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Moooo
07-26-2006, 08:22 AM
I was watching ESPN and they said the next closest first round player to signing is Tamba Hali, and that it wouldn't be suprising if it happened in the next few days.

That is all...

Moooo

Cochise
07-26-2006, 08:25 AM
I also noticed ESPN reporting that the two sides were close to a deal during all the Ty Law coverage.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-26-2006, 08:28 AM
I hope it's within the next 24 hours... they leave for River Falls tomorrow.

DaKCMan AP
07-26-2006, 08:28 AM
We should have all picks in on time this year, knock on rich scanlon.

KCTitus
07-26-2006, 08:29 AM
See, if you were a Premium Member, you would know exactly when the Tom Hale signing would be, down to the minute. As it stands right now, you're all just floating in the abyss of know-nothingness.

Bowser
07-26-2006, 08:35 AM
See, if you were a Premium Member, you would know exactly when the Tom Hale signing would be, down to the minute. As it stands right now, you're all just floating in the abyss of know-nothingness.

ROFL

Cochise
07-26-2006, 08:35 AM
See, if you were a Premium Member, you would know exactly when the Tom Hale signing would be, down to the minute. As it stands right now, you're all just floating in the abyss of know-nothingness.

ROFL ROFL

"Our inside sources report that Simba Hawley..."

StcChief
07-26-2006, 08:56 AM
See, if you were a Premium Member, you would know exactly when the Tom Hale signing would be, down to the minute. As it stands right now, you're all just floating in the abyss of know-nothingness.

I guess ignorance is bliss...
ROFL

Chiefnj
07-26-2006, 08:59 AM
Is Brodie signed yet?

rad
07-26-2006, 09:22 AM
Is Brodie signed yet?

No.

DaFace
07-26-2006, 10:09 AM
Is Croyle a concern, though? Forgive my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but there's no chance he'll start or anything, so is it a big deal if he's late to TC?

penguinz
07-26-2006, 10:11 AM
Is Croyle a concern, though? Forgive my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but there's no chance he'll start or anything, so is it a big deal if he's late to TC?
To learn the system and possibly fight for the 2nd string QB spot.

Chiefnj
07-26-2006, 10:15 AM
Is Croyle a concern, though? Forgive my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but there's no chance he'll start or anything, so is it a big deal if he's late to TC?

I don't know if it is a big deal or not.

What if Herm wanted a big youth movement and Huard gets cut. Then I think it's a big deal that he get in and battle for the #2 spot and get as many reps as possible. Even if Herm keeps Huard, if Croyle misses camp time Printers would get valuable time and perhaps beat him out of a spot. Then what? Do you risk putting a 3rd round QB on the PS? Keep 4 QB's? Cut Printers if he is outplaying Croyle? I don't know.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-26-2006, 10:30 AM
To learn the system and possibly fight for the 2nd string QB spot.
I've heard quite a bit of speculation that they'll keep four QBs. I've also heard that Printers has the edge on Croyle at this point.

Jilly
07-26-2006, 10:30 AM
I was watching ESPN and they said the next closest first round player to signing is Tamba Hali, and that it wouldn't be suprising if it happened in the next few days.

That is all...

Moooo

I hope that's true, I'd love to see him at Training Camp.

jspchief
07-26-2006, 10:32 AM
Is Croyle a concern, though? Forgive my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but there's no chance he'll start or anything, so is it a big deal if he's late to TC?Someone claimed that Croyle was wanting an incentive based contract that would pay quite a bit on the back end if he became the starter. Supposedly the Chiefs and Croyle aren't very close.

Not sure how legit that info is, but someone posted it here a few days back.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 10:33 AM
I've heard quite a bit of speculation that they'll keep four QBs. I've also heard that Printers has the edge on Croyle at this point.

I certainly hope we don't **** around and stunt Croyle's growth with a never-will-be like Printers...

morphius
07-26-2006, 10:39 AM
I certainly hope we don't **** around and stunt Croyle's growth with a never-will-be like Printers...
You mine like with Huard, who is also a proven never will be?

Dear lord just get rid of Huard...

