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LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 09:41 AM
Let me preface my post by saying I am jets fan and I think we are going to struggle mightily this year (I am not pounding my chest or anything).

But given how knowledgable KC fans are, I am surprised there isn't more concern about Herm running your team. I know pre-season is only preseas-n but let me tell you that your lax effort the other night is an clear sign of things to come w/ Herm. Your team will seem unprepared and make stupid mistakes and it will be frustrating to the fans. That being said, thhe gets his players ready to play in big games. But for the most part, you will be frustrated. The sooner Herm leaves KC the better b/c he is absolutely awful at developing young talent

JBucc
08-14-2006, 09:43 AM
First of all, KC fans are idiots. Second, you're just a bitter Jets fan and Herm is the best coach ever at developing young talent compared to the last guy we had. At least he gives them a chance. BTW is Chad hurt AGAIN?

keg in kc
08-14-2006, 09:45 AM
Call it a weakness, but I tend to give a guy a chance (to fail or succeed) before I either throw him under the bus or carry him on my shoulders.

Because history, good or bad, while interesting and at times even enlightening, is not a guarantee of future results.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 09:47 AM
There's plenty of concern around here. This wouldn't be Chiefsplanet if people weren't constantly whining about something.

That being said, spare us. We've heard this all before. You're about the twelfth Jets fan to drop in here and offer us your pity...

Bootlegged
08-14-2006, 09:49 AM
I'm concerned that your name may actually be Lester.

BigRedChief
08-14-2006, 09:50 AM
JEEEEZZZ one pre season game and we are going to start bashing the coach? Run him out of town on a rail? maybe next week...but until then you sound like a old ditched GF.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 09:50 AM
I'm concerned that your name may actually be Lester.

It's actually Maurice Lester. They call him Mo for short.

eazyb81
08-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Let me guess. You blame Herm for last year's embarrassment?

LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 09:52 AM
Pennington is not injured. Actualy is quite a stir up here in NY b/c the Daily News speculated on saturday that he was b/c he took a bad hit. ESPN decided to report he was hurt but meanwhile he is totally fine. Unbelievable how the media is unreliable these days. Even if he is not hurt, his arm is not what it was and it wasn't great to begin with. He can manage a game but he doesn't have the arm strength back this year. Hopefully he will get it back at some point.

Bootlegged
08-14-2006, 09:52 AM
It's actually Maurice Lester. They call him Mo for short.


Correction. SOME people call him Maurice. Some call him the gangsta of love.

Frazod
08-14-2006, 09:52 AM
Herm won't get all teary-eyed over how good Dexter McCleon looked in practice last week. That said, he can't help but be an improvement.

morphius
08-14-2006, 09:55 AM
We had a lot of the same issues under DV as well, so we are a bit used to it. We are not going to take a first preseason game with no game plan too seriously, well most of us well not.

LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 09:55 AM
Let me guess. You blame Herm for last year's embarrassment?

I put the opening day disaster entirely on Herm. That was as unprepared as a team that I have ever seen except for a 3-game strtech in September 2002 where we were outscored 110-13.

keg in kc
08-14-2006, 09:57 AM
We had a lot of the same issues under DV as well, so we are a bit used to it. We are not going to take a first preseason game with no game plan too seriously, well most of us well not.Oh f*ck me, the offense has been Herminated. We threw short passes in a preseason game (yeah, like we've never done that before...in like every one the last 5 years). We're conservative, I tell you. Conservative.

(And yes, we may be conservative in the end, but, christ, it's one preseason game and it looked just like every one Saunders ever did...)

Cochise
08-14-2006, 09:57 AM
I put the opening day disaster entirely on Herm. That was as unprepared as a team that I have ever seen except for a 3-game strtech in September 2002 where we were outscored 110-13.

I don't know about unprepared. Outclassed was more of what it looked like. (No offense or anything, just sayin').

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 09:59 AM
Come on Lester.

Just pat us on the head and get it over with.

We love being told how sorry Jets fans feel for us.

eazyb81
08-14-2006, 10:01 AM
I put the opening day disaster entirely on Herm. That was as unprepared as a team that I have ever seen except for a 3-game strtech in September 2002 where we were outscored 110-13.

So do you also give him credit for taking the Jets to the playoffs 3 of 4 years before last season's collapse?

LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 10:06 AM
On opening day, the talent levels were not THAT different. YEs, I'd have goven the edge to KC but slightly.

Listen, Herm may improve. He wouldn't be the first to impove on their second job. the fact that he named LJ the starter right away was a smart move IMO and something he was unwilling to do in NY, although when he took over Martin was in his prime so it isn't a fair comparison. All I'm saying is that I haven't seen much concearn and trust me: there is reason to be conceaned.

noa
08-14-2006, 10:11 AM
I don't think there was anyone out there on the market for the Chiefs to hire that wouldn't have caused some concern.

jidar
08-14-2006, 10:13 AM
Jets fans are so savy about coaches too.

