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Rooster
07-19-2006, 09:33 AM
I love Kevin Smith's work. Siegal seemed to strike a nerve with his comments regarding Clerks II.


July 19, 2006 -- DON'T joke about women, donkeys and bestiality if you expect Joel Siegel to watch your movie. That's what director Kevin Smith found out when the pun-loving "Good Morning America" film critic stormed out of a press screening of Smith's "Clerks II," which opens Friday - an act that's sparked a vicious war of words between the two.
"Time to go!" roared Siegel to his fellow critics. "First movie I've walked out of in 30 [bleeping] years!" His tirade came 40 minutes into the long-awaited Weinstein Company sequel to Smith's 1994 cult classic about two foul-mouthed Long Island convenience store clerks who razz customers and goof off.

In the scene that sent Siegel to the exit, the characters graphically discuss hiring a woman to perform sexual favors on a donkey. Siegel told Page Six: "It was so foul and mean and repulsive. I finally realized I could not say anything positive . . . I wasn't ready for this kind of smut . . . I hope he doesn't make any more movies."

An apoplectic Smith fired back on his MySpace blog: "Getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed-critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay. For 'Pirates 2,' he made us all titter with 'Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun' . . . He made us squeal with delight when he wrote, 'Wheelie Good Time for "Cars." ' I mean, Fozzy [bleeping] Bear laughs at this guy."

And there's more: "I don't need Joel Siegel to [bleep] my [bleep] the way he apparently [bleeps] M. Night Shyamalan's, gushing over his flick ['The Lady in the Water'] before he's even seen it, but [bleep] man, man - how about a little common [bleeping] courtesy? You never, never disrupt a movie, simply because you don't like it. Cardinal rule of moviegoing: Shut your [bleeping] mouth while the movie's playing.

"I don't come down to your job and slap the taste out of your mouth for coming up with a line like, ' "Shark Tale" Is a Halibut Good Time' - so don't [bleep] with my stuff while it's still screening . . . What are you, a 12-year-old boy cutting loose with your pals at a Friday night screening of 'Scary Movie' 4' while your parents are in a theater down the hall watching 'The Devil Wears Prada'? Leave the diva-like behavior and drama-queen antics to the movie stars, not the movie reviewer, ya' rude-ass [bleep]."

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/pagesix_u.htm

Rain Man
07-19-2006, 09:37 AM
That's a [bleeping] interesting post. I [bleeping] enjoyed reading it.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-19-2006, 09:40 AM
As a general rule, I can't stand Kevin Smith (not that I condone Siegel's action -- or his mustache). I saw the poster for Clerks II this weekend at an AMC, and I swear the exact words out of my mouth to my wife were, "Oh god, why?"

Jilly
07-19-2006, 09:53 AM
Doesn't seem like Joel Siegel's type of movie anyways, so why would he bother? His audience on GMA doesn't go see movies like that, so what was he doing it for. I think Kevin Smith is a genius, but I definitely believe there is a specific audience for his movies.

RedDread
07-19-2006, 10:01 AM
As a general rule, I can't stand Kevin Smith (not that I condone Siegel's action -- or his mustache). I saw the poster for Clerks II this weekend at an AMC, and I swear the exact words out of my mouth to my wife were, "Oh god, why?"

You shut your [bleeping] mouth!!!

htismaqe
07-19-2006, 10:08 AM
I've met Kevin Smith and he's cool.

|Zach|
07-19-2006, 10:12 AM
Awesome, I really enjoyed the thing they did showing Kevin Smith speaking at all the different colleges...funny stuff.

"You see, Prince doesn't understand why you can't get 2 camels in the middle of suburban Minniaplolis in the middle of the night."

"He is Prince."

jAZ
07-19-2006, 10:31 AM
Awesome video...

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00007149S.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1056738959_.jpg


There's an interview with Smith on Amazon's "Fishbowl w/ Bill Mahr"... Click this link to watch the video

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00007149S/102-0179007-3455336?v=glance&n=130

Demonpenz
07-19-2006, 10:46 AM
I hate it when you see a joke fresh in your mind and then another movie tries to do the same thing. I Like the way 40 year virgin attacked the horse/mule ****ing a woman. DIdn't have to show it. you could tell the pain in the guy telling the story

jidar
07-19-2006, 10:48 AM
Clerks was good, looking forward to the sequel.

dilligaf
07-19-2006, 12:07 PM
Clerks was good, looking forward to the sequel.
Dogma is one of my Favorite movies. Very funny show. ROFL

Brock
07-19-2006, 12:10 PM
After suffering through JASBSB and Jersey Girl, I certainly hope what I'm hearing about Clerks 2 isn't true.

Reaper16
07-19-2006, 12:15 PM
It'll probably be like Mallrats: terrible, but still funny and enjoyable on some level.

