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chief2000
08-14-2006, 12:15 PM
I missed that part.

Also what did he think of the defense ?

Stewart before that show said that Eric Hicks isn't the only problem with the boot referring to corner & LBs i guess.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 12:19 PM
He was disgusted with the defense.

He was disgusted with Gunther.

He was disgusted with Ryan Sims and the defensive tackles.

No mention of Eric Hicks that I heard.

As far as Hicks not being the only problem, that's true. But you have to look at a preseason game with your bifocals on.

The FIRST STRING LB's and CB's did their jobs, Eric Hicks didn't.

Mr. Laz
08-14-2006, 12:22 PM
He was disgusted with the defense.

He was disgusted with Gunther.

He was disgusted with Ryan Sims and the defensive tackles.

No mention of Eric Hicks that I heard.

As far as Hicks not being the only problem, that's true. But you have to look at a preseason game with your bifocals on.

The FIRST STRING LB's and CB's did their jobs, Eric Hicks didn't.

petro is just in a bad mood because of baseball

Cochise
08-14-2006, 12:24 PM
I really thought Petro was the best sports talker in KC when he was on 980, but lately every time I tune into his show it really seems to have gone downhill.

ChiefsFanatic
08-14-2006, 12:29 PM
I really thought Petro was the best sports talker in KC when he was on 980, but lately every time I tune into his show it really seems to have gone downhill.

Next to KK, Petro is the most self-absorbed ass on 810 or 610.

booger
08-14-2006, 12:32 PM
I don't get how it isn't obvious to some people. The bootleg was designed to fake out the DE, hicks in this case. The CB, S, and OLB can't come up to make the play until the QB crosses the los because they are in coverage, the pass will go to their guy if they leave them. Hicks flat out got embarresed out there, I don't see how anyone can blame it on any one else.

We stayed vanilla playing the Cover 2. Herm didn't rotate linemen like they normaly would, he wanted to see who could go all out 100% snap after snap and for how long. Normally if we have a mobile qb or a team that runs the boot we will scheme a spy OLB or S at the los to slow it down.

Defending the boot is not focking rocket science. It's kinda comparable to the option. The DE always takes the QB in the option and the OLB takes the pitchman. That was the fun part of playing DE. Even if the qb pitches you still smash his focking ass because he is your responsibility.

Hicks is slow and coming off shoulder surgery and all but he looked very unmotivated to me. A perfect opportunity with Tamba out to try and reclaim his job or at least prove he can be a top backup. Hopefully we can cut him, I don't want another year like that of Woods or Lew bush sticking around longer than their welcome just because of their contract.

Cochise
08-14-2006, 12:33 PM
Next to KK, Petro is the most self-absorbed ass on 810 or 610.

It didn't used to be that way. Anymore whenever I tune in he's on some rant that reminds me of Whitlock's show or they aren't talking about sports at all. I tuned in a while back and they were doing impressions of movie characters. But on the Royals broadcasts, he's fine. I don't get it.

My dial stayed on 810 for about 20 seconds and might not have returned since, except during a Royals broadcast.

MOhillbilly
08-14-2006, 12:36 PM
how is hicks portrayed in the media? i mean as far as giving interviews being cool w/ reporters ect?

ChiefsFanatic
08-14-2006, 12:38 PM
It didn't used to be that way. Anymore whenever I tune in he's on some rant that reminds me of Whitlock's show or they aren't talking about sports at all. I tuned in a while back and they were doing impressions of movie characters. But on the Royals broadcasts, he's fine. I don't get it.

My dial stayed on 810 for about 20 seconds and might not have returned since, except during a Royals broadcast.

Last week he was ranting about the people that delivered his chair. It wasn't put together and they knocked a chunk of wood out of his door.

I turned the dial to 610.

Later, I went back to 810, and KK was ranting about the people that delivered his new fridge.

810 is now the Furniture and Appliance station. WTF?

Mr. Laz
08-14-2006, 12:38 PM
how is hicks portrayed in the media? i mean as far as giving interviews being cool w/ reporters ect?

the media loves him .... he almost always gives them an interview win or lose and doesn't give them attitude.


as far as i can tell, Hicks is well liked by everybody.



Which is part of the problem ... nobody wants to cut the nice guy.

MOhillbilly
08-14-2006, 12:41 PM
the media loves him .... he almost always gives them an interview win or lose and doesn't give them attitude.
as far as i can tell, Hicks is well liked by everybody.
Which is part of the problem ... nobody wants to cut the nice guy.

would you go as far to say that he is a media brownnoser?