R&GHomer
07-26-2006, 10:42 AM
I don't know if it is a big deal or not.

What if Herm wanted a big youth movement and Huard gets cut. Then I think it's a big deal that he get in and battle for the #2 spot and get as many reps as possible. Even if Herm keeps Huard, if Croyle misses camp time Printers would get valuable time and perhaps beat him out of a spot. Then what? Do you risk putting a 3rd round QB on the PS? Keep 4 QB's? Cut Printers if he is outplaying Croyle? I don't know.

Exactly :thumb:

Mr. Laz
07-26-2006, 10:46 AM
the chiefs seem to like to try and announce the signing of players on the morning the team leaves for training camp.

and taste for the dramatic i guess.



as long as he's there the first week of camp *cross fingers*

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 10:47 AM
You mine like with Huard, who is also a proven never will be?

Dear lord just get rid of Huard...

Huard's won 5 NFL games in 6 starts. If Green goes down for 1 or 2 games, Huard is the only logical choice to replace him.

If Green goes down for half a season or something drastic, Croyle should be playing.

There's no room on this team for Printers.

rad
07-26-2006, 10:51 AM
Huard's won 5 NFL games in 6 starts. If Green goes down for 1 or 2 games, Huard is the only logical choice to replace him.

If Green goes down for half a season or something drastic, Croyle should be playing.

There's no room on this team for Printers.

God, not this again :doh!:

Chiefnj
07-26-2006, 10:56 AM
Huard's won 5 NFL games in 6 starts. If Green goes down for 1 or 2 games, Huard is the only logical choice to replace him.

If Green goes down for half a season or something drastic, Croyle should be playing.

There's no room on this team for Printers.

If Huard has proven he can win 5 of 6 regular season games why would you want Croyle to play if Green went down for half the season?

jspchief
07-26-2006, 10:59 AM
If Huard is capable of winning 5 of 6, why has he been a third stringer ever since?

morphius
07-26-2006, 11:01 AM
Huard's won 5 NFL games in 6 starts. If Green goes down for 1 or 2 games, Huard is the only logical choice to replace him.

If Green goes down for half a season or something drastic, Croyle should be playing.

There's no room on this team for Printers.
Did he really "Win" those games or did he, just not lose them? There is a huge diff.

milkman
07-26-2006, 11:02 AM
If Huard is capable of winning 5 of 6, why has he been a third stringer ever since?

Because he's even more of a secret weapon than THE Secret Weapon.:shrug:

rad
07-26-2006, 11:14 AM
If Huard is capable of winning 5 of 6, why has he been a third stringer ever since?


Exactly.

Husky4506
07-26-2006, 11:14 AM
I say we keep 4. Printers look like he is an athlete. I would love to see the Chiefs put a few plays in where he is a wide out. Kind of like the Seahawks with Seneca Wallace

DeepSouth
07-26-2006, 11:24 AM
I say we keep 4. Printers look like he is an athlete. I would love to see the Chiefs put a few plays in where he is a wide out. Kind of like the Seahawks with Seneca Wallace
That won't happen unless Printers is the actual number two. The number three QB can't play unless the first two get hurt.

KCTitus
07-26-2006, 11:25 AM
That won't happen unless Printers is the actual number two. The number three QB can't play unless the first two get hurt.

Well, once #3 plays, #1 is barred from re-entering the game.

morphius
07-26-2006, 11:30 AM
I would actually be a little shocked if this isn't done very soon.

chiefqueen
07-26-2006, 11:32 AM
Well, once #3 plays, #1 is barred from re-entering the game.

That rule was change a few years back, in the fourth quarter of a BLOWOUT game the emergency qb may enter the game and be replaced by the #1 or #2 qb should he become injured.

KCTitus
07-26-2006, 11:39 AM
That rule was change a few years back, in the fourth quarter of a BLOWOUT game the emergency qb may enter the game and be replaced by the #1 or #2 qb should he become injured.

Does the NFL define 'blowout'? That's interesting and I hadnt heard the rule change. Ive never seen a team pull a #1 in favor of a #3 in a blowout, but then again, Ive never heard of the 'fair catch - free kick' on a kickoff play before last year either.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 11:47 AM
If Huard has proven he can win 5 of 6 regular season games why would you want Croyle to play if Green went down for half the season?

