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banyon
09-03-2006, 11:59 AM
Is this the explanation:

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-08-26T125900Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-264958-1.xml
Saudi king says high oil prices unjustified - paper
Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:03 PM IST

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi King Abdullah was quoted on Saturday as saying high oil prices were unjustified because global markets were well supplied.

The king also told Asharq al-Awsat newspaper in an interview that Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil exporter, wanted moderate oil prices, despite the benefits it would reap from higher prices.

"The kingdom's oil policy is based on moderate prices and despite the benefits higher oil prices bring to us, we call for moderation in oil prices," the king told the Saudi-owned newspaper.

"Oil production is plentiful, so I am puzzled by the fluctuations in the market and the unjustified high oil prices," he added.

Oil rose on Friday as a tropical weather system brewing in the Caribbean threatened to sweep through the Gulf of Mexico next week and menace oil rigs yet to fully recover from last year's hurricanes.

Support also came from Iran's nuclear row with the West that could prompt United Nations sanctions against the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, although Russia ruled out such punitive action for now.

U.S. crude settled 15 cents higher at $72.51 a barrel, after hitting $73.75 earlier in the day, and gaining 60 cents on Thursday. London Brent rose 2 cents to $72.70.

Or is this the explanation:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/gas_prices_plummeting/
The end of summer. Driving slows, reducing demand for gasoline. And federal requirements for clean air, summer-blend gasoline end next month, making gasoline cheaper to refine and import.

•Sluggish demand. Gasoline use in the first eight months of the year is up 1% vs. a year ago, less than the 1.5% to 2% growth that’s typical, says Michael Morris, analyst at the U.S. Energy Information Administration. “Wholesalers are trying to get rid of product. The growth in demand for gasoline has really tapered off,” he says.

Wholesale prices are falling faster than retail gasoline prices, meaning stations are making more money than when prices were $3. Wholesale prices Tuesday ranged from $1.77 to $1.79 a gallon, well below the $2-plus prices typical until recently.

•Petroleum traders, worried that prices are too high to last, are selling their holdings. That pushes prices down. They also believe hurricanes won’t disrupt Gulf of Mexico production, OPIS senior analyst Tom Kloza says.

Crude oil, which accounts for roughly half the price of gasoline, ended New York trading Tuesday down 90 cents, at $69.71 a barrel. That’s the first time it’s closed at less than $70 since May 4.

Which do you buy?

Bowser
09-03-2006, 12:03 PM
http://www.houseofbush.com/

Laz
09-03-2006, 12:05 PM
doesn't the price of gas always go down prior to elections?


it's a bunch of crap from both sides of the fence.

Mr. Kotter
09-03-2006, 01:53 PM
doesn't the price of gas always go down prior to elections?


it's a bunch of crap from both sides of the fence.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We HAVE a winner. It seems to happen regardless of who's in the WH.....so it could be considered part of the "natural" cycle. ;)

banyon
09-03-2006, 02:30 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! We HAVE a winner. It seems to happen regardless of who's in the WH.....so it could be considered part of the "natural" cycle. ;)


But, why does it happen with such consistency?

If it happens every election cycle, that means the prices are being manipulated and that they are not purely controlled by the free market.

I'm looking for some of the petro-apologists that normally have all variety of reasons for the high prices just being a market phenomenon.

Laz
09-03-2006, 03:57 PM
But, why does it happen with such consistency?

If it happens every election cycle, that means the prices are being manipulated and that they are not purely controlled by the free market.

I'm looking for some of the petro-apologists that normally have all variety of reasons for the high prices just being a market phenomenon.
hell ya ... theiving bastiges are always fuggin with us.

Cochise
09-03-2006, 04:20 PM
Well the summer driving season is over by November. :shrug:

Demonpenz
09-03-2006, 04:41 PM
bush and his cronies got all the money they need i guess

bunnytrdr
09-04-2006, 02:45 AM
But, why does it happen with such consistency?