FTR i dont want to see him cut,i just dont want to see him start.(for the remainder of this year atleast)

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 12:41 PM
The thing that really bothers me is that Petro is usually very well-researched.

I heard him say today that he doesn't like the Cover 2 because he wants to see "press coverage".

It's like he doesn't know the basics of the cover 2 and that CB technique isn't dictated by a 2-deep zone.

Archie F. Swin
08-14-2006, 12:42 PM
I listen to 610 and 810 nearly every morning, and I firmly believe no one personality steps to mic more prepared than Petro. If you're gonna call him out on his show you better come correct cause Soren does his homework.

yOu 'll find that many talk radio types are (or at least seem) self-absorbed because if you check your balls at the door as you put on your kid gloves...well that doen't make for compelling radio.

tk13
08-14-2006, 12:52 PM
would you go as far to say that he is a media brownnoser?

FTR i dont want to see him cut,i just dont want to see him start.(for the remainder of this year atleast)
I don't think Hicks is a brown nose, he's just a geniunely nice guy... and even more importantly, he was an underdog story who had a breakout year a few years back. Plus, all the work he does for his daughter is really admirable. It's hard not to like him... unless you post on this board. :)

ChiefsFanatic
08-14-2006, 12:54 PM
I listen to 610 and 810 nearly every morning, and I firmly believe no one personality steps to mic more prepared than Petro. If you're gonna call him out on his show you better come correct cause Soren does his homework.

yOu 'll find that many talk radio types are (or at least seem) self-absorbed because if you check your balls at the door as you put on your kid gloves...well that doen't make for compelling radio.

That may be true, but I still can't stand the guy. I would rather listen to a charismatic, blow-hard jackass than Petro. 810 is supposed to be Sportstalk driven by fans, but how many times can you listen to him dismiss every caller as uninformed, misguided, and wrong.

Oh wait, if you parrot back what he just said, then you are a good caller.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 12:57 PM
I listen to 610 and 810 nearly every morning, and I firmly believe no one personality steps to mic more prepared than Petro. If you're gonna call him out on his show you better come correct cause Soren does his homework.

yOu 'll find that many talk radio types are (or at least seem) self-absorbed because if you check your balls at the door as you put on your kid gloves...well that doen't make for compelling radio.


It seems to me that since he moved to 810, Soren has gotten more and more like Keitzman...

Frazod
08-14-2006, 01:05 PM
Defending the boot is not focking rocket science.

It is to us, apparently. :banghead:

FringeNC
08-14-2006, 01:40 PM
Last year, the talking points for the Gun apologists was the he didn't get to choose his assistant coaches. Well, this year it appears that he doesn't even get to choose his defense. We are running the cover-2.

I'm guessing Gun had far more autonomy under Vermeil than he does under Edwards.

This seems to be a very unorthodox way of running a team. You retain a coordinator, but then do not allow him to run his defense. It makes no sense.

This better work, because we've bet yet another season on Gun's ability to turn things around. Perhaps this year his only role is essentially that of a motivator. Who knows.

buddha
08-14-2006, 01:45 PM
Nice guy or bad guy...at the end of the day, who cares? Put him on the color broadcast and find somebody to play the DE position at a competent level. Carolina will cut somebody much better at that position than Hicks...I promise you that.

chief2000
08-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Herm runs the D.

Just like Marty did.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Last year, the talking points for the Gun apologists was the he didn't get to choose his assistant coaches. Well, this year it appears that he doesn't even get to choose his defense. We are running the cover-2.

I'm guessing Gun had far more autonomy under Vermeil than he does under Edwards.

This seems to be a very unorthodox way of running a team. You retain a coordinator, but then do not allow him to run his defense. It makes no sense.

This better work, because we've bet yet another season on Gun's ability to turn things around. Perhaps this year his only role is essentially that of a motivator. Who knows.

Honestly, I was watching the defensive sets (pre-snap) last night, and this still looks a whole lot like Gunther's defense. I don't think this is as much of a complete transformation as people think.

MOhillbilly
08-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Herm runs the D.

Just like Marty did.

Sho Me.

chief2000
08-14-2006, 01:48 PM
Ryan Sims might be better than Hicks.

No one here buys it but consider this , Sims might be faster and better at containing the run. He's a better athlete than hicks - younger legs.

