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Count Zarth
08-14-2006, 09:29 PM
31 plays, 44 yards.

Tonight they ran 18 plays and gained 17 yards.

Individual stats:

Aaron Brooks - 2 for 9 passing, 28 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.

LaMont Jordan - 15 carries, 48 yards.

Randy Moss - 1 catch, 16 yards.

tk13
08-14-2006, 09:32 PM
It's the Tom Walsh bed and breakfast offense. They're going to make you think they're asleep, then have you for breakfast.

Count Zarth
08-14-2006, 09:35 PM
You think they're playing possum? ROFL

BigRock
08-14-2006, 09:40 PM
Their line has looked terrible. Even the 2nd team was pushing them around tonight. Is there a meltdown in Raiderland, or are they justifying it somehow?

Count Zarth
08-14-2006, 09:43 PM
Raiders on third down:

0-2 passing, 3 sacks for -21 yards

3 runs for 5 yards

2 penalties

Count Zarth
08-14-2006, 09:48 PM
It was really hard to watch the game because ESPISSN rolled us Raider fans before and during the game,but Brooks does suck but the Offensive,and I me "Offensive" Line sucked so bad,and couldn't block my dead gramma.

It was kinda morbid when ESPISSN talked about Al Davis dying like it was imminent are they f'king kidding me..MORBID MOTHER F'KERS!

Count Zarth
08-14-2006, 09:51 PM
RAIDERS ARE UNDEFEATED....ART SHELL STAGE 1 OF CHANGING THE ORGANIZATION'S AURA LATELY!!!

Would you guys have liked the same performances and be 0-2????

|Zach|
08-14-2006, 09:59 PM
This preseason stuff just does not sway me in the least.

morphius
08-14-2006, 10:04 PM
I'm just glad they look awful.

meStevo
08-14-2006, 10:25 PM
I love the 'at least it is a win' crap.

If this was the regular season, a win is great.

Play absolutely horrible and win... that's just some false hope right there.

Halfcan
08-14-2006, 11:49 PM
Yeah but they are 2-0 lol

Moss and Shell are going to have a fistfight this year.

TinyEvel
08-15-2006, 12:21 AM
I wondered why ther were less drive-by shootings here in L.A. tonight.

Sully
08-15-2006, 06:46 AM
You gotta admit that Walters has looked decent, though.

Count Zarth
08-15-2006, 04:16 PM
He threw 2 picks last night.

milkman
08-15-2006, 08:04 PM
I didn't see the game last night.

Was Nick Gallery abused by the RDE?

beer bacon
08-15-2006, 08:07 PM
I didn't see the game last night.

Was Nick Gallery abused by the RDE?

He was abused by the first and second string RDEs.

Count Zarth
08-15-2006, 08:15 PM
I didn't see the game last night.

Was Nick Gallery abused by the RDE?

He got blown right past for a sack.

milkman
08-15-2006, 08:19 PM
He was abused by the first and second string RDEs.

Out****in'standing!

meStevo
08-15-2006, 08:52 PM
He got beaten inside on a play that resulted in a sack. He looked lost in the replay, the guy got by him so he turned back toward the line to see if he could block someone else instead.

Count Zarth
08-15-2006, 09:02 PM
I've been checking out the boards at raiderfans.net. They're all pretty much sold that Brooks is a horrible quarterback and their OC is a numbnuts.

Several of them are calling for Andrew Walter.

Count Zarth
08-15-2006, 09:27 PM
Nice write up from my football site:

Breaking down Oakland's o-line, play by play

In the opening quarter of Monday's meeting with the Minnesota Vikings , the Oakland Raiders ' first-team offense ran nine plays.

The result was a net of just six yards.

At quarterback, Aaron Brooks went 0-for-4 in the first quarter, while running back LaMont Jordan generated just 14 yards on the ground.

Based on the performance of Oakland's first-team offensive line, however, the Raiders were seemingly lucky to enter into the second quarter with positive yardage. Across the line--from Robert Gallery to Langston Walker--Minnesota was able to control the tempo of the game, consistently penetrating Oakland's backfield.