RedDread
07-19-2006, 12:27 PM
After suffering through JASBSB and Jersey Girl, I certainly hope what I'm hearing about Clerks 2 isn't true.

What? That it got an 8 Minute standing ovation at Cannes?

morphius
07-19-2006, 12:28 PM
Kevin Smith is pretty damn funny, but I didn't really understand the need for Clerks 2. He did say he made it pretty raunchy expecting the ratings board to make it an NC17 movie, and that he would have to go in and figure out what to cut out of the movie, but then they just gave him an R. Then he thought about that and though, man what kind of screwed up orginization only gives this an R?

Fried Meat Ball!
07-19-2006, 12:31 PM
Dogma is one of my Favorite movies. Very funny show. ROFL
Dogma is the only film he's made that I liked. And before anyone says anything, I have seen every movie he's made at least twice (except Jersey Girl, never saw that one). And before anyone raises an eyebrow at me watching them twice when I didn't like them, I give EVERY movie two chances at making me like it. I recognize that there are times when you're just not "up" to watching a particular movie. The environment plays a role, and if I don't like something I'll be better prepared to put myself in a good environment/mood to enjoy something. I started doing this when I first saw Apocalypse Now -- I hated it, and from everything I'd heard I shouldn't. But knowing what I was going to be watching, I waited until I was in a mood for that type of film and I watched it. Now it's one of my favorites.





Boy that was a long way to go to say I liked Dogma. I'm gonna STFD and STFU.

ZootedGranny
07-19-2006, 12:56 PM
Clerks 2 looks ****ing HORRIBLE.

I enjoyed Chasing Amy & Clerks, but I can only take so much inauthentic overly verbose dialogue (actually, back and forth monologues framed as conversation) for so long.

Brock
07-19-2006, 01:07 PM
What? That it got an 8 Minute standing ovation at Cannes?

That means dick, pretty much. No, I was speaking of this.

http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=3872

DJJasonp
07-19-2006, 02:01 PM
Siegal just sold 10 million dollars worth of tickets for Kevin Smith....so in a way, Smith should thank him.

I've liked just about everything he's done....I'm looking forward to it....will it have the same impact as Clerks? Probably not....that took everyone by surprise....so this will have to go a long way to surprise/shock people.....but I still think it will be worth the 9 bucks for a ticket.

Smith's right on about Siegal though. Reveiwers like that are so pathetic....all they try to do is come up with the most clever quote so their quote can end up on a movie poster or TV commercial.

big nasty kcnut
07-19-2006, 04:40 PM
He got some good movies. That said i'll wait till the dvd to watch it.

redsurfer11
07-19-2006, 04:55 PM
I've never gone out of my way to watch a Kevin Smith movie. He grew up and hung out at the same places I did, when I was younger. In 1973 while I was at the New York Comic Art convention, I met Joel Siegal, he was a pompous,rude,asshole. After 33 years he's still the same.

Pants
07-19-2006, 05:06 PM
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back is a hilarious movie. Yeah, it's stupid, but funny as sh*t.

pak1983
07-19-2006, 05:20 PM
As a general rule, I can't stand Kevin Smith (not that I condone Siegel's action -- or his mustache). I saw the poster for Clerks II this weekend at an AMC, and I swear the exact words out of my mouth to my wife were, "Oh god, why?"



what a dousche!

Frazod
07-19-2006, 05:52 PM
what a dousche!

There is no "s" in "douche," you f#cking retard. This is the second day in a row I've seen you spell it incorrectly. Bringing nothing to the BB but mindless insults is one thing; but you could at least not be a complete moron while doing it.

JBucc
07-19-2006, 06:32 PM
There is no "s" in "douche," you f#cking retard. This is the second day in a row I've seen you spell it incorrectly. Bringing nothing to the BB but mindless insults is one thing; but you could at least not be a complete moron while doing it.
tousche!

Thig Lyfe
07-19-2006, 06:44 PM
I'm not familiar with Kevin Smith's work, but that MySpace entry of his was pretty funny, not to mention accurate.

And Clerks 2 looks okay, but I'll probably never end up seeing it.

Reaper16
07-19-2006, 06:59 PM
tousche!
ROFL

SCTrojan
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
I've liked every one of his movies, except Jersey Girl. I thought Dogma was hilarious. And Silent Bob is one of my favorite movie characters of all time. I can see how Jay's monologues could get on people's nerves, though.

Deberg_1990
07-19-2006, 09:03 PM
I like Kevin Smith films, but ill admit and by his own admission, hes not a very gifted filmaker. His one truly great gift, is his ear for dialouge. As for the acting, and direction of his films, they are not much to brag about. But I do enjoy watching his films, because they always make me laugh. Even Jersey Girl had a few good lines in it.

