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64 Chief
09-16-2006, 06:58 PM
Chris Musberger just announced this opinion during the Nebraska/USC game.

milkman
09-16-2006, 07:02 PM
Just imagine if someone had mentioned this in the college game thread and generated a discusssion there, you wouldn't have needed to start a whole new thread.

Logical
09-16-2006, 07:11 PM
Chris Musberger just announced this opinion during the Nebraska/USC game.

I heard that and what is scary is that other than Kennison it is absolutely true.

keg in kc
09-16-2006, 07:13 PM
Chris Musberger?

Dick Vemeil, is that you?

chiefforlife
09-16-2006, 07:19 PM
The truth is, that may include Kennison.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 07:23 PM
Pure talent wise it's true......

jlscorpio
09-16-2006, 07:27 PM
I'd trade Kennison/Parker for Jarrett/Smith without blinking...

Lzen
09-16-2006, 07:28 PM
This is a very subjective thing. But if you actually buy this, your and idiot.

banyon
09-16-2006, 07:32 PM
This is a very subjective thing. But if you actually buy this, your and idiot.

There have been plenty of college tandems that went on to both become very good pros. It is not crazy to suggest that one of the most talent-laden teams in college football might have such a tandem.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 07:55 PM
Pure talent wise it's true......

I love this argument. You act like there is a talent meter that you can insert in someone's backside and get a definitive talent reading. It's a word you continually throw around without defining. If someone you like hasn't performed well on the field, then you rant and rave about their "talent". All of the talented first-round busts at WR must say that talent doesn't tell the whole story. Jerry Rice and Steve Largent are two guys that played way over their raw talent levels. I'll take guys like that any time over these flashy talent guys. Eddie Kennsion was a first round draft choice -- what does that say about his talent level? I know that back-to-back 1000 yd seasons says a good deal about his ability.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 07:57 PM
I never said Kennison was an untalented bum.....he's an aging WR who wants to be paid that to me says it's about time for him to go. The rest of the WR's I just don't think they're very talented players, Parkers fast that's about it.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 07:59 PM
I never said Kennison was an untalented bum.....he's an aging WR who wants to be paid that to me says it's about time for him to go. The rest of the WR's I just don't think they're very talented players, Parkers fast that's about it.

I would say Parker has the talent to be a top WR in the NFL, he just can't keep his head in the game enough to achieve his potential.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 08:01 PM
I would say Parker has the talent to be a top WR in the NFL, he just can't keep his head in the game enough to achieve his potential.

Outside of him being fast....explain to me what he has. He has bad hands, he gets dumb penalties......Samie Parker has stats like Josh Reed do you think he's going to be a top WR? Parker will likely never be any better than someone like an Az Hakim.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 08:05 PM
Outside of him being fast....explain to me what he has. He has bad hands, he gets dumb penalties......Samie Parker has stats like Josh Reed do you think he's going to be a top WR? Parker will likely never be any better than someone like an Az Hakim.

He makes tough grabs and blows easy ones. He fumbles too much. He gets stupid penalties. But he also gets open. And it takes more than speed to do that. He could be a top reciever, the "talent" is there, but I don't think he will, because of the mental aspects and toughness.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 08:07 PM
Parker to me is a 3/4 type WR, just our lack of talent there forces him to start.

GoTrav
09-16-2006, 08:10 PM
Chris Musberger just announced this opinion during the Nebraska/USC game.

we should be able to grab Jarrett with our first rounder...

Draft Jarrett and sign Schaub and I'll be happy.

The wife and I laughed at the statement when we heard it and wondered why the Chiefs were being considered a "low" standard for receivers. Not saying I disagreed though either. But it was more of a kick in the balls. I tried to think of a team that wasn't as good as what USC boasts...Chicago, SF, Chargers (which I think are fairly comparable to what we have...unless Vincent Jackson emerges into a monster)....

Logical
09-16-2006, 08:25 PM
I know this, I would love to trade away all our WRs for the rights to draft those two top USC WRs.

ChiefsfaninPA
09-16-2006, 08:26 PM
I know this, I would love to trade away all our WRs for the rights to draft those two top USC WRs.


And just think, if one of them could play tackle they other one might be able to catch some passes.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 08:26 PM
we should be able to grab Jarrett with our first rounder...