Remember when they Ran off Parcells?
lol
Remember when they ran off Belichick?
lol

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 10:14 AM
On opening day, the talent levels were not THAT different. YEs, I'd have goven the edge to KC but slightly.

Listen, Herm may improve. He wouldn't be the first to impove on their second job. the fact that he named LJ the starter right away was a smart move IMO and something he was unwilling to do in NY, although when he took over Martin was in his prime so it isn't a fair comparison. All I'm saying is that I haven't seen much concearn and trust me: there is reason to be conceaned.

"Listen."

"Trust me."

Oh where, Chiefs brethren, would we be without Jets fans here to look out for us?

DaFace
08-14-2006, 10:14 AM
Eh, aside from the fact that every tenth word out of his mouth is "obviously" in his press conferences, I've got no problems with Herm. You still haven't addressed the fact that he took you to the playoffs 3 years out of 4. That's better than what DV was able to do here, and we (arguably) had more talent to get it done.

jidar
08-14-2006, 10:15 AM
I haven't seen much concearn and trust me: there is reason to be conceaned.

I'm concerned with what you're doing to the English language.
Wont someone think of the vowels and consonants?

Cochise
08-14-2006, 10:16 AM
We've all seen the draft, we all know how positive Jets fans are about everything.

I think we're the ones who should be offering you pity on your impending 4-12 season.

LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 10:17 AM
So do you also give him credit for taking the Jets to the playoffs 3 of 4 years before last season's collapse?

Yes but not as much as I thought I would if you told me the Jets would make the playoffs 3 times in 5 years. In general, the Jets were never better than the 4th team in the conference. Also, he took over a talented bunch (similar to what he hisdoing now) so a few playoff appearances were to be expected.

Gonzo
08-14-2006, 10:23 AM
I like pudding.

Hog Farmer
08-14-2006, 10:30 AM
He has the talent, all he has to do is motivate them and from what I can see, the team is motivated . Well maybe except for Sims and Siavii.

StcChief
08-14-2006, 10:35 AM
Jets fans 'know all' about football having one A SINGLE SB too.

Herm will be fine here with a much better organization than NY Jets.

LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 10:38 AM
alright nm...you think that!

Wile_E_Coyote
08-14-2006, 10:41 AM
last year at this time, the site was overrun with Jet fans. They were going to kick the Chiefs' asses & a favorite for the super bowl.

What a difference a year makes

FringeNC
08-14-2006, 10:48 AM
So I guess I am the only Chiefs' fan who is very concerned that Herm retained Gunther?

Pitt Gorilla
08-14-2006, 10:50 AM
I don't see how Herm is responsible for Roaf being too hurt to play anymore, Simms and Dalton stinking, and our safeties being here beyond their expiration.

StcChief
08-14-2006, 10:50 AM
So I guess I am the only Chiefs' fan who is very concerned that Herm retained Gunther?

Concerned...after 1 PS game NO.

Personnel moves at 53 man cutdown and little overall improvement YES.

Hog Farmer
08-14-2006, 10:52 AM
Just think, we'll be cuttin guys that will probably be starters for the Jets.

King_Chief_Fan
08-14-2006, 10:53 AM
Let me preface my post by saying I am jets fan and I think we are going to struggle mightily this year (I am not pounding my chest or anything).

But given how knowledgable KC fans are, I am surprised there isn't more concern about Herm running your team. I know pre-season is only preseas-n but let me tell you that your lax effort the other night is an clear sign of things to come w/ Herm. Your team will seem unprepared and make stupid mistakes and it will be frustrating to the fans. That being said, thhe gets his players ready to play in big games. But for the most part, you will be frustrated. The sooner Herm leaves KC the better b/c he is absolutely awful at developing young talent

I guess we shall see. At least that is where I am now. I was concerned when he was made head coach of the Chiefs.... I couldn't be more concerned at this point. I can only wait and see. However, Herm is not the only concern. The defense still concerns me. The worst DT's in the game and even Herm can't fix that with these guys. So, I won't be blaming him for that.

FringeNC
08-14-2006, 10:56 AM
Concerned...after 1 PS game NO.

Personnel moves at 53 man cutdown and little overall improvement YES.

Oh, my concern about Gunther is based on a lot more than 1 PS game. I don't want to make this into another bash-Gunther rehash. Edwards is the coach, and Gun is the DC. Nothing I can do about it other than root for the Chiefs as usual. Just saying -- I'm very concerned that Gun is simply not up to the job, and wish he hadn't bee retained.

FringeNC
08-14-2006, 10:58 AM
Hey Lester:

What's the consensus forming about Schott Jr.? Is he going to be a good OC?

