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08-29-2006, 06:26 AM
Ready for the real thing

Chiefs have little motivation for Thursday’s final preseason game.

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Posted on Tue, Aug. 29, 2006

Given the choice, the Chiefs would make the same decision a lot of their fans might.

They would skip the final preseason game Thursday night against the Saints at Arrowhead Stadium and move directly to the Sept. 10 regular-season opener against the Bengals.

That way nobody gets hurt, and the Chiefs can work on things in the privacy of their own practice field.

They just can’t make that declaration publicly.

“I can’t say that,” coach Herm Edwards said. “The new commissioner might get mad at me.”

At least some of them can’t say it.

“I’ve been anxious since about two weeks ago,” linebacker Kawika Mitchell said. “I’ve been moody at home and ready for the regular season. I want it to be for real right now. It’s time to get going, time to get ready for Cincinnati.”

Unlike their ticket holders, the Chiefs don’t have the option of not showing for Thursday’s game. So, other than the treat of getting to watch New Orleans rookie Reggie Bush in person, the Chiefs have a few objectives for their final exhibition:

• Stay healthy. There’s nothing worse than losing a key player in the last tuneup, as the Chiefs did two years ago with rookie tight end Kris Wilson.

The starters will be pulled quickly. Edwards cautioned fans not to blink Thursday or they might miss them. Some key players, most notably Larry Johnson and the injured Will Shields, won’t play.

• Fine-tune the play-calling. Edwards and offensive coordinator Mike Solari aren’t thinking as one yet. The head coach was upset at the play calls at two junctures of Saturday night’s win over the Rams.

The first came near the end of the first half. The Chiefs were at the St. Louis 27 in the final seconds when Solari ordered rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle to try two deep passes.

One was incomplete. The other drew an offensive interference penalty on another rookie, Jeff Webb.

The penalty pushed the Chiefs to the edge of Lawrence Tynes’ range. Tynes made a 50-yard field goal but, in the opinion of Edwards, the penalty could have pushed them out of his range.

“You don’t make (50-yard kicks) on the road,” Edwards said. “You won’t make that 50-yard field goal in December when it’s cold.

“We took two shots at the end of the half. You don’t need to do that. It’s 13-3 and you’ve got a chance to make it 16-3 and we’re messing around trying to throw another touchdown pass. A lot of bad things can happen to you. It can be intercepted; That didn’t happen. You can get sacked; That didn’t happen. You can get (offensive) pass interference; That happened.”

Later, Solari had another developmental quarterback, Casey Printers, drop back to pass on third and 2 when the Chiefs were trying to protect their four-point lead and kill the clock as it approached 2 minutes left in the game.

Printers was sacked and the Chiefs had to punt, giving the Rams the ball one last time.

“In a real game, you want to have the ability to close them out,” Edwards said. “The (Rams) shouldn’t get the ball back. The game should be over, and you shouldn’t have to punt.

“There are still a lot of things we have to do a lot better if we’re going to be the type of team we can be. All of those things count. All of those things matter. These coaches will understand my mind-set might be a little bit different than it used to be.”

• Fix the running game. The Chiefs were better against the Rams early in the game but are still averaging a paltry 3.2 yards per carry in the preseason. Johnson, who averaged more than 8 yards last preseason and more than 5 in the regular season, is at 3.8.

That might be tough to do since Johnson probably won’t play. Neither will fullback Ronnie Cruz nor halfback Dee Brown because of injuries.

But the Chiefs would like to start opening some of the same huge holes they opened so often for Johnson last year.

• Show some discipline. Nobody is claiming the Chiefs are suddenly the Raiders when it comes to drawing the yellow flags. Ten teams have more preseason penalties, and 13 have more penalty yardage.

Neither are they the Jets, among the least penalized teams in the league last season while coached by Edwards. The Chiefs can no longer afford penalties, not when they’re playing a brand of game where field position is so important.

The Chiefs had 10 penalties against the Rams. The previous week in New York, a promising drive was killed when the Chiefs had penalties on consecutive plays.

“You can’t have 10 penalties in a game,” Edwards said. “That’s bad ball. We’ve got to stay away from the fouls. The fouls kill you. They stop drives. They prolong drives.