Draft Jarrett and sign Schaub and I'll be happy.

The wife and I laughed at the statement when we heard it and wondered why the Chiefs were being considered a "low" standard for receivers. Not saying I disagreed though either. But it was more of a kick in the balls. I tried to think of a team that wasn't as good as what USC boasts...Chicago, SF, Chargers (which I think are fairly comparable to what we have...unless Vincent Jackson emerges into a monster)....

Browns start Dennis Northcutt and Joe Jurevicius. Top production year between the two of them is 806 yards.

Jets are starting something called Jerricho Cotchery. He actually had a TD pass last week.

Reche Caldwell lines up accross from Troy Brown for the Pats. They COMBINED for over 800 yards last season.

There are plenty of teams that need up grades at the WR position.

GoTrav
09-16-2006, 08:35 PM
Browns start Dennis Northcutt and Joe Jurevicius. Top production year between the two of them is 806 yards.

Jets are starting something called Jerricho Cotchery. He actually had a TD pass last week.

Reche Caldwell lines up accross from Troy Brown for the Pats. They COMBINED for over 800 yards last season.


Plug Edwards in as the #1 for Cleveland who has looked good coming over his knee injury. Joe V is out for a bit, IIRC. But I totally agree with the Jets and Pats. I just wonder why the Chiefs were the team USC was compared to. Possibly our offensive production over the past years...

Mecca
09-16-2006, 08:37 PM
Plug Edwards in as the #1 for Cleveland who has looked good coming over his knee injury. Joe V is out for a bit, IIRC. But I totally agree with the Jets and Pats. I just wonder why the Chiefs were the team USC was compared to. Possibly our offensive production over the past years...

Because the Browns and Pats just took WR's high in the draft and the Jets are in serious rebuilding and Lavernues Coles is more respected by the media than the Chiefs WR's are. Plus all those teams other than the Pats are considered rebuilding while the Chiefs aren't.

GoTrav
09-16-2006, 08:43 PM
Because the Browns and Pats just took WR's high in the draft and the Jets are in serious rebuilding and Lavernues Coles is more respected by the media than the Chiefs WR's are. Plus all those teams other than the Pats are considered rebuilding while the Chiefs aren't.

Pats have some "not-so-great-on-paper" receivers. Troy Brown is like 50...Gabriel could be good...and whoever they picked up from the Chargers...

Chad Jackson was a first round selection but hasn't seen the field yet and didn't practice much, if any, in the preseason. I guess it's just more people drinking the Brady kool-aide...

Mecca
09-16-2006, 08:45 PM
Pats have some "not-so-great-on-paper" receivers. Troy Brown is like 50...Gabriel could be good...and whoever they picked up from the Chargers...

Chad Jackson was a first round selection but hasn't seen the field yet and didn't practice much, if any in the preseason. I guess it's just more people drinking the Brady kool-aide...

Most people would probably consider Gabriel and Jackson better prospects than any of our guys.

NJ Chief Fan
09-16-2006, 08:52 PM
There have been plenty of college tandems that went on to both become very good pros. It is not crazy to suggest that one of the most talent-laden teams in college football might have such a tandem.
houzyomamma n chad johnson just to name one

Logical
09-16-2006, 08:53 PM
And just think, if one of them could play tackle they other one might be able to catch some passes.I did not suggest I would trade away a single draft pick, what gave you the idea we could not draft a tackle with one of our regular draft picks?

Iowanian
09-16-2006, 09:02 PM
Pure talent wise it's true......

If you're finished blowing USC again....You might use this to wipe up whatever that twinkey filling on your chin is...

http://www.outdoorsource.net/fishtowl.jpg

ChiefaRoo
09-16-2006, 09:08 PM
Brent Musberger. Jesus, he's not dead yet?

runnercyclist
09-16-2006, 09:19 PM
NO.

Logical
09-16-2006, 09:34 PM
Now that I think about it lets do this completely right and trade all our offensive tackles and WRs for the OTs ane WRs from USC. Sure it will take a year or two but then we would be really solid at those positions.

Basileus777
09-16-2006, 09:34 PM
Most people would probably consider Gabriel and Jackson better prospects than any of our guys.

