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BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 04:12 PM
Out of this whole steroid/MLB mess he is one of the very few I have respect for at this point. Tell the Grand Jury to go **** themselves Greg.

http://sports.iwon.com/news/07262006/v3995.html?PG=home&SEC=news

Bonds' Trainer Set to Appear Before Grand Jury, But Not Expected to Talk
Jul 26, 3:36 PM (ET) Email this Story

By PAUL ELIAS and DAVID KRAVETS
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Lawyers for Barry Bonds' personal trainer say he'd rather go back to prison for a third time than take part in the grand jury investigation of his childhood friend for tax evasion and perjury.

Fresh off a 15-day jail term for refusing to cooperate in an earlier phase of the probe, Greg Anderson is expected to be called Thursday before a new grand jury investigating the San Francisco Giants slugger. But the trainer is expected to renew his vow of silence.

"He's resigned to do whatever it takes to maintain his integrity," said Paula Canny, an attorney and close friend of Anderson.

Anderson was released from prison last week on the same day prosecutors announced a grand jury investigating Bonds had expired without issuing an indictment. The new grand jury quickly was assembled, and Anderson received what was believed to be the first subpoena - ordering him to appear before the panel on Thursday.

If he again refuses to testify, he'll be hauled in front of a federal judge who will demand to know why he should be excused from testifying to a grand jury, a requirement even the president of the United States has to honor.


Since Anderson's legal arguments remain largely the same, the judge likely will send the trainer back to prison. It would be his third trip to a federal lockup in less than a year; Anderson served three months after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering stemming from the government's investigation of the Bay Area lab that allegedly supplied Bonds and other elite athletes with performance-enhancing drugs.

Authorities are investigating whether Bonds lied under oath when he told an earlier grand jury he didn't know whether the substances given to him by Anderson were steroids. The probe also reportedly is focused on whether Bonds paid taxes on the sale of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sports memorabilia.

Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, says his client is guilty of nothing more than being famous.

"They're harassing Greg Anderson to get to Barry," Rains said.

Some legal experts see Anderson as the key to proving the perjury allegations, since Bonds reportedly testified the trainer gave him two substances that fit the description of "the cream" and "the clear" - two performance-enhancing drugs linked to the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.

In 2003, Bonds reportedly testified to the grand jury investigating BALCO that he believed the substances were flaxseed oil and arthritis balm, not steroids.

Anderson also could offer insight into the doping calendars bearing Bonds' name that were seized when federal agents raided Anderson's house, according to court papers connected to the steroids probe.

But Anderson's lawyers say he shouldn't have to testify because of the numerous leaks of secret grand jury testimony to the San Francisco Chronicle over the course of the four-year investigation. Chronicle reporters Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada have written a book based largely on leaked testimony.

"The gross, callous and destructive breaches of grand jury secrecy in this case create ample just cause for Mr. Anderson's refusal to testify," said one of Anderson's attorneys, Mark Geragos.

His lawyers also say the agreement he made with prosecutors to plead guilty last year in the BALCO case stipulated he wouldn't have to cooperate in the investigation.

"The government is violating the terms of the plea bargain," Canny said.

Anderson also claims he should not have to testify because he was the target of an illegal wiretap.

The new grand jury ordering Anderson's testimony can stay in session for as long as 18 months. By law, an intransigent Anderson can be locked up for the grand jury's full term, though a judge can free him sooner if convinced Anderson never will talk.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 04:59 PM
Come on guys I mean you may not agree with how he got here but he sure has handled it better than the rest of these clowns.

hawkchief
07-26-2006, 05:35 PM
Come on guys I mean you may not agree with how he got here but he sure has handled it better than the rest of these clowns.

Not sure how you consider keeping mum so Bonds can skate, hiding the truth and fuc&ing with our legal system is a way of "handling it well". Let's see how long he lasts in jail when the big boys start ripping him a new one nightly. I suspect Bonds has promised him a boatload of $$ when he gets out, to be a prison biotch for a couple of years.

burt
07-26-2006, 05:37 PM
Come on guys I mean you may not agree with how he got here but he sure has handled it better than the rest of these clowns.