As for Joel Seigel, the dude is a quote whore and has about ZERO credibility as a film critic. Because of this i also think that Smith overrreacted just a tad. Why the hell should SMith care what Seigel thinks about his films??? Chill out Kevin!

Discuss Thrower
07-19-2006, 09:10 PM
Kevin Smith is pretty damn funny, but I didn't really understand the need for Clerks 2. He did say he made it pretty raunchy expecting the ratings board to make it an NC17 movie, and that he would have to go in and figure out what to cut out of the movie, but then they just gave him an R. Then he thought about that and though, man what kind of screwed up orginization only gives this an R?

The same organization that gave Wedding Crashers an R rating for maybe 6 sets of tits... And a handjob.

KcMizzou
07-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Because of this i also think that Smith overrreacted just a tad. Why the hell should SMith care what Seigel thinks about his films??? Chill out Kevin!Iagree. I'm a Smith fan, but I hate how he gets all defensive over things like this.

RedDread
07-19-2006, 09:49 PM
Iagree. I'm a Smith fan, but I hate how he gets all defensive over things like this.

He states in An Evening with Kevin Smith that he does stuff like this cause he's a press whore and likes to see his name in print. I would guess he wasn't personally offended by it but just wanted some publicity.

Fish
07-19-2006, 10:17 PM
Interview with Kevin Smith confronting Joel Siegal on Opie and Anthony

http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/joelsiegel.mp3

chief2000
07-19-2006, 10:50 PM
http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/joelsiegel.mp3

http://www.myspace.com/therealkevinsmith

Great advertising $$$

Mr. Flopnuts
07-19-2006, 10:54 PM
tousche!


ROFL ROFL ROFL This is easily the funniest post of the day.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-19-2006, 11:04 PM
Interview with Kevin Smith confronting Joel Siegal on Opie and Anthony

http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/joelsiegel.mp3



Kevin went off on him and Joel backtracked like the little moustache ridin bitch that he is.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-19-2006, 11:14 PM
Interview with Kevin Smith confronting Joel Siegal on Opie and Anthony

http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/joelsiegel.mp3


This is truly worth a listen. ROFL

KcMizzou
07-19-2006, 11:16 PM
Funny. He doesn't even realize he's talking to Smith until halfway through the interview.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-19-2006, 11:17 PM
Funny. He doesn't even realize he's talking to Smith until halfway through the interview.


My favorite part was at the end when they told him thanks for pussin out, he didn't know what it meant and then Kevin Smith says "With a moustache like that I'm not surprised he doesn't know what pussin out means."



"GAY MOUSTACHE PORN"

Fish
07-19-2006, 11:24 PM
Kevin went off on him and Joel backtracked like the little moustache ridin bitch that he is.

Yeah.... Joel Siegal was a total douche... he was twisting his own words around, changing his story, anything to try and get somebody to like him again....

He was all ready to give Smith an apology rimjob there at the end...

Nightwish
07-20-2006, 01:49 AM
As a general rule, I can't stand Kevin Smith (not that I condone Siegel's action -- or his mustache). I saw the poster for Clerks II this weekend at an AMC, and I swear the exact words out of my mouth to my wife were, "Oh god, why?"I kind of thought the same thing, at least as far as asking, "Why are they doing a sequel to "Clerks?" The first one was good enough, but if history has taught us anything, sequels to low-budget cult films usually suck, as a rule (anybody remember "Shock Treatment?"), though "Dogma" and "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" were classics in their own right. Of all his films to make a sequel to, why that one? For that matter, weren't "Chasing Amy," "Dogma" and "JASBSB" basically sequels of "Clerks" anyway?

As for Siegel, he's a putz and a half. I agree with Kevin, getting a bad review from him is a badge of honor, kind of like getting two thumbs down from Siskel and Roper (sp?) (or Siskel and Ebert) almost guarantees it's a good film! The stuff with the donkey, from what I've seen from the previews, well, it's no worse than half of what National Lampoon has come out with lately (and I don't think anybody can top the creme horns scene from Van Wilder).

Nightwish
07-20-2006, 02:13 AM
Interview with Kevin Smith confronting Joel Siegal on Opie and Anthony

http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/joelsiegel.mp3
Wow, how awesome was that!!!

KcMizzou
07-21-2006, 09:31 AM
High praise from the Chicago Sun-times...

Not only has Smith given us some very humorous answers, with "Clerks II," he has achieved something rarely accomplished by any filmmaker -- the creation of a sequel as good, and possibly funnier, than the wonderful original that inspired it.

After seeing "Clerks II," I walked out of the theater saying, "OK, Kevin Smith. All is forgiven. Obviously, 'Jersey Girl' was just a silly aberration. You not only have not lost your comedic touch -- you've taken it to new heights."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/movies/wkp-news-clerks21.html

It's currently at 72% postive reviews on rottentomatoes.com. The more I read, the more I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Bootlegged
07-21-2006, 09:56 AM
ha.