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 11:00 AM
So I guess I am the only Chiefs' fan who is very concerned that Herm retained Gunther?

I'm very concerned. I concerned about Gunther, I'm concerned about Curl.

But for me this is MUCH less about being concerned and more about being SICK AND ****ING TIRED of being patronized by Jets fans with sore vaginas...

chiefsfan1963
08-14-2006, 11:05 AM
i was able to see the game last night, and was pleasantly surprised about the potential young talent we've brought in. there's no way any one can determine where this team will be come January. Personally I didn't see many negatives. Given the fact that none of the vets played much and both backup qb's we're hurt as well as hali not playing, herm had an excellent chance to evaluate many of the other young players.

No worries as of yet. Quite optimistic!

Wichita Lineman
08-14-2006, 11:14 AM
Ok I've read quite a bit about the team and the game on this site before I mouth off about my thoughts. Because of that I'm going to take a hit for this opinion I know. I think Edwards knew the first game was going to be so much bull that's why he did so many things out of character for a NFL coach. My concern is that this egotistical self promoting so called coach can do what he says he can.Until he proves that he can make this team better then I'm going to remain skeptical that he won't screw up more than he fixes.

Mr. Laz
08-14-2006, 11:17 AM
i'm more concerned about the fact that Quarterbacks seem to always end up broken whenever Herm is near.


he better keep his QB-Jinx mojo off of Trent Green!! :cuss:

Fish
08-14-2006, 11:20 AM
The sooner Herm leaves KC the better b/c he is absolutely awful at developing young talent

So you're just so concerned about another AFC team that you felt the need to create an account on another team's board to "warn" us of our impending doom? Is this out of the goodness of your heart?


Dumbass bitter troll..... have a wet-wipe and drag your sandy mangina back to the jets board.... your pity is completely unwarranted and we don't need you or anyone else "helping" us by spewing this sour green koolaid all over our board...

Herm left you guys... get over it already.....

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 11:58 AM
So you're just so concerned about another AFC team that you felt the need to create an account on another team's board to "warn" us of our impending doom? Is this out of the goodness of your heart?


Dumbass bitter troll..... have a wet-wipe and drag your sandy mangina back to the jets board.... your pity is completely unwarranted and we don't need you or anyone else "helping" us by spewing this sour green koolaid all over our board...

Herm left you guys... get over it already.....

EGG-ZACKLY.

Even if their intentions are 100% sincere, it's quite patronizing.

Cochise
08-14-2006, 12:06 PM
I'm starting to see why Herm would rather be in Kansas City.

Wile_E_Coyote
08-14-2006, 12:51 PM
every time the Chiefs lose the Jet fans will show up & if the Chiefs should make a SB under Herm. "You stole a coach for a 4th rounder. Who sucked Tags off"

Mr. Laz
08-14-2006, 12:52 PM
patronizing.
you would know :p

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 01:07 PM
you would know :p

I've never been patronizing.

"I feel so sorry for you because you're stupid" is patronizing.

"You're a ****ing moron" is not.

:D

luv
08-14-2006, 01:17 PM
So you're just so concerned about another AFC team that you felt the need to create an account on another team's board to "warn" us of our impending doom? Is this out of the goodness of your heart?


Dumbass bitter troll..... have a wet-wipe and drag your sandy mangina back to the jets board.... your pity is completely unwarranted and we don't need you or anyone else "helping" us by spewing this sour green koolaid all over our board...

Herm left you guys... get over it already.....
Very well put.

Halfcan
08-14-2006, 01:18 PM
First of all, KC fans are idiots.


Wow, thanks for coming to our Defense. Good to know you have our back-REP

luv
08-14-2006, 01:19 PM
Wow, thanks for coming to our Defense. Good to know you have our back-REP
He's a Buccs fan. Why would he have our back?

ChiefFan31
08-14-2006, 01:30 PM
I need to add that Herm inhereted the talent from Parcells team and once it was Herm's team it was ran into the ground.

Needed to get that Jet fan statement outta the way as well.


Boo Hoo, we got such a horrible coach.

Halfcan
08-14-2006, 01:32 PM
He's a Buccs fan. Why would he have our back?

Well that is why his post was so stoopid-okay it makes sense now.

MahiMike
08-14-2006, 02:01 PM
Is it 2008 yet? Oh wait, wrong president setting a bad precedent. Nevermind.

LesterLyles
08-14-2006, 02:04 PM
Hey Lester:

What's the consensus forming about Schott Jr.? Is he going to be a good OC?

Too early to tell. Mangini puts a lid on all assitants so we haven't heard much about what kind of offense its going to be. IMO, I think he is ery young and will take time to become an effective coordinator. Mangini ripped him a new one on the sideline on the failed blitz pickup that casued Pennington's fumble. Little things like that are going to happen w/ young coaches.

greg63
08-14-2006, 03:02 PM
JEEEEZZZ one pre season game and we are going to start bashing the coach? Run him out of town on a rail? maybe next week...but until then you sound like a old ditched GF.

