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Count Alex's Losses
08-20-2006, 09:23 AM
And two plays that show good players on defense.

Exhibit A is actually a starter. Fred Robbins crashes through the line virtually unblocked and stuffs LJ. Bober appears to fill his assignment correctly. Wiegmann and Shields look to have blown theirs. I think Shields was supposed to have blocked Robbins. Instead, he is left sort of waddling in limbo.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8144/shieldssucksue9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

On this play, we get to see how bad Eric Hicks sucks. Classic misdirection on a reverse that goes for 20 yards. All Hicks had to do was maintain outside containment, but he instead chose to plung into the line, where he wouldn't have done any good had the running back had the ball. Hicks could have stopped this play all by his lonesome. LOSER. To his credit, he did hustle downfield.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2972/hickssuckspv3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Guess who? HE'S BAAAAAAAAACK! On this play, the Giants run a simple counter play right at Hicks. For some odd reason, he chooses to rush upfield as if it was a pass. This creates a GIANT hole between Hicks and Ron Edwards. Derrick Johnson does a great job of stoning the fullback and slowing down Tiki, to no avail. Greg Wesley came up and made a nice tackle (not shown). Notice that Hicks had time to fight off his blocker and make the tackle, but was dominated like a bitch instead.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7941/hickssucks2ey4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Back to the offense. This is Chris Bober and Kevin Sampson. I call them "the ole! bros." They both get blown past here. Green still completes a 13-yard pass to Kennison (not shown), and gets clobbered in the process. Turley does a solid job here.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6519/sampsonsucksaw8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is our good buddy Bober, again. Green completes a pass to Parker, but not before Bober fails to pickup the blitz. Is Bober a double agent or something? Notice Ronnie Cruz stoning his blitzer, and then trying to make up for Bober. Green again clobbered.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5978/bobersucks2up0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is Sampson on 3rd and 16. He doesn't do a horrible job, but it's amsuing to watch Strahan send him flying with a shove. LJ does a great job against the blitz here. Green just didn't put enough mustard on this ball. Who can blame him when he's worried about getting clobbered?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9792/sampsonsucks3cf0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

OK. Enough doom and gloom. Time for a great play by Derrick Johnson. The Giants try to run a screen. Even though he dropped back in zone coverage at first and is way off the screen, DJ comes flying up out of nowhere and ankles the running back. Awesome play. DJ allows Surtain and Wilkerson to clean up.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8946/djcr0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is a draw play. Hicks blows right past his tackle...but he got suckered in. In his defense, Allen does the same thing, but it was 2nd and 3. They weren't going to throw the ball. Note to Hicks: You can't rush the passer, so when you feel yourself blowing past someone, you better check yourself. Also, the real culprit on this play is the Giants right guard holding Ron Edwards. Blatant holding.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4355/hickssucks3da1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is another good play. Wilkerson is in for Hicks, and shows why he should be the main backup. He blows past the right tackle, pressuring the Giants backup QB. James Reed then cleans up the play with a sack. BEAUTIFUL.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2439/wilkreedel0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Back to the O-line. Jordan Black is in for Will Shields. Sampson is still in. Sampson, Bober and Black are now "The Ole! Triplets." Black and Sampson get blown past and Printers runs for his life. RUN *****! RUN! I don't even know WTF Black is doing here. He just lets his guy go. Smart.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8981/blacksampsonev6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Last one. Black and Sampson are at it again. Justin Tuck, a DEFENSIVE END, splits them. Printers then runs for his life, again, and gets out of bounds. I hate to think what would happen if that was Croyle back there. It sort of looks like Sampson was going to block the guy blitzing, and let Tuck go. To his credit, he did a nice job with the blitzer. Black was lost without his buddy Sampson. OLE!

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6357/blacksampson2cc3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Ultra Peanut
08-20-2006, 09:28 AM
Exhibit two is a good example of how crappy Fox's graphics are.

jjjayb
08-20-2006, 09:29 AM
Great use of gifs. Thanks.

Ultra Peanut
08-20-2006, 09:37 AM
Great thread, by the way. You are now required to break down key plays in every game, from here on out.