After breaking down film of Monday night's preseason contest, it is evident that the Raiders are lacking a sturdy barricade to defend their quarterback and make way for their ball carrier.

Roll the tape.

Drive One

First-and-10: Robert Gallery finished this play further downfield than his quarterback. After abandoning his responsibility on the left side of Oakland's offensive front, Gallery took off with Brooks close behind. While Brooks scampered eight yards downfield and out of bounds, Gallery looked for a smaller, more favorable defender to block. By the time the whistle blew, No. 76 was nine yards down the field--perplexed, with nobody within an arms reach.

Second-and-two: The left side was tested once more on second down. Once more, it failed. LaMont Jordan was awarded his first carry of the game; unfortunately, just one yard came of it. Minnesota's defensive line physically dictated the path of Gallery and left guard Barry Sims, allowing the linebackers and safeties to flood the backfield. For holding his block longer than two seconds, wide receiver Doug Gabriel earns player of the play.

Third-and-one: Gallery and co. held their ground nicely on the left side. Meanwhile, on the right, massive tackle Langston Walker was chasing down defensive end Kenechi Udeze from behind. Three feet before meeting the turf, Brooks flicked the ball out of bounds, sending the field-goal unit onto the turf.

Drive Two

First-and-10: Starting from its own 27-yard-line, Oakland's drive began with a run. For the most part, the members of the line held their own; however, no blatant holes were cleared for Jordan in the process. Ex-Raider Napoleon Harris was awarded the tackle, tripping the 230-pounder up at the line scrimmage, but not before Jordan fell forward for an additional three yards.

Second-and-seven: For the first time, the offensive line bears no burden for the result of a play. Brooks had a sturdy pocket formed around him, with plenty of time to make a decision. This time around, however, an attempted pass to a blanketed 6-foot-4 Randy Moss wasn't the correct decision. Gain of nil.

Third-and-seven: Back it up. Delay of game, Aaron Brooks.

Third-and-12: Erasmus James simply had his way with Gallery. In a swift stride to the interior of the line, James seared the tackle without breaking a sweat. Just two seconds after the snap, the only thing left for the Iowa grad to do was to look behind himself. What he saw was James on top of his helpless quarterback, seven yards from where the ball was snapped.

Drive Three

First-and-10: Following a 60-yard kick return by Chris Carr, Oakland was comfortably set up at the Vikings' 38-yard line. To begin the drive, Jordan was handed the ball, only to meet a well of defenders one yard later. Once more, a lack of running lanes resulted in little yardage for the Raiders' offense.

Second-and-nine: After failing to hold a block on a blitzing linebacker, guard Barry Sims left LaMont Jordan stranded, alone with two defenders to handle by himself. Consequently, Brooks felt the heat and ran backwards 15 yards in the pocket before throwing the ball out of bounds, desperately trying to avoid a sack.

Third-and-nine: For just the second time of the game, Brooks had an established pocket to sit in. Perhaps taken aback by the amount of time he was given, the ex-Saint prematurely forced an incompletion into tight end Randal Williams--moving to a frustrating 0-for-4 on the night.

With three exhibitions meetings ahead, Oakland's offensive line must vastly improve for the Raiders to have any shot at relevance this year.

Until then, it's back to the film room for the Silver and Black.

Bugeater
08-15-2006, 10:18 PM
ROFL A 2-14 campaign would be nice. I often wonder if it's wrong for me to enjoy another team's misery so much.




Nah.

milkman
08-15-2006, 10:42 PM
ROFL A 2-14 campaign would be nice. I often wonder if it's wrong for me to enjoy another team's misery so much.




Nah.

**** that!

0-16!

Ugly Duck
08-15-2006, 10:47 PM
Nice write up from my football site:

Breaking down Oakland's o-line, play by play

In the opening quarter of Monday's meeting with the Minnesota Vikings , the Oakland Raiders ' first-team offense ran nine plays.