ROFL
Yep!

greg63
08-14-2006, 03:06 PM
Surprised there is not more concearn regarding Herm...As if being concerned about it will change things. There’s absolutely nothing we can do about it, so why be concerned?














I'm sooooo apathetic.:deevee:

KCTitus
08-14-2006, 03:15 PM
Heh...Ive got news for you Lester, KC looked lackluster in preseson BEFORE Herm ever arrived, so there!

milkman
08-14-2006, 10:59 PM
This patronization is irritating.

I wasn't pleased that Hermie was hired, and I expressed my displeasure at the time.

But, at this point in time, there's a couple of ways to go with this.

I can sit here and bitch and moan about every little thing, and show my whining ass, like a couple posters here (KCChiefsfan88), or I can look forward to the season, and hope for the best even though I don't expect it.

I choose to look forward.

greg63
08-14-2006, 11:04 PM
This patronization is irritating.

I wasn't pleased that Hermie was hired, and I expressed my displeasure at the time.

But, at this point in time, there's a couple of ways to go with this.

I can sit here and bitch and moan about every little thing, and show my whining ass, like a couple posters here (KCChiefsfan88), or I can look forward to the season, and hope for the best even though I don't expect it.

I choose to look forward.

:clap::clap:

Same here.

Stinger
08-14-2006, 11:05 PM
Heh...Ive got news for you Lester, KC looked lackluster in preseson BEFORE Herm ever arrived, so there!

ROFLROFL

That'll teach him ....

KCBOSS1
08-14-2006, 11:29 PM
I like Herm.....but I am concerned. I'm more concerned about Mike Solari. I don't think that Herm will be the source of our being conservative although he will get the blame and should get some of it if that is the case. But play to play, Solari will be the guy. I love our offence over the last few years.....Don't touch it!

Fish
08-14-2006, 11:53 PM
I like Herm.....but I am concerned. I'm more concerned about Mike Solari. I don't think that Herm will be the source of our being conservative although he will get the blame and should get some of it if that is the case. But play to play, Solari will be the guy. I love our offence over the last few years.....Don't touch it!

Ummm..... what?

greg63
08-15-2006, 12:20 AM
Oh Herm is our Head Coach!!!! We're DOOOOOMED; DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!

wazu
08-15-2006, 12:45 AM
Lester,

Deep down I know you're right. Herm Schottenheimer sucks badly. However, he's the only coach we've got this year. What can we do? Cry about it? We have four more f*cking years of hopelessness. The least we can do is have a few minutes of optimism at the beginning of every season.

Moooo
08-15-2006, 12:47 AM
Lester,

Deep down I know you're right. Herm Schottenheimer sucks badly. However, he's the only coach we've got this year. What can we do? Cry about it? We have four more f*cking years of hopelessness. The least we can do is have a few minutes of optimism at the beginning of every season.

With how bad our defense is, I'm suprised when people object to a style of offense that tries to keep them off the field as much as possible.

Moooo, who is drunk

Logical
08-15-2006, 12:48 AM
Lester,

Deep down I know you're right. Herm Schottenheimer sucks badly. However, he's the only coach we've got this year. What can we do? Cry about it? We have four more f*cking years of hopelessness. The least we can do is have a few minutes of optimism at the beginning of every season.

Some of us go straight to despair, it saves on time and frustration.:evil:

greg63
08-15-2006, 06:22 AM
Some of us go straight to despair, it saves on time and frustration.:evil:

ROFL

rad
08-15-2006, 07:46 AM
every time the Chiefs lose the Jet fans will show up & if the Chiefs should make a SB under Herm. "You stole a coach for a 4th rounder. Who sucked Tags off"


It's OK. They have a Belichick clone in Eric Mangina. They don't need Herm.

htismaqe
08-15-2006, 07:48 AM
This patronization is irritating.

I wasn't pleased that Hermie was hired, and I expressed my displeasure at the time.

But, at this point in time, there's a couple of ways to go with this.

I can sit here and bitch and moan about every little thing, and show my whining ass, like a couple posters here (KCChiefsfan88), or I can look forward to the season, and hope for the best even though I don't expect it.

I choose to look forward.

Good post.

Now go get your pat on the head and soak up the pity.

Brock
08-15-2006, 07:58 AM
You'll all be crying "crocodile tears".

Bill Parcells
12-19-2007, 06:48 PM
Jets fans 'know all' about football having one A SINGLE SB too.

Herm will be fine here with a much better organization than NY Jets.
I had to bump this one too, since we're bumping old threads and all today. :thumb: :LOL: