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Rain Man
08-30-2006, 11:36 AM
Here's a list of past quarterbacks.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/qbindex.htm

Among quarterbacks with six or more seasons of service, who averaged the fewest passing attempts per season? In other words, who made the best living by practicing and holding a clipboard?

Note that this is not passes per game, because the game statistics apparently include only games in which the player appeared. I'm looking for fewest pass attempts per season of service. Note also that some QBs may go in and out of the league, so you actually have to click on the name and manually count the number of seasons when they were active.

While Todd Collins has had a good run, he comes in at 68.25 attempts per season, due in large part to one big season with the Bills in 1997. I often think of Vince Evans as being the quintessential career backup, but he logged 92.7 attempts per season over 15 seasons of service. Our own Damon Huard has averaged 48.2 passes per season over 6 seasons, meaning that we actually replaced Collins with a player who is more rusty. That's a very hard thing to do.

The best I can find so far is former Dallas backup Jason Garrett, who was on a roster for 8 seasons and averaged 36.8 attempts per season. If he made some sort of low NFL salary of $400,000 per year on average, he got paid more than $10,000 per pass, regardless of whether it was caught. Can anyone beat that?

Hound333
08-30-2006, 11:45 AM
Matt Cavanaugh came close. 12 seasons averaged 48 per

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 11:50 AM
Matt Cavanaugh came close. 12 seasons averaged 48 perI was just going to post that one also. Here's what I found so far:

Matt Cavanaugh
12 Seasons with Patriots, 49ers, Eagles and Giants
579 Attempts = 48.25 attempts per season

Koy Detmer
8 Seasons with Eagles
354 Attempts = 44.25 attempts per season

Hound333
08-30-2006, 11:52 AM
ya, im sure I could find a few more but I only have time to skim atm. This stack of work isn't going to finish itself unfortunately.

Ebolapox
08-30-2006, 11:55 AM
what was jim kelly's backup for the bills in the early 90's?? frank R... something... he was pretty good

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 11:57 AM
No one will top this one...

David Humm - Drafted in 1975 out of NU by the Raiders
Spent 10 seasons with the Raiders, Colts (Balt.), and Bills.

137 attempts for a 13.7 attempts per season average.

Hound333
08-30-2006, 11:59 AM
How far back do we want to go with this? I am sure we might find some starters not averaging 50 passes a year back in the days of "whats a pass again?"

HemiEd
08-30-2006, 12:02 PM
I was just going to post that one also. Here's what I found so far:

Matt Cavanaugh
12 Seasons with Patriots, 49ers, Eagles and Giants
579 Attempts = 48.25 attempts per season

Koy Detmer
8 Seasons with Eagles
354 Attempts = 44.25 attempts per season


That is funny about Koy Detmer. It seemed to me like every time that I picked ($) the Eagles in a game, he would end up being the QB. :banghead:

Bill Parcells
08-30-2006, 12:10 PM
what was jim kelly's backup for the bills in the early 90's?? frank R... something... he was pretty good
frank reich???I think...
he orchestrated that come back against the oilers..when the bills were down 35-3 at the half and came back to win it..he was good..

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 12:14 PM
How far back do we want to go with this? I am sure we might find some starters not averaging 50 passes a year back in the days of "whats a pass again?"

Let's go with anything we find, but maybe we'll have a couple of age categories: 1960 and later vs. pre-1960.

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 12:34 PM
What is the minimum number of seasons? I ask because of this guy...

Sonny Gibbs
1 season with Lions (1964)
3 pass attempts

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 12:35 PM
Six or more seasons of service is the rule. We want to exclude one-year nonwonders.

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 12:39 PM
Six or more seasons of service is the rule. We want to exclude one-year nonwonders.
David Humm wins hands down then.

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 12:45 PM
Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

In an odd coincidence, David Humm is related to the wife of my psycho ex-boss. It's no surprise, therefore, that he ripped off his employer.

SNR
08-30-2006, 12:46 PM
Bubby Brister, anyone?

*runs*

greg63
08-30-2006, 12:57 PM
It's a little known fact that Rich Scanlon has a secret Backup QB clause in his contract that provides money to throw into his fireplace on those cold winter nights.

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 01:05 PM
Who's been Favre's backup for much of his career? That person would have a good shot.

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 01:05 PM
It's a little known fact that Rich Scanlon has a secret Backup QB clause in his contract that provides money to throw into his fireplace on those cold winter nights.
Bullshit.

Rich Scanlon doesn't get cold. And if any of his house guests do, he throws himself into the fireplace to warm them up.

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 01:09 PM
Who's been Favre's backup for much of his career? That person would have a good shot.

That's the one I was thinking of, but Doug Pederson started/played a lot for the Eagles in '99 and the Browns in '00 between his 7 years of inactivity behind Favre to ruin his average passes per year.