Bober and Hicks are godawful.

the Talking Can
08-20-2006, 09:51 AM
love the thread, hate Hicks and half of our OL

noa
08-20-2006, 09:52 AM
Great clips. I'm going to try to forget all of the clips involving Hicks, Sampson, and Black and just remember that awesome play where DJ faces 4 Giants and still makes the stop.

Count Alex's Losses
08-20-2006, 09:55 AM
I just think Hali and Waters will make a big difference.

OldTownChief
08-20-2006, 09:58 AM
Wow... #8 is pathetic. It's like Black is afraid of contact.

milkman
08-20-2006, 10:03 AM
I think a couple of those clips illustrate how important communication is on the line, and how much line play suffers without that communication.

Guys simply didn't appear to know who they were supposed to be blocking.

Fairplay
08-20-2006, 10:08 AM
This is an awesome post Gochiefs.

I was intrigued at studying the plays.

Then saddened as o-linemen pointed out in the video scamble around like they never played a down of football before.

Then mad because are coaching staff should not be letting plays like this happen.

Florida_Bronco
08-20-2006, 10:24 AM
And two plays that show good players on defense.

Exhibit A is actually a starter. Fred Robbins crashes through the line virtually unblocked and stuffs LJ. Bober appears to fill his assignment correctly. Wiegmann and Shields look to have blown theirs. I think Shields was supposed to have blocked Robbins. Instead, he is left sort of waddling in limbo.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8144/shieldssucksue9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

On this play, we get to see how bad Eric Hicks sucks. Classic misdirection on a reverse that goes for 20 yards. All Hicks had to do was maintain outside containment, but he instead chose to plung into the line, where he wouldn't have done any good had the running back had the ball. Hicks could have stopped this play all by his lonesome. LOSER. To his credit, he did hustle downfield.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2972/hickssuckspv3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Guess who? HE'S BAAAAAAAAACK! On this play, the Giants run a simple counter play right at Hicks. For some odd reason, he chooses to rush upfield as if it was a pass. This creates a GIANT hole between Hicks and Ron Edwards. Derrick Johnson does a great job of stoning the fullback and slowing down Tiki, to no avail. Greg Wesley came up and made a nice tackle (not shown). Notice that Hicks had time to fight off his blocker and make the tackle, but was dominated like a bitch instead.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7941/hickssucks2ey4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Back to the offense. This is Chris Bober and Kevin Sampson. I call them "the ole! bros." They both get blown past here. Green still completes a 13-yard pass to Kennison (not shown), and gets clobbered in the process. Turley does a solid job here.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6519/sampsonsucksaw8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is our good buddy Bober, again. Green completes a pass to Parker, but not before Bober fails to pickup the blitz. Is Bober a double agent or something? Notice Ronnie Cruz stoning his blitzer, and then trying to make up for Bober. Green again clobbered.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5978/bobersucks2up0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is Sampson on 3rd and 16. He doesn't do a horrible job, but it's amsuing to watch Strahan send him flying with a shove. LJ does a great job against the blitz here. Green just didn't put enough mustard on this ball. Who can blame him when he's worried about getting clobbered?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9792/sampsonsucks3cf0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

OK. Enough doom and gloom. Time for a great play by Derrick Johnson. The Giants try to run a screen. Even though he dropped back in zone coverage at first and is way off the screen, DJ comes flying up out of nowhere and ankles the running back. Awesome play. DJ allows Surtain and Wilkerson to clean up.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8946/djcr0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is a draw play. Hicks blows right past his tackle...but he got suckered in. In his defense, Allen does the same thing, but it was 2nd and 3. They weren't going to throw the ball. Note to Hicks: You can't rush the passer, so when you feel yourself blowing past someone, you better check yourself. Also, the real culprit on this play is the Giants right guard holding Ron Edwards. Blatant holding.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4355/hickssucks3da1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is another good play. Wilkerson is in for Hicks, and shows why he should be the main backup. He blows past the right tackle, pressuring the Giants backup QB. James Reed then cleans up the play with a sack. BEAUTIFUL.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2439/wilkreedel0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Back to the O-line. Jordan Black is in for Will Shields. Sampson is still in. Sampson, Bober and Black are now "The Ole! Triplets." Black and Sampson get blown past and Printers runs for his life. RUN *****! RUN! I don't even know WTF Black is doing here. He just lets his guy go. Smart.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8981/blacksampsonev6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Last one. Black and Sampson are at it again. Justin Tuck, a DEFENSIVE END, splits them. Printers then runs for his life, again, and gets out of bounds. I hate to think what would happen if that was Croyle back there. It sort of looks like Sampson was going to block the guy blitzing, and let Tuck go. To his credit, he did a nice job with the blitzer. Black was lost without his buddy Sampson. OLE!

