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DaFace
08-16-2006, 12:46 PM
Anyone who's ever been ****ed out of $4000 buying tickets online, raise your hand.

Just me?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

|Zach|
08-16-2006, 12:47 PM
What happened?

StcChief
08-16-2006, 12:50 PM
Don't ever buy tickets online from an unknown source.

Fish
08-16-2006, 12:52 PM
What the hell kinda tickets does a fella spend $4K on?

That sucks dude.....

ferrarispider95
08-16-2006, 12:55 PM
Hope you can chargeback

ChiefsDJ56
08-16-2006, 01:00 PM
Anyone who's ever been ****ed out of $4000 buying tickets online, raise your hand.

Just me?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

You bought $4000 in tickets from an unknown source online??????

I have some tickets you can buy..... :hmmm:

Halfcan
08-16-2006, 01:02 PM
What the hell kinda tickets does a fella spend $4K on?

That sucks dude.....

For 4 K you can get

1 ticket to the Stones or

2 tickets to Madonnna

40 tickets to Motley/Aerosmith

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:03 PM
Theoretically, they were club level, 40 yard line, row 4. Face value would have been $3,600, so the price is pretty reasonable.

Here's the story:

I found the guy through a CraigsList listing. Contacted him via email, then later by phone. I was nervous about the whole thing, so when it came time to pay him, I asked for a full contract, plus a copy of his drivers' license. I thought that would scare him off if he were a scammer. On top of that, he sounded like he was in his late 20's (verified by his ID), no foreign accent, and a background check on privateeye.com confirmed his address was the address I sent the check to. He lives in California, which is a little suspicious, but he said he had recently moved from the KC area. According to theory, his grandparents originally owned the seats, so I didn't think anything of it. This was in the middle of June.

In mid-July I had a question for him, so I called him up to find that his cell phone had been disconnected. I freaked out a bit, but emailed him in case there was some explanation. Sure enough, a couple days later I got an email with his new phone number. I called him, and all seemed to be well.

Yesterday, I still hadn't gotten my tickets, so I called him up. He said that they hadn't arrived yet and that he would call the Chiefs last night to see why they hadn't arrived yet. Even then I still thought he was on the up and up...

Until today when I got a call from the Laguna Beach police department. The guy has been arrested on multiple counts of fraud, and I'm one of around 30 he's scammed. Lucky me, he said mine was the largest amount. :banghead:

The weird thing about the whole thing is that the guy never gave me any false information. The guy they arrested is the same name that's on my contract. His drivers' license matches, too. I don't understand why someone would try such a large scam but give people his real name, address, and phone number. And why would he still give me his real phone number, a month after he had cashed my check?

Anyway, if I get lucky I'll get part of it back, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm working with a detective in California and I've filed a report with the local PD. If any of you guys have any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I'm supposed to just let the detectives figure it out for now.

I've done a LOT of buying and selling online, so I consider myself to be pretty good at sniffing out frauds. This one completely blindsided me, though.

Ugh...

JBucc
08-16-2006, 01:05 PM
ROFL

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:06 PM
ROFL

**** you.

Fish
08-16-2006, 01:12 PM
If it were me, I'd rather extract $4000 worth of various appendages in unique and painful ways from this douche when he gets out of jail.....

Halfcan
08-16-2006, 01:14 PM
I would not give the money til I had the tickets in hand and checked if they were fakes.

I got screwed by Ticketmaster when Guns and Losers cancled their show in KC. The riot in St. Louis messed up their equipment. Ticketmaster kept nearly $200 in service charges. 2 days later, reannounced the show and charged a service charge again. I was pissed.

wutamess
08-16-2006, 01:15 PM
ROFL

Dude that really isn't a laughing matter.

KCTitus
08-16-2006, 01:17 PM
Sorry to hear about that...did the PD say whether or not you might get your $$ back?

JBucc
08-16-2006, 01:18 PM
**** you.I was laughing more at the guy than you. But here's one for you anywayROFL

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:20 PM
Sorry to hear about that...did the PD say whether or not you might get your $$ back?

I'm no expert on the legalities of the situation, but I'm told that he will likely be ordered to pay restitution. I've got copies of EVERYTHING, so chances are mine will be an open and shut case. However, if he's already spent the money that he got from everyone, there may not be much money to pay everyone back with. We'll see.

