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htismaqe
07-28-2006, 10:39 AM
Look, I'm as distraught as the rest of you about Roaf's retirement, but somebody here has to provide some positive input, because I don't feel like rebooting the server every 30 minutes today. :D

I submit to all of you the Buffalo game.

It was a shining example of Saunders and Vermeil going away from LJ and the run and passing the ball despite heavy pressure from the Buffalo defense.

Larry finished that game with 27 rushes for 132 yards, a 4.9ypc average - without Willie Roaf.

In fact, in the games Willie missed, Larry rushed for about 4.7ypc. And LJ set the single-game rushing record against Houston without Willie Roaf.

Perhaps Herm's conservatism is precisely what we need right now? We can only hope.

cdcox
07-28-2006, 10:41 AM
There is a bridge? Where is it?

banyon
07-28-2006, 10:44 AM
I am grabbing an anvil so that my descent off the bridge will go that much faster.

Cochise
07-28-2006, 10:45 AM
I am grabbing an anvil so that my descent off the bridge will go that much faster.

Did you major in physics?

Mr. Laz
07-28-2006, 10:45 AM
Perhaps Herm's conservatism is precisely what we need right now? We can only hope.

that's crap ..... if you don't think that herm's conservatism will put more pressure on the need for great offensive line play then you've just smoked a bowl and haven't come back down yet.

morphius
07-28-2006, 10:45 AM
And without Roaf we don't have to worry about the deep ball, so Kennison can kiss our ass

Oh?
You don't say?
I guess you are right, I'm really not helping. :D

hypersensitiveZO6
07-28-2006, 10:45 AM
I wonder if Herm knew about this.

FringeNC
07-28-2006, 10:51 AM
There seems to be this feeling we were the 1999-2002 St. Louis Rams under Vermeil/Sanders. We weren't. Under supposed "Air Saunders" we ran the ball more than 80-90% of the other teams in the league. We simply have little room to run the ball more without being totally predictable.

My reason not to jump off the bridge is that going from Roaf to Black was going from the best in the league to the worst. I think we can put someone in there at LT who doesn't suck nearly as much as Jordan Black.

petegz28
07-28-2006, 10:56 AM
Look, I'm as distraught as the rest of you about Roaf's retirement, but somebody here has to provide some positive input, because I don't feel like rebooting the server every 30 minutes today. :D

I submit to all of you the Buffalo game.

It was a shining example of Saunders and Vermeil going away from LJ and the run and passing the ball despite heavy pressure from the Buffalo defense.

Larry finished that game with 27 rushes for 132 yards, a 4.9ypc average - without Willie Roaf.

In fact, in the games Willie missed, Larry rushed for about 4.7ypc. And LJ set the single-game rushing record against Houston without Willie Roaf.

Perhaps Herm's conservatism is precisely what we need right now? We can only hope.


I tried Smaq. I started the "Life After Roaf" thread but basically got slammed for ot echoing that we will be 1-15 this year now.


I remember use running all over Philly with Black until Saunders got cockey!

hypersensitiveZO6
07-28-2006, 10:58 AM
The only problem I have is that we lost that Buffalo game 3-14. :banghead:

And Houston sucks horribly. :deevee:

Rain Man
07-28-2006, 10:59 AM
There's no time to climb a bridge. I'm stapling myself to death at my desk.

DaFace
07-28-2006, 11:01 AM
Did you major in physics?

Well, the descent wouldn't be any faster, but you would sink in the water more quickly with an anvil. :D

Fish
07-28-2006, 11:01 AM
Ehh... it really sucks, but we'll be fine.

I ain't scared.....

the Talking Can
07-28-2006, 11:02 AM
I just threw someone else off a bridge, you should have posted this sooner.

chagrin
07-28-2006, 11:02 AM
Relevant comment, and music trivia -

"Where's that confounded bridge?"

Iowanian
07-28-2006, 11:02 AM
I'm not as worried about the health of Chief fans as I am those of Denver.

It appears that many donk fans may be in danger of death of dehydration due to masterbation.

chagrin
07-28-2006, 11:03 AM
I just threw someone else off a bridge, you should have posted this sooner.

ROFL

banyon
07-28-2006, 11:04 AM
Did you major in physics?

:LOL: clearly not, as my understanding of physics is based on watching Wile E. Coyote.

banyon
07-28-2006, 11:07 AM
In fact, in the games Willie missed, Larry rushed for about 4.7ypc. And LJ set the single-game rushing record against Houston without Willie Roaf.