Make him lose some weight though.

booger
08-14-2006, 01:49 PM
Carolina will have to cut a good DT. Maybe a Damoine Lewis or Jordan Carstens. Might trade on of them instead if they have enough interest.

I wouldn't mind looking at James Posey. He was a starting Lb for Buffalo who got cut right before or right into Camp. He has experience playing DE for the 49ers and 3-4 OLB for the texans before playing LB for the Bills.

If he could compete for Depth he might be worth a look. Blackmon and Krumrie should have the insight on him. He's about 6-4 250 type rush end, Carlos Hall size.

booger
08-14-2006, 01:52 PM
We need sims to be more consistant and somehow, someway to get him motivated. He doesn't need a postioin switch to DE.

Zach Ville is playing Tackle this camp but can also play end. Arrion Dixon needs to get more snaps IMO. He has the long arms, is lean for a DT and is pretty quick. He might be able to play some end as well.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Carolina won't cut Karstens. No way.

And Damione Lewis is a bust. He's no better than Sims.

booger
08-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Like we have ever had any sucsess with sims and his weight issues, even if we thought a switch to DE would help. Let it go. Bad Idea

booger
08-14-2006, 01:55 PM
Carolina won't cut Karstens. No way.

And Damione Lewis is a bust. He's no better than Sims.

I kinda figured that. What do you think about looking at Posey?

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 01:58 PM
I kinda figured that. What do you think about looking at Posey?

I don't see how he fills a need. He's a pure 3-4 OLB, plus he's really on the downside now.

eazyb81
08-14-2006, 02:05 PM
It seems to me that since he moved to 810, Soren has gotten more and more like Keitzman...

i'll agree that KK and Petro are similar in terms of ego and self-confidence, but Petro is MILES ahead of KK in terms of overall sports knowledge.

FringeNC
08-14-2006, 02:06 PM
Honestly, I was watching the defensive sets (pre-snap) last night, and this still looks a whole lot like Gunther's defense. I don't think this is as much of a complete transformation as people think.

Wow. That's news. I thought we were transitioning to the basic Tampa cover-2. I don't know which is worse - have Gun run the cover-2, a defense that he is not a specialist in, or have him run the defense that he knows, but which has failed.

It's the second pre-season game, and we don't know what defense this team is going to run. That gives me a lot of confidence.

booger
08-14-2006, 02:07 PM
Didn't know he was the old. Your right, probably pass.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 02:07 PM
i'll agree that KK and Petro are similar in terms of ego and self-confidence, but Petro is MILES ahead of KK in terms of overall sports knowledge.

Very true.

However, it seems to me that Petro doesn't prepare like he used to. Maybe he's resting on his laurels?

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 02:10 PM
Wow. That's news. I thought we were transitioning to the basic Tampa cover-2. I don't know which is worse - have Gun run the cover-2, a defense that he is not a specialist in, or have him run the defense that he knows, but which has failed.

It's the second pre-season game, and we don't know what defense this team is going to run. That gives me a lot of confidence.

It wasn't a complete shock to me. Holthus and others have said all along that this would be a hybrid defense.

In fact, I heard someone yesterday refer to it as the "KC 2".

I'm not really worried about the coaching after Saturday night. I saw CB's lined up on the LoS and bumping the WR's. I saw LB's in the correct zones.

I'm concerned about the players. We need to get faster at safety and the line needs to get better push. Those are physical problems, not coaching.

MOhillbilly
08-14-2006, 02:18 PM
It wasn't a complete shock to me. Holthus and others have said all along that this would be a hybrid defense.

In fact, I heard someone yesterday refer to it as the "KC 2".

I'm not really worried about the coaching after Saturday night. I saw CB's lined up on the LoS and bumping the WR's. I saw LB's in the correct zones.

I'm concerned about the players. We need to get faster at safety and the line needs to get better push. Those are physical problems, not coaching.

i still thought they looked confused about what position they were supposed to be in.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 02:28 PM
i still thought they looked confused about what position they were supposed to be in.

I didn't see too much pre-snap confusion. The scheme to me looks ok.

Warrior5
08-14-2006, 03:37 PM
It wasn't a complete shock to me. Holthus and others have said all along that this would be a hybrid defense.

In fact, I heard someone yesterday refer to it as the "KC 2".

I'm not really worried about the coaching after Saturday night. I saw CB's lined up on the LoS and bumping the WR's. I saw LB's in the correct zones.