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6357/blacksampson2cc3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Damn Bob, that's a pretty good breakdown...hell we can barely even tell you've never played football before! :)

In all seriousness, this is a good breakdown. You keep this shit up and I won't be able to make fun of you for only knowing stats.

Chiefless
08-20-2006, 10:25 AM
Hicks has no feel for the game. You can count on him taking the bait EVERY SINGLE TIME.

milkman
08-20-2006, 10:28 AM
Hey, Florida, was actually neccessary to qoute GC's post to make you're comments?

stevieray
08-20-2006, 10:34 AM
Hey, Florida, was actually neccessary to qoute GC's post to make you're comments?

What did you expect?, he is an Invesco fan.

TinyEvel
08-20-2006, 10:48 AM
Dude, great, great post, and analysis. Tese are a lot of the plays I wore out my TiVo slo-mo button on, too.

The really pathetic broad strokes thing to look at is, on our bad O plays, the entire line moves backward instantly from the snap. Especially in #'s 4, 5, and 6. Look how they are shuffling backward even before there's contact in #4.
ON $5 it looks like Bober is busy double-teaming the DT with Weigman, rather than block the LB coming in. If he had seen the LB coming sooner, he could have possibly stuffed him and Cruz would have hit the other one.

I sure hope they're wearing their eyes out watching this at Arrowhead.

Count Alex's Losses
08-20-2006, 10:54 AM
The really pathetic broad strokes thing to look at is, on our bad O plays, the entire line moves backward instantly from the snap.

That's called 'pass blocking.'

Bowser
08-20-2006, 10:56 AM
Very nice, and good analysis.

StcChief
08-20-2006, 11:00 AM
excellent

carlos3652
08-20-2006, 11:15 AM
nice job man...

jspchief
08-20-2006, 11:17 AM
Those Hicks clips reinforce what I said in my "rewatching the game (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=145826)" thread.

Hick's is simply football stupid. On that reverse, he immediately pursues the play-action, ignoring the fact that even if it is a run he'll have little or no impact on the play.

The comparisons of a dog chasing a stick are spot on. Even when you pretend to throw the stick, you know the dog is going to take off running.

god I hope we cut his ass. I'm tired of watching 9 years of this shit from him.

sedated
08-20-2006, 11:22 AM
This is our good buddy Bober, again. Green completes a pass to Parker, but not before Bober fails to pickup the blitz. Is Bober a double agent or something? Notice Ronnie Cruz stoning his blitzer, and then trying to make up for Bober. Green again clobbered.

that play was Cruz's fault.

they blitzed 2 guys through the same gap.

Bober came off his double team, chipped the outter-most blitzer, and took the inner blitzer.

Cruz shuld have taken the outer-blitzer, but him an Bober both ended up on the same guy.

Cruz's fault

(EDIT: well, it was both of their fault. miscommunication against a well-run blitz)

jspchief
08-20-2006, 11:26 AM
that play was Cruz's fault.

they blitzed 2 guys through the same gap.

Bober came off his double team, chipped the outter-most blitzer, and took the inner blitzer.

Cruz shuld have taken the outer-blitzer, but him an Bober both ended up on the same guy.

Cruz's faultI disagree.

Bober's first mistake was trying to double team Weigmann's guy, which instantly put him out of position fill his gap against the first blitzer. He didn't chip him, he touched him. Had he remained in his gap, he could have picked up the first guy, allowing Cruz to pick up the second.