Yep pasting the Texans and Bills last year gives me a lot of confidence we can do that against other teams.http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/memphis/phpbb/images/smiles/01-wingedeagle.gif

Rain Man
07-28-2006, 11:10 AM
Maybe it's a magnetic anvil, and he's jumping off a bridge in an area that has a lot of iron ore in the ground. A plastic bridge. Did you ever think of that?

BigRedChief
07-28-2006, 11:11 AM
:LOL: clearly not, as my understanding of physics is based on watching Wile E. Coyote.

Television is best used as an education resource. Rep for Banyon

KCFalcon59
07-28-2006, 11:11 AM
I am teetering on the edge. I am expecting the next worst thing to happen. Shields will retire tomorrow.

StcChief
07-28-2006, 11:13 AM
Relevant comment, and music trivia -

"Where's that confounded bridge?"
My memory alittle foggy,

Led Zeppelin - the Crunge (Houses Of The Holy) ?

ROYC75
07-28-2006, 11:15 AM
Why jump off a bridge, I'm betting at Vegas on this run and taking out life insurance policies on Trent Green.

Jordan Black can make me millions of dollars..........

BigChiefFan
07-28-2006, 11:30 AM
Relevant comment, and music trivia -

"Where's that confounded bridge?"

Led Zeppelin, The Crunge, Houses of the Holy

DaKCMan AP
07-28-2006, 11:55 AM
I'm not jumping, but I'll push the rest of you off! :D

jiveturkey
07-28-2006, 11:59 AM
It's Svitek time!!!

chagrin
07-28-2006, 12:09 PM
My memory alittle foggy,

Led Zeppelin - the Crunge (Houses Of The Holy) ?

You better not have been using that search engine for the answer!!

Baby Lee
07-28-2006, 12:12 PM
You better not have been using that search engine for the answer!!
Was that supposed to be hard?

That has to be the most irritating riff in RnR history, not necessarily in a bad way. It's just they keep playing the start of a transition to 'the bridge' and never resolve it.
It's the RnR equivalent to saying "Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti . . . . "

Say Do dammit!!!

Spicy McHaggis
07-28-2006, 12:20 PM
If this all happens, if Willie really is gone and this isn't about money then htis is right. This isn't the end of the season by any means. Will Svitek was very impressive in the NFLE this year. Yes, it's the NFLE. Yes, if he does start this year there will be some growing pains. But I'm not convinced he won't do at least a passable job if given the opportunity.

This event is something that we expected to deal with next year and now have to deal with it in the here and now. But it's not the end of the world. A good team won't make excuses and will find a way to overcome adversity. So let's see how good these Chiefs are.

Bring it on, bitches!!!

Lzen
07-28-2006, 12:23 PM
Did you major in physics?

ROFL

Baby Lee
07-28-2006, 12:28 PM
This event is something that we expected to deal with next year after our SB run, and now have to deal with it in the here and now, by going into rebuild mode with aging talent without sniffing the playoffs.
FYP

Chiefs Pantalones
07-28-2006, 01:11 PM
I'm not concerned. We have Herm Edwards to rah-rah us to victory!!! :)

Seriously, though, I don't think it will be that bad. Sure, it's a blow, but we have a whole training camp and preseason to get one of the others to step up. I'm still excited about the season.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 01:16 PM
that's crap ..... if you don't think that herm's conservatism will put more pressure on the need for great offensive line play then you've just smoked a bowl and haven't come back down yet.

Have you ever played offensive line?

Run blocking is MUCH less difficult than pass blocking, especially if you take out the swing/pull plays and run straight ahead.

Even Jordan Black can do it.

tk13
07-28-2006, 01:30 PM
I don't think anyone is concerned about the run blocking as much as they are Trent getting sacked 5 times a game.

BigRedChief
07-28-2006, 02:47 PM
I don't think anyone is concerned about the run blocking as much as they are Trent getting sacked 5 times a game.

And then a rookie puts down the clipboard and trots out onto the field.
:banghead:

tk13
07-28-2006, 02:50 PM
And then a rookie puts down the clipboard and trots out onto the field.
:banghead:
Not if I'm the coach. Huard can take that beating just fine, thank you. :)

|Zach|
07-28-2006, 03:02 PM
I think there is a big difference between knowing you are the guy through training camp and preseason and working with other lineman as a unit and being dropped in the middle of the fire...