Anyone who thinks that is crazy. Since when is a second round wr in one of the weakest wr draft classes in memory, who isn't even starting over Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown, better than a 1000 receiver? Its not like we are comparing Calvin Johnson with Kennison. In that case it is at least obvious that Johnson is more talented than our wrs, something not true with Jackson.

Gabriel has some talent, but is just as unproven as Parker. Parker has just as much talent too.

While Jarrett is undeniably more talented than any of our wrs, I don't see how Smith is. He is a second round pick, and probably doesn't run any faster than a 4.55.

buddha
09-16-2006, 09:59 PM
The Chiefs wide receiving corps is as weak as I can remember in the NFL. Who has had a worse one?

Basileus777
09-16-2006, 10:02 PM
The Chiefs wide receiving corps is as weak as I can remember in the NFL. Who has had a worse one?
The 49ers, Bears, Patriots, Chargers, Jets, Titans, and the Packers all have wrs corps. just as weak or weaker than ours. Just like the Chiefs, most of these teams have a solid veteran #1 and a talented, but unproven #2. The exceptions being the Titans (whose wrs just suck), the Pats (I don't know if Troy Brown is even "solid" anymore), and the 49ers (Arnaz Battle isn't talented).

buddha
09-16-2006, 10:06 PM
The 49ers, Bears, Patriots, Chargers, Jets, Titans, and the Packers all have wrs corps. just as weak or weaker than ours.

I can name guys off each of those receiving corps who I'd rather have, such as Bryant, Muhammad, Gabriel, Driver, etc. Kennison reached 1K in receiving for two years straight by default and we all know it.

Basileus777
09-16-2006, 10:10 PM
I can name guys off each of those receiving corps who I'd rather have, such as Bryant, Muhammad, Gabriel, Driver, etc. Kennison reached 1K in receiving for two years straight by default and we all know it.

Anontio Bryant is pretty good (minus his character issues), but Arnaz Battle is probably the worst #2 wr in the NFL. Muhammed isn't any better than Kennison now, he is just a solid veteran. Gabriel isn't even a starter. Driver might be a little better than Kennison, but they have a rookie at the #2 spot.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 10:11 PM
The Chiefs wide receiving corps is as weak as I can remember in the NFL. Who has had a worse one?


pfft.

'75 Chiefs started Barry Pearson 36 608 16.9 3 and Larry Brunson 23 398 17.3 2

'91 Chiefs started Rob Thomas 43 495 11.5 1 and Tim Barnett 41 564 13.8 5

'96 Chiefs started Chris Penn 49 628 12.8 5 and Sean LaCaphelle 27 422 15.6 2


That's just one franchise. Drama much?

L.A. Chieffan
09-16-2006, 10:14 PM
wait a sec..musberger actually compared the chiefs recievers to USC's? specifically? what a douche

cdcox
09-16-2006, 10:15 PM
I can name guys off each of those receiving corps who I'd rather have, such as Bryant, Muhammad, Gabriel, Driver, etc. Kennison reached 1K in receiving for two years straight by default and we all know it.

What exactly does that mean? Are you under the impression that the NFL automatically hands out 1000 yard season's to whomever is the top reciever on the team?? You have zero perspective.

WR is a weak point, but it is not a world class weak point by any stretch of the imagination.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 10:19 PM
Anontio Bryant is pretty good (minus his character issues), but Arnaz Battle is probably the worst #2 wr in the NFL. Muhammed isn't any better than Kennison now, he is just a solid veteran. Gabriel isn't even a starter. Driver might be a little better than Kennison, but they have a rookie at the #2 spot.

I'd take Greg Jennings over any of our guys after Kennison. I liked him alot and was hoping the Chiefs would take him in the past draft.

SNR
09-16-2006, 10:25 PM
Most people would probably consider Gabriel and Jackson better prospects than any of our guys.Yeah, but both of those guys are no Charles Rogers

Mecca
09-16-2006, 10:30 PM
Ok that jokes old.......like I said for the Chiefs I thought he was worth a shot it isn't like we're the Bengals here and going 4 deep with good WR's.

Logical
09-16-2006, 10:30 PM
pfft.

'75 Chiefs started Barry Pearson 36 608 16.9 3 and Larry Brunson 23 398 17.3 2

'91 Chiefs started Rob Thomas 43 495 11.5 1 and Tim Barnett 41 564 13.8 5

'96 Chiefs started Chris Penn 49 628 12.8 5 and Sean LaCaphelle 27 422 15.6 2


That's just one franchise. Drama much?That was a depressing run through history.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 10:33 PM
pfft.