To be fair it was a well designed delayed blitz. But the difference between good linemen and bad is the intelligence or athleticism to pick those types of plays up.

sedated
08-20-2006, 11:27 AM
it seems sampson simply does not have the feet to play OTackle, not at this point

Adept Havelock
08-20-2006, 11:27 AM
Those Hicks clips reinforce what I said in my "rewatching the game (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=145826)" thread.

Hick's is simply football stupid. On that reverse, he immediately pursues the play-action, ignoring the fact that even if it is a run he'll have little or no impact on the play.

The comparisons of a dog chasing a stick are spot on. Even when you pretend to throw the stick, you know the dog is going to take off running.

god I hope we cut his ass. I'm tired of watching 9 years of this shit from him.


But...but..he had umpteen sacks his rookie year. He just needs to develop his......yeah, cut his ass. As long as it doesn't screw the cap too badly.

Count Alex's Losses
08-20-2006, 11:28 AM
I'm willing to cut Sampson some slack at this point. He has barely played this game at the NFL level, and he was going against a hall-of-fame DE. We'll see how he does in the last two games.

I hope Svitek gets some looks at RT.

milkman
08-20-2006, 11:29 AM
that play was Cruz's fault.

they blitzed 2 guys through the same gap.

Bober came off his double team, chipped the outter-most blitzer, and took the inner blitzer.

Cruz shuld have taken the outer-blitzer, but him an Bober both ended up on the same guy.

Cruz's fault

(EDIT: well, it was both of their fault. miscommunication against a well-run blitz)

I disagree.

Cruz took on the first blitzer to bust through the line.

Bober's chip only slightly slowed that blitzer down.

If Cruz ignores him and takes on the second blitzer, Green would have been planted to the turf before he had the opportunity to get that pass off unhindered.

(EDIT)Damn that jsp guy!

sedated
08-20-2006, 11:30 AM
I disagree.

Bober's first mistake was trying to double team Weigmann's guy, which instantly put him out of position fill his gap against the first blitzer. He didn't chip him, he touched him. Had he remained in his gap, he could have picked up the first guy, allowing Cruz to pick up the second.

To be fair it was a well designed delayed blitz. But the difference between good linemen and bad is the intelligence or athleticism to pick those types of plays up.

yeah, had bober picked up the first guy, Cruz wouldn'r have been left trying to stop 2.

sedated
08-20-2006, 11:32 AM
I disagree.

Cruz took on the first blitzer to bust through the line.

Bober's chip only slightly slowed that blitzer down.

If Cruz ignores him and takes on the second blitzer, Green would have been planted to the turf before he had the opportunity to get that pass off unhindered.

okay, okay...I was wrong. I admit it.

thank you kind sirs for bitch slapping my analysis.

let me resume my spot at the children's table

Bwana
08-20-2006, 11:33 AM
The comparisons of a dog chasing a stick are spot on. Even when you pretend to throw the stick, you know the dog is going to take off running.


Very well said and so true. The guy had one good year back when the crust of the earth was cooling and he has been milking that for years. There is not one reasonable explanation I can phantom regarding why he remains on the team other than my standing theory that he has pictures of Carl engaged in some kind of barnyard porn or something along those lines.

Lets hope Herm has he sack to kick him to the curb.

FringeNC
08-20-2006, 11:34 AM
Those Hicks clips reinforce what I said in my "rewatching the game (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=145826)" thread.

Hick's is simply football stupid. On that reverse, he immediately pursues the play-action, ignoring the fact that even if it is a run he'll have little or no impact on the play.

The comparisons of a dog chasing a stick are spot on. Even when you pretend to throw the stick, you know the dog is going to take off running.

god I hope we cut his ass. I'm tired of watching 9 years of this shit from him.

Until I see Hali play misdirection stuff correctly, I am not convinced that it isn't poor coaching. Isn't this crap pointed out to Hicks when viewing game film?

