and so it begins...

[Eye Patch]

I remember this kind of crap during the Viet nam era.... people against war through the means of blind hatred and violence.

I remeber a Marine being beaten to death from my military days just walking back to the base.. and it was done by fellow Americans.


http://www.kirotv.com/news/9765757/detail.html

National Guardsman Brutally Attacked In Pierce County

POSTED: 4:33 pm PDT August 30, 2006
UPDATED: 6:15 pm PDT August 30, 2006

PARKLAND, Wash. -- The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is searching for five people who allegedly attacked a uniformed National Guardsmen walking along 138th Street in Parkland Tuesday afternoon.

The soldier was walking to a convenience store when a sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside him and the driver asked if he was in the military and if he had been in any action.

The driver then got out of the vehicle, displayed a gun and shouted insults at the victim. Four other suspects exited the vehicle and knocked the soldier down, punching and kicking him.

“And during the assault the suspects called him a baby killer. At that point they got into the car and drove off and left him on the side of the road,” Detective Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.

The suspects were driving a black Chevy Suburban-type SUV.

“This is something new for us, we have not had military people assaulted because they were in the military or somebody's opposition to a war or whatever,” Troyer said.

The driver is described as a white male, 25-30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches tall, heavy build, short blond hair, wearing a black T-shirt and jeans, and armed with a handgun.

The vehicle's passengers are described as white males, 20-25 years old. Some of the suspects wore red baseball hats and red sweatshirts during the attack.

The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and charging of the individuals involved. Informants can call 253-591-5959, and callers will remain anonymous.

[Robo-Chachi]

Something seems odd about a bunch of young, gun-toting guys driving in an SUV being that anti-war. I'd think the reasoning may have been more alcohol fueled or "Hey, 5 of us with a gun can beat up one military guy!" than violent opposition to the war.

Assholes all the same.

[NewPhin]

Something seems odd about a bunch of young, gun-toting guys driving in an SUV being that anti-war.


No kidding.

[Eye Patch]

"Hey, 5 of us with a gun can beat up one military guy!" than violent opposition to the war.

Assholes all the same.

then why the baby killer reference?

[NewPhin]

then why the baby killer reference?

Who knows? I would say that there's more of a chance of these guys being right wingers trying to rally opposition to war protestors and staging the whole thing than these guys being actual war protestors.

I'm not saying that is the case, I'm just saying that I seriously doubt that there is some movement of SUV-driving, gun-toting, peace mongers out there targeting our armed services.

[Eye Patch]

Who knows? I would say that there's more of a chance of these guys being right wingers trying to rally opposition to war protestors and staging the whole thing than these guys being actual war protestors.

I'm not saying that is the case, I'm just saying that I seriously doubt that there is some movement of SUV-driving, gun-toting, peace mongers out there targeting our armed services.

ring wingers!!!!! You say a greater chance of being RW because of an SUV and guns and then blow off... the baby killer line. Amazing

Not to say that hypocritical left wingers who advocate peace through violence would ever consider driving an SUV or backing guns.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Your thread header suggests a trend. Are you suggesting that one disgusting incident is some how indicative of a pattern?

[patteeu]

Your thread header suggests a trend. Are you suggesting that one disgusting incident is some how indicative of a pattern?

His thread header sounds like a starting point to me, not a trend. The thread header you must be thinking of would be "And it continues..."

[Cochise]

These people ought to be hung upside down on a rusty nail through the nuts.

[Laz]

i detest this administration ... i think this war was a screwed up idea.



but the soldiers themselves don't decide policy and don't deserve this kind of BS.


those dumbasses in the truck would of beaten somebody up, even if it wasn't a soldier. They were just looking to be scumbags imo.

[Pitt Gorilla]

His thread header sounds like a starting point to me, not a trend. The thread header you must be thinking of would be "And it continues..."It's a starting point for what?

[Radar Chief]

It's a starting point for what?

Lets recap.

I remember this kind of crap during the Viet nam era.... people against war through the means of blind hatred and violence.

[Laz]

makes as much sense as the fuqtards who kill people by blowing up a family planning clinics because they are against killing(abortion).

[Pitt Gorilla]

Lets recap.Exactly. Thanks.

[Eye Patch]

Your thread header suggests a trend. Are you suggesting that one disgusting incident is some how indicative of a pattern?

well being quite familiar with the Marine being killed by anti-war like minded folks during the Viet Nam era....yes it is some how indictaive of a pattern years back. I hope I am wrong.

Maybe my personal anguish of such an incident is drawing conclusion that are not there.

[Eye Patch]

those dumbasses in the truck would of beaten somebody up, even if it wasn't a soldier. They were just looking to be scumbags imo.

hence the baby killer line....

[Eye Patch]

makes as much sense as the fuqtards who kill people by blowing up a family planning clinics because they are against killing(abortion).

well if they drive Suv's and back guns... I can see your point.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Maybe my personal anguish of such an incident is drawing conclusion that are not there.I hope, and imagine, that is the case.