NJ Chief Fan
07-28-2006, 03:13 PM
I don't think anyone is concerned about the run blocking as much as they are Trent getting sacked 5 times a game.

casey printers will be starter by week 4 if this happens...were goin to need a qb that is goin to be able to avoid some of the defensive rush

beer bacon
07-28-2006, 03:20 PM
Casey "Vick" Printers is going to lead us to the playoffs!

Hog Farmer
07-28-2006, 03:21 PM
One bright note is that we are better off having to replace Roaf this year and Shields next year rather than having to fill both vacancies at the same time.
Right.

Predarat
07-28-2006, 03:29 PM
Who needs a bridge when ive got a nice shower rod?

KILLER_CLOWN
07-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Everyone has been clamoring for the QBOTF, so what we get to experience it much sooner than predicted.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 05:09 PM
One bright note is that we are better off having to replace Roaf this year and Shields next year rather than having to fill both vacancies at the same time.
Right.

True.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 05:10 PM
I think there is a big difference between knowing you are the guy through training camp and preseason and working with other lineman as a unit and being dropped in the middle of the fire...

Very true.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 05:10 PM
I don't think anyone is concerned about the run blocking as much as they are Trent getting sacked 5 times a game.

Um, that was the point of the thread.

RUN THE BALL.

Mecca
07-28-2006, 05:14 PM
Um, that was the point of the thread.

RUN THE BALL.

Even if that's the point, we better hope one of those other RB's can take carries then because we can't give LJ 400 carries, well unless we want him to be done in 3 years.

Mr. Laz
07-28-2006, 05:17 PM
Have you ever played offensive line?

Run blocking is MUCH less difficult than pass blocking, especially if you take out the swing/pull plays and run straight ahead.

Even Jordan Black can do it.
ya ... and when the defense knows we are going to run?

and when we do try and pass but have to keep gonzo in as a blocker?


the worst thing that can happen to an offense is being predictable.


i'm not jumping off a bridge, but hermy-ball ain't gonna help the situation.

jiveturkey
07-28-2006, 05:18 PM
We need to finish up the Bennet trade.

Mecca
07-28-2006, 05:19 PM
The Saints won't even consider trading Bennett till Bush is signed and ready to play.

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 05:45 PM
Um, that was the point of the thread.

RUN THE BALL.

Are you advocating the return of Martyball? :hmmm:

Chiefs Pantalones
07-28-2006, 05:48 PM
Al Saunders was on 610 and said that Willie retiring wouldn't really hurt the running game. He mentioned that LJ would still have an MVP type of season, in his opinion. He said if it were to hurt anything (Saunders has always been an optimist) it would be the passing game.

I'm really not that displeased, because we have the whole training camp and preseason to figure out who our tackles are going to be. I'm not ready to declare the season over.

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Al Saunders was on 610 and said that Willie retiring wouldn't really hurt the running game. He mentioned that LJ would still have an MVP type of season, in his opinion. He said if it were to hurt anything (Saunders has always been an optimist) it would be the passing game.

I'm really not that displeased, because we have the whole training camp and preseason to figure out who our tackles are going to be. I'm not ready to declare the season over.

Saunders was on 610 talking about the Chiefs? Interesting. The problem I see it is that in order for the O to be as explosive as usual we have to some degree of being unpredictable. With Roaf gone I certainly can see the O being alot more predictable and everyone will be playing 8 men in the box against us forcing us to throw the ball and get Trent killed.

penchief
07-28-2006, 05:53 PM
Al Saunders was on 610 and said that Willie retiring wouldn't really hurt the running game. He mentioned that LJ would still have an MVP type of season, in his opinion. He said if it were to hurt anything (Saunders has always been an optimist) it would be the passing game.

I'm really not that displeased, because we have the whole training camp and preseason to figure out who our tackles are going to be. I'm not ready to declare the season over.

I'm actually okay with it. Now we can all quit worrying about the sky falling. The sky has fallen and we have to deal with it. I think we're going to be fine. Left tackle is a major hole to fill but I think this team is on the upswing and it won't be long before that hole is filled. Adjustments are a part of the game.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 06:19 PM
ya ... and when the defense knows we are going to run?

and when we do try and pass but have to keep gonzo in as a blocker?


the worst thing that can happen to an offense is being predictable.


i'm not jumping off a bridge, but hermy-ball ain't gonna help the situation.

Go to a 2TE set, have Dunn help the LT and have TG go out for the pass.

It's really not all that difficult, and if we all here can think of stuff like this, you damn bet professional coaches already have contingency plans.

All I'm saying is don't get pretty. Run PA, run the ball, and be smart.

That doesn't necessarily equal predictable. At times, even Saunders ball was predictable.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 06:20 PM
Are you advocating the return of Martyball? :hmmm:

I'm advocating SMASHMOUTH.

SMASHMOUTH <> Martyball

Rausch
07-28-2006, 06:24 PM
Look, I'm as distraught as the rest of you about Roaf's retirement, but somebody here has to provide some positive input, because I don't feel like rebooting the server every 30 minutes today. :D

I submit to all of you the Buffalo game.

It was a shining example of Saunders and Vermeil going away from LJ and the run and passing the ball despite heavy pressure from the Buffalo defense.

Larry finished that game with 27 rushes for 132 yards, a 4.9ypc average - without Willie Roaf.

In fact, in the games Willie missed, Larry rushed for about 4.7ypc. And LJ set the single-game rushing record against Houston without Willie Roaf.

Perhaps Herm's conservatism is precisely what we need right now? We can only hope.

I hope so because Black was ABUSED by their DE that day...

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 06:26 PM
I'm advocating SMASHMOUTH.

SMASHMOUTH <> Martyball

I don't know if I can go back to watching 10-7 types of games.

Rausch
07-28-2006, 06:29 PM
I don't know if I can go back to watching 10-7 types of games.

Indeed.

It was much more fun to lose 34-30 than win 14-10...

:rolleyes:

stevieray
07-28-2006, 06:32 PM
Relevant comment, and music trivia -

"Where's that confounded bridge?"


"I wanna tell you 'bout my good ...thing...
I aiiint..disclosing no names. buuuuut..."

:rockon:

stevieray
07-28-2006, 06:35 PM
I don't know if I can go back to watching 10-7 types of games.


like turley said today, they can't win if they can't score.


Can you imagine the crowsda t arrowhead finally being able to get behind adefense again?

and people think it's hard to play here now? talk about loud

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 06:36 PM
Indeed.

It was much more fun to lose 34-30 than win 14-10...

:rolleyes:

You can't tell me that wasn't exciting win or lose?

Watching the Chiefs run 2 plays up the middle and then throw a swing pass for 2 yds is not overly exciting.

What I really want is a Chiefs blowout every game so I don't have a freaking heart attack.

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 06:37 PM
like turley said today, they can't win if they can't score.


Can you imagine the crowsda t arrowhead finally being able to get behind adefense again?

and people think it's hard to play here now? talk about loud

I agree but I don't think this D is on that kind of level do you?

Do you honestly think they could pitch a shutout if they had to?

Calcountry
07-28-2006, 06:44 PM
Have you ever played offensive line?

Run blocking is MUCH less difficult than pass blocking, especially if you take out the swing/pull plays and run straight ahead.

Even Jordan Black can do it.I just hope we don't go back to the Nigerian body left, Nigerian body right play book. As big as Okoye was, he was getting murdered by LB's and Safety's once the whole league knew that we wouldn't pass until 3rd down.

|Zach|
07-28-2006, 06:49 PM
This whole marty ball thing is so blown out of proportion...

Trent Green - Elvis Grbac
Larry Johnson - Greg Hill

Tell me they can't execute better...

stevieray
07-28-2006, 06:55 PM
I agree but I don't think this D is on that kind of level do you?

Do you honestly think they could pitch a shutout if they had to?

They stopped the Invescos on fourth and one. so they've shown they can rise to the occasion.

they were also 16th in points allowed.. while shutouts in the NFL are rare, I think this defense has the capability to be even better.

Baby Lee
07-28-2006, 06:56 PM
You can't tell me that wasn't exciting win or lose?

Watching the Chiefs run 2 plays up the middle and then throw a swing pass for 2 yds is not overly exciting.

What I really want is a Chiefs blowout every game so I don't have a freaking heart attack.
On one hand you have
Exciting on O, impotence eliciting embarassing on D
versus
Pride swelling, dominant, and exciting on D, boring on O.

Don't want either, but I'll take the latter over the former.

If I had a daughter, I'd take a boring bookworm with good grades over a crack whore street walking on my block every day.

|Zach|
07-28-2006, 06:57 PM
On one hand you have
Exciting on O, impotence eliciting embarassing on D
versus
Pride swelling, dominant, and exciting on D, boring on O.