He just learned from Clinton's "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is...."

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 05:43 PM
Not sure how you consider keeping mum so Bonds can skate, hiding the truth and fuc&ing with our legal system is a way of "handling it well". Let's see how long he lasts in jail when the big boys start ripping him a new one nightly. I suspect Bonds has promised him a boatload of $$ when he gets out, to be a prison biotch for a couple of years.

1. The government shouldn't even be involved in sports period. For some reason we are growing used to a HUGE government that wants to micrmanage the entire population.

2. We are already raising a country full of snitches. If snitching is ****ing up the legal system then so be it. Besides this guy has no reason to believe anything coming from the grand jury as they have done nothing but lie to the guy right from the start.

3. The tax evasion charge is complete BS.

This case has become so ridiculous that it's becoming embarrassment at this point. They have spent a fortune and accomplished jack shit. The government should stick to running the country.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 05:46 PM
He just learned from Clinton's "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is...."

Better yet he is basically just telling them to **** off at this point. Hell I would send him a check myself if he would just tell them their a bunch of losers wasting taxpayers money with this witch hunt.

hawkchief
07-26-2006, 05:53 PM
1. The government shouldn't even be involved in sports period. For some reason we are growing used to a HUGE government that wants to micrmanage the entire population.

2. We are already raising a country full of snitches. If snitching is ****ing up the legal system then so be it. Besides this guy has no reason to believe anything coming from the grand jury as they have done nothing but lie to the guy right from the start.

3. The tax evasion charge is complete BS.

This case has become so ridiculous that it's becoming embarrassment at this point. They have spent a fortune and accomplished jack shit. The government should stick to running the country.

When a bunch of spoiled millionaire owners and player agents decide to turn a sport (that used to be our national pastime) into a corrupt, deceitful business that turns its head to, and essentially encourages, the usage of illegal, banned substances whose usage in turn encourages American youth to use steroids, all for the sake of $$$, IMO our government should get involved - and in a hurry.

Since when did telling the truth regarding whether or not you supplied illegal, banned substances to someone come to be considered "snitching".

Bonds is a lying cheat and IMO he deserves whatever he gets. Sadly, the owners and agents that let this stuff go on for far too long will probably walk, unscathed.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 05:55 PM
When a bunch of spoiled millionaire owners and player agents decide to turn a sport (that used to be our national pastime) into a corrupt, deceitful business that turns its head to and essentially encourages, the usage of illegal, banned substances whose usage in turn encourages American youth to use steroids, all for the sake of $$$, IMO our government should get involved - and in a hurry.

Since when did telling the truth regarding whether or not you supplied illegal, banned substances to someone is not "snitching".

Bonds is a lying cheat and IMO he deserves whatever he gets. Sadly, the owners and agents that let this stuff go on for far too long will probably walk, unscathed.

You can't be serious. WOW, I'll just leave it at that.

burt
07-26-2006, 06:14 PM
You can't be serious. WOW, I'll just leave it at that.

Bonds may or may not be a steriod freak....but he is being persued from any angle.....because people don't like him. He may or may not have lied....but he is being abused because people don't like him. Okay...let's go after McGuire, Sossa...and countless others....no, because people don't like Bonds. If they can't get him one way, they are gonna find another.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 06:16 PM
Bonds may or may not be a steriod freak....but he is beint persued from any angle.....because people don't like him. He may or may not have lied....but he is being abused because people don't like him. Okay...let's go after McGuire, Sossa...and countless others....no, because people don't like Bonds. If they can't get him one way, they are gonna find another.

A witch hunt. I completely agree.

Ari Chi3fs
07-26-2006, 06:21 PM
Why dont they go after Rafeal Palmeiro? He blatantly DENIED allegations of doing steroids... what did he test positive for?

What has Bonds tested positive for? Nothing.

burt
07-26-2006, 06:24 PM
When a bunch of spoiled millionaire owners and player agents decide to turn a sport (that used to be our national pastime) into a corrupt, deceitful business that turns its head to, and essentially encourages, the usage of illegal, banned substances whose usage in turn encourages American youth to use steroids, all for the sake of $$$, IMO our government should get involved - and in a hurry.

