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DaFace
08-27-2006, 07:27 PM
As some of you may already know, I've been working on coming up with a way that people who don't live in the local broadcasting area can watch games via the internet when they're not broadcasted nationally. The problem is that you need upload bandwidth to broadcast video, so it's hard to do it with more than a couple people.

I think I may have a possible solution - a program that works like BitTorrent, but for streaming video. Each person who watches the video also sends it out to others. The result would be that there would be NO LIMIT to the number who could watch the game!

Unfortunately, I need people to mess with it to try it out to see if it will work like I think it will. If you're interested, I've got the stream going on NFL network, and I'll leave it going pretty much all night. I'd appreciate it if some of you who are a little adventurous will try this out and let me know how it works!

Here are the instructions:
1. Download the Sopcast player by clicking here (http://download.sopcast.com/download/SopCast.zip).
2. Install and run the program.
3. The first thing you'll see when you open the program is a login screen. Just leave it set to "Login as anonymous" and hit "Login" at the bottom.
4. In the address bar at the top, type in the following, then hit enter (or the arrow):
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/10335
5. It may take a while to buffer, but after a bit you should be getting video. Let me know how it goes!

Notes:
-There will be a fairly significant delay from "live" since the video is being sent all over the place. That sucks, but it would be better than nothing for those who can't watch the games.
-I'm open to suggestions if anyone out there has done this with any other program.

Thanks to anyone who helps out. If this works, we may have a way to help a lot of CPers out!

JBucc
08-27-2006, 07:30 PM
I'll try to do it

Halfcan
08-27-2006, 07:31 PM
sounds complicated

Halfcan
08-27-2006, 07:32 PM
I would try it but my computer sucks and would crash.

DaFace
08-27-2006, 07:32 PM
sounds complicated

It's not near as bad as you'd think. The simple instructions are:
1. Download and install the program.
2. Login as anonymous.
3. Go to the address above. Done!

grandllama
08-27-2006, 07:38 PM
seems to work fine from here... very simple

Smed1065
08-27-2006, 07:41 PM
Ok I "ll try it.

It took me about 3 mins to buffer after commercial and up and running. Better picture than a stream I had last night. Takes a minute to stabilize but not cutting out yet.

JBucc
08-27-2006, 07:42 PM
It won't let me log in

DaFace
08-27-2006, 07:43 PM
It won't let me log in

Just log in as anonymous. :D

JBucc
08-27-2006, 07:46 PM
Just log in as anonymous. :DI am. It says it can't connect to the sop network

DaFace
08-27-2006, 07:50 PM
I am. It says it can't connect to the sop network

Oh. In that case, you might try disabling any firewalls you have on your computer. Other than that, I'll have to look into it. Thanks for trying!

big nasty kcnut
08-27-2006, 07:54 PM
It's awesome daface got it and watching football.

Deberg_1990
08-27-2006, 07:55 PM
This is awesome. Working pretty good for me right now! Thanks alot Daface. Hopefully it works during the regualr season.

DaFace
08-27-2006, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the input, guys. Feel free to watch all night. The more people on, the more realistic a test it will be.

Deberg_1990
08-27-2006, 07:59 PM
Looks like its about 90 seconds behind the real broadcast. I have it on side by side with my TV.

Guru
08-27-2006, 08:02 PM
Why do I think there is a big legality problem here of broadcasting a program while it is live. Torrents are one thing but a live broadcast?

DaFace
08-27-2006, 08:02 PM
Looks like its about 90 seconds behind the real broadcast. I have it on side by side with my TV.

Yeah, I figured it would be pretty significant. I wonder if the delay gets larger as more people connect... :hmmm:

greg63
08-27-2006, 08:04 PM
Why do I think there is a big legality problem here of broadcasting a program while it is live. Torrents are one thing but a live broadcast?

Yeah, but it does sound pretty cool.

big nasty kcnut
08-27-2006, 08:09 PM
It's legal as long as you don't rebrocast the game on a differant night.

DaFace
08-27-2006, 08:14 PM
Eh, I don't know the legalities of it, but I'm not too worried about it. I'd imagine their main concern would be someone making a profit on it. Since I'm broadcasting it out for free with the commercials intact, I can't imagine anyone minding too much. However, if a network official contacts me and asks me to take it down, I will do so without question. Until then...

Guru
08-27-2006, 08:15 PM
It's legal as long as you don't rebrocast the game on a differant night.
How is it legal if you are taking a signal from a cable pay network like NFL Network and broadcasting it for free over the internet?

I don't see the NFL losing that battle at all. Slam dunk case.

DaFace
08-27-2006, 08:17 PM
How is it legal if you are taking a signal from a cable pay network like NFL Network and broadcasting it for free over the internet?

