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Rain Man
07-26-2006, 02:50 PM
What would it take for you to start up a rebellion group? What events would have to happen for you to think that you should risk your life to change how America is governed? Please be as specific as possible; I don't want to hear, "Some crazy despot is elected president." I want to hear, "The President disbands Congress at gunpoint" or "The President orders an invasion of Canada" or "The president has made it illegal for me to own slaves" or "The government is killing everyone who wears glasses and is sending the rest to the countryside" or some such thing.

Bootlegged
07-26-2006, 02:53 PM
Gov't bans NFL Sunday Ticket.

Nzoner
07-26-2006, 02:57 PM
Smoking is banned in my own home,yes,I'm stockpiling weapons now.

crispystl420
07-26-2006, 03:00 PM
Smoking is banned in my own home,yes,I'm stockpiling weapons now.

Whem Marijuana is made illegal....oh wait

Mr. Kotter
07-26-2006, 03:02 PM
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :D

58-4ever
07-26-2006, 03:07 PM
If they ever invade my compound where everyone thinks I am Jesus. I have a pretty sweet deal. I get to have sex with mothers AND their daughters. I swear to God...errr my father that they will have to burn this place down with all of us in it before I surrender! :harumph:

StcChief
07-26-2006, 03:12 PM
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :D

that would be an issue to get the masses up in arms.

BigRedChief
07-26-2006, 03:17 PM
to the bots and spiders of NSA/DHS Yes, I do post of this site but have nothing but love for my country and would never do anything but sing its praises...........now don't sick the IRS on me.

Raiderhader
07-26-2006, 03:28 PM
Describe a scenario where you would take up arms against the U.S. government.


If they try and take my arms away from me.

ChiefFan31
07-26-2006, 03:35 PM
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :D

No kidding. Makes it worse when imports can come over here at what the age of 45-50 and then be eligible for SS and be a big part of drying it up.

R&GHomer
07-26-2006, 03:40 PM
I'm not a part of this Mr DOHLD agent. Rain Man is the evil instigator in this one.

The Dude Abides
07-26-2006, 03:45 PM
I would right now. I had a felony 13 years ago when i was 18, no trouble before or since, and now illegal immigrants are treated better and with more rights. I cant even get a decent job until my record is expunged, which is in the process. So, yes, I would rise up in arms right now! Just give me a chance!

jidar
07-26-2006, 03:50 PM
I would right now. I had a felony 13 years ago when i was 18, no trouble before or since, and now illegal immigrants are treated better and with more rights. I cant even get a decent job until my record is expunged, which is in the process. So, yes, I would rise up in arms right now! Just give me a chance!


sounds like they need to lock your ass up

burt
07-26-2006, 03:51 PM
uh, if I were in the Taliban???? An unrealistic scenario....they don't recruit fat, bald, American dudes....

stevieray
07-26-2006, 03:51 PM
If and when we become the United States of Mexico.

Rain Man
07-26-2006, 03:53 PM
Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

Adept Havelock
07-26-2006, 03:54 PM
This is a pretty good description of such a scenario, written over 75 years ago. Haven't read it in 15 years or more, but it held up pretty well over the years, IIRC.

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0451529294/sr=8-1/qid=1153950776/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1721350-2243806?ie=UTF8">It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis</a>

If Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, and carrying the cross. -Sinclair Lewis

Logical
07-26-2006, 04:01 PM
One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 04:03 PM
Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

Or even have the most basic right to simply be able to protect your family.

Rain Man
07-26-2006, 04:09 PM
One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

Now that's a good one.

Interestingly, though, if he did that, the Constitution would still say that the new president is president, right? So I would think that the armed forces would be legally obligated to help the new president throw him out of the White House. In that case, there would have to be a precursor where the current president tried to pass some sort of law to pre-empt presidential elections "in an emergency" or something. And then he'd have to invoke it. Am I right? Or am I just rambling?

The Dude Abides
07-26-2006, 04:10 PM
Its good to know some people understand the difficulties of having a felony, even if its over a decade old. If any one knows of a job opportunity in or around Wichita, I would be grateful, and even rethink my stance on the armed uprising!

Chiefs Minor Satellite
07-26-2006, 04:12 PM
One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?

Raiderhader
07-26-2006, 04:15 PM
If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?


