...

chiefqueen
07-17-2006, 03:46 PM
Are you serious? Denver and KC play the exact same schedule (same team and same location) except for the two games determined by the previous year's standings. SD and Oakland have the same set-up with their games.

Yeah but the big difference is when you play them. Let's take a look at the final 3 games for both teams:

KC @ SD; @ Oak; Jax (home) - going 3-0 is unrealistic; 2-1 is very wishful thinking; 1-2 is most likely and 0-3 during this time probably would shock no one.

Den: @ AZ; SF (home); Cincy (home) - okay Cincy does have the talent to beat them but COME ON that ain't happening in Denver. Also, despite AZ's new digs I still expect the majority of fans @ that game to be Denver fans. I won't even mention the other game. Clearly DEN will be expected to go 3-0 in their last 3 games.

Smells like a Shanarat was on the scheduling committee.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2006, 03:59 PM
Yeah but the big difference is when you play them. Let's take a look at the final 3 games for both teams:

KC @ SD; @ Oak; Jax (home) - going 3-0 is unrealistic; 2-1 is very wishful thinking; 1-2 is most likely and 0-3 during this time probably would shock no one.

Den: @ AZ; SF (home); Cincy (home) - okay Cincy does have the talent to beat them but COME ON that ain't happening in Denver. Also, despite AZ's new digs I still expect the majority of fans @ that game to be Denver fans. I won't even mention the other game. Clearly DEN will be expected to go 3-0 in their last 3 games.

Smells like a Shanarat was on the scheduling committee.

Don't forget that KC has THREE (3) back2back road trips... Denver only has 2.

The month of November... wow... Denver has 3 of 4 games on the road. KC has 2 at home and 2 on the road.

Denver starts off with 2 of 3 on the road... vs 2 of 3 at home for KC.

Seriously... all this shit balances out.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-17-2006, 08:43 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the AFC West will, once again, be a two horse race between us and the Broncos.

Shocker.

PGM
07-17-2006, 09:15 PM
Don't forget that KC has THREE (3) back2back road trips... Denver only has 2.

The month of November... wow... Denver has 3 of 4 games on the road. KC has 2 at home and 2 on the road.

Denver starts off with 2 of 3 on the road... vs 2 of 3 at home for KC.

Seriously... all this shit balances out.

i agree. both teams schedules are pretty much the same...may the best team win.

SoCalBronco
07-17-2006, 09:29 PM
I think we will be a good, solid 10-6 this year.

I like what we have on the team generally speaking but there are huge holes at TE and DE and to an extent, RB too, but generally its a pretty decent team we have.

I will stick with 10-6, photofinish for the division crown with KC and SD. I think Oakland will also do alot better than most people expect, I like the speed they have added to their back seven via the draft the last two years, but they'll be a step behind the rest, albeit a much smaller step than most think.

Halfcan
07-17-2006, 09:33 PM
Donks will have several other players suspended for roids before kickoff opening day. They will end up last in our division and finish 6-10.