Ugly Duck
08-20-2006, 11:36 AM
Whoa.... GoChiefs, very impressive post. Maybe you're more with it than I previously gave you credit for. Respect. Bloodfire.

milkman
08-20-2006, 11:37 AM
Very well said and so true. The guy had one good year back when the crust of the earth was cooling and he has been milking that for years. There is not one reasonable explanation I can phantom regarding why he remains on the team other than my standing theory that he has pictures of Carl engaged in some kind of barnyard porn or something along those lines.

Lets hope Herm has he sack to kick him to the curb.

I resent that characterization!

(Or is it, I resemble that? :hmmm: )

:)

jspchief
08-20-2006, 11:37 AM
Until I see Hali play misdirection stuff correctly, I am not convinced that it isn't poor coaching. Isn't this crap pointed out to Hicks when viewing game film?A coach can't force Hicks to do anything once the whistle blows. My guess is Hicks hears about it every tiem it happens, that doesn't mean he's smart enough to absorb it.

I agree that we have no real way of knowing if it's coaching or the player, but I have a hard time believing that the coach is telling his players to bite on misdirection.

Count Alex's Losses
08-20-2006, 11:38 AM
Whoa.... GoChiefs, very impressive post. Maybe you're more with it than I previously gave you credit for. Respect. Bloodfire.

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milkman
08-20-2006, 11:41 AM
Until I see Hali play misdirection stuff correctly, I am not convinced that it isn't poor coaching. Isn't this crap pointed out to Hicks when viewing game film?

I think it's a combination of both.

I think Gunt is far more clueless tham we give him credit for.
But as a veteran that has been Rovered by misdirection more in the last 8 years or so than just about any other player, Hicks should have learned SOMETHING by now, regardless.

sedated
08-20-2006, 11:48 AM
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Florida_Bronco
08-20-2006, 12:52 PM
Hey, Florida, was actually neccessary to qoute GC's post to make you're comments?

My bad, it's just habit I guess.

Pitt Gorilla
08-20-2006, 12:57 PM
This is an interesting thread. Hicks is not a good football player; few would argue. However, they used to run crap like this at DT all the time. DT would fly up the field and the other team would run the ball where he should have been. Also, I imagine Hicks gets tired of the other team running up the middle on our D-tackles and feels he has to crash to help. I'm not saying it's right, but it probably happens.

Even if that is the case, Hicks needs to go.

Psyko Tek
08-20-2006, 01:39 PM
great post go chiefs

I gotta think it's a communication proble with the O-line
looked like they were chipping and expecting someone elcse to pick up

BUT,
I bet they look great in practice against our D-line

The Dude Abides
08-20-2006, 01:40 PM
Great job! Great! Hicks has to at least be demoted. Period. But great job on the post!

cdcox
08-20-2006, 02:00 PM
On this play, we get to see how bad Eric Hicks sucks. Classic misdirection on a reverse that goes for 20 yards. All Hicks had to do was maintain outside containment, but he instead chose to plung into the line, where he wouldn't have done any good had the running back had the ball. Hicks could have stopped this play all by his lonesome. LOSER. To his credit, he did hustle downfield.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2972/hickssuckspv3.gif (http://imageshack.us)



Actually it is a lot worse than you mention. Not only does Hicks blow his assignment, but he crashes into our DT, which frees the Giant's center (who no longer has to block the DT, to block down field). Hicks changed it from 11 on 11 to 10 on 12. Just disastrous.

I noticed the hold on the draw play during live action. That was one of the most blatent holds I ever saw. The umpire might have been screened but I don't see how the ref missed it.

Great thread!

GoHuge
08-20-2006, 02:12 PM
Great post. Thanks for that!

Count Alex's Losses
08-20-2006, 05:46 PM
cdcox...that is awful.

I hope Hali changes all this.

Demonpenz
08-20-2006, 05:54 PM
And two plays that show good players on defense.