Yeah, it's ALL Bonds' fault...let's persecute him!!! It's so many peoples fault that persecuting Bonds is assinine. Persecute Steinbrenner...A-rod...Sossa......McGuire..... No we will persecute Bonds...not because he did steriods like many....not because he lied....because he's an asshole.

Since when did telling the truth regarding whether or not you supplied illegal, banned substances to someone come to be considered "snitching".

I pea the fifth...

Bonds is a lying cheat and IMO he deserves whatever he gets. Sadly, the owners and agents that let this stuff go on for far too long will probably walk, unscathed.

Sossa .....McGuire...Palmero..... nah, lets go after the unsociable asshole....... Hell, that will cure baseball and "the American Pastime".

hawkchief
07-26-2006, 06:48 PM
Yeah, it's ALL Bonds' fault...let's persecute him!!! It's so many peoples fault that persecuting Bonds is assinine. Persecute Steinbrenner...A-rod...Sossa......McGuire..... No we will persecute Bonds...not because he did steriods like many....not because he lied....because he's an asshole.



I pea the fifth...



Sossa .....McGuire...Palmero..... nah, lets go after the unsociable asshole....... Hell, that will cure baseball and "the American Pastime".

If you read my post, in no way did I say Bonds is totally to blame for the entire steroid/growth hormone debacle. In fact, I did say that the owners and agents are very complicit in the whole thing as well. It so happens that Bonds is the most visible, has fuc&ed up the record books the most, and unlike the others, is still playing. He has also been foolsih enough think and act as if he is above the law, and when dealing with a grand jury, that is just plain ignorant.

IYRC I responded to an earlier post that took issue with the governments' involvement, not who should be their focus. Sure, they should look at many other players besides Bonds and owners and the MLB Players Union for that matter. However, that said, I have no sympathy for Bonds or Anderson, and I hope they go after them with both barrels.

BIG_DADDY
07-26-2006, 07:07 PM
If you read my post, in no way did I say Bonds is totally to blame for the entire steroid/growth hormone debacle. In fact, I did say that the owners and agents are very complicit in the whole thing as well. It so happens that Bonds is the most visible, has fuc&ed up the record books the most, and unlike the others, is still playing. He has also been foolsih enough think and act as if he is above the law, and when dealing with a grand jury, that is just plain ignorant.

IYRC I responded to an earlier post that took issue with the governments' involvement, not who should be their focus. Sure, they should look at many other players besides Bonds and owners and the MLB Players Union for that matter. However, that said, I have no sympathy for Bonds or Anderson, and I hope they go after them with both barrels.

Good grief dude, you're really scary. You want to government to chase a bunch of ahtletes then you pay for it. Whe the president of our country addresses making sports all fairsies in the state of the union address when we are going to war we have a serious problem. You are obviously one of those HUGE government guys that wants them involved in micromanaging every facet of all of our lives. Of course this effect trickles down. They are now testing high school kids. I don't want to pay for that shit.

As far as the grand jury goes **** them too. He has every right not to answer a god damn thing as he was involved. Their never going to convict Bonds of shit. Hell his own attorney says they couldn't convict a ham samich. They haven't changed sports much either. They have also spent a bizzillion dollars for these remarkable accomplishments. Athletes are currently taking and always going to take whatever supplement they think they can get by with that will increase performance. That isn't ever going to change. If you think athletes are not using in all sports right now then you don't have the brains god gave grapes. All of this has changed nothing but the way the athlete will approach it now.

mikey23545
07-26-2006, 07:23 PM
"He's resigned to do whatever it takes to maintain his integrity," said Paula Canny, an attorney and close friend of Anderson.



Delicious irony!

Mojo Rising
07-26-2006, 07:29 PM
[QUOTE=BIG_DADDY]
2. We are already raising a country full of snitches. If snitching is ****ing up the legal system then so be it. Besides this guy has no reason to believe anything coming from the grand jury as they have done nothing but lie to the guy right from the start.

QUOTE]

So I guess we'll expect to see Barry next to 'Melo in the next street video where they threaten to kill snitches.