Don't want either, but I'll take the latter over the former.

If I had a daughter, I'd take a boring bookworm with good grades over a crack whore street walking on my block every day.
ROFL

tk13
07-28-2006, 06:58 PM
Um, that was the point of the thread.

RUN THE BALL.
You can't run it 60 times a game. I mean, I agree, we should be one of the top running teams.

The catch to that is, we already were. We don't have to change a thing and we'll be one of the top teams in rushing attempts. Everybody acts like we were some high flying Mike Martz offense that abandoned the run.

OnTheWarpath58
07-28-2006, 07:00 PM
On one hand you have
Exciting on O, impotence eliciting embarassing on D
versus
Pride swelling, dominant, and exciting on D, boring on O.

Don't want either, but I'll take the latter over the former.

If I had a daughter, I'd take a boring bookworm with good grades over a crack whore street walking on my block every day.

Exactly.

I'll gladly take them winning every game 14-10, 10-7, 6-3, etc, if it means going 13-3 and making a run in the playoffs........

Wait......

Make that 14-2 or 12-4.

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 07:15 PM
If you want 14-10 games then this team will never make it to the SB.

The last 3 SB winners averaged 24.3 pts per game on O.

2003 - NE 21.3
2004 - NE 27.3
2005 - Pitt- 24.3

The way the game has changed tilting towards the O you have to be able to put up some kind of points.

dirk digler
07-28-2006, 07:17 PM
This whole marty ball thing is so blown out of proportion...

Trent Green - Elvis Grbac
Larry Johnson - Greg Hill

Tell me they can't execute better...

No question but can they protect Trent is the real key?

Mecca
07-28-2006, 07:19 PM
This is still at best a middle of the pack defense, if anyone realistically thinks we're gonna win games scoring 17-21 points a game it's gonna be a long year.

tk13
07-28-2006, 07:28 PM
I think we can still average 20-25 ppg. I'm just not sure we can get back to being a dominant 30 ppg type offense like at the end of last year unless somebody really steps up. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as the defense continues to improve. But if that doesn't happen, we're up the creek.

Mosbonian
07-28-2006, 07:34 PM
OK...one quick question....

We all acknowledge that we have (had) the best O-line in football....a quintet (5, for those mathematically challenged)of the best players in the game when it comes to protecting the QB and opening holes for our RB's.

So what I am seeing by all these posts is that what most people truly believe is that we have one guy who made the line great....so now that he is gone, we're screwed.

If I was one of the guys who made up that Quintet (now Quartet), I'd be a whole lot pissed that everyone thought so little of the talent and cohesiveness of the remaining 4 and their capability to help the "new guy" become a part of the Crew, that I'd make sure to prove each and every one of them wrong....

Ok...so there wasn't a question....just a comment.

m:mad:dog
********

Mecca
07-28-2006, 07:34 PM
I think we can still average 20-25 ppg. I'm just not sure we can get back to being a dominant 30 ppg type offense like at the end of last year unless somebody really steps up. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as the defense continues to improve. But if that doesn't happen, we're up the creek.

I just have this really bad vision of Green dropping back, holding the ball longer than he should because he does do that alot......and getting his block knocked off.

I think the biggest problem with this is Green has become spoiled with the line we've had. He better work on his release and how quick be makes reads all through camp. Because if you watch him then watch almost any other QB in the league. From the snap to the back step on the drop to the release Trent Green is one of the slowest and may hold the ball the longest of anyone....

Chargeroo
07-28-2006, 07:45 PM
The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!

bogie
07-28-2006, 07:52 PM
The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!


Sit back and watch, dick.

Mecca
07-28-2006, 07:53 PM
The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!

I'm sure everyone is scared of Phillip Rivers in his first year starting......not to mention the worst secondary in the entire NFL.

|Zach|
07-28-2006, 07:56 PM
A Charger fan chiming it...who needs a line when you play the Chargers...there were some times where LJ was carrying that whole team on his back for 10 yards.

Talk about complete domination no the ground.

ROYC75
07-28-2006, 07:56 PM
The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

3rd ? Really ? :rolleyes:

Oh, you meant the Chargers were going to be 3rd, right. This team, had Roaf been healthy was going to win the division and take our chances from there.

With Roaf out, Denver has to be the favorite, we will be right there. The Stuuuupid Chaaargers will falter this year behing a crying River not being able to handle NFL defenses. I'm not worried about Rivers, he has to learn first.