JBucc
07-21-2006, 09:57 AM
The only Kevin Smith movie I've seen was Dogma and I liked it a bit. I think I'll go rent or download Clerks sometime and get this one when it comes out on DVD.

chief2000
07-21-2006, 03:39 PM
i don't understand the fascination with directors.

Many dierctors only one good movie in them.

Saulbadguy
07-21-2006, 03:44 PM
I love Clerks, it is definately in my top 5.

I love Mallrats, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back. Chasing Amy was OK, and I never saw Jersey Girl.

Vulgar is one ****ed up movie.

chief2000
07-21-2006, 04:02 PM
Is ScoobyDoo in your top 5 ?

Reaper16
07-22-2006, 02:00 AM
Clerks II was surprising. I expected to be mildy entertained, but not to see a little bit of growth in the characters. Thoroughly funny, and a little bit sweet.

Rausch
07-22-2006, 02:17 AM
I won't sit here and claim Kevin Smith is the next Willy Shakespeare but you're ate up with the dumbass for taking him on in an interview/war of words.

He's very quick witted and more well read than people assume...

Otter
07-22-2006, 02:43 AM
There is no "s" in "douche," you f#cking retard. This is the second day in a row I've seen you spell it incorrectly. Bringing nothing to the BB but mindless insults is one thing; but you could at least not be a complete moron while doing it.

ROFL

I'm not going to post spoilers but Clerks didn't exactly end on a note where one would be expecting a sequel.

Clerks was OK, nothing too special outside of the unique approach it took. It was kind of like having a good post from ChiefsPlanet acted out; entertaining but not exactly thought provoking.

Chasing Amy was a cult classic back when I was in college, Id give it a 7 out of 10. Dogma was a good as well but I thought it was a little too fast paced and shallow for the topic it was trying to hit on. Again, a 7 out of 10.

I too will be waiting for the DVD to see this one.

Rausch
07-22-2006, 02:49 AM
Chasing Amy was a cult classic back when I was in college, Id give it a 7 out of 10.


You've got valid points until here.

7? ****ing 7?

That film attacks and examines sex from every possible angle.

Gay/lesbo angle, popular-straight-guy-stud-angle, geek-comix-reading-nerd-questioning-his-sexuality-angle, friend willing to watch a 2g on g even if it's with his friend angle, and then the whole sentimental had-something-special-but-I-****ed-it-up angle.

Really, what else is there?...

J Diddy
07-22-2006, 02:54 AM
You've got valid points until here.

7? ****ing 7?

That film attacks and examines sex from every possible angle.

Gay/lesbo angle, popular-straight-guy-stud-angle, geek-comix-reading-nerd-questioning-his-sexuality-angle, friend willing to watch a 2g on g even if it's with his friend angle, and then the whole sentimental had-something-special-but-I-****ed-it-up angle.

Really, what else is there?...


Arkansas-just-****ed-a-pig-because-I-drank-too-much-moonshine angle

Rausch
07-22-2006, 03:08 AM
Arkansas-just-****ed-a-pig-because-I-drank-too-much-moonshine angle

I figured Smith being in the film made that a given...

Otter
07-22-2006, 05:20 AM
You've got valid points until here.

7? ****ing 7?

That film attacks and examines sex from every possible angle.

Gay/lesbo angle, popular-straight-guy-stud-angle, geek-comix-reading-nerd-questioning-his-sexuality-angle, friend willing to watch a 2g on g even if it's with his friend angle, and then the whole sentimental had-something-special-but-I-****ed-it-up angle.

Really, what else is there?...

I don't know, to me sex has always been pretty straight forward. Not exactly somthing that needs deep insight in my little universe.

The "when did you lose your virginity" part was intriguing however.

DJJasonp
07-22-2006, 11:20 AM
Saw Clerks 2 last night....outstanding....thought it was close, if not as good as the first....

Lauged my ass off.

ENDelt260
07-22-2006, 07:49 PM
Found this stumbling around the Internet today. Apparently Smith even finds time to lash out at internet messageboard morons.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?p=6546369#post6546369

KcMizzou
07-22-2006, 07:50 PM
internet messageboard morons.
The lowest form of life. Wait...

luv
07-22-2006, 09:47 PM
I saw him on tv (VH1's 100 Funniest Movies) saying that he didn't mean for Clerks to be funny. It was just a a documentary of sorts relating to real life. Something like that.

Saulbadguy
07-23-2006, 06:37 AM
Found this stumbling around the Internet today. Apparently Smith even finds time to lash out at internet messageboard morons.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?p=6546369#post6546369
"All you mother****ers are gonna pay, You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna **** your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitchess. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax ****s who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all ****ing next."