They are going after Barry on a witchhunt and I love. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.

The purgery probably won't stick. Tax evasion is a different case though. He will serve time for that. He should have just backed-off the record and all of this would have gone away.

I love it. It's almost like the feds are defending Hammering Hanks record!

burt
07-26-2006, 08:01 PM
[QUOTE=BIG_DADDY]
2. We are already raising a country full of snitches. If snitching is ****ing up the legal system then so be it. Besides this guy has no reason to believe anything coming from the grand jury as they have done nothing but lie to the guy right from the start.

QUOTE]

So I guess we'll expect to see Barry next to 'Melo in the next street video where they threaten to kill snitches.

They are going after Barry on a witchhunt and I love. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.

The purgery probably won't stick. Tax evasion is a different case though. He will serve time for that. He should have just backed-off the record and all of this would have gone away.

I love it. It's almost like the feds are defending Hammering Hanks record!

'zactly....

hawkchief
07-26-2006, 08:15 PM
Good grief dude, you're really scary. You want to government to chase a bunch of ahtletes then you pay for it. Whe the president of our country addresses making sports all fairsies in the state of the union address when we are going to war we have a serious problem. You are obviously one of those HUGE government guys that wants them involved in micromanaging every facet of all of our lives. Of course this effect trickles down. They are now testing high school kids. I don't want to pay for that shit.

As far as the grand jury goes **** them too. He has every right not to answer a god damn thing as he was involved. Their never going to convict Bonds of shit. Hell his own attorney says they couldn't convict a ham samich. They haven't changed sports much either. They have also spent a bizzillion dollars for these remarkable accomplishments. Athletes are currently taking and always going to take whatever supplement they think they can get by with that will increase performance. That isn't ever going to change. If you think athletes are not using in all sports right now then you don't have the brains god gave grapes. All of this has changed nothing but the way the athlete will approach it now.

Not into micro management at all. Steroid use has become VERY prevalent in sports, and MLB won't police themselves because that would mean less home runs, and ostensibly fewer fans and ultimately less $$ in all of their pockets. Meanwhile, teeenage kids continue to test the steroid waters so they can achieve artificial "greatness" like your hero Barry Bonds. Apparently it doesn't concern you that a large percentage of MLB players are taking banned substances with their union's support and protection, while the owners turn a blind eye. This hurts the youth of our country, and as an aside, also obliterates the MLB record books, which the once-great game was built upon. Sure it would be easy to just let boys be boys, as you suggest, but some of us would prefer to regain some semblance of the sport that used to be called baseball and if punks like Bonds get hurt along the way - tough $hit..

It's great to know that you are able to know what the Grand Jury will or will not be able to prove against Bonds, especially using his own, paid attorney as your proof source. I think I'll let the system work, and then we will know if Bonds is as squeaky clean as you somehow know he is.

burt
07-26-2006, 08:51 PM
If you read my post, in no way did I say Bonds is totally to blame for the entire steroid/growth hormone debacle. In fact, I did say that the owners and agents are very complicit in the whole thing as well. It so happens that Bonds is the most visible, has fuc&ed up the record books the most, and unlike the others, is still playing.

I am NOT trying to be argumentative...but Palmiero WAS CAUGHT...right after testifying that he didn't do steroids. If this wasn't a personal vendetta, people would be clamoring for HIS head...but no...Bond is chasing the record and people hate him... Aren't Sossa and Palmiero still playing??

hawkchief
07-26-2006, 09:29 PM
I am NOT trying to be argumentative...but Palmiero WAS CAUGHT...right after testifying that he didn't do steroids. If this wasn't a personal vendetta, people would be clamoring for HIS head...but no...Bond is chasing the record and people hate him... Aren't Sossa and Palmiero still playing??
Dale,

I'm not trying to be argumentative either, and I'm not sure how my comments were turned into being part of some witch hunt for Bonds. Simply not the case

First, Sosa is not playing MLB any longer, and to my knowledge, Palmiero hasn't played since he was caught lying. I wish they, and all thoe who have lied could all be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be over time.