I'm concerned about the players. We need to get faster at safety and the line needs to get better push. Those are physical problems, not coaching.

You, sir, get a "harumph". There is still zero push in the middle; Krumrie needs to somehow get production from the DTs. It all starts with them.

Halfcan
08-14-2006, 03:39 PM
You, sir, get a "harumph". There is still zero push in the middle; Krumrie needs to somehow get production from the DTs. It all starts with them.

You are wrong, there is a push in the middle-unfortunately its the other team pushing our fat lazy D line out of the way.

Halfcan
08-14-2006, 03:40 PM
Wait until Junior Spithood comes back, we are going to rock-lol

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 03:41 PM
You, sir, get a "harumph". There is still zero push in the middle; Krumrie needs to somehow get production from the DTs. It all starts with them.

Well, you can read the post of mine that you quoted again and see that I said we need better push from the DT's.

However, after watching parts of that game more than 20 times, I can assure you that getting push from the DT's is not the be all/end all it's being made-out to be here.

If we don't get better recogniton from the safeties and better discipline from the DE's, no amount of upfield pressure from the tackles will make a difference because the QB can run to the outside and either take off or hit the safety valve in the intermediate passing game...

Warrior5
08-14-2006, 03:48 PM
Well, you can read the post of mine that you quoted again and see that I said we need better push from the DT's.

Um, "harumph" means I agree with you.

And I wasn't implying that push from DTs is the be all/end all...I'm stating that's where it starts.

Spicy McHaggis
08-14-2006, 03:49 PM
It's like he doesn't know the basics of the cover 2 and that CB technique isn't dictated by a 2-deep zone.

I've agreed with you basically all off-season on this point and I can't think of any way to put it more clearly than you have.

I'm pretty sure the reason that Surtain almost had that pick was because he was playing basically on the LOS and cut the ball off underneath. If we were playing the type of "cover 2" Soren believes the Chiefs are running then Surtain never would have been in position to get his hands on the ball.

opraider
08-14-2006, 03:50 PM
You mean he did'nt talk about what he was eating for lunch today or what he was driving or have any triva questions?

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 03:50 PM
Um, "harumph" means I agree with you.

And I wasn't implying that push from DTs is the be all/end all...I'm stating that's where it starts.

OK, I missed what you meant.

"Harumph" is :harumph: here, and as defined by Websters:

har·rumph ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-rmf)
intr.v. har·rumphed, har·rumph·ing, har·rumphs
To make a show of clearing one's throat.
To offer usually brief critical comments: harrumphed for a while over the proposal.

sedated
08-14-2006, 03:53 PM
In fact, I heard someone yesterday refer to it as the "KC 2".

one of the all-star announcing crew, Jayice Pearson and Roger Twibell

:rolleyes:

keg in kc
08-14-2006, 03:54 PM
One of the aspects of the cover 2 that we've implemented (as I understand from what I've read and heard) is that the corners are playing up on the line and pressing the receivers, forcing them to reroute into our zone coverages. It's new to both Law and Surtain (and the rest of the secondary), one of the reasons I'm expecting it to take the whole preseason to get down.

And you see it during the game, the coverage I mean. I'm not sure if it's normal for the so-called Tampa-2, but it's apparently what we're doing. Maybe we're hybridizing man and zone coverages and creating our own version of the cover-2. I just don't know, I can't keep up with this stuff like I used to. /shrug

Warrior5
08-14-2006, 03:56 PM
OK, I missed what you meant.

"Harumph" is :harumph: here, and as defined by Websters:

har·rumph ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-rmf)
intr.v. har·rumphed, har·rumph·ing, har·rumphs
To make a show of clearing one's throat.
To offer usually brief critical comments: harrumphed for a while over the proposal.

Sorry, I use "harumph" as defined by Blazing Saddles.

FringeNC
08-14-2006, 04:09 PM
One of the aspects of the cover 2 that we've implemented (as I understand from what I've read and heard) is that the corners are playing up on the line and pressing the receivers, forcing them to reroute into our zone coverages. It's new to both Law and Surtain (and the rest of the secondary), one of the reasons I'm expecting it to take the whole preseason to get down.

And you see it during the game, the coverage I mean. I'm not sure if it's normal for the so-called Tampa-2, but it's apparently what we're doing. Maybe we're hybridizing man and zone coverages and creating our own version of the cover-2. I just don't know, I can't keep up with this stuff like I used to. /shrug

So the corners are playing man and the safeties are playing zone?