CoMoChief
08-30-2006, 01:11 PM
Kurt Warner 99 Rams???

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 01:12 PM
No one will top this one...

David Humm - Drafted in 1975 out of NU by the Raiders
Spent 10 seasons with the Raiders, Colts (Balt.), and Bills.

137 attempts for a 13.7 attempts per season average.

Yeah, but I think he should be disqualified because I think I remember him being on the cover of SI in around '76 or '77 after he led the Raiders to a big win when Stabler was hurt.

These guys should be as anonymous as possible.

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 01:16 PM
Wait a minute. Hold the phones. A dark horse candidate just emerged.

John Huarte, a backup for Boston, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Chicago, had a six-year career and threw 48 passes for a nice, even 8 attempts per season.

We have a new leader, and he's a Chief!

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 01:22 PM
No one will top this one...

David Humm - Drafted in 1975 out of NU by the Raiders
Spent 10 seasons with the Raiders, Colts (Balt.), and Bills.

137 attempts for a 13.7 attempts per season average.

If Marques Tuiososopo makes a team this year and doesn't throw a pass, he will have 75 passes attempted in 6 years (12.5 per year).

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 01:24 PM
Wait a minute. Hold the phones. A dark horse candidate just emerged.

John Huarte, a backup for Boston, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Chicago, had a six-year career and threw 48 passes for a nice, even 8 attempts per season.

We have a new leader, and he's a Chief!
This guy came close but not quite enough. His 45 attempt season in 1981 skewed his average.

Glenn Carano
7 Seasons with Dallas (77-83)
57 attempts for a 8.1428571428571428571428571428571 average

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 01:34 PM
We have a new leader....

Guido Merkins :spock:

9 seasons with Houston, New Orleans, and Philly (1978-1987) and 66 attempts for 7.33 average.

greg63
08-30-2006, 01:38 PM
Bullshit.

Rich Scanlon doesn't get cold. And if any of his house guests do, he throws himself into the fireplace to warm them up.
ROFL

BS again!

If any of his house guests get cold he merely stands in the middle of his enormous estate and warms the place with his personified radiance.

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 01:41 PM
We have a new leader....

Guido Merkins :spock:

9 seasons with Houston, New Orleans, and Philly (1978-1987) and 66 attempts for 7.33 average.

Yeah, but IIRC, Guido also played WR or was a KR or something like that. I don't think he was exclusively a QB. But I could be wrong.

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 01:48 PM
Yeah, but IIRC, Guido also played WR or was a KR or something like that. I don't think he was exclusively a QB. But I could be wrong.
It's possible; he had zero attempts in 6 of his 9 seasons. But he's listed as a QB on the site Rainman linked and he was a starting QB at Sam Houston State. I can't find any WR stats for him.

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 01:49 PM
Here is an interesting article about the best journeyman QB ever, Steve DeBerg. Note he passed for more yards than Steve Young and Aikman, and had more TD's than Namath or Aikman.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/b_duane_cross/08/11/sub.sub.qb/index.html

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 01:50 PM
Interestingly, he had 66 attempts in his career, but was once sacked 10 times in a single game.

http://www.chicagobears.com/docs/2005_records_opponentsindividual.pdf#search=%22%22guido%20merkins%22%22

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 01:51 PM
It's possible; he had zero attempts in 6 of his 9 seasons. But he's listed as a QB on the site Rainman linked and he was a starting QB at Sam Houston State. I can't find any WR stats for him.

You're right, I didn't see anything about him being a WR either; I must've been thinking of someone else.

But that '87 season where he had 14 attempts should really be thrown out because he was a scab that year and only played during the three replacement games.

Dartgod
08-30-2006, 01:58 PM
But that '87 season where he had 14 attempts should really be thrown out because he was a scab that year and only played during the three replacement games.That would bring his average down to 6.5 attempts per season.

As an added bonus, he could get rid of that 10 sack game.

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 02:01 PM
It's amazing that he couldn't start as a replacement player, but he could be a backup on the regular roster.

chagrin
08-30-2006, 02:09 PM
i haven't looked it up but Jason Garret had a nice little career there, 3 rings and even got to beat Favre oin Thanksgiving one year, don't know about his stats though.

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 03:36 PM
i haven't looked it up but Jason Garret had a nice little career there, 3 rings and even got to beat Favre oin Thanksgiving one year, don't know about his stats though.

Go about 4 paragraphs down in the original thread starter.

crispystl420
08-30-2006, 04:22 PM
frank reich???I think...
he orchestrated that come back against the oilers..when the bills were down 35-3 at the half and came back to win it..he was good..

I think reich actually came in one or two other games and orchestarted a come from behind victory. I was pretty young when He was playing however so i'm not sure if I remeber correctly.

shaneo69
08-30-2006, 05:02 PM
I think reich actually came in one or two other games and orchestarted a come from behind victory. I was pretty young when He was playing however so i'm not sure if I remeber correctly.