I do think Bonds probably is taking some extra heat due to the fact he is highly visible, still playing, and given the amount of info they have on him via the whole BALCO findings. However, I don't understand all the sympathy towards Bonds, especially when those sympathizing with him accuse our govt. of "meddling" into a serious situation. Congress gave MLB a warning to clean up its act a couple of years ago and MLB refused to put any policies of consequence into place. Because MLB refused to take the warning seriously, they are now paying the price, and I am glad to see it.

pikesome
07-26-2006, 10:13 PM
The whole idea that Bonds shouldn't be pursued for his crimes is ludicrous. You don't get to pick which laws you like today and who they get to apply to. Bonds probably used steroids, evaded taxes, and lied to the grand jury. His guilt or innocence has nothing to do with who did and didn't get punished already and whether or not MLB is at fault. This argument didn't work in third grade and it hasn't gotten better since.

hawkchief
07-26-2006, 10:55 PM
The whole idea that Bonds shouldn't be pursued for his crimes is ludicrous. You don't get to pick which laws you like today and who they get to apply to. Bonds probably used steroids, evaded taxes, and lied to the grand jury. His guilt or innocence has nothing to do with who did and didn't get punished already and whether or not MLB is at fault. This argument didn't work in third grade and it hasn't gotten better since.

Somebody gets it.

burt
07-26-2006, 11:14 PM
The whole idea that Bonds shouldn't be pursued for his crimes is ludicrous. You don't get to pick which laws you like today and who they get to apply to. Bonds probably used steroids, evaded taxes, and lied to the grand jury. His guilt or innocence has nothing to do with who did and didn't get punished already and whether or not MLB is at fault. This argument didn't work in third grade and it hasn't gotten better since.

So you think Palmiero should be pursued for his crimes too? Ans Sossa? Their crimes are still crimes....yet everyone is screaming for Bonds head. You say Bonds "probablyP used steroids...Palmiero has been proven to use them...therefore he lied to the grand jury. A proven case...not a probably.

I am NOT saying that Bonds souldn't be convicted of crimes that he has committed. I am saying that everyone is wanting his head...for a probably, yet Palmiero is not being discussed. It is a witch hunt.

Let's see...Palmiero...proven criminal....just quit baseball...scott free. Bonds 'Probably" a criminal...and everyone has him convicted. Even a 3rd grader can figure this one out....it's a witch hunt...

burt
07-26-2006, 11:23 PM
Dale,

I'm not trying to be argumentative either, and I'm not sure how my comments were turned into being part of some witch hunt for Bonds. Simply not the case

I didn't turn your comments into a witch hunt...congress has simply enacted a witch hunt. Rest assured, your comments had nothing to do with it.

First, Sosa is not playing MLB any longer, and to my knowledge, Palmiero hasn't played since he was caught lying. I wish they, and all thoe who have lied could all be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be over time.

Sossa is in the same catagory as Bonds..."probably" a criminal. PALMIERO IS A CAUGHT CRIMINAL. Everyone should be howling for his head with significantly more gusto than Bonds...a "probable" criminal. And yes, if we deal one player, I hope we deal all the criminals in baseball

I do think Bonds probably is taking some extra heat due to the fact he is highly visible, still playing, and given the amount of info they have on him via the whole BALCO findings. However, I don't understand all the sympathy towards Bonds, especially when those sympathizing with him accuse our govt. of "meddling" into a serious situation. Congress gave MLB a warning to clean up its act a couple of years ago and MLB refused to put any policies of consequence into place. Because MLB refused to take the warning seriously, they are now paying the price, and I am glad to see it.

I am only sympathetic with Bonds, because he is the target. He has NOT been proven...Palmiero has. Palmiero should be the target...then move on to "probable" criminals.

I do think that steroids in sports is an abomination...but for christs sake...we are in a war....and looking for Osama...I think congress has much more to be worried about. And couple that with the fact that they are going after a "probable" criminal, whilst letting the proven criminal walk.... it is a sad state of affairs.

But baseball has lost all it's integrity and is no longer the national pastime....

DomerNKC
07-26-2006, 11:43 PM
palmeiro is no longer playing.

burt
07-26-2006, 11:48 PM
palmeiro is no longer playing.