He's been hanging around Denise too long.

burt
07-26-2006, 04:25 PM
Now that's a good one.

Interestingly, though, if he did that, the Constitution would still say that the new president is president, right? So I would think that the armed forces would be legally obligated to help the new president throw him out of the White House. In that case, there would have to be a precursor where the current president tried to pass some sort of law to pre-empt presidential elections "in an emergency" or something. And then he'd have to invoke it. Am I right? Or am I just rambling?


you're rambling......

Chiefs Minor Satellite
07-26-2006, 04:32 PM
He's been hanging around Denise too long.

ROFL

Cochise
07-26-2006, 04:33 PM
If there's ever a day when there are threads about "Ass Pennies". er-

Rain Man
07-26-2006, 04:34 PM
you're rambling......

Oh. Sorry. I tend to do that on Constitutional Law issues.

burt
07-26-2006, 04:41 PM
Oh. Sorry. I tend to do that on Constitutional Law issues.

I sugggest that you use the "Adept Havelock" method. Ramble in really big words....no one will know that you are rambling.... ROFL ROFL

SNR
07-26-2006, 04:51 PM
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :DWoah... Shay's Rebellion II

The Dude Abides
07-26-2006, 04:56 PM
Woah... Shay's Rebellion II
Nice historical reference!

penchief
07-26-2006, 05:04 PM
When they kick down my front door.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 05:08 PM
When they kick down my front door.

ROFL I think it's a little late when that happens.

burt
07-26-2006, 05:10 PM
Woah... Shay's Rebellion II

They named a stadium after a rebellion?????? :shrug: :shrug:

penchief
07-26-2006, 05:12 PM
ROFL I think it's a little late when that happens.

I hear ya. That's why I'm so mouthy now. I'm hoping the tide of public opinion will turn sharply before we get to that point. But make no mistake about the fact that they're coming.

Hog Rider
07-26-2006, 05:13 PM
If they try and take my arms away from me.

'tis but a flesh wound, come here you coward!

penchief
07-26-2006, 05:32 PM
ROFL I think it's a little late when that happens.

Actually, it was a reference to the Clash's "Guns of Brixton."


"When they kick at your front door, how you gonna come?"

"With your hands on your head or the trigger of your gun?"

"When the law breaks in, how you gonna go?"

"Shot down on the pavement or waiting on death row?"

WilliamTheIrish
07-26-2006, 05:34 PM
I would right now. I had a felony 13 years ago when i was 18, no trouble before or since, and now illegal immigrants are treated better and with more rights. I cant even get a decent job until my record is expunged, which is in the process. So, yes, I would rise up in arms right now! Just give me a chance!

Great f'ing screen name. ROFL

WilliamTheIrish
07-26-2006, 05:36 PM
Its good to know some people understand the difficulties of having a felony, even if its over a decade old. If any one knows of a job opportunity in or around Wichita, I would be grateful, and even rethink my stance on the armed uprising!

Are you crazy? I don't want you in my work place. :)

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 05:41 PM
I would right now. I had a felony 13 years ago when i was 18, no trouble before or since, and now illegal immigrants are treated better and with more rights. I cant even get a decent job until my record is expunged, which is in the process. So, yes, I would rise up in arms right now! Just give me a chance!

Scarlet letter legislation bro. Sales is the best way to go. Someone will always hire a good one. When you have enough money run your own business do it. I used to hire ex-felons all the time in health clubs. Many of them turned out to be excellent long term upper management types. I never really had to worry about them being hired away.

The Dude Abides
07-26-2006, 06:01 PM
Are you crazy? I don't want you in my work place. :)
Thats ok, I dont like to be in the proximity of closed minded tards

WilliamTheIrish
07-26-2006, 06:03 PM
Thats ok, I dont like to be in the proximity of closed minded tards

Use the sarcasm, Luke.

The Dude Abides
07-26-2006, 06:11 PM
Use the sarcasm, Luke.
I try, sometimes its broken. How about smilies? :Peace:

WilliamTheIrish
07-26-2006, 06:20 PM
I try, sometimes its broken. How about smilies? :Peace:

Where did that screen name come from?

Have you used it elsewhere?