BigRedChief
08-16-2006, 01:20 PM
I was laughing more at the guy than you. But here's one for you anywayROFL

Man thats not cool at all.
http://atlblogs.com/abe/archives/c-angry.jpg

Dartgod
08-16-2006, 01:21 PM
Ouch!

RockChalk
08-16-2006, 01:22 PM
WTF is wrong with people?

I didn't get scammed, but a week after I bought my new truck, I walked outside my place only to see the whole truck (silver in color) spraypainted in Red paint.

KCTitus
08-16-2006, 01:23 PM
I'm no expert on the legalities of the situation, but I'm told that he will likely be ordered to pay restitution. I've got copies of EVERYTHING, so chances are mine will be an open and shut case. However, if he's already spent the money that he got from everyone, there may not be much money to pay everyone back with. We'll see.

Ugh...hopefully there's some money they can confiscate, because if all you get is a restitution order, I wouldnt hold my breath, this scumbag wont pay. What a kick in the nuts...that was a pretty bold scam to give you legit info.

ferrarispider95
08-16-2006, 01:25 PM
That sucks, hope it works out. I don't think there is really anything you can do, but wait.

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:26 PM
Ugh...hopefully there's some money they can confiscate, because if all you get is a restitution order, I wouldnt hold my breath, this scumbag wont pay. What a kick in the nuts...that was a pretty bold scam to give you legit info.

I'm chalking it up as a loss and moving on with life. If I get some of it back, I'll be thrilled, but I'm not gonna keep hoping when I probably won't get jack.

morphius
08-16-2006, 01:27 PM
Damn Daface! Sorry to hear that.

he was probably a Raiders fan.

Rain Man
08-16-2006, 01:27 PM
Wow. That's horrible. I hope you can somehow get your money back.

If he's in jail, perhaps you can send him some kiddie porn at his jailhouse address, and put his own address down as the return address.

Lzen
08-16-2006, 01:30 PM
WTF is wrong with people?

I didn't get scammed, but a week after I bought my new truck, I walked outside my place only to see the whole truck (silver in color) spraypainted in Red paint.


They must've figured that you are a Chiefs fan and should have a truck to match the Chiefs colors. ;)






j/k I know that sucks. I had an incident with spray paint just the other day. You can read all about it in the handy man thread. It was nowhere near the expense of your problem, but it really pissed me off.

Lzen
08-16-2006, 01:34 PM
Isn't there some way to put the money into an account that he couldn't get to until the tix were delivered? I know this doesn't help you now, but I'm just thinking of future online purchases.

Cochise
08-16-2006, 01:38 PM
Isn't there some way to put the money into an account that he couldn't get to until the tix were delivered? I know this doesn't help you now, but I'm just thinking of future online purchases.

Escrow is advisable on a large online purchase.

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:39 PM
Well, I've always been one to get people on the phone and then make a character judgement call. He was a nice guy. We had a half-hour long conversation about the state of the Chiefs offense after Willie left. I didn't see a need to use any kind of an escrow service, but I guess I will next time.

tk13
08-16-2006, 01:48 PM
Are you positive you actually talked to a detective from California?

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:52 PM
Yeah. I did a reverse lookup on the number and it came up Laguna Beach PD.

Lzen
08-16-2006, 01:56 PM
Escrow is advisable on a large online purchase.


I know Ebay uses this type of thing. Is there another service that buyers and sellers use for large online purchses? Specifically, the name/website. I've never made a large onine purchase from an individual, so I'm totally ignorant on this subject.

DaFace
08-16-2006, 01:58 PM
I know Ebay uses this type of thing. Is there another service that buyers and sellers use for large online purchses? Specifically, the name/website. I've never made a large onine purchase from an individual, so I'm totally ignorant on this subject.

I've never used it, but escrow.com is one of them.

StcChief
08-16-2006, 02:05 PM
Escrow.com is the only way to go...

If he wouldn't agree then.....no go.

jspchief
08-16-2006, 02:08 PM
Same thing happened to me in '03 with about $1600 in Packers tickets.

After involving the local police and the FBI, I finally found out the guy was a broker who claims to have had his entire ticket inventory stolen.

About 6 months later, I received a check in the mail for the exact amount from some unknown law office.

Hope you get your money back.

OnTheWarpath58
08-16-2006, 02:22 PM
I've seen multiple listings on Ebay recently from a guy selling 1st row, 50 yard line seats........says in the listing to e-mail him and all 4 season tickets can be yours for $1000.

I'm sure plenty of people fell for that....the last one I saw there was a reply in the question/answer area from the actual ebay member who said she had no tickets for sale and that her account had been hacked into.......

Wonder if it's the same guy?

ferrarispider95
08-16-2006, 02:41 PM
Are you positive you actually talked to a detective from California?

That would be a good scam, make it seem like they caught the guy and are trying to get restitution, all the while prolonging the situation to where the buyer sooner or later gets frustrated enough to give up or forget about it.

dtebbe
08-16-2006, 02:42 PM
I know Ebay uses this type of thing. Is there another service that buyers and sellers use for large online purchses? Specifically, the name/website. I've never made a large onine purchase from an individual, so I'm totally ignorant on this subject.

I used escrow.com when I bought rights to the 2 lower level seats I have. It worked great, no complaints. Great protection for both parties. Most legit sellers will agree to escrow if you agree to pay the fee. In my case the fee was under $40, well worth it.

DT

Cochise
08-16-2006, 02:45 PM
I used escrow.com when I bought rights to the 2 lower level seats I have. It worked great, no complaints. Great protection for both parties. Most legit sellers will agree to escrow if you agree to pay the fee. In my case the fee was under $40, well worth it.

DT

I didn't end up buying the item, but a few years ago I was looking into making a purchase online and using escrow. For a $5000 transaction it was going to be a fee of $150 or so.

ferrarispider95
08-16-2006, 02:45 PM
I wonder if you were making a purchase of season tickets that you will be able to call the Chiefs and make sure that person actually owned those seats.

Hindsight is 20/20, Karma will get that bitch or ass pounding from Bubba

Scaga
08-16-2006, 02:51 PM
100 - 1 the guy is a Raiders fan.
That sucks bud....

First game at Arrowhead, find me, and I'll buy you a beer.
I'll be the one wearing red.

kc1977
08-16-2006, 02:57 PM
I'm chalking it up as a loss and moving on with life. If I get some of it back, I'll be thrilled, but I'm not gonna keep hoping when I probably won't get jack.

Are you married? Cause if so, it ain't going to be this easy.

Hog Farmer
08-16-2006, 03:08 PM
ROFL

Just curious how many neg reps that got you ?

DaFace
08-16-2006, 03:08 PM
Are you married? Cause if so, it ain't going to be this easy.

Engaged, but not married, and she has nothing to do with my finances...yet.

Sadly, the entire $4000 was on a student loan. Some may not like the practice, but this purchase was meant to be a way for me to sell them at a profit, then use the profit to pay for my own tickets. I had planned to pay the whole thing back once I sold them. In the end, nothing's changed with my own finances right now except that my student loan payments will be a lot higher than I had planned.

Hog Farmer
08-16-2006, 03:14 PM
Engaged, but not married, and she has nothing to do with my finances...yet.

Sadly, the entire $4000 was on a student loan. Some may not like the practice, but this purchase was meant to be a way for me to sell them at a profit, then use the profit to pay for my own tickets. I had planned to pay the whole thing back once I sold them. In the end, nothing's changed with my own finances right now except that my student loan payments will be a lot higher than I had planned.



BRILLIANT!:toast:

DaFace
08-16-2006, 03:16 PM
BRILLIANT!:toast:

Eh, it's worked great for three years, so :p.

JBucc
08-16-2006, 03:17 PM
Just curious how many neg reps that got you ?17

Hog Farmer
08-16-2006, 03:21 PM
17

ROFL

Cochise
08-16-2006, 03:25 PM
18.

JBucc
08-16-2006, 03:29 PM
I lied btw. I only got 1. Well now 2.

Hog Farmer
08-16-2006, 03:38 PM
I lied btw. I only got 1. Well now 2.

Neg Rep For Lying%(/

BigRedChief
08-16-2006, 03:42 PM
Neg Rep For Lying%(/

Talking about neg rep add 1 more.

JBucc
08-16-2006, 03:49 PM
Oh NOEs!

RockChalk
08-16-2006, 04:12 PM
Anyone who's ever been ****ed out of $4000 buying tickets online, raise your hand.

Just me?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

So are you more pissed about losing the $4000 or not being able to go to the games now?

DaFace
08-16-2006, 04:24 PM
So are you more pissed about losing the $4000 or not being able to go to the games now?

Heh...good question. I guess I'd have to say I'm more pissed about the cash. First off, I would have only spent around $1000 on my own tickets. Second, I've already bought tickets to a couple games, so I'm kinda stuck going anyway. Maybe not as many as I would have otherwise, but I'm still going.

RockChalk
08-16-2006, 04:43 PM
Well I'm sorry about the $4000. Maybe you'll get some of it back.

The police caught the kids that painted my truck 4 months ago and I've yet to see a dime through "restitution". When the assistant to the DA called me to tell me they had admitted to the crime, she said I could get some of my money back. I asked her if I could just have 10 minutes with the kid to beat the sh*t out of them and she just laughed.

BigRedChief
08-16-2006, 04:54 PM
Well I'm sorry about the $4000. Maybe you'll get some of it back.

The police caught the kids that painted my truck 4 months ago and I've yet to see a dime through "restitution". When the assistant to the DA called me to tell me they had admitted to the crime, she said I could get some of my money back. I asked her if I could just have 10 minutes with the kid to beat the sh*t out of them and she just laughed.

Yeah someone on here last week was talking about his new mustang getting a big X put in the hood by someone.

Sam Hall
08-16-2006, 05:16 PM
Has anybody had experience with stubhub.com? That's probably where I'm getting the Nebraska/Colorado tickets. It says I'm gauranteed to get the tickets, but you never know.

RockChalk
08-16-2006, 05:19 PM
Yeah someone on here last week was talking about his new mustang getting a big X put in the hood by someone.

Mine had a few streaks going down the drivers side, the tailgate area had been filled in, the passenger side said "Vigina Is Good" (yes, the spelled it v-i-g-i-n-a) and there was some paint on the hood

IA_Chiefs_fan
08-16-2006, 07:19 PM
Yeah someone on here last week was talking about his new mustang getting a big X put in the hood by someone.I was that lucky bast*rd. That's only costing me about 25% of what the ticket scam is costing him though.

Rukdafaidas
08-16-2006, 07:20 PM
Has anybody had experience with stubhub.com? That's probably where I'm getting the Nebraska/Colorado tickets. It says I'm gauranteed to get the tickets, but you never know.
Yes, I've bought tickets from them with no problems.

Chieftain58
08-16-2006, 07:23 PM
Theoretically, they were club level, 40 yard line, row 4. Face value would have been $3,600, so the price is pretty reasonable.

Here's the story:

I found the guy through a CraigsList listing. Contacted him via email, then later by phone. I was nervous about the whole thing, so when it came time to pay him, I asked for a full contract, plus a copy of his drivers' license. I thought that would scare him off if he were a scammer. On top of that, he sounded like he was in his late 20's (verified by his ID), no foreign accent, and a background check on privateeye.com confirmed his address was the address I sent the check to. He lives in California, which is a little suspicious, but he said he had recently moved from the KC area. According to theory, his grandparents originally owned the seats, so I didn't think anything of it. This was in the middle of June.

In mid-July I had a question for him, so I called him up to find that his cell phone had been disconnected. I freaked out a bit, but emailed him in case there was some explanation. Sure enough, a couple days later I got an email with his new phone number. I called him, and all seemed to be well.

Yesterday, I still hadn't gotten my tickets, so I called him up. He said that they hadn't arrived yet and that he would call the Chiefs last night to see why they hadn't arrived yet. Even then I still thought he was on the up and up...

Until today when I got a call from the Laguna Beach police department. The guy has been arrested on multiple counts of fraud, and I'm one of around 30 he's scammed. Lucky me, he said mine was the largest amount. :banghead:

The weird thing about the whole thing is that the guy never gave me any false information. The guy they arrested is the same name that's on my contract. His drivers' license matches, too. I don't understand why someone would try such a large scam but give people his real name, address, and phone number. And why would he still give me his real phone number, a month after he had cashed my check?

Anyway, if I get lucky I'll get part of it back, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm working with a detective in California and I've filed a report with the local PD. If any of you guys have any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I'm supposed to just let the detectives figure it out for now.

I've done a LOT of buying and selling online, so I consider myself to be pretty good at sniffing out frauds. This one completely blindsided me, though.

Ugh...


Dude that sucks!

DaFace
08-16-2006, 07:55 PM
I'll add real quickly that the detective that caught him is every bit as baffled as I am about why the guy would use all true information when scamming everyone.

Lzen
08-16-2006, 10:08 PM
I'll add real quickly that the detective that caught him is every bit as baffled as I am about why the guy would use all true information when scamming everyone.

Most criminals are stupid. That's why they're criminals.

DaFace
04-20-2007, 01:05 PM
After 8 months, I finally have an update on this situation for all of you who have been on the edge of your seats this whole time wondering what happened!

The guy plead guilty to a slew of fraud charges and has been sentenced to 32 months in prison plus a full restitution order. If he fails to pay any part of the restitution, they tack on an extra two years. So, I should get every penny back!

PBJ PBJ PBJ

Unfortunately, they haven't set a timeline for restitution payments yet, so I don't really have any idea when I can expect to see it. There's a separate hearing for that in a month, so hopefully I'll have a pretty good idea by then.

Anyway, I'm cautiously pumped up. I had pretty much given up on seeing any of my money again, and now it looks like there's a pretty good possibility that I'll get it all back unless the guy values his money more than he values life out of jail.

Rain Man
04-20-2007, 02:00 PM
Uh-oh. I guess I'd better start paying him with real checks soon.

ferrarispider95
04-20-2007, 02:14 PM
How many people and how much money did he take altogether?

Cochise
04-20-2007, 02:36 PM
I don't remember this but escrow would have been advisable.

DaFace
04-20-2007, 02:36 PM
How many people and how much money did he take altogether?

They won't tell me for some reason. My feeling based on conversations with the detective is that he got around 30 people. I know for a fact that mine was one of the highest in terms of dollar value. I'd guess that it totals around $50 grand or so.

DaFace
04-20-2007, 02:37 PM
I don't remember this but escrow would have been advisable.

Seems like I've heard that somewhere before...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3363753&postcount=27

Cochise
04-20-2007, 02:38 PM
Seems like I've heard that somewhere before...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3363753&postcount=27

Hey, what do you know ROFL

DaFace
09-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Final update. The case was only tried in a state court for who knows what reason, and the judge ruled that the court only had jurisdiction over the people who lost money in California. Essentially, I'll have to sue the bastard myself if I want to see a penny of it back. :deevee:

How many people and how much money did he take altogether?

In total, he took around $94,000, according to the detective (who is about as pissed as I am). Because of the above issue, he's only been ordered to pay about $10,000 in restitution.

It would be awesome to get the money back, but I'm starting to think it's not worth my time and effort to pursue suing a guy in jail 1,000 miles away when the chance are he'll never pay up anyway. I give up.

So how's your day?

carlos3652
09-20-2007, 03:13 PM
ouch...

Extra Point
09-20-2007, 03:14 PM
If it were me, I'd rather extract $4000 worth of various appendages in unique and painful ways from this douche when he gets out of jail.....

It would be worth the plane ride and expenses to buy a ball bat or a putter at a sporting goods store, walk up to him while he's putting his key in the door, and give him a minor facelift, a few broken ribs, and/or a bad ankle for life..

pr_capone
09-20-2007, 03:18 PM
Sorry to hear about the final outcome of this.

It really amazes me what people are willing to do and put others through just to make a quick buck.

Colorado Small Claims Court will give you up to $7500 seems like.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/pubed/brochures/smallclaimsweb.pdf

If you can take a day off of work, you should be able to get the court to award you the cash and you prolly would not even need a lawyer.

Worst case scenario, you get the award and he does not pay. Either way, he gets hit with another class 4 Felony, does even MORE time after his sentence in Cali, and he is ****ed for life when he applies for employment anywhere.

http://www.lawinfoboulder.com/areas_criminal_litigation/theft.html

Simplex3
09-20-2007, 03:22 PM
Sorry to hear about the final outcome of this.

It really amazes me what people are willing to do and put others through just to make a quick buck.

Colorado Small Claims Court will give you up to $7500 seems like.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/pubed/brochures/smallclaimsweb.pdf

If you can take a day off of work, you should be able to get the court to award you the cash and you prolly would not even need a lawyer.

Worst case scenario, you get the award and he does not pay. Either way, he gets hit with another class 4 Felony, does even MORE time after his sentence in Cali, and he is ****ed for life when he applies for employment anywhere.

http://www.lawinfoboulder.com/areas_criminal_litigation/theft.html
:clap:

rtmike
09-20-2007, 03:27 PM
I had $900 worth of airline tickets go unused cause they wouldn't let me change the dates. I was too late.
Sucks cause you're basically throwing the money out the window.

FAX
09-20-2007, 03:28 PM
Wow. Did you pay by CC?

FAX

DaFace
09-20-2007, 05:49 PM
Sorry to hear about the final outcome of this.

It really amazes me what people are willing to do and put others through just to make a quick buck.

Colorado Small Claims Court will give you up to $7500 seems like.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/pubed/brochures/smallclaimsweb.pdf

If you can take a day off of work, you should be able to get the court to award you the cash and you prolly would not even need a lawyer.

Worst case scenario, you get the award and he does not pay. Either way, he gets hit with another class 4 Felony, does even MORE time after his sentence in Cali, and he is ****ed for life when he applies for employment anywhere.

http://www.lawinfoboulder.com/areas_criminal_litigation/theft.html

I might look into it at some point. I do wonder if I would have to go through a Kansas court, though, since that's where I was at the time. :hmmm:

DaFace
09-20-2007, 05:49 PM
Wow. Did you pay by CC?

FAX

Heh...I wish.

underEJ
09-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Did he use the postal service for any part of the transaction? The Post Office has it's own police.

pr_capone
09-20-2007, 06:20 PM
I might look into it at some point. I do wonder if I would have to go through a Kansas court, though, since that's where I was at the time. :hmmm:

Kansas Small Claims limit is 4k. you are still gold there.

Also, if you sent him a check or MO via mail, he can also be hit with mail fraud, class A felony.

kstater
09-20-2007, 06:24 PM
Why can he only be charged in California. Wouldn't this fall into interstate category? Isn't that why the Fed's could go after Vick?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2007, 06:48 PM
Dude, that really, really sucks. I'm sorry.

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything off of Craigslist unless it was COD.

Ebay is so much safer, IMO.

Skip Towne
09-20-2007, 06:50 PM
Did he use the postal service for any part of the transaction? The Post Office has it's own police.
So does the phone company.

dtebbe
09-20-2007, 08:41 PM
He did you a favor, you didn't really want to sit with the wine & cheezers did you?

DT

DaFace
09-20-2007, 08:44 PM
He did you a favor, you didn't really want to sit with the wine & cheezers did you?

DT

Heh...I had other ideas for them, and it didn't involve me sitting in those seats. That brilliant idea sure worked out well...

Al Czervik
09-20-2007, 10:38 PM
Sorry to hear that DaFace....

Why dont you post this scumbag's picture for future reference?

That way, if I ever see him in my future travels, I will be sure to plant a baseball bat right across his forehead.

Buck
09-20-2007, 11:01 PM
Sorta similar thing happened to me when my car was totaled and the guy who hit me (and was definitely at fault) got away with it...I had no coverage on my own vehicle, yada yada yada...

It really sucks, but I'm over it now. In a way, I am better off now because I had to get a better job and well here I am.

Good Luck man.

dtebbe
09-20-2007, 11:04 PM
On the serious side, I have used escrow.com twice to do payment on high dollar, high risk transactions and everything went smooth. One was a transfer of season ticket rights.

DT

Buehler445
09-20-2007, 11:20 PM
That sucks, Face. I'm in favor of the bat vs. face. I'll go with if you wanna:D.

Anyway. You got my sympathy. I thought my deal with old lady Mable :cuss: was bad. You win this round.

Guru
09-20-2007, 11:24 PM
Gotta love our legal system. Screw helping the everyday average Joes.

RedThat
09-21-2007, 02:37 AM
Sorry to hear that man.

I hope you get your money back, and they put that scum in jail where he belongs.

I know how it feels to get scamed online, it happened to me before.

Bwana
09-21-2007, 07:41 AM
Sorry to hear that bud. Perhaps karma will catch up with him and he will catch a shank at his new home, resulting in an early dirt nap.

Boyceofsummer
09-21-2007, 09:20 AM
If it were me, I'd rather extract $4000 worth of various appendages in unique and painful ways from this douche when he gets out of jail.....