Way understood, but he is still the only one between him Bonds and Sossa that has been proven a criminal...therefore HE should be the target...not the "probable" Bonds.

Miles
07-26-2006, 11:52 PM
Way understood, but he is still the only one between him Bonds and Sossa that has been proven a criminal...therefore HE should be the target...not the "probable" Bonds.

One testified in front of a federal grand jury regarding an investigation he had was linked to. The other didn't. Its not that complicated.

DomerNKC
07-26-2006, 11:52 PM
Way understood, but he is still the only one between him Bonds and Sossa that has been proven a criminal...therefore HE should be the target...not the "probable" Bonds.bonds is guilty by his own admission.

burt
07-26-2006, 11:57 PM
One testified in front of a federal grand jury regarding an investigation he had was linked to. The other didn't. Its not that complicated.

Um, speak slow to me...I am a little thick, but didn't Palmiero testify to the Grand Jury that he never took steroids? Then test positive? Maybe I misunderstood....

Course I follow football not baseball....generally speaking.

Miles
07-27-2006, 12:04 AM
Um, speak slow to me...I am a little thick, but didn't Palmiero testify to the Grand Jury that he never took steroids? Then test positive? Maybe I misunderstood....

Course I follow football not baseball....generally speaking.

Palmeiro testified before Congress which has the same implications with sworn testimony before a grand jury. The only reason he didn't face the same thing as Bonds was that there was no evidence that he took steroids before he testified. The only reason he was there was he was named in the Conseco book and as far as I have heard that was the only thing against him. He tested positive after appearing before Congress.

Bonds on the other hand had a shit load of circumstantial evidence against him that all happend before he testified.

burt
07-27-2006, 12:11 AM
Palmeiro testified before Congress which has the same implications with sworn testimony before a grand jury. The only reason he didn't face the same thing as Bonds was that there was no evidence that he took steroids before he testified. The only reason he was there was he was named in the Conseco book and as far as I have heard that was the only thing against him. He tested positive after appearing before Congress.

Bonds on the other hand had a shit load of circumstantial evidence against him that all happend before he testified.

Thanks for clarifying......BTW.....circumstantial, schmircumstantial....

go bowe
07-27-2006, 12:14 AM
what mean this "baseball"? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

burt
07-27-2006, 12:18 AM
what mean this "baseball"? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

USA's anwwer to cricket...only boringer.....(nice word)

pikesome
07-27-2006, 12:35 AM
Thanks for clarifying......BTW.....circumstantial, schmircumstantial....

Thats more than enough to get many people convicted. People who are guilty.

burt
07-27-2006, 12:39 AM
Thats more than enough to get many people convicted. People who are guilty.

.....as well as many who aren't...............

Halfcan
07-27-2006, 12:44 AM
So I guess if you are famous-you can get busted for steroids and tax evasion for $ made signing your name?

Why is Bonds still allowed in the game?

burt
07-27-2006, 12:54 AM
So I guess if you are famous-you can get busted for steroids and tax evasion for $ made signing your name?

Why is Bonds still allowed in the game?

circumstantial, schmircumstantial....innocent 'til proven guilty...I suppose....

Miles
07-27-2006, 01:09 AM
circumstantial, schmircumstantial....innocent 'til proven guilty...I suppose....

Circumstantial evidence can prove guilt if there is enough of it. It just means that from the single piece of evidence you have to make some inference.

burt
07-27-2006, 01:12 AM
Circumstantial evidence can prove guilt if there is enough of it. It just means that from the single piece of evidence you have to make some inference.

Please tell that to O.J.'s jurors.....

hawkchief
07-27-2006, 09:17 AM
Thanks for clarifying......BTW.....circumstantial, schmircumstantial....

That's the whole point, Dale. If a tool like Anderson would testify, and answer the Grand Jury's questions, the circumstantial evidence turns into the PROOF you so badly need to see. Then people can get off this "witch hunt" BS and quit the pity party for Bonds. As Miles pointed out, it's a different can of worms with Palmiero and Sosa, and much less evidence to go after them.