Adept Havelock
07-26-2006, 06:25 PM
They named a stadium after a rebellion?????? :shrug: :shrug:

ROFL

No, they named that stadium for the Chiefs QB coach.


Lord I was born a (overly verbose) rambling man, trying to make a living and doing the best I can... :p

Logical
07-26-2006, 06:37 PM
If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?Uh well it was an example and last I checked Clinton is no longer in office so it would not work using him.

Chiefs Minor Satellite
07-26-2006, 06:56 PM
Uh well it was an example and last I checked Clinton is no longer in office so it would not work using him.

Uh, well, let's see if I can explain this so you understand.

Clinton, two terms, lame duck.

Bush, two terms, lame duck.

Take chill pill and realize that your comment about Bush is just as off the wall as was mine about Clinton.

For having Logical for a name you sure don't seem to be.

burt
07-26-2006, 07:04 PM
ROFL

No, they named that stadium for the Chiefs QB coach.


Lord I was born a (overly verbose) rambling man, trying to make a living and doing the best I can... :p


ROFL you do bring a ray of light to the world!!!!! In an overly verbose way.......

burt
07-26-2006, 07:11 PM
Use the sarcasm, Luke.

some of us have instances where our sarcasm buttons get stuck on off. Kinda like when we are defending our fan club..... :)

Logical
07-26-2006, 07:28 PM
Uh, well, let's see if I can explain this so you understand.

Clinton, two terms, lame duck.

Bush, two terms, lame duck.

Take chill pill and realize that your comment about Bush is just as off the wall as was mine about Clinton.

For having Logical for a name you sure don't seem to be.At least mine had the advantage of having a relevant President capable of making my example happen in the near future. Your example had zero relevance at all.

Chiefs Minor Satellite
07-26-2006, 07:31 PM
At least mine had the advantage of having a relevant President capable of making my example happen in the near future. Your example had zero relevance at all.

That is your opinion, my opinion differs.

Logical
07-26-2006, 07:40 PM
That is your opinion, my opinion differs.Well your opinion does have the advantage of being completely irrelevant.

Chiefs Minor Satellite
07-26-2006, 07:56 PM
Well you are completely irrelevant.

The Red Sea
07-26-2006, 08:05 PM
When the Gov. fills each home with security cameras because...masterbating is now illegal.
& to add insult to injury..what do you think the guy watching the home cams is doing??
& to top even all that off its now legal for two Brownie Hunters to get married in a church!

I've had enough!!

=P

big nasty kcnut
07-26-2006, 08:19 PM
When they try to dismantle freedom where it illeagal to be free.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-26-2006, 08:40 PM
Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

I'll bite on this one, if you committ 5 murders you can get off scotfree, if you mess with the banking industry it's nuthooks or cement shoes your choice.

HemiEd
07-26-2006, 08:46 PM
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :D

I am pretty sure this is going to happen, and maybe to me.


I am getting pretty sick of the inflation that does not exist. $3.50 gas is going to piss me clear off. But arms? Probably never, ever.

ChiefaRoo
07-26-2006, 08:48 PM
If the President or Congress suspended our constitutional rights. I like to think that our professional military would NOT take up arms against the American population. I don't think our military is full of robots but rather is led by an officer core that would protect the people and the constitution.

The Dude Abides
07-26-2006, 09:34 PM
Where did that screen name come from?

Have you used it elsewhere?
The Big Lebowski, one of my fav movies. The Dude is awesome, man. But no, never used it previously

Mr. Kotter
07-27-2006, 12:18 AM
Woah... Shay's Rebellion II

Fuggin', Hey....right. No doubt about it. :thumb:

:)

Mr. Kotter
07-27-2006, 12:21 AM
I am pretty sure this is going to happen, and maybe to me.


I am getting pretty sick of the inflation that does not exist. $3.50 gas is going to piss me clear off. But arms? Probably never, ever.

Generation-X may bend over and "take it."

Baby Boomers, old and young...will take up arms over that.

God pity them dem "bureaucrats" :shake:

Halfcan
07-27-2006, 12:26 AM
If the Gov cancled the upcoming football season or banned beer.

DaneMcCloud
07-27-2006, 12:39 AM
They named a stadium after a rebellion?????? :shrug: :shrug:

It's Shea stadium, named after Bill Shea. He was upset that the Dodgers and Giants left New York and threatened to start a rival baseball league if MLB didn't replace their moves with a new NL team. MLB finally agreed and put the Mets in Queens. He later helped to bring the Jets to Queens and the Islanders to the NHL. When offered 20% ownership of of the Mets, he declined, considering it his civic duty.

Demonpenz
07-27-2006, 12:41 AM
If they plowed over my house to make a new superstore i would think about it

kcfanintitanhell
07-27-2006, 12:53 AM
Its good to know some people understand the difficulties of having a felony, even if its over a decade old. If any one knows of a job opportunity in or around Wichita, I would be grateful, and even rethink my stance on the armed uprising!

I share (and feel) your pain. I too have a felony (non-violent-drug-related), and it has been 23 years since the conviction, and 24 since my incarceration ended, and that damn thing still rears its ugly head in my rear view mirror. I have not even had a parking ticket since then, and I'm still jumping through hoops to try and get that thing expunged.
Being that it happened in South Dakota and I live in east Tennessee makes it harder also.

jjjayb
07-27-2006, 06:37 AM
If Meme were ever to become president. :bang:

Chiefs Minor Satellite
07-27-2006, 06:51 AM
If Meme were ever to become president. :bang:


Now that is one circumstance I can agree with.

The Big Lebowski
07-27-2006, 06:56 AM
The whole idea of being ID'd via implanted microchip might make me nervous. Mandatory military service would be another.

DaKCMan AP
07-27-2006, 07:11 AM
I'm a lover, not a fighter. :D

Walter
07-27-2006, 07:12 AM
The whole idea of being ID'd via implanted microchip might make me nervous. Mandatory military service would be another.

I did NOT know that.

BucEyedPea
07-27-2006, 07:22 AM
If they banned due to some enforced sanctions, French bottled water such as Volvic and Evian. :p

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 08:08 AM
Scarlet letter legislation bro. Sales is the best way to go. Someone will always hire a good one. When you have enough money run your own business do it. I used to hire ex-felons all the time in health clubs. Many of them turned out to be excellent long term upper management types. I never really had to worry about them being hired away.

ROFL Way to turn a negative into a positive there.

Perhaps TheDudeAbides should note something like this on my resume. "I'm an ex-felon so no one will hire me. This means that I would be your most loyal employee."

Always a Chief fan
07-27-2006, 08:37 AM
When the corporate robber barons and the prostitutes on their payroll (politicians/judiciary) try to use emenent domain to take my home to build condominiums or walmart supercenters.

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 08:53 AM
I dont know if this was covered, how does an illegal immigrant have more rights than a felon...

Illegals dont have any rights, just because someone breaks the law by giving him a job doesnt mean he has more rights...

Shite, I have been a legal immigrant for 21 years and I still cant vote...

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 09:00 AM
Are you a green card guy, carlos? And if you don't mind sharing, do you plan to pursue citizenship at some point?

htismaqe
07-27-2006, 09:04 AM
If it involves my wife or kids, I'd kill for them.

Logical
07-27-2006, 09:12 AM
If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator." :D

I cannot believe you are serious, there is no way my generation or yours will get back what you put into SS.

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 09:14 AM
I cannot believe you are serious, there is no way my generation or yours will get back what you put into SS.

I'm not sure how old each of you are, but I think anyone in their late 40s will do okay. I'm 43, and I hear that I'm going to be one of the first to get mildly screwed over, and then the people younger than me will get worked over pretty good.

htismaqe
07-27-2006, 09:16 AM
I'm not sure how old each of you are, but I think anyone in their late 40s will do okay. I'm 43, and I hear that I'm going to be one of the first to get mildly screwed over, and then the people younger than me will get worked over pretty good.

I'm 32. It's more likely that I'll see NONE of what I've paid in...

HemiEd
07-27-2006, 09:23 AM
Generation-X may bend over and "take it."

Baby Boomers, old and young...will take up arms over that.

God pity them dem "bureaucrats" :shake:

Do you mean literally "take up arms?" I could see a nasty political confrontation but arms may be a little out of reason. I could not see intellegent people confronting our Army with a six shooter or deer rifle.

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 09:23 AM
Are you a green card guy, carlos? And if you don't mind sharing, do you plan to pursue citizenship at some point?

I am, (its actually Pink)

I married a US Citizen (4 years ago), and my child (2 years old) is a US Citizen as well...

I almost recieved my citizenship about 2 years ago, but I missed my appointment date ( I was out of the country - back home in Argentina) and I never re - scheduled.

Now, I am not so sure I want to become one, just because of the fear there might be a draft in the near future (I am only 24 and out of college) and I would have to go to war because of a loan I signed for to finish College.

I would be taking my family to Argentina at that point.

I was going to be drafted in Argentina, but then they made it voluntary instead of obligatory. My Dad, my uncles were all drafted by the military during the dictatorship times (Dirty War), when the police and military were corrupt... Those were scary times...

chagrin
07-27-2006, 09:39 AM
So, you don't mind taking the benefits of this nation, and will gladly take whatever you can from it, including our tax dollars, but will head for the hills if you ever have to do something for America, is that correct?

chagrin
07-27-2006, 09:41 AM
I'm sorry if that seems like I am being a jerk, but the way you wrote it, I don't really know how else to take the tone.

Please don't buy into the libby's scare tactics regarding a draft, you aren't going anywhere unless you join the military, then you should expect to go somewhere and stand fast.

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 09:55 AM
I'm 32. It's more likely that I'll see NONE of what I've paid in...

Yeah. I figure that they'll just keep upping the age requirement. My parents can get SS as early as 62, but I think my eligibility age is 70. Yours will probably end up being 80 unless we can convince Donger to have about 50 million more children.

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 09:59 AM
I am, (its actually Pink)

I married a US Citizen (4 years ago), and my child (2 years old) is a US Citizen as well...

I almost recieved my citizenship about 2 years ago, but I missed my appointment date ( I was out of the country - back home in Argentina) and I never re - scheduled.

Now, I am not so sure I want to become one, just because of the fear there might be a draft in the near future (I am only 24 and out of college) and I would have to go to war because of a loan I signed for to finish College.

I would be taking my family to Argentina at that point.

I was going to be drafted in Argentina, but then they made it voluntary instead of obligatory. My Dad, my uncles were all drafted by the military during the dictatorship times (Dirty War), when the police and military were corrupt... Those were scary times...

I doubt that there'll be a draft anytime soon unless we get into a tussle with Iran, and I doubt that'll happen.

An acquaintance of mine in grad school was Argentinian, and he got drafted for the Falklands War. He wasn't looking forward to fighting the British, but he ended up guarding some mountain outpost near Chile, so he never saw any action. I always wondered if that was dumb luck, or if his family knew enough people for him to do a Bush or Clinton.

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:09 AM
So, you don't mind taking the benefits of this nation, and will gladly take whatever you can from it, including our tax dollars, but will head for the hills if you ever have to do something for America, is that correct?

Nah, thats not how I see it,

I was not born in the US, this is really not my country,

Do i benefit from school, work and such, but I pay taxes too... I cant vote, I get harrased at airports pre 9/11 and after... whatever

If I had to do something for America I would do it, I am American, (South), but if the US wants to go to war vs Syria/Iran/ Russia/N Korea and China...

I will go back home and stay Neutral...

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:11 AM
I doubt that there'll be a draft anytime soon unless we get into a tussle with Iran, and I doubt that'll happen.

An acquaintance of mine in grad school was Argentinian, and he got drafted for the Falklands War. He wasn't looking forward to fighting the British, but he ended up guarding some mountain outpost near Chile, so he never saw any action. I always wondered if that was dumb luck, or if his family knew enough people for him to do a Bush or Clinton.

I was born during the Falkland war, that was the most stupid war ever fought... f the Monroe Doctrine... The US helped the British on this one...

I think that is why we stay neutral....

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 10:12 AM
Heh. I never thought about that vis a vis the Monroe Doctrine.

Donger
07-27-2006, 10:13 AM
I cant vote

If you missed your naturalization and haven't bothered to re-schedule it, perhaps you have no reasonable foundation from which to complain about not being able to vote.

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:15 AM
If you missed your naturalization and haven't bothered to re-schedule it, perhaps you have no reasonable foundation from which to complain about not being able to vote.

I am not complaining, I was just stating a fact...