'75 Chiefs started Barry Pearson 36 608 16.9 3 and Larry Brunson 23 398 17.3 2

'91 Chiefs started Rob Thomas 43 495 11.5 1 and Tim Barnett 41 564 13.8 5

'96 Chiefs started Chris Penn 49 628 12.8 5 and Sean LaCaphelle 27 422 15.6 2


That's just one franchise. Drama much?

That's a great example of what I've said for a long time. Has any team in the NFL gone longer without a legit #1 stud WR than this franchise?

L.A. Chieffan
09-16-2006, 10:36 PM
chris penn rocked

NJ Chief Fan
09-16-2006, 10:40 PM
Titans, wrs corps. just as weak or weaker than ours. The exceptions being the Titans (whose wrs just suck)
ill take givens and bennett over kennison and parker any day, although kennison is the best of the 4, the titan duo is better over all

cdcox
09-16-2006, 10:46 PM
That's a great example of what I've said for a long time. Has any team in the NFL gone longer without a legit #1 stud WR than this franchise?

Compile the list. No one-year wonders. No guys who had great talent but didn't ever produce. Since back-to-back 1000 yrd seasons are no where close to a sufficient gage of legit #1, let's make it 4 seasons with the same team at over 1000 yards per season. Back up your claims with a little research.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 10:49 PM
Heh, already found one. The Eagles don't qualify.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 10:53 PM
Tampa.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 10:55 PM
Bears.

Mecca
09-16-2006, 10:58 PM
So you've found 2....and Tampa has been in existance since what 79...the Chiefs ineptness at WR may go back longer than that.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 11:00 PM
Your beloved Cards.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 11:05 PM
Pats

cdcox
09-16-2006, 11:08 PM
Browns

Mecca
09-16-2006, 11:08 PM
Pats

Irving Fryar was more legit than any guy we've had in years......

Mecca
09-16-2006, 11:08 PM
Your beloved Cards.

They have their guys now....

Mr. Kotter
09-16-2006, 11:14 PM
That's a great example of what I've said for a long time. Has any team in the NFL gone longer without a legit #1 stud WR than this franchise?

We've had some decent WRs since 1970....Paige, Carson, Rison, and Kennison--and a couple of others.

They weren't HOFers, but they each had a couple of solid, if unspectacular, seasons.

FWIW, we USE to say that about RBs..... :)

cdcox
09-16-2006, 11:16 PM
They have their guys now....

Let's wait till they do it. Even that Carlos Carson guy, who was not by any stretch of the imagination a legitimate # 1 reciever, had 3 seasons over 1000 yards. Probably we should have made it 5 seasons, but then we would have had to add a bunch more teams to the list.

What is really amazing is that most teams in any given year, manage to play when there is no one who is a legitimate #1 reciver on the whole team.

Basileus777
09-16-2006, 11:37 PM
ill take givens and bennett over kennison and parker any day, although kennison is the best of the 4, the titan duo is better over all

I forgot about Givens for some reason. In that case, you are right.

cdcox
09-16-2006, 11:44 PM
Irving Fryar was more legit than any guy we've had in years......

Your perceptions are biased. He got better after he left NE, but Joe Horn (a guy I wanted to keep) got better after he left the Chiefs.



+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1984 nwe | 14 | 2 -11 -5.5 0 | 11 164 14.9 1 |
| 1985 nwe | 16 | 7 27 3.9 1 | 39 670 17.2 7 |
| 1986 nwe | 14 | 4 80 20.0 0 | 43 737 17.1 6 |
| 1987 nwe | 12 | 9 52 5.8 0 | 31 467 15.1 5 |
| 1988 nwe | 15 | 6 12 2.0 0 | 33 490 14.8 5 |
| 1989 nwe | 11 | 2 15 7.5 0 | 29 537 18.5 3 |
| 1990 nwe | 16 | 2 -4 -2.0 0 | 54 856 15.9 4 |
| 1991 nwe | 16 | 2 11 5.5 0 | 68 1014 14.9 3 |
| 1992 nwe | 15 | 1 6 6.0 0 | 55 791 14.4 4 |