The result was a net of just six yards.

At quarterback, Aaron Brooks went 0-for-4 in the first quarter, while running back LaMont Jordan generated just 14 yards on the ground.

Based on the performance of Oakland's first-team offensive line, however, the Raiders were seemingly lucky to enter into the second quarter with positive yardage. Across the line--from Robert Gallery to Langston Walker--Minnesota was able to control the tempo of the game, consistently penetrating Oakland's backfield.

After breaking down film of Monday night's preseason contest, it is evident that the Raiders are lacking a sturdy barricade to defend their quarterback and make way for their ball carrier.

Roll the tape.

Drive One

First-and-10: Robert Gallery finished this play further downfield than his quarterback. After abandoning his responsibility on the left side of Oakland's offensive front, Gallery took off with Brooks close behind. While Brooks scampered eight yards downfield and out of bounds, Gallery looked for a smaller, more favorable defender to block. By the time the whistle blew, No. 76 was nine yards down the field--perplexed, with nobody within an arms reach.

Second-and-two: The left side was tested once more on second down. Once more, it failed. LaMont Jordan was awarded his first carry of the game; unfortunately, just one yard came of it. Minnesota's defensive line physically dictated the path of Gallery and left guard Barry Sims, allowing the linebackers and safeties to flood the backfield. For holding his block longer than two seconds, wide receiver Doug Gabriel earns player of the play.

Third-and-one: Gallery and co. held their ground nicely on the left side. Meanwhile, on the right, massive tackle Langston Walker was chasing down defensive end Kenechi Udeze from behind. Three feet before meeting the turf, Brooks flicked the ball out of bounds, sending the field-goal unit onto the turf.

Drive Two

First-and-10: Starting from its own 27-yard-line, Oakland's drive began with a run. For the most part, the members of the line held their own; however, no blatant holes were cleared for Jordan in the process. Ex-Raider Napoleon Harris was awarded the tackle, tripping the 230-pounder up at the line scrimmage, but not before Jordan fell forward for an additional three yards.

Second-and-seven: For the first time, the offensive line bears no burden for the result of a play. Brooks had a sturdy pocket formed around him, with plenty of time to make a decision. This time around, however, an attempted pass to a blanketed 6-foot-4 Randy Moss wasn't the correct decision. Gain of nil.

Third-and-seven: Back it up. Delay of game, Aaron Brooks.

Third-and-12: Erasmus James simply had his way with Gallery. In a swift stride to the interior of the line, James seared the tackle without breaking a sweat. Just two seconds after the snap, the only thing left for the Iowa grad to do was to look behind himself. What he saw was James on top of his helpless quarterback, seven yards from where the ball was snapped.

Drive Three

First-and-10: Following a 60-yard kick return by Chris Carr, Oakland was comfortably set up at the Vikings' 38-yard line. To begin the drive, Jordan was handed the ball, only to meet a well of defenders one yard later. Once more, a lack of running lanes resulted in little yardage for the Raiders' offense.

Second-and-nine: After failing to hold a block on a blitzing linebacker, guard Barry Sims left LaMont Jordan stranded, alone with two defenders to handle by himself. Consequently, Brooks felt the heat and ran backwards 15 yards in the pocket before throwing the ball out of bounds, desperately trying to avoid a sack.

Third-and-nine: For just the second time of the game, Brooks had an established pocket to sit in. Perhaps taken aback by the amount of time he was given, the ex-Saint prematurely forced an incompletion into tight end Randal Williams--moving to a frustrating 0-for-4 on the night.

With three exhibitions meetings ahead, Oakland's offensive line must vastly improve for the Raiders to have any shot at relevance this year.

Until then, it's back to the film room for the Silver and Black.

Whoa! I appreciate all the work you put into that. My only comeback is to agree that we sucked and then quote GoChiefs yourself:

"It doesn't mean anything...... It's a preseason game."