“I’m a perfectionist. I’m a detail guy. I want to do things right.”

Tuckdaddy
08-29-2006, 06:38 AM
Why the hell are we keeping Brown? Bennet and Smith have looked much better.

Rain Man
08-29-2006, 06:42 AM
• Fine-tune the play-calling. Edwards and offensive coordinator Mike Solari aren’t thinking as one yet. The head coach was upset at the play calls at two junctures of Saturday night’s win over the Rams.

The first came near the end of the first half. The Chiefs were at the St. Louis 27 in the final seconds when Solari ordered rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle to try two deep passes.

One was incomplete. The other drew an offensive interference penalty on another rookie, Jeff Webb.

The penalty pushed the Chiefs to the edge of Lawrence Tynes’ range. Tynes made a 50-yard field goal but, in the opinion of Edwards, the penalty could have pushed them out of his range.

“You don’t make (50-yard kicks) on the road,” Edwards said. “You won’t make that 50-yard field goal in December when it’s cold.

“We took two shots at the end of the half. You don’t need to do that. It’s 13-3 and you’ve got a chance to make it 16-3 and we’re messing around trying to throw another touchdown pass. A lot of bad things can happen to you. It can be intercepted; That didn’t happen. You can get sacked; That didn’t happen. You can get (offensive) pass interference; That happened.”

Y'know, sometimes it's good to try to get a touchdown, though.

Later, Solari had another developmental quarterback, Casey Printers, drop back to pass on third and 2 when the Chiefs were trying to protect their four-point lead and kill the clock as it approached 2 minutes left in the game.

Printers was sacked and the Chiefs had to punt, giving the Rams the ball one last time.

“In a real game, you want to have the ability to close them out,” Edwards said. “The (Rams) shouldn’t get the ball back. The game should be over, and you shouldn’t have to punt.

“There are still a lot of things we have to do a lot better if we’re going to be the type of team we can be. All of those things count. All of those things matter. These coaches will understand my mind-set might be a little bit different than it used to be.”

Please, please, please don't run the ball on every 3rd and 2 this season, Herm.


• Fix the running game. The Chiefs were better against the Rams early in the game but are still averaging a paltry 3.2 yards per carry in the preseason. Johnson, who averaged more than 8 yards last preseason and more than 5 in the regular season, is at 3.8.

That might be tough to do since Johnson probably won’t play. Neither will fullback Ronnie Cruz nor halfback Dee Brown because of injuries.

It's also tough to do unless you get a 99 yard run like he had last preseason. That would up his average pretty good.

PastorMikH
08-29-2006, 07:29 AM
• Fix the running game. The Chiefs were better against the Rams early in the game but are still averaging a paltry 3.2 yards per carry in the preseason. Johnson, who averaged more than 8 yards last preseason and more than 5 in the regular season, is at 3.8.

That might be tough to do since Johnson probably won’t play. Neither will fullback Ronnie Cruz nor halfback Dee Brown because of injuries.

But the Chiefs would like to start opening some of the same huge holes they opened so often for Johnson last year.


I'm not too worried about the running game. Right now the O-Line is playing straight up. When the games count, we'll be back to pulling and shifting. Also, LJ hasn't carried the ball enough in any one game yet. Once he gets a dozen carries in a game, he'll be plowing LBs over.

htismaqe
08-29-2006, 07:46 AM
Larry Johnson averaged 8 yards per carry last season because:

1) he got carries because he was the backup

2) he had a 99-yard run

CoMoChief
08-29-2006, 07:48 AM
Y'know, sometimes it's good to try to get a touchdown, though.



Please, please, please don't run the ball on every 3rd and 2 this season, Herm.




It's also tough to do unless you get a 99 yard run like he had last preseason. That would up his average pretty good.


1. It's nice to get a TD, but the situation was un-likely that we would have gotten one with Croyle at the reigns and our starters not being in. The smart thing to do in that situation was to run a draw play and set up for the FG. However if Trent Green and Co. were in the game I would have gone for the TD with TonyG going over the middle etc.