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 04:15 PM
One of the aspects of the cover 2 that we've implemented (as I understand from what I've read and heard) is that the corners are playing up on the line and pressing the receivers, forcing them to reroute into our zone coverages. It's new to both Law and Surtain (and the rest of the secondary), one of the reasons I'm expecting it to take the whole preseason to get down.

And you see it during the game, the coverage I mean. I'm not sure if it's normal for the so-called Tampa-2, but it's apparently what we're doing. Maybe we're hybridizing man and zone coverages and creating our own version of the cover-2. I just don't know, I can't keep up with this stuff like I used to. /shrug

I watched for this specifically on the first defensive series. BOTH Law and Surtain were lined up right on the LoS.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 04:17 PM
So the corners are playing man and the safeties are playing zone?

They CAN, but they don't have to do it that way. The Cover 2 only dictates that 2 players in the secondary are in deep zone coverage. Usually it's the safeties.

I did see at least one instance (one of the bootlegs) where Law was in tight man coverage on the outside...

BigRedChief
08-14-2006, 04:17 PM
Sorry, I use "harumph" as defined by Blazing Saddles.

They were being forced to use "harumph" to agree with the govenor. That doesn't count.:)

ChiefsFanatic
08-14-2006, 04:33 PM
I'm pretty sure the reason that Surtain almost had that pick was because he was playing basically on the LOS and cut the ball off underneath.

That, and the fact that the ball was 3 feet behind the receiver. If that ball is on the money, then it is a completion.

keg in kc
08-14-2006, 04:47 PM
That, and the fact that the ball was 3 feet behind the receiver. If that ball is on the money, then it is a completion.The way I saw that play, Surtain was playing possum. I thought he forced the receiver inside (as the scheme dictates), stuck to his zone but still shadowed the receiver and then broke on the ball once it was in the air.

Count Alex's Losses
08-14-2006, 05:37 PM
BTW, I saw Surtain and Law switch sides during the game.

HALLELUJAH!

Halfcan
08-14-2006, 05:48 PM
If PS makes that interception, the whole game changes. Texans fold.

keg in kc
08-14-2006, 06:44 PM
If PS makes that interception, the whole game changes. Texans fold.Or if the fumble doesn't bounce right into Carr's bread basket on 4th down...

dirk digler
08-14-2006, 06:51 PM
From Gretz today about the D and what scheme we will be playing:

Stan, you shouldn’t be disturbed because it’s the middle of August. You shouldn’t be disturbed because there was no specific defensive game plan for the Texans. You shouldn’t be disturbed because none of this counts for anything until September 10. It would be a fair assessment to say the Chiefs weren’t happy with the overall defensive performance. But remember this: this is really a new scheme the team is working with, sort of a hybrid between what Gunther Cunningham had in place and what Herm Edwards wants done, especially in coverages. For most of the defensive players, it’s really a simpler way to play, once they become sound with the fundamentals.

keg in kc
08-14-2006, 06:58 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if a few years from now if people are talking about the KC-2 defense.

Coogs
08-14-2006, 08:04 PM
Honestly, I was watching the defensive sets (pre-snap) last night, and this still looks a whole lot like Gunther's defense. I don't think this is as much of a complete transformation as people think.

Check out this first question for Gretz. This is what I really hate about Gun. I still think he is going to mess this team up.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

GRETZ: More Postcards to Camp
Aug 14, 2006, 9:59:43 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ


RIVER FALLS, WI – After returning to campus here in the northwoods in the darkness of Sunday morning, the Chiefs players had the day off. No meetings, no practices, just treatment for bumps and bruises previously earned or picked up in Houston.



Coaches and scouts however, met throughout the afternoon. The tape of the pre-season opener against the Texans was evaluated and so was the roster.

It seems as good a time as any to answer some of the e-mails that have come northward here in the last week, including quite a few after Saturday night’s loss in Houston.

From Stan in Kansas City: “I just got done watching the game and I’m not going to ride the roller coaster as you always say and go crazy and say the Chiefs aren’t any good. But I was very disappointed in what I saw from the defense. I’ve been reading and hearing a lot about these young safeties Pollard and Paige and they both missed a bunch of tackles. It just looked like a repeat of what we’ve seen for the last few years. Tell me why I shouldn’t be disturbed?