[Pitt Gorilla]

hence the baby killer line....That would seemingly be a Vietnam reference and not applicable to the current occupation. This makes Laz's assertion more viable, IMO.

[Eye Patch]

I hope, and imagine, that is the case.

I get the feeling, not necessarily from you, but from others that can't believe that far left wing nutjobs are capable of such a thing... only right wringers just because they tie it to an Suv and guns and reject the things that come out of their own mouth when they were beating a soldier. The article did not mention if his wallet was stolen… so I gonna assume it was not for cash.

[Eye Patch]

That would seemingly be a Vietnam reference and not applicable to the current occupation. This makes Laz's assertion more viable, IMO.

I disagree....it is painfully obvious... IMO

[banyon]

pro-life protestors have been literally bombing abortion clinics for years yelling "baby killer", but somehow these dumb asses merit deep reflection on our national conscience?

[NewPhin]

BTW,

I can remember quite a few threads over the last few years where some isolated wack job peacnik does something completely out of line and all of a sudden the Cons start screaming, "See! The anti-war people hate our troops. It's just like Vietnam!"

[banyon]

BTW,

I can remember quite a few threads over the last few years where some isolated wack job peacnik does something completely out of line and all of a sudden the Cons start screaming, "See! The anti-war people hate our troops. It's just like Vietnam!"

That's true, unless you start talking about the strategy of the situation or the casualties or sqaundering of resources, then somehow it's nothing like Vietnam again.

[Chief Faithful]

Who knows? I would say that there's more of a chance of these guys being right wingers trying to rally opposition to war protestors and staging the whole thing than these guys being actual war protestors.



That is a great plan by the right wingers because everybody knows war protestors jump out of cars and beat up soldiers.

It is more likely this guy is a war protestor gone bad out of blind hatred.

[Old Codger]

This seems to be an exercise in futility as far as trying to reason out the motives behind this attack; at least untill the people responsible are in custody. Regardless of who it was I don't feel that they are representitive of any political spectrum. I am confident that the vast majority of people find this act reprehensible and there are few, if any, people cheering on the sidelines.

[DenverChief]

I'd love to have those cheesed!cks in my jail

[whoman69]

There's a whole lotta jumping to assumptions on this thread.

The anti-war movement that is around now is nowhere near where it was during Vietnam. During Vietnam any soldier in uniform was likely to be attacked or shouted at.
This has been an isolated incident. For the most part this anti-war movement supports the troops, and do not want them hurt. They simply do not agree that we should be in Iraq. They place the blame in Washington, not on the American soldier.

[stevieray]

Something seems odd about a bunch of young, gun-toting guys driving in an SUV being that anti-war.
Assholes all the same.

Because we all know that anyone being anti-war can't afford an SUV?

This was premeditated. The guy only goes after him only after he confirms he saw action...thus the next comment of baby killer and subsequent assault.

The comparisons are valid, the last time someone went after a soldier for serving his country like this was Vietnam. Does anyone remember this happening from Desert Storm?

The fact that anyone could even think this was staged just exemplifies the disunity and distrust that continues to grow and makes this country vulnerable to even more polarization and division.

[|Zach|]

I'm not saying that is the case, I'm just saying that I seriously doubt that there is some movement of SUV-driving, gun-toting, peace mongers out there targeting our armed services.
ROFL

[patteeu]

It's a starting point for what?

What do you think?

[Cochise]

pro-life protestors have been literally bombing abortion clinics for years yelling "baby killer", but somehow these dumb asses merit deep reflection on our national conscience?

I guess I miss seeing all those clinic bombings on the news, cause I was under the impression it wasn't something that happened frequently.

[Brock]

It's a starting point for what?

What makes you ask that?

[banyon]

I guess I miss seeing all those clinic bombings on the news, cause I was under the impression it wasn't something that happened frequently.

Here are two places with the incidents over the years.

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/arsons.asp


http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

Murders, Attempted Murders (1) Bombing, Arson, Attempted Bombing or Arson (2) Invasion, Assault & Battery, Vandalism, Trespassing, Death Threats, Burglary, Stalking...(3) Hate Mail, Harassing Phone Calls, Bomb Threats... (4)Arrests Made at Blockades(5) Number of Blockades (6) Number of Incidents of Picketing (7)

-----1-2--3--4--5-----6---7
1989 0 11 66 51 12358 201 72
1990 0 14 60 32 1363 34 45
1991 2 10 83 157 3885 41 292
1992 0 32 221 1481 2580 83 2898
1993 2 20 430 650 1236 66 2279
1994 12 15 143 395 217 25 1407
1995 1 16 142 296 54 5 1356
1996 1 9 102 618 65 7 3932
1997 2 16 205 2908 29 25 7518
1998 3 10 127 946 16 2 8402
1999 0 10 326 1685 5 3 8727
2000 1 5 209 1031 0 4 8478
2001 0 5 7901 435 0 2 9969
2002 0 1 265 302 0 4 10241
2003 0 3 140 331 0 10 11244
2004 2 0 2 40 130 0 4 3445