Exhibit A is actually a starter. Fred Robbins crashes through the line virtually unblocked and stuffs LJ. Bober appears to fill his assignment correctly. Wiegmann and Shields look to have blown theirs. I think Shields was supposed to have blocked Robbins. Instead, he is left sort of waddling in limbo.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8144/shieldssucksue9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

On this play, we get to see how bad Eric Hicks sucks. Classic misdirection on a reverse that goes for 20 yards. All Hicks had to do was maintain outside containment, but he instead chose to plung into the line, where he wouldn't have done any good had the running back had the ball. Hicks could have stopped this play all by his lonesome. LOSER. To his credit, he did hustle downfield.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2972/hickssuckspv3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Guess who? HE'S BAAAAAAAAACK! On this play, the Giants run a simple counter play right at Hicks. For some odd reason, he chooses to rush upfield as if it was a pass. This creates a GIANT hole between Hicks and Ron Edwards. Derrick Johnson does a great job of stoning the fullback and slowing down Tiki, to no avail. Greg Wesley came up and made a nice tackle (not shown). Notice that Hicks had time to fight off his blocker and make the tackle, but was dominated like a bitch instead.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7941/hickssucks2ey4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Back to the offense. This is Chris Bober and Kevin Sampson. I call them "the ole! bros." They both get blown past here. Green still completes a 13-yard pass to Kennison (not shown), and gets clobbered in the process. Turley does a solid job here.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6519/sampsonsucksaw8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is our good buddy Bober, again. Green completes a pass to Parker, but not before Bober fails to pickup the blitz. Is Bober a double agent or something? Notice Ronnie Cruz stoning his blitzer, and then trying to make up for Bober. Green again clobbered.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5978/bobersucks2up0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is Sampson on 3rd and 16. He doesn't do a horrible job, but it's amsuing to watch Strahan send him flying with a shove. LJ does a great job against the blitz here. Green just didn't put enough mustard on this ball. Who can blame him when he's worried about getting clobbered?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9792/sampsonsucks3cf0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

OK. Enough doom and gloom. Time for a great play by Derrick Johnson. The Giants try to run a screen. Even though he dropped back in zone coverage at first and is way off the screen, DJ comes flying up out of nowhere and ankles the running back. Awesome play. DJ allows Surtain and Wilkerson to clean up.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8946/djcr0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is a draw play. Hicks blows right past his tackle...but he got suckered in. In his defense, Allen does the same thing, but it was 2nd and 3. They weren't going to throw the ball. Note to Hicks: You can't rush the passer, so when you feel yourself blowing past someone, you better check yourself. Also, the real culprit on this play is the Giants right guard holding Ron Edwards. Blatant holding.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4355/hickssucks3da1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

This is another good play. Wilkerson is in for Hicks, and shows why he should be the main backup. He blows past the right tackle, pressuring the Giants backup QB. James Reed then cleans up the play with a sack. BEAUTIFUL.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2439/wilkreedel0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Back to the O-line. Jordan Black is in for Will Shields. Sampson is still in. Sampson, Bober and Black are now "The Ole! Triplets." Black and Sampson get blown past and Printers runs for his life. RUN *****! RUN! I don't even know WTF Black is doing here. He just lets his guy go. Smart.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8981/blacksampsonev6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Last one. Black and Sampson are at it again. Justin Tuck, a DEFENSIVE END, splits them. Printers then runs for his life, again, and gets out of bounds. I hate to think what would happen if that was Croyle back there. It sort of looks like Sampson was going to block the guy blitzing, and let Tuck go. To his credit, he did a nice job with the blitzer. Black was lost without his buddy Sampson. OLE!

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6357/blacksampson2cc3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

yep

milkman
08-20-2006, 05:59 PM
yep

That was insightful.

And it would have been so much less insightful without quoting GC's entire post.

Demonpenz
08-20-2006, 06:02 PM
And two plays that show good players on defense.

Exhibit A is actually a starter. Fred Robbins crashes through the line virtually unblocked and stuffs LJ. Bober appears to fill his assignment correctly. Wiegmann and Shields look to have blown theirs. I think Shields was supposed to have blocked Robbins. Instead, he is left sort of waddling in limbo.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8144/shieldssucksue9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

On this play, we get to see how bad Eric Hicks sucks. Classic misdirection on a reverse that goes for 20 yards. All Hicks had to do was maintain outside containment, but he instead chose to plung into the line, where he wouldn't have done any good had the running back had the ball. Hicks could have stopped this play all by his lonesome. LOSER. To his credit, he did hustle downfield.


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Guess who? HE'S BAAAAAAAAACK! On this play, the Giants run a simple counter play right at Hicks. For some odd reason, he chooses to rush upfield as if it was a pass. This creates a GIANT hole between Hicks and Ron Edwards. Derrick Johnson does a great job of stoning the fullback and slowing down Tiki, to no avail. Greg Wesley came up and made a nice tackle (not shown). Notice that Hicks had time to fight off his blocker and make the tackle, but was dominated like a bitch instead.

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Back to the offense. This is Chris Bober and Kevin Sampson. I call them "the ole! bros." They both get blown past here. Green still completes a 13-yard pass to Kennison (not shown), and gets clobbered in the process. Turley does a solid job here.

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This is our good buddy Bober, again. Green completes a pass to Parker, but not before Bober fails to pickup the blitz. Is Bober a double agent or something? Notice Ronnie Cruz stoning his blitzer, and then trying to make up for Bober. Green again clobbered.

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This is Sampson on 3rd and 16. He doesn't do a horrible job, but it's amsuing to watch Strahan send him flying with a shove. LJ does a great job against the blitz here. Green just didn't put enough mustard on this ball. Who can blame him when he's worried about getting clobbered?

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OK. Enough doom and gloom. Time for a great play by Derrick Johnson. The Giants try to run a screen. Even though he dropped back in zone coverage at first and is way off the screen, DJ comes flying up out of nowhere and ankles the running back. Awesome play. DJ allows Surtain and Wilkerson to clean up.

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This is a draw play. Hicks blows right past his tackle...but he got suckered in. In his defense, Allen does the same thing, but it was 2nd and 3. They weren't going to throw the ball. Note to Hicks: You can't rush the passer, so when you feel yourself blowing past someone, you better check yourself. Also, the real culprit on this play is the Giants right guard holding Ron Edwards. Blatant holding.

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This is another good play. Wilkerson is in for Hicks, and shows why he should be the main backup. He blows past the right tackle, pressuring the Giants backup QB. James Reed then cleans up the play with a sack. BEAUTIFUL.

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Back to the O-line. Jordan Black is in for Will Shields. Sampson is still in. Sampson, Bober and Black are now "The Ole! Triplets." Black and Sampson get blown past and Printers runs for his life. RUN *****! RUN! I don't even know WTF Black is doing here. He just lets his guy go. Smart.

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Last one. Black and Sampson are at it again. Justin Tuck, a DEFENSIVE END, splits them. Printers then runs for his life, again, and gets out of bounds. I hate to think what would happen if that was Croyle back there. It sort of looks like Sampson was going to block the guy blitzing, and let Tuck go. To his credit, he did a nice job with the blitzer. Black was lost without his buddy Sampson. OLE!

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sorry

Chief Roundup
08-20-2006, 06:10 PM
I don't like Hicks as a starter but I do think he is decent depth. We all know he is conditioned to automaticly know that our DT's suck.
I also think Hicks is a perfect study in not trusting your teammates to make the play therefore he is crashing down to quick instead of staying put and then cutting to the backside of the D-line.

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htismaqe
08-21-2006, 09:06 AM
Awesome thread.

Lzen
08-21-2006, 09:24 AM
I think a couple of those clips illustrate how important communication is on the line, and how much line play suffers without that communication.

Guys simply didn't appear to know who they were supposed to be blocking.


Very good post. This is exactly what I've been thinking. Offensive lines have to work as a unit. That is especially true against a team like the Giants who were obviously using a multitude of different blitz packages. Olinemen have to be able to trust the guys lined up next to them. If they don't, it ends up like that game. Obviously, these guys are still learning to trust each other. It'll also help a lot when Waters comes back. Hopefully, our starting QB doesn't get killed before then.

Lzen
08-21-2006, 09:29 AM
I disagree.

Bober's first mistake was trying to double team Weigmann's guy, which instantly put him out of position fill his gap against the first blitzer. He didn't chip him, he touched him. Had he remained in his gap, he could have picked up the first guy, allowing Cruz to pick up the second.

To be fair it was a well designed delayed blitz. But the difference between good linemen and bad is the intelligence or athleticism to pick those types of plays up.

Actually, Bober was okay with trying to help Weigman. His problem was that he didn't react nearly fast enough to the delayed blitz. Either way, we agree that it was Bober's recognition (or lack thereof) that was the problem on this play.

Lzen
08-21-2006, 09:38 AM
But...but..he had umpteen sacks his rookie year. He just needs to develop his......yeah, cut his ass. As long as it doesn't screw the cap too badly.

Actually, it wasn't his rookie year. If I remember correctly, Hicks was drafted in 1998. He had his big 14 sack season in 2000. Since then, it's been all downhill.
:shake:

I would have no problem with cutting him if, like you said, it doesn't screw the cap too badly. If it would cause problems with the cap, demote him to 3rd string until we can cut him next year or whenever.

Lzen
08-21-2006, 09:44 AM
Actually it is a lot worse than you mention. Not only does Hicks blow his assignment, but he crashes into our DT, which frees the Giant's center (who no longer has to block the DT, to block down field). Hicks changed it from 11 on 11 to 10 on 12. Just disastrous.

I noticed the hold on the draw play during live action. That was one of the most blatent holds I ever saw. The umpire might have been screened but I don't see how the ref missed it.

Great thread!


Wow, I didn't even think about him knocking his own teamate out of the play. Nice job, cdcox.

Lono
08-21-2006, 11:04 AM
Black looks like he has no clue what blocking scheme they are in. The whole line is sliding to the right and he doesnt slide. He should have just passed the crashing end down and stayed in his gap to account for the blitzing LB. It looked like he thought he would get help from the rb.

Inspector
08-21-2006, 11:41 AM
Outstanding GoChiefs!

I wish you could show the coaches how you do this so they could see what we get to see.

Great stuff.

Count Alex's Losses
08-21-2006, 11:46 AM
I'm sure the coaching staff sees all of this on tape.

J Diddy
08-21-2006, 12:04 PM
Yeah man. This is a good post.

MOhillbilly
08-21-2006, 12:19 PM
in the 2nd play thats whomever is playing the two DT positions missed assignment.
When the gaurd pulls its his(left DT) responsibility to shoot that gap on the left. its the rt job to stuff the pulling gaurd.
hicks actually was playing read(ass were all the lineman and reacted the exact way he was supposed to)

MOhillbilly
08-21-2006, 12:26 PM
Those Hicks clips reinforce what I said in my "rewatching the game (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=145826)" thread.

Hick's is simply football stupid. On that reverse, he immediately pursues the play-action, ignoring the fact that even if it is a run he'll have little or no impact on the play.

The comparisons of a dog chasing a stick are spot on. Even when you pretend to throw the stick, you know the dog is going to take off running.

god I hope we cut his ass. I'm tired of watching 9 years of this shit from him.

more telling is where he cuts up to fill backside contain and gets ridden out of the play & opens a hole a 747 could run through.
Horrid - horrid reaction skills.

Calcountry
08-21-2006, 12:53 PM
Hicks might as well just drop back into coverage.

Chiefnj
08-22-2006, 02:47 PM
Go Chiefs,

I was wondering if you could add two more vid clips.

The first deals with the Chiefs lack of success blitzing.

It was on the Giants first drive on the incomplete pass to Toomer with Law covering. DJ lines up on the RG and telegraphs a blitz. A lot of people complain about the Chiefs telegraphing blitzes, but in this case it was done on purpose. At the snap of the ball DJ hits the RG and attempts to occupy him and move him toward the inside. Mitchell is supposed to run into the hole created by DJ and the DE going outside drawing the RT outside. Unfortunately, DJ doesn't engage the lineman and he sheds the block and Mitchell takes a poor angle and virtually runs into the RG who has effectively blocked both blitzers single handedly. Even though it was an incomplete pass, there was no pressure from the blitz and the two best LB's executed the play very poorly.

The second clip was on Barber's five yard run to the left on the first drive. Jared Allen gets pancaked, bad, and ends up 4 yards behind the LOS on his back. It was hard to see originally but when I watched the drive again, I said wow - he got his but kicked.