Stan, you shouldn’t be disturbed because it’s the middle of August. You shouldn’t be disturbed because there was no specific defensive game plan for the Texans. You shouldn’t be disturbed because none of this counts for anything until September 10. It would be a fair assessment to say the Chiefs weren’t happy with the overall defensive performance. But remember this: this is really a new scheme the team is working with, sort of a hybrid between what Gunther Cunningham had in place and what Herm Edwards wants done, especially in coverages. For most of the defensive players, it’s really a simpler way to play, once they become sound with the fundamentals.

As for the young safeties, Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page did miss some tackles out there. Whether it was a “bunch” as you say, well, that may be stretching things. Certainly, that’s something that must be improved.

From Mickey in Key Largo, FL: “I was watching the Chiefs game against Houston on the NFL Network this morning and was really surprised at how poorly Casey Printers played. Does this kid have a chance?’

Mickey, he has a chance, but right now Printers is a very uncomfortable young man. His natural instincts and his seasons playing in Canada are proving hard patterns to break. With the wider field and more wide-open game with only three offensive downs, Printers had some success north of the border.

But he will not survive and thrive in the NFL breaking out of the pocket at the slightest hint of pressure. He has what scouts term “happy feet.” He seldom gets his feet set to throw the football and that’s a recipe for errors and interceptions. His decision-making needs to be quicker as well. Sometimes he’s throwing to the right spot, he’s just throwing it at the wrong time.

The Chiefs will likely go with Printers in some fashion for as long as they can, whether on the active roster or practice squad. There’s too much talent there to say he can’t make the transition. Also remember this: he didn’t get a lot of help from the other guys on the Chiefs offense, especially in the second half.

From Red Fan in Lawrence: “I was listening to the broadcast of the game Saturday night and heard you and Mitch (Holthus) saying if the Chiefs had won the toss, they were going to kickoff instead of take the kickoff. Is this something they are going to do all the time now? How can we do that with Dante Hall on the team?”

Red Fan, it’s true: Herm Edwards told the team in meetings in the days before the game that if the Chiefs won the toss, they would kickoff. He wanted to put his defense on the field first. It was a decision more symbolic than anything. Edwards wants to establish in everyone’s mind – that includes his players – that the defense is this team’s ticket to the playoffs and should no longer be considered a second-rate citizen.

Don’t expect the Chiefs to suddenly throw away the chance to get the ball in Dante Hall’s hands. This plan was in place for the Houston game. Whether it was a one-time thing, or will be resurrected in the future, only the head coach knows for sure, but it’s doubtful that it will become an every game thing.

The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of the Kansas City Chiefs.

clyde05
08-14-2006, 08:57 PM
I don't think Hicks is a brown nose, he's just a geniunely nice guy... and even more importantly, he was an underdog story who had a breakout year a few years back. Plus, all the work he does for his daughter is really admirable. It's hard not to like him... unless you post on this board. :)

I agree with you Hicks is a great guy and has a great story with his background especially with his daughter but the bottom line is the chiefs need to win and he is not playing to the level he did a couple of years ago. So if he doesnt get better soon dont be surprised to see his release or at least a demotion to back up. Anyway as always GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 09:13 PM
The way I saw that play, Surtain was playing possum. I thought he forced the receiver inside (as the scheme dictates), stuck to his zone but still shadowed the receiver and then broke on the ball once it was in the air.

Yep. The ball wasn't behind the WR at all. Surtain just played the passing lane.

htismaqe
08-14-2006, 09:35 PM
I've agreed with you basically all off-season on this point and I can't think of any way to put it more clearly than you have.

I'm pretty sure the reason that Surtain almost had that pick was because he was playing basically on the LOS and cut the ball off underneath. If we were playing the type of "cover 2" Soren believes the Chiefs are running then Surtain never would have been in position to get his hands on the ball.

Just an FYI, but Surtain's near pick doesn't really say much about whether the CB's were in man or zone. That pass was a quick slant (or something similar) so Surtain could have been in a short zone and still been in tight coverage.

There was a bootleg play later on where Hicks failed to contain and the side was open because Law was covering the WR 20 yards downfield. That, to me, is a clear indicator he was in man coverage...

ChiefsFanatic
08-14-2006, 11:04 PM
The way I saw that play, Surtain was playing possum. I thought he forced the receiver inside (as the scheme dictates), stuck to his zone but still shadowed the receiver and then broke on the ball once it was in the air.

The way I saw it was he was late in the break, trailing the receiver, and the ball was underthrown. I did watch it only twice on tivo, but was so disgusted that I have already deleted the game.