2. I also hope Herm doesnt run it on every 3rd and 2. I have a feeling that Herm will make us very predictable this season, something that Saunders never allowed because he would run plays no matter what the situation was, sometimes that can be bad though. I think we can all remember in 2002 when we lost to SEA because we passed on a goaline situation when we should have let the best RB in the NFL go for the endzone, or the TE screen against HOU in 2004 at Arrowhead. Stupid playcalling like that will hurt any team though, and regardless of the OC, there's gonna be bad playcalling sometimes. Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good. Al Saunders made this offense great, but there were reasons why we were so good on offense.

- Great offensive line = good running game and great pass protection, having 4 out of your 5 Olinemen being ProBowlers will help any team flourish on offense (for the most part).
- QB that could run this offense in his sleep
- Being unpredictable and having a good balance between the pass and run.
- Oh yeah......Tony Gonzalez

3. I agree with you about the LJ avg per carries last pre-season. Thats like saying a team gives up 250 yds passing every game because each game they allow an 80yd TD pass. It may hurt the teams avg as far as defensive stats go or in LJ's case help his avg per carry, but it doesnt really paint the clear picture.

htismaqe
08-29-2006, 07:56 AM
1. It's nice to get a TD, but the situation was un-likely that we would have gotten one with Croyle at the reigns and our starters not being in. The smart thing to do in that situation was to run a draw play and set up for the FG. However if Trent Green and Co. were in the game I would have gone for the TD with TonyG going over the middle etc.

2. I also hope Herm doesnt run it on every 3rd and 2. I have a feeling that Herm will make us very predictable this season, something that Saunders never allowed because he would run plays no matter what the situation was, sometimes that can be bad though. There were reasons why we were so good on offense.

- Great offensive line = good running game and great pass protection
- QB that could run this offense in his sleep
- Being unpredictable and having a good balance between the pass and run.
- Oh yeah......Tony Gonzalez

3. I agree with you about the LJ avg per carries last pre-season. Thats like saying a team gives up 250 yds passing every game because each game they allow an 80yd TD pass. It may hurt the teams avg as far as defensive stats go or in LJ's case help his avg per carry, but it doesnt really paint the clear picture.

For everybody that bitches about predictability, keep in mind the following:

The 7th play of the 1st KC drive (which ended in a TD) was a 3rd-and-1. Herm ran the ball and got the 1st down. Anybody that thinks running a fake reverse there is the RIGHT play cares more about putting up gawdy stats than winning games...

chiefsfan1963
08-29-2006, 10:04 AM
I thought we weren't going to change the O just the D. All we need to do is change the D, don't mess with the Vermiel and AS scoring machine please!

Pitt Gorilla
08-29-2006, 10:23 AM
Dear Herm,
it was a preseason game; why not air it out?

Pitt

Douche Baggins
08-29-2006, 10:25 AM
Dear Herm,
it was a preseason game; why not air it out?

Pitt

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!

StcChief
08-29-2006, 11:20 AM
Half time. Ball control.

The end of game...Ball control.

Don't let them score take the FG.

Take your shot in the middle.

Close game control the ball, clock.

BigChiefFan
08-29-2006, 11:30 AM
I think in the Preseason you SHOULD take your chances. That's were you can practice things and see if a player is worthy of making the team ie Jeff Webb. I don't agree with Edwards on this.

el borracho
08-29-2006, 01:15 PM
Could it be that Edwards is ok with one deep pass attempt but not two in that end-of-half situation? :shrug:

Hound333
08-29-2006, 02:10 PM
Could it be that Edwards is ok with one deep pass attempt but not two in that end-of-half situation? :shrug:

I would tend to go with this one. I don't mind going for it after a big turnover but I do feel in that situation going twice was to much. After the one shot we settle down, run the ball and take the points that are given to us.

Calcountry
08-29-2006, 02:34 PM
I thought we weren't going to change the O just the D. All we need to do is change the D, don't mess with the Vermiel and AS scoring machine please!The first drive of the game ended in a touchdown, but there were only 7 minutes left in the Quarter.

DV offense scores in 3 minutes and leaves 12 minutes on the clock.

The 7 points are worth more, when there is less time to come back.