Because there's enough of a dropoff between him and Green that we likely won't be winning when it counts.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 11:47 AM
If Huard is capable of winning 5 of 6, why has he been a third stringer ever since?

He's only been a permanent 3rd-stringer in KC, and they hung onto Todd Collins for half a decade...

jspchief
07-26-2006, 11:56 AM
He's only been a permanent 3rd-stringer in KC, and they hung onto Todd Collins for half a decade...He was third string in NE too, behind Rohan Davey.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 11:59 AM
He was third string in NE too, behind Rohan Davey.

He's still a better 1-2 game stopgap than 2 rookies.

jspchief
07-26-2006, 12:02 PM
He's still a better 1-2 game stopgap than 2 rookies.We've had this discussion more than once.

In general, I agree. I still would take my chances with the rookies if we had to only carry 3 QBs.

But I'm confident we'll just carry all 4 of them. In fact, I think Carl or Herm said as much in their last presser.

RedThat
07-26-2006, 12:04 PM
I hope these reports from Espn are true. We need all the help we can get on the defensive line.

Even if he missed a day or 2 of training camp, it's not a big deal. But we need Tamba there. I hope the negiotiations don't lead till like halfway through training camp. You never want to see that happen, especially with rookies.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 12:06 PM
We've had this discussion more than once.

In general, I agree. I still would take my chances with the rookies if we had to only carry 3 QBs.

But I'm confident we'll just carry all 4 of them. In fact, I think Carl or Herm said as much in their last presser.

I just don't understand why we would waste a roster spot on Casey Printers. If he's good enough for the 53-man, we wasted a 3rd-round draft pick.

RedThat
07-26-2006, 12:11 PM
I just don't understand why we would waste a roster spot on Casey Printers. If he's good enough for the 53-man, we wasted a 3rd-round draft pick.

Well, this is football. Strange things can happen. You never know.

It is always best to give the guy a chance. See what happens. If he is better than Croyle, he is better than Croyle.

No complaints from me. Regardless, who cares. You still get a good player no matter where. Sorry, I just look at it from a different perspective than you. even if we wasted a 3rd rounder, I think of it this way, we gained from an undrafted FA. It balances out in the end.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Well, this is football. Strange things can happen. You never know.

It is always best to give the guy a chance. See what happens. If he is better than Croyle, he is better than Croyle.

No complaints from me. Regardless, who cares. You still get a good player no matter where. Sorry, I just look at it from a different perspective than you. even if we wasted a 3rd rounder, I think of it this way, we gained from an undrafted FA. It balances out in the end.

Sorry, but I've been a Chiefs fan for far too long.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of wrapping up roster spots with Jessie Haynes/Marc Boerigter/Ted White/Joe Hall.

Folk heroes are great for bedtime stories, they have no place on a football field.

RedThat
07-26-2006, 12:18 PM
Sorry, but I've been a Chiefs fan for far too long.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of wrapping up roster spots with Jessie Haynes/Marc Boerigter/Ted White/Joe Hall.

Folk heroes are great for bedtime stories, they have no place on a football field.

Think of it this way, there is nothing wrong with having soo many guys at one spot.

It creates competition. And that is always a good thing. some coaches will say, you can never have enough of those guys. I believe that because they're trying to bring out the best in players.

KCTitus
07-26-2006, 12:20 PM
Sorry, but I've been a Chiefs fan for far too long.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of wrapping up roster spots with Jessie Haynes/Marc Boerigter/Ted White/Joe Hall.

Folk heroes are great for bedtime stories, they have no place on a football field.

Boerighter is the only one that was on the roster, the others never made anything higher than PS.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 12:20 PM
Think of it this way, there is nothing wrong with having soo many guys at one spot.

It creates competition. And that is always a good thing. some coaches will say, you can never have enough of those guys. I believe that because they're trying to bring out the best in players.