You said that in the thread where you admited that looking at Ty Law gives you a "stiffy." Dude, I like my football as much as the next guy. I'm even interested in the players. But I don't get sexually aroused by looking at them. You win that one, too.

But, as GoChiefs said, "Like it matters. It's ****ing preseason."

SNR
08-15-2006, 11:18 PM
I wish the Raiders were the ones challenging us for the division and not the Donks. They've been good for too long, and I'm starting to not care about the Raiders when they screw up. This must be stopped. I want competitive games again so I can put the Raiders as #1 on my hate list again.

Ugly Duck
08-15-2006, 11:41 PM
I wish the Raiders were the ones challenging us for the division and not the Donks. They've been good for too long, and I'm starting to not care about the Raiders when they screw up. This must be stopped. I want competitive games again so I can put the Raiders as #1 on my hate list again.I like totally hear you dude. This Raider team is so young.... we won't be making any noise for a year or two. I ain't even paying near as much attention to this preseason as I usually do. Just spent a week in Monterey wading thru the tide pools. Went to the Monet exhibit today at the Legion of Honor art museum overlooking the bridge. I gotta get my focus on Raider football back....

Frazod
08-15-2006, 11:47 PM
**** that!

0-16!

4-12. The four wins coming against Denver and San Diego. :evil:

rad
08-16-2006, 07:11 AM
I didn't see the game last night.

Was Nick Gallery abused by the RDE?

You must mean Robert Gallery, I've never heard of Nick Gallery.

Ugly Duck
08-16-2006, 10:28 AM
Some of the bumbling pre-season O-line play is due to factors beyond simple ineptitude, ya know. Art Shell is testing out the "silent snap" that the old Raiderz used to use. Everybody watches the center and he just snaps the ball when he feels like it (nice trick for loud away games). But the new Raiderz don't seem to be catching on real quick. By the time the players turn their heads forward again after watching the snap, the D-line is already in their faces. Brooks seems to be inable to adjust to the surprise snap, Walter & Tui handle it much better. Now, I'm not saying that this is the reason for the poor play (we suck) - no excuse for that. But this tidbit might be interesting to those ChiefsFanz with IQ's high enough to be true students of the game.

KCTitus
08-16-2006, 10:50 AM
The real issue is this...Moss needs to step it up. He's become overshadowed by TO and Chad Johnson and this is a problem. He needs to become a bigger malcontent than either of those two. More antics, more calling out the QB and coaches and bitching about not getting the ball.

Ugly Duck
08-18-2006, 12:02 AM
Raiderz & Chiefs 1st Team Stats after 2 games:

Rushing:
Raiderz 41 yds
Chiefs 37 yds

Passing:
Raiderz 28 yds 1 TD
Chiefs 49 yds, 0 TD

Lamont Jordan: 48 yds
Larry Johnson: 29 yds

You're right, GoChiefs. Oakland's 1st team sucked dog poo. And so it was with the Chiefs. You might invest in some Viagra to help keep your stiffy stiff.

Team stats:

Defense:
Oakland.... 250 ypg
Chiefs...... 317 ypg

Offense:
Oakland... 224 ypg
Chiefs..... 141 ypg (last in the league)

Count Zarth
08-18-2006, 05:38 AM
Raiderz & Chiefs 1st Team Stats after 2 games:

Rushing:
Raiderz 41 yds
Chiefs 37 yds

Passing:
Raiderz 28 yds 1 TD
Chiefs 49 yds, 0 TD

Lamont Jordan: 48 yds
Larry Johnson: 29 yds

You're right, GoChiefs. Oakland's 1st team sucked dog poo. And so it was with the Chiefs. You might invest in some Viagra to help keep your stiffy stiff.


You're clueless.

The Raiders first-team offense has been on the field for eight possessions.

Our first-team offense has been on the field for four possessions.

Count Zarth
08-18-2006, 05:46 AM
Here's something else for ya:

With 44 yards on 31 plays, Oakland's first-team offense has averaged 1.41 yards per play.