You have a point there. Fortunately, all of the non-national games will be on cable. I don't know that your argument would hold as strongly there.

Guru
08-27-2006, 08:19 PM
You have a point there. Fortunately, all of the non-national games will be on cable. I don't know that your argument would hold as strongly there.


don't get me wrong. I love to see people trying to beat the system. Just would hate to see any fellow planeteers get in trouble.

NFL16
08-27-2006, 08:21 PM
I downloaded the program and can see the game fine and in pretty good quality too.

Only problem is that I have no sound... anyone else getting that?

DaFace
08-27-2006, 08:21 PM
don't get me wrong. I love to see people trying to beat the system. Just would hate to see any fellow planeteers get in trouble.

Yeah, I understand. Like I said, I can't imagine a network getting pissed off enough to do anything other than ask me to take it down. As I said, if that happens, I'll do so without question. :D

SPchief
08-27-2006, 08:25 PM
works fine for me

JBucc
08-27-2006, 08:27 PM
this is poop

DaFace
08-27-2006, 08:31 PM
this is poop

Give me some details on your setup. Are you at home? On a school or work connection? What type of virus/firewall software are you using?

As far as I know, the program needs to have port 3912 open, but that's it. However, if you're on any kind of institutional connection, I know there are some who block this type of program.

JBucc
08-27-2006, 08:40 PM
Give me some details on your setup. Are you at home? On a school or work connection? What type of virus/firewall software are you using?

As far as I know, the program needs to have port 3912 open, but that's it. However, if you're on any kind of institutional connection, I know there are some who block this type of program.I'm on a brand new laptop and I'm using the norton anitvirus thing that came with it.(until the subscription runs out) It's on a wireless network at school. I turned the windows firewall off btw. How do I make sure 3912 is open?

Mr. Laz
08-27-2006, 08:42 PM
setup was simple


works for me


if you have the Scotty program you have to agree to unblock it.


pictures a little choppy ... but working good. :thumb:

Mr. Laz
08-27-2006, 08:44 PM
I'm on a brand new laptop and I'm using the norton anitvirus thing that came with it.(until the subscription runs out) It's on a wireless network at school. I turned the windows firewall off btw. How do I make sure 3912 is open?
windows firewall or zone alarm shouldn't bother with it ... it will just ask for access.

it's the wireless network i imagine.

Mr. Laz
08-27-2006, 08:46 PM
how'd ya get the signal from your cable to your computer, Face?

Skip Towne
08-27-2006, 08:48 PM
Yeah, I understand. Like I said, I can't imagine a network getting pissed off enough to do anything other than ask me to take it down. As I said, if that happens, I'll do so without question. :D
I hope you get away with it. But I'm betting you get a letter if they find out about it. The broadcast rights to the games are worth millions. Good luck!!!

Guru
08-27-2006, 08:50 PM
I hope you get away with it. But I'm betting you get a letter if they find out about it. The broadcast rights to the games are worth millions. Good luck!!!


I wondered what your stance on it would be Skip.

JBucc
08-27-2006, 08:57 PM
ok, I switched from the wireless network to a normal wired one and it works now. THX DaFace

Mr. Laz
08-27-2006, 08:59 PM
ok, I switched from the wireless network to a normal wired one and it works now. THX DaFace
where the "thanks laz" for telling ya it's the wireless?!?


ungrateful bastige ....... :cuss:














:) :p

JBucc
08-27-2006, 09:00 PM
Oh yeah thx liz

DaFace
08-27-2006, 09:00 PM
how'd ya get the signal from your cable to your computer, Face?

RCA out from the tuner into a video card with RCA in ports. Nothin special.

Mr. Laz
08-27-2006, 09:02 PM
RCA out from the tuner into a video card with RCA in ports. Nothin special.
looks like you have a pretty decent capture card considering all its going through, the signal is pretty good.

Mr. Laz
08-27-2006, 09:04 PM
liz
:mad: :mad:


:banghead:




~may the flies from a thousand camels infest your anus~

DaFace
08-27-2006, 09:08 PM
looks like you have a pretty decent capture card considering all its going through, the signal is pretty good.

Eh, it's actually pretty crappy. Just an old Rage Fury Pro (32mb card from 5 years ago). The video quality is decent because I've got the bitrate pretty high, but if you try and watch stuff full screen it's pretty blurry.

DaFace
08-27-2006, 09:14 PM
Alright, I'm cutting the stream for tonight. It seems to be easy enough that I can give it a try in full swing on Thursday. Thanks for all who helped out!

JBucc
08-27-2006, 09:25 PM
Just out of curiosity is there any way to get around the wireless network and allow me to watch in using that?