He was the winning QB in the greatest college comeback of all-time as well. Miami was killing Maryland at halftime, but Reich brought them back and won the game.

Skip Towne
08-30-2006, 06:17 PM
Bobby Bell was our emergency QB for several years and I don't think he ever threw a pass. I win!!!!!!

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 06:29 PM
Bell kept himself busy as the backup QB, though, so he didn't make as easy a living.

Guy Benjamin played six seasons for the Dolphins, Saints, and 49ers, and attempted 68 passes, or 11.3 per season. He's no Guido Merkins, though.

Skip Towne
08-30-2006, 06:34 PM
Bell kept himself busy as the backup QB, though, so he didn't make as easy a living.

Guy Benjamin played six seasons for the Dolphins, Saints, and 49ers, and attempted 68 passes, or 11.3 per season. He's no Guido Merkins, though.
I wonder if Guido knows what a merkin is?

Rain Man
08-30-2006, 06:37 PM
Ouch. Don Gault played for the Cleveland Browns in 1970. He appeared in 2 games and went 2 for 19 with 3 interceptions. At least one of the completions must have been good, though, since he's got 67 career passing yards.

whoman69
08-30-2006, 09:15 PM
I thought this would be about the greatest backup QB's of all time, not who got the most splinters in the posterior.
Though I hate to admit it Blanda was pretty good. They always seemed to catch fire when he came in the game, but he was a starter for lots of years.
Earl Morrall led the Dolphins to their undefeated season but he was the league's MVP just 4 years prior.
Don Strock was always there for Woodley and Marino it seemed.
Vince Evans seemed to hang around forever, but I wouldn't call him good. He just made a comeback because he did well in the scab games.
Jeff Hoestetler came off the bench to take the Giants to the SB, but he was a starter for quite awhile afterwards.

milkman
08-30-2006, 09:24 PM
I thought this would be about the greatest backup QB's of all time, not who got the most splinters in the posterior.
Though I hate to admit it Blanda was pretty good. They always seemed to catch fire when he came in the game, but he was a starter for lots of years.
Earl Morrall led the Dolphins to their undefeated season but he was the league's MVP just 4 years prior.
Don Strock was always there for Woodley and Marino it seemed.
Vince Evans seemed to hang around forever, but I wouldn't call him good. He just made a comeback because he did well in the scab games.
Jeff Hoestetler came off the bench to take the Giants to the SB, but he was a starter for quite awhile afterwards.

If memory serves me, the year Morrall won MVP, he was starting due to injury to Johnny Unitas.

Bill Parcells
08-30-2006, 09:29 PM
If memory serves me, the year Morrall won MVP, he was starting due to injury to Johnny Unitas.
was Unitas injured or just unproductive that year for Don Shula???

I think Morrall beat out Unitas that year..

milkman
08-30-2006, 09:34 PM
was Unitas injured or just unproductive that year for Don Shula???

I think Morrall beat out Unitas that year..

No, I'm fairly certain Unitas suffered an injury that kept him out of games, and that Morrall led the Colts to the SB.

In the SB, when Morrall was unproductive, he was pulled, and Unitas entered the game, even though he was clearly still limited by his injury.

Bill Parcells
08-30-2006, 09:44 PM
No, I'm fairly certain Unitas suffered an injury that kept him out of games, and that Morrall led the Colts to the SB.

In the SB, when Morrall was unproductive, he was pulled, and Unitas entered the game, even though he was clearly still limited by his injury.
gotchya..kind of ironic how Morrall took over for Griese after he broke his leg and was undefeated until he was unproductive in that playoff game against the steelers..and Shula pulled him in the middle of the game to put Griese in..

milkman
08-30-2006, 09:50 PM
gotchya..kind of ironic how Morrall took over for Griese after he broke his leg and was undefeated until he was unproductive in that playoff game against the steelers..and Shula pulled him in the middle of the game to put Griese in..

I'm pretty sure that Shula said before the playoffs that he wanted to get Greise in the games because of his previous experience with Morrall.

Bill Parcells
08-30-2006, 09:54 PM
I'm pretty sure that Shula said before the playoffs that he wanted to get Greise in the games because of his previous experience with Morrall.
LOL..HAHA!!!good point..touche..

whoman69
08-30-2006, 09:58 PM
Unitas was league MVP the year before. He was not beaten out, but had an injury I believe with one of the muscles in his throwing arm. Whatever it was, Unitas only got in 5 games and threw 32 passes. Unitas was the starter again the next year and led his team to the Super Bowl in 1970 though he was not statistically a great QB anymore.

KCChiefsMan
08-30-2006, 11:07 PM
Rich Gannon was a career backup before the raiders