There IS something wrong with keeping 4 QB's. Roster spots are far too precious to keep a 4th QB when it's impossible to use one on gameday.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 12:21 PM
Boerighter is the only one that was on the roster, the others never made anything higher than PS.

PS is exactly where Printers belongs.

Bowser
07-26-2006, 12:22 PM
Boerighter is the only one that was on the roster, the others never made anything higher than PS.

Didn't we sign Ted White to the roster to save him from another team trying to sign him off of our practice squad? Tampa, maybe?

Bowser
07-26-2006, 12:23 PM
PS is exactly where Printers belongs.

Printers is making 1 mil plus this year, iirc. He'll be one of our game day QB's.

KCTitus
07-26-2006, 12:23 PM
Didn't we sign Ted White to the roster to save him from another team trying to sign him off of our practice squad? Tampa, maybe?

Dunno...I really dont remember exactly.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 12:34 PM
Printers is making 1 mil plus this year, iirc. He'll be one of our game day QB's.

Yep. Which is why I have a problem.

Mr. Laz
07-26-2006, 12:38 PM
Yep. Which is why I have a problem.

have you ever seen Printers play?

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 12:40 PM
have you ever seen Printers play?

Nope.

And there's a good reason why I, and most other people, haven't seen him play.

go bowe
07-26-2006, 12:50 PM
Sorry, but I've been a Chiefs fan for far too long.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of wrapping up roster spots with Jessie Haynes/Marc Boerigter/Ted White/Joe Hall.

Folk heroes are great for bedtime stories, they have no place on a football field.hey, don't be so mean to my man bo...

he belonged on the field in his rookie season and they like him in green bay (i hope)...

besides, it's not nice to spank somebody after they're already gone... :( :( :(

go bowe
07-26-2006, 12:54 PM
Printers is making 1 mil plus this year, iirc. He'll be one of our game day QB's.a million bucks to be a 2/3/4th qb?

when he's never played a down in the nfl?

maybe i should change my name to go casey?

after all, i like folk heros... :D :D :D

tk13
07-26-2006, 01:08 PM
Yeah, I get the feeling Croyle's not going to be in on time. Which increases my desire to see Huard make the team. All this preseason talk sounds nice in theory, but if Croyle doesn't pick up on things quick enough and gets killed back there, I'd rather just see Huard in there taking that beating. Otherwise everyone will start calling Croyle a bust, just like they did LJ.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Yeah, I get the feeling Croyle's not going to be in on time. Which increases my desire to see Huard make the team. All this preseason talk sounds nice in theory, but if Croyle doesn't pick up on things quick enough and gets killed back there, I'd rather just see Huard in there taking that beating. Otherwise everyone will start calling Croyle a bust, just like they did LJ.

Just throw Jesus Printers in there... :D

Sully
07-26-2006, 01:18 PM
Yeah, I get the feeling Croyle's not going to be in on time. Which increases my desire to see Huard make the team. All this preseason talk sounds nice in theory, but if Croyle doesn't pick up on things quick enough and gets killed back there, I'd rather just see Huard in there taking that beating. Otherwise everyone will start calling Croyle a bust, just like they did LJ.

A 3rd round bust?

KCTitus
07-26-2006, 01:30 PM
A 3rd round bust?

Oh, yes...it's possible. Carl has even been known to draft 7th round Busts...Terdell Sands anyone?

Mecca
07-26-2006, 01:46 PM
Nope.

And there's a good reason why I, and most other people, haven't seen him play.

How about we watch Printers play in preseason before we decide he sucks......give the guy a fair shake.

SPchief
07-26-2006, 01:48 PM
How about we watch Printers play in preseason before we decide he sucks......give the guy a fair shake.

Are you new here?

Mecca
07-26-2006, 01:51 PM
Are you new here?

ROFL good point..........All I know is what I've seen of Damon Huard has been god awful so I think we should see what Printers has before declaring Huard has to make it over him.

Frazod
07-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Yeah, I get the feeling Croyle's not going to be in on time. Which increases my desire to see Huard make the team. All this preseason talk sounds nice in theory, but if Croyle doesn't pick up on things quick enough and gets killed back there, I'd rather just see Huard in there taking that beating. Otherwise everyone will start calling Croyle a bust, just like they did LJ.