ChiefaRoo
07-27-2006, 10:17 AM
I was born during the Falkland war, that was the most stupid war ever fought... f the Monroe Doctrine... The US helped the British on this one...

I think that is why we stay neutral....


Of course the US helped the UK during the Falklands war. You say that like it's a surprise. The UK is our closest ally and they most likely always will be.

The Monroe doctrine had nothing to do with this war. In addition the Monroe doctrine is an outdated philosophy that is not used today.

Donger
07-27-2006, 10:19 AM
I am not complaining, I was just stating a fact...

You weren't complaining when you said this?

"Shite, I have been a legal immigrant for 21 years and I still cant vote..."

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:23 AM
Of course the US helped the UK during the Falklands war. You say that like it's a surprise. The UK is our closest ally and they most likely always will be.

The Monroe doctrine had nothing to do with this war. In addition the Monroe doctrine is an outdated philosophy that is not used today.

Its no surprise... I wasnt complaining, do I hate the US for helping the UK no, this was a stupid war to begin with that led to democracy and the downfall of our military dictatorship....

Now, a little history lesson,

back in the 1800's, the falkland islands (malvinas) were property of Spain, when Argentina declared their Independance in and around 1816-1820, they became property of Argentina,

For some f'ed up reason back in the 1820's, the US declared the Islands free and the UK took them away....

The US declared them free of Argentine rule because the Argentina gov had captured and jailed 3 US Citizen fisherman on the island.

Am I mad, no, but thats f'ed up...

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:25 AM
You weren't complaining when you said this?

"Shite, I have been a legal immigrant for 21 years and I still cant vote..."

Meaning that a Felon had the same right as a Legal and/or illegal on the voting issue, I was trying to make a point.

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:26 AM
Everyone thinks I am complaing, maybe my grammer etiquette and spelling for that matter on posts needs work...

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 10:26 AM
And I Hi jacked Rain Mans thread... sorry

Mr. Laz
07-27-2006, 10:30 AM
Describe a scenario where you would take up arms against the U.S. government..


a 3rd term for George W ... :shrug:

ChiefaRoo
07-27-2006, 10:31 AM
In that time frame the UK and US were still colonial powers. I agree It's f***ed up by todays standards because it would violate various laws but back then if your country was militarily stronger than many times they took the lands of less powerful countries and called it a day. Not fair but much of history is like that.

Rain Man
07-27-2006, 10:34 AM
And I Hi jacked Rain Mans thread... sorry

The Rain Manroe Doctrine specifically prohibits the intervention of non-American posters in this part of the BB.

MahiMike
07-27-2006, 11:09 AM
"Some crazy despot is elected president."

Good thing no crazies have read this post yet. We'd be referring to Trick Cheney as 'pres'...

carlos3652
07-27-2006, 11:32 AM
The Rain Manroe Doctrine specifically prohibits the intervention of non-American posters in this part of the BB.

Good thing I am American... :)

The Dude Abides
07-27-2006, 01:17 PM
Hey Mr.Argentine man, what happens if you get caught with a firearm? slap on the wrist, at most. Me, I get 5 years. Even for just holding it. Illegal border jumper gets off scott free, even though they break the law just by being here. Path toward citizenship, welfare, and you ask how they have more rights than an ex felon? Get a clue or go back :hmmm:

djrcmay
07-27-2006, 03:20 PM
If they prohibited FAST FOOD!

Logical
07-27-2006, 09:17 PM
Nah, thats not how I see it,

I was not born in the US, this is really not my country,

Do i benefit from school, work and such, but I pay taxes too... I cant vote, I get harrased at airports pre 9/11 and after... whatever

If I had to do something for America I would do it, I am American, (South), but if the US wants to go to war vs Syria/Iran/ Russia/N Korea and China...

I will go back home and stay Neutral...

Not sure I blame you, fighting in Iraq is about as wasteful as it gets post overthrow of Saddam. The US seems to not know where it should limit itself. But I would hope that if the US were attacked you would be willing to fight.

NJ Chief Fan
07-27-2006, 09:19 PM
shit id do it for no reason

MOTHER F?CK GEORGE BUSH I LIKE MY PRESIDENTS DEAD

Pitt Gorilla
07-27-2006, 10:31 PM
I haven't read the thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned; if they take away porn, there will be revolution!!!