If it happens every election cycle, that means the prices are being manipulated and that they are not purely controlled by the free market.

I'm looking for some of the petro-apologists that normally have all variety of reasons for the high prices just being a market phenomenon.I do see a lot more Hybrids on the road. I also see auto companies advertising the fuel efficiency of their models as a selling point.

At three dollars per gallon, a lot of people are only driving for essential purposes or have been forced out of the gas buying all together, they simply cannot afford it.

All this adds up to a slight inward shift in the Demand for Gasoline, while at the same time, suppliers, with three dollar incentive to produce all the gasoline they possibly can because they can clean up at that price, have flooded the market with a cornucopia of gasoline.

The market is once again, with Adam Smith's invisible hand, moving to correct the imbalance.

The fact that this is prior to an election is coincidence, unless, you could prove a deliberate increase in the supply of products when there is already an imbalance of supply.

bunnytrdr
09-04-2006, 02:46 AM
bush and his cronies got all the money they need i guessThat's right sugar.

headsnap
09-04-2006, 06:11 AM
how soon we forget yesterday's news...


#1. Corrosion of BP Alaska Pipeline could lead to gas shortages...

#2. Bush releases some of the gas held in emergency reserves to ease the hit of the shortage...

#3. Demand went down as price went up...



#1 didn't have the negative effect that was predicted + #2 further increased the supply + #3 fewer people at the pump = CHEAPER GAS!

StcChief
09-04-2006, 03:45 PM
Supply picked up...

vacation season is over.

patteeu
09-04-2006, 06:33 PM
Consumers must be gouging the big oil companies. We need an investigation!

BucEyedPea
09-04-2006, 06:40 PM
Consumers must be gouging the big oil companies. We need an investigation!
I gotta admit...this gave me a good laugh! ROFL

DenverChief
09-04-2006, 06:46 PM
#3. Demand went down as price went up...


#3 fewer people at the pump


Bullsh!t do you listen to Rush? He just was spounting off the otherday about how more Americans than ever were going on vacation by car and how hot spots like Lake Powell and Havasu saw more boaters than in the past decade....yeah less people at the pump

patteeu
09-04-2006, 07:08 PM
I gotta admit...this gave me a good laugh! ROFL

:D

Brock
09-04-2006, 07:10 PM
Bullsh!t do you listen to Rush? He just was spounting off the otherday about how more Americans than ever were going on vacation by car and how hot spots like Lake Powell and Havasu saw more boaters than in the past decade....yeah less people at the pump

If Rush said it it must be true. They were right about that whole "Tom Sawyer" thing, after all.

headsnap
09-04-2006, 07:45 PM
Bullsh!t do you listen to Rush? He just was spounting off the otherday about how more Americans than ever were going on vacation by car and how hot spots like Lake Powell and Havasu saw more boaters than in the past decade....yeah less people at the pump
never in my wildest dreams would I have pegged you as a Dittohead. :hmmm:

Pitt Gorilla
09-04-2006, 08:25 PM
For whatever reason it is happening, I hope that people don't go back to their old consumption habits. The high prices have prompted companies and the govt to pursue other resources and better efficiency. It's up to the consumer to keep their feet to the flame, so to speak.

Honestly, I don't see gas prices as a big political issue.

banyon
09-04-2006, 11:50 PM
Last 3 years.

DenverChief
09-05-2006, 01:41 AM
never in my wildest dreams would I have pegged you as a Dittohead. :hmmm:

I was just switching back and forth listening to Rush and Garafalo on Air america inbetween my Air Supply and Megadeath

headsnap
09-05-2006, 06:11 AM
I was just switching back and forth listening to Rush and Garafalo on Air america inbetween my Air Supply and Megadeath
eeeww, Denverchief goes both ways... :eek:

Donger
09-05-2006, 09:25 AM
This is a rhetorical question, right?

WilliamTheIrish
09-05-2006, 09:54 AM
Oh, I absolutely believe the Saudi king.

Why would he lie?