Mecca
07-28-2006, 07:57 PM
A Charger fan chiming it...who needs a line when you play the Chargers...there were some times where LJ was carrying that whole team on his back for 10 yards.

Talk about complete domination no the ground.

I'm sure he's going to respond "Shawne Merriman blah blah yadda yadda" He apparently is their entire defense.......

|Zach|
07-28-2006, 08:00 PM
I'm sure he's going to respond "Shawne Merriman blah blah yadda yadda" He apparently is their entire defense.......
Lets set aside the times where Charger defenders were paying rent on LJ's back for all the time he was lugging them around.

That move on the 15 yard line on his way into the endzone in Arrowhead last year?

Amazing.

TRR
07-28-2006, 08:05 PM
I'm not as concerned with Roaf's retirement as most people around here. Obviously KC just lost one of the best O Lineman in the game. However, if he doesn't have it in him to come back for another season, I don't want the guy playing. To be honest, I thought Roaf had a pretty sub-par year last season.

It's time for the young guys to step up. Jordan Black, Will Svitek, Kevin Sampson, whoever...We all knew Big Willie Roaf couldn't play forever.

Mecca
07-28-2006, 08:07 PM
I just wish had made this decision earlier, drafting Eric Winston in the 2nd would have looked alot better than Bernard Pollard right now.

tk13
07-28-2006, 08:14 PM
To be honest, I thought Roaf had a pretty sub-par year last season.

Are you sure you don't mean Shields? Will had kind of a slow start... but when Willie was in the lineup we were a totally dominant offense. The only two games where the Priest/LJ rotation actually worked were the two he started early in the year.

TRR
07-28-2006, 08:19 PM
Are you sure you don't mean Shields? Will had kind of a slow start... but when Willie was in the lineup we were a totally dominant offense. The only two games where the Priest/LJ rotation actually worked were the two he started early in the year.


Both had sub-par years in my opinion. I don't think Roaf was that effective at getting out in open space as in years past. I thought both Roaf and Shields were pretty inconsistent in their play last season. You'd get the Roaf of old in one game, and the old Roaf in another.

The loss of Roaf is big, but definitely not as big as the loss of an LJ, Green, Gonzalez, Surtain, or Law would be.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 09:11 PM
I just wish had made this decision earlier, drafting Eric Winston in the 2nd would have looked alot better than Bernard Pollard right now.

I'd rather have Pollard at this point. Honestly.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 09:13 PM
You can't run it 60 times a game. I mean, I agree, we should be one of the top running teams.

The catch to that is, we already were. We don't have to change a thing and we'll be one of the top teams in rushing attempts. Everybody acts like we were some high flying Mike Martz offense that abandoned the run.

I'm not advocating running it 60 times a game. I'm advocating running the ball at better times, like when the Buffalo d-line is teeing off on Green.

For everyone that's worried about Martyball - taking the ball out of LJ's hands and throwing pass after pass in the 3rd quarter after Larry turned out 100+ yards in the 1st half is the DEFINITION of Martyball.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 09:15 PM
This whole marty ball thing is so blown out of proportion...

Trent Green - Elvis Grbac
Larry Johnson - Greg Hill

Tell me they can't execute better...

:thumb:

tk13
07-28-2006, 09:17 PM
I understand what you're saying. That was about the only game where we really mucked it up though I think... and even then LJ had 150 some odd yards didn't he. I don't know, I'm just not sure how much more we can really run the football... we were already running it a ton at the end of the year. Especially since we're not sure we have a capable backup yet.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 09:18 PM
I agree but I don't think this D is on that kind of level do you?

Do you honestly think they could pitch a shutout if they had to?

I think they can be. They were 16th in points allowed and if they shave a FG off of that per game, they're easily in the top 10.

htismaqe
07-28-2006, 09:19 PM
I understand what you're saying. That was about the only game where we really mucked it up though I think... and even then LJ had 150 some odd yards didn't he. I don't know, I'm just not sure how much more we can really run the football... we were already running it a ton at the end of the year. Especially since we're not sure we have a capable backup yet.

Honestly, what we were doing the last 7 or so games of last season is PRECISELY what I'm advocating.

tk13
07-28-2006, 09:24 PM
Yeah, I'm interested in seeing how we handle the balance of the running game. Hopefully one of the backups step up and is able to handle getting a few carries a game. As much as Edwards and Solari seem to want to run I'm afraid we're going to run LJ 30 times a game.