With 97 yards on 26 plays, KC's first-team offense has averaged 3.73 yards per play.

Basically, not comparable at all.

I'm guessing when we get four more possessions we'll have a hell of a lot more than 44 total yards. ROFL

Ugly Duck
08-18-2006, 09:31 AM
You're clueless.Hey, I just went to nfl.com and got the yardarge from the Play-by-Play for the 1st-team stats. If I added something up wrong, I apologize. The gist of it is, IMO, both teams have sucked when the #1 QBs & RBs were playing. You may feel otherwise - more power to ya. Although I will admit that I do feel better about Oakland playing KC after watching your Chiefs in preseason. We're a very young team in a new system with a new coach. It would be a miracle if we did well this season. KC is almost in the same boat with the new coach thing, 'cept your guz are old and your backups suck worse than ours. Durn near an even match, I reckon...

KCTitus
08-18-2006, 09:33 AM
Hey, I just went to nfl.com and got the yardarge from the Play-by-Play for the 1st-team stats....

You dont write any columns for football websites, you dont know what you're doing and should back off.

Ugly Duck
08-18-2006, 03:15 PM
You dont write any columns for football websites, you dont know what you're doing and should back off.OK

Count Zarth
08-18-2006, 04:06 PM
both teams have sucked when the #1 QBs & RBs were playing.

No. You have sucked. We actually had a sustained touchdown drive. We've only had four possessions. You've had eight. There's no comparison. None.

Ugly Duck
08-18-2006, 07:10 PM
No. You have sucked. We actually had a sustained touchdown drive. We've only had four possessions. You've had eight. There's no comparison. None.True... you guys did have one sustained touchdown drive - not too shabby, that. Check the stats again, LJ was in for 5 drives, not 4. Both 1st teams have about the same TOP, but Oakland scored 13 pts & KC scored 7. Uh-oh... you said there is no comparison & I just did. Sorry.....

Count Zarth
08-18-2006, 07:13 PM
True... you guys did have one sustained touchdown drive - not too shabby, that. Check the stats again, LJ was in for 5 drives, not 4. Both 1st teams have about the same TOP, but Oakland scored 13 pts & KC scored 7. Uh-oh... you said there is no comparison & I just did. Sorry.....

Sorry, there's no comparison. You guys generated less than two yards per play. That's absolutely pathetic. I don't care about your 13 points. They all came via field position.

Also, it's 4 drives. I only counted the possessions where the starting quarterback was in the game.

Ugly Duck
08-19-2006, 12:05 AM
That's absolutely pathetic. I'm agreeing with you - it is pathetic. We just disagree that the KC offense being dead last in the league is any better.

cyborgtable
08-19-2006, 06:40 AM
The raiders offense looks like crap. Brooks is playing poorly, the line isn't playing well at all, Moss is a non-factor. The offensive unit hasn't gelled and I don't believe they will with a formor mayor of a town calling the plays.

Ugly Duck
08-19-2006, 09:00 AM
The raiders offense looks like crap. Brooks is playing poorly, the line isn't playing well at all, Moss is a non-factor. The offensive unit hasn't gelled and I don't believe they will with a formor mayor of a town calling the plays.The "The raiders offense looks like crap. Brooks is playing poorly, the line isn't playing well at all" part is a good analysis, me bucko. You are right on the money with that. The KC 1st team had the ball for the same amount of time, generated similar yadage, & scored less points. That ain't nothing to crow about either. Your 1st string is old & your backups are among the worst in the league. I expect KC to do slightly better than Oakland this season. Oakland is on the bottom with no way to go but up, KC will be on its way down next year as your old guyz get even older and your sucky backups move into the 1st team.

cyborgtable
08-19-2006, 01:38 PM
I have yet to see the chiefs starters play so I can't compare them to the raiders offense.

Count Zarth
08-19-2006, 04:22 PM
What a joke.

KC moved the ball.

Oakland didn't.

End of story.

Ugly Duck
08-21-2006, 09:44 PM
What a joke.

KC moved the ball.

Oakland didn't.

End of story.Well, they have now after the home game. Oh... and here's the AFCW preseason stats:

DEFENSE:
#2 Sandy Eggo....204 ypg
#6 Oakland.........237 ypg
#9 Denver..........249 ypg
#22 Kansas City....317 ypg

OFFENSE:
#3 Denver...........392 ypg
#11 Sandy Eggo...318 ypg
#21 Oakland........281 ypg
#31 Kansas City...141 ypg. Dead last. The caboose. Pulling up the rear. Last of the Mohicans. The bottom. Lowest of the low. Deepest of the depths. Worst of the worst. In the dictionary under "LAST."

TinyEvel
08-22-2006, 01:51 AM
I don't need to see numbers to know that I hate the Jokeland Faders

Count Zarth
08-22-2006, 05:25 AM
Well, they have now after the home game.

Congrats. You should play the 49ers more often.

Dead last. The caboose. Pulling up the rear. Last of the Mohicans. The bottom. Lowest of the low. Deepest of the depths. Worst of the worst. In the dictionary under "LAST."

Yeah, so? You act like preseason rankings mean something. You did this last year as well. They don't mean jack shit, so you might as well drop it.

ck_IN
08-22-2006, 09:10 AM
Maybe I'm missing something but Davis goes out and drops nice coin on Moss, then he saddles his new toy with QB's like Collins and Brooks.

That's like asking a Corvette to pull a boat. I wonder how long before Moss goes nuts and Walters starts.

Logical
08-22-2006, 11:07 AM
I think I will wait to see which team is worse in regular season before getting excited. Hopefully they will be worse.

Ugly Duck
08-22-2006, 09:16 PM
You act like preseason rankings mean something. You did this last year as well. They don't mean jack shitBut... but if preseason numbers don't mean jack shit, why are you the one starting threads about them? I don't get it....

jspchief
08-22-2006, 09:18 PM
But... but if preseason numbers don't mean jack shit, why are you the one starting threads about them? I don't get it....Because Chiefs fans hate the Raiders. Duh.

Ugly Duck
08-22-2006, 09:25 PM
Because Chiefs fans hate the Raiders. Duh.Ooohhhhhhh..... I get it now!

Count Zarth
08-23-2006, 08:16 PM
But... but if preseason numbers don't mean jack shit, why are you the one starting threads about them? I don't get it....

Preseason RANKINGS mean jack shit.

When your first team offense can't even generate 2 yards per play, that's embarrassing.

Ugly Duck
08-23-2006, 11:22 PM
Preseason RANKINGS mean jack shit.

When your first team offense can't even generate 2 yards per play, that's embarrassing.Oakland has generated 4.2 yards per play, KC is at 4.5. Thats less than 11 inches per play better than the Raiders. Only 11 measly inches, the length of one lone wang. Look in your boxers... thats the only difference per play between our two teams. If I should be embarrassed, then so should you.....

Count Zarth
08-23-2006, 11:24 PM
Yes, obviously you guys did better last game. Your first-team offense has been on the field for something like 12 possessions now vs 4 for the Chiefs...once we get our chances, the gap will widen considerably.

You ready for eight in a row? ROFL

Ugly Duck
08-23-2006, 11:45 PM
Your first-team offense has been on the field for something like 12 possessions now vs 4 for the Chiefs...True... your 1st-team defense had a lot of trouble getting the ball back for you guyz. All those long touchdown drives against your defense really kept the ball out of the hands of your offense. No wonder the KC O has so few possessions so far....

Count Zarth
09-11-2006, 11:08 PM
Yup.

jjjayb
09-11-2006, 11:31 PM
Yup.
ROFL

meStevo
09-12-2006, 12:23 AM
Postseason victories:RAIDERS 25, Chiefs 8

I misread that and thought it said Preseason victories.

Ugly Duck
09-12-2006, 01:35 AM
Yup.You were right. I was wrong. But I still hate you anyway.