So would that make Croyle throw angry? :D

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 01:55 PM
How about we watch Printers play in preseason before we decide he sucks......give the guy a fair shake.

I have absolutely no problem giving a CFL guy a shot, when we have a need.

We have a backup QB that we're GOING TO KEEP no matter what, and we just spent a 3rd-rounder on a QB.

We don't need Printers.

Chiefnj
07-26-2006, 02:01 PM
I have absolutely no problem giving a CFL guy a shot, when we have a need.

We have a backup QB that we're GOING TO KEEP no matter what, and we just spent a 3rd-rounder on a QB.

We don't need Printers.

KC might need him when Croyle's frail frame gets him injured and placed on the PUP in preseason.

Mecca
07-26-2006, 02:06 PM
KC might need him when Croyle's frail frame gets him injured and placed on the PUP in preseason.

All I know is everything I've seen of Damon Huard hasn't been very impressive. Then add in that Brodie Croyle is well made of glass and needs to gain weight before he should ever be on the field.

I remember before the draft reading numerous upon numerous things about how Croyle would probably never be more than a backup due to injury history and the fact that he showed talent but was never really all that productive in college.

In many ways when I look at Brodie Croyle.......I see Rob Johnson, I hope he's not that but that's what alot of his physical tools point to.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 02:53 PM
KC might need him when Croyle's frail frame gets him injured and placed on the PUP in preseason.

Croyle isn't frail. His injuries aren't related to each other or to his body makeup. They're related to him playing behind a horrid offensive line.

See, I've seen Croyle play alot of football because he was good enough to play for a D1 SEC school...

Mecca
07-26-2006, 03:07 PM
Croyle isn't frail. His injuries aren't related to each other or to his body makeup. They're related to him playing behind a horrid offensive line.

See, I've seen Croyle play alot of football because he was good enough to play for a D1 SEC school...

You can't tell me Croyle isn't frail....look at his frame. Everyone knows the guy needs to gain weight.

Croyle is a really good young man who has battled through a litany of major injuries to become a very good college player. Some of his injuries at Alabama were: 1. He missed his senior season of high school with a torn left ACL injury; 2. He separated his shoulder during the 2004 season; and 3. He tore his right ACL in 2004. Croyle was a frustrating player to evaluate, because he no doubt has the physical tools to play in the NFL, but his injury history, thin frame and struggles to convert in key situations really limit his chance to become a starting quarterback in the NFL. Teams will notice that he was prepared for every game, which enabled him to consistently make good decisions and not make big errors. Overall, Croyle is a player you have to be careful not to over-draft because of his injury history, but he would be a very good second-day draft pick. He is best suited to go to a team with an established starter and backup so that he can spend a season or two building up his body (Adding 15 to 20 pounds of muscle and not being injured for two seasons would help him a ton) while adjusting to the NFL. In the end, Croyle will end up being a very good backup quarterback who can do a solid job when he spot starts, but will struggle to become a good all-around starting QB due to injury history and struggles to consistently convert key downs into first downs.


Croyle is a very smart quarterback, who has consistently shown the ability to make good decisions and does not make the big error to hurt his team. He can set his feet, stride into the throw and get rid of the ball very quickly when he is throwing the ball aggressively. While he lacks a cannon for an arm, he has a good enough arm to make all the throws with good accuracy, when he strides into throws with a good bend. He consistently identifies the defense well before the snap, and does a very good job of going through his reads to consistently find the open receiver.


Obviously, Croyle's injury history is a major issue, because he has been hurt so often that observers doubt he will be able to stay healthy in the NFL. He lacks the foot quickness to consistently avoid pressure in the pocket, and ends up taking a lot of very hard hits -- while he can read the blitz well, his lack of foot quickness hinders his ability to consistently make good plays under pressure. When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip. In key situations, Croyle has not consistently been able to put the offense on his back and make the key throw to convert the play into a first down.


Croyle is a limited athlete, which hinders his ability to create something when the play breaks down. He lacks the foot quickness to avoid the sack and buy a second chance, and does not have the quickness and agility to move quickly in the pocket to avoid rushers consistently. When he is forced from the pocket and has to scramble, he lacks the playing speed to run for the first down. He has good knee bend and flexibility, and when he is focused and using good technique, he can throw with a good base and a bent front leg. Despite not being a good athlete, he is definitely coordinated and rarely gets out of control when moving around in the pocket and when throwing on the move.


Croyle is without question a very tough kid, and he has consistently fought through a ton of pain to continue his playing career at Alabama. At times, Croyle has shown an ability to step up and make the clutch throw in key situations, but in the games graded, he struggled to consistently convert in key situations -- he converted only 44 percent of the important downs in games graded. His overall production has been very consistent during his career when he has been healthy enough to play up to his ability. Despite having a slight wind-up delivery, Croyle has consistently shown the ability to get rid of the ball quickly, and can make most of the throws with accuracy. He is very good at making decisions, and not making the big error -- he consistently finds the open receiver when he has time to throw and is very willing to throw the ball away to avoid the sack. There is no doubt that he is a team player who never quits, because nearly any other college player that was hurt as much as Croyle would have probably quit playing football.


Croyle is a very smart young man who clearly identifies the defense well prior to the snap, has learned the importance of throwing the ball away, and will not force passes. He has very good instincts in terms of looking down the field and having a knack for finding an open receiver, but he is not as instinctive feeling pressure, which leads to him taking a lot of hard hits and punishment -- this is a big part of the reason he is going to struggle to stay healthy if he becomes a starter in the NFL. Most of the time, Croyle stays focused and uses good technique striding into and throwing the ball, but occasionally, when he has to really get zip on throws, he loses focus on technique and throws with a straight front leg.


Despite measuring OK at nearly 6-3 and over 200 pounds, Croyle has a bad body type -- he is very thin for a quarterback (Both in arms and legs). Croyle is going to really struggle to stay healthy in the NFL for a variety of reasons -- he has suffered a lot of injuries at Alabama, is very thin for a quarterback, and takes a lot of violent hits because he does not feel pressure well. He is not an explosive player when it comes to pulling the ball down and trying to scramble for big yards, but the ball does show some burst zipping out of his hand. He lacks the playing strength to hold up physically in the NFL, and will not be able to make accurate throws in the NFL once defenders get a hand on him and are trying to pull him down.

Chiefnj
07-26-2006, 03:07 PM
mecca beat me to it with NFL.COM's analysis and mention of his frame and injury history.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 03:21 PM
thin <> frail

Mecca
07-26-2006, 03:29 PM
thin <> frail

You also said he got hurt because of having a bad line........that report says he gets injured because has no feel for pressure, that's a big difference.

58-4ever
07-26-2006, 03:38 PM
You also said he got hurt because of having a bad line........that report says he gets injured because has no feel for pressure, that's a big difference.

If you've seen highlights, you would know that he had NO protection. He went through 3 offensive systems and still had amazing accuracy. He is a little on the thin side, but he is tough as nails. And comparing him to Rob Johnson is just stupid. He is far more accurate and has a much better arm.

htismaqe
07-26-2006, 03:40 PM
You also said he got hurt because of having a bad line........that report says he gets injured because has no feel for pressure, that's a big difference.

I watched Croyle play for his entire career at Bama. He went through 3 different coaches, with 3 different offensive systems and his line SUCKED.

He does need to work on several things, but to blame his problems 100% on him means you haven't seen him play.

Mecca
07-26-2006, 03:46 PM
If you've seen highlights, you would know that he had NO protection. He went through 3 offensive systems and still had amazing accuracy. He is a little on the thin side, but he is tough as nails. And comparing him to Rob Johnson is just stupid. He is far more accurate and has a much better arm.

You do realize Rob Johnson had a cannon right....I don't think Croyles arm is better and Johnson was fairly accurate. Johnsons problem was he was a sack machine that held the ball to long and always got injured.....something that Brodie Croyle could end up being exactly like.

Yes his line was bad but he needs to gain weight and learn how to feel pressure or well.....he might just be our very own Rob Johnson.