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Mi_chief_fan
12-30-2000, 01:49 PM
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WisChief
12-30-2000, 02:48 PM
Mi - you beat me to it! Come on all you Grbitchers that have continually spouted off about Manning being the best - spin away! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

DaWolf
12-30-2000, 03:03 PM
Manning is overrated. Like Darrell Russell said, the guy never wins the games that count...

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
12-30-2000, 03:22 PM
Dang it, I was just gettin' ready to log on about this and it's already here.

I guess the All-idiots team recognizes quarterback futility when we see it :D




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Mi_chief_fan
12-30-2000, 04:31 PM
Wonder when the 'All Knowing' will chime in. :D

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milkman
12-30-2000, 05:13 PM
The all knowing will blame it on Mora.
We might have to start a thread that says "Jim Mora has never won a playoff game."

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Packfan
12-31-2000, 08:59 AM
So what are you guys saying, that you would rather have Grbac than Manning??

Manning's been in the league three years. Grbac, seven years. Grbac hasnt been to the playoffs in the last three and has only started two playoff games. Manning has been there in each of the last two years.

Its amazing that you fellas need to be convinced who the better QB is.

KCWolfman
12-31-2000, 09:15 AM
Good Post guys.

Fact is that no one is comparing the abilities of either - that will be the interpretation of people who do not want to be wrong , even when they are.

The Colts have devised a plan (let's call it a 5 year plan) and they have failed at it. Harrison was the first key to that plan. Drafted 5 years ago, he had a tremendous rookie season - following a couple of years later Manning burst onto the scene and also has had a tremendous career. Finally James was the product of the worst single season of the Colts and a very generous high draft pick.

They also choose a coach who screws the pooch every single post-season (sound familiar Mr. Schottenheimer?). Idiot moves like kneeling at the half and the end of the regulation time is as assinine as passing when your RB is averaging over 5 yards a carry.

The Colts have won less than the Chiefs in their 5 year plan (Check out their regular season record during that time) and achieved MUCH HIGHER draft picks than the Chiefs during their plan - therefore, they have accomplished even less.

To conclude, I am not bashing the Colts (I was born and raised in Indiana and actually like the team quite a bit), but rather am pointing out that if every team has a 5 year plan, then 26 teams in the NFL aren't worth a lick every five years (that is if no team wins the SB more than once in those 5 years).

Mi_chief_fan
12-31-2000, 09:16 AM
Once again Packfool, your true colors show. Postal tried to be a decent guy & make amends, and then you come and say something stupid like that.

Where was it said, or even insinuated, that ANYONE would rather have Elvis than Manning. It wasn't. Once again, those moronic words came out of YOUR mouth. This post was made in jest to your incoherent ramblings, and your too GO#DAMN stupid realize it.



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Packfan
12-31-2000, 09:25 AM
Bliss,

Did you say a five year plan or a 12 year plan?

Again, who would you rather have, Manning or Grbac? Simple question. Just answer it and we can move on.

And yes, you are bashing the Colts.<BR>

KCWolfman
12-31-2000, 09:27 AM
Packfan - Yes, Peterson has not won the SB in 12 years. But I believe your original complaint was that he did not complete his five year plan, neither have the Colts, period.

Would I take Grbac or Manning? I would take Manning in a heartbeat, he is younger and more mobile.

Were my earlier comments on my first post correct? Absolutely. The Colts have had more tools and accomplished less than they Chiefs in the first five years of their 'plan'.

stevieray
12-31-2000, 09:30 AM
That's a close call. They both put up the same #'s this year. If the Chiefs had EJ in the backfield, I'd have to go with Grbac.

Packfan
12-31-2000, 09:30 AM
Russ,

I think taking a team into overtime, on the road, and missing a game winning field goal is not as devastating as losing on your own home field, having home field advantage, and putting up less than ten points........twice.

Mora should be fired for his all-world kicker missing a very makable field goal with the wind. Yea, its all Mora's fault. Just like it was all Marty's fault for the three that Linn Elliott missed in 95.

I think I will let you and MI Chief debate today. That seems like an equal match.

Mi_chief_fan
12-31-2000, 09:33 AM
Losing at home to the eventual Super Bowl champs is nothing to be embarrassed about. Losing on the road to a team you had beaten easily 2 weeks before is, especially since that team is going nowhere.

Who did the donks beat in the Super Bowl that year?

KCWolfman
12-31-2000, 09:39 AM
Ken, once again you deliberately miss the gist of the post in a feeble attempt to be right when you aren't.

Mora was a fool, period. When a man like Smith with only half the talent of Edge runs all over the Colt defense, you simply dont allow a game to go to overtime if you have the opportunity to put it away - especially allowing the game to go to overtime when you are on the road with a lackluster defense.

#1. You are foolish to point out that the game came down to one play - a missed kick. If you play your 'Chiefs Analysis' game on the Colts as you do with Peterson and Co. - then the Colts screwed up by not attempting to shore up their defense better through drafts and free agents. A failed game does not come down to one play. It is every single mistake that has led up to that play as well.

#2. If you are attempting to bash again with the MI Chief comment, you are being childish once more. I guess I shouldnt have expected more.

Packfan
12-31-2000, 09:48 AM
Russ,

Your argument doesnt hold water. Vanderjact missed a makeable field goal. Manning and co. put the team in a position to win. In case you are not aware, Vanderjact rarely misses. But again, you want to blame Jim Mora for the loss. A road loss in overtime in the playoffs is nothing to be ashamed about. They will be back again next year. Chiefs will not. End of story.

Mi Chief,

Maybe you were just in grade school when the 13-3 Chiefs lost to the Colts at Arrowhead in 1995.

I hate educating non-educated Chief fans!

Russ, you take over.

KCWolfman
12-31-2000, 09:52 AM
Ken - I disagree wholeheartedly. The Colts may not be back, they barely slid in this year in a very tough division. Secondly, why are they on the road during the playoffs? If Mora is such a great coach, should he be in the position to be on the road to begin with?

They accomplished more last year than this year. As for blaming Mora, I will not be the only one - I guarantee several articles will be written this week on his lack of sack. 0-6 in the playoffs is no coincidence.

My first comments still stand. The Colts have accomplished less in their five year plan than the Chiefs did in theirs.

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KCWolfman
12-31-2000, 09:53 AM
BTW - I hardly call a 49 yard FG in open weather a sure FG.

Mi_chief_fan
12-31-2000, 09:54 AM
And maybe you were just reaching puberty in 1997 when the chiefs lost to the Super Bowl champions at home in one of the best, and most contraversial playoff games ever.

Mi_chief_fan
12-31-2000, 10:01 AM
Let's talk about 'Great Expectations'(Not to take away from the 'Hannibal Lecter' thread ;)). Before the season, every sportswriter outside of Tennessee & Jacksonville were ready to annoint the Colts the AFC representative in the Super Bowl. They were Lucky to make it to the playoffs, and didn't last long.

Many of those same prognosticators picked the Chiefs to finish 5-11, at best. With better coaching(even you'll have to admit this) the Chiefs could have made it in. Heck, their every bit as good as Denver.

In other words, which team had the more disappointing season?

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Mosbonian
12-31-2000, 10:09 AM
Ken:

A playoff loss, when you should be able to beat the team as you did two weeks prior, is devastating no matter where.

A loss is a loss is a loss no matter where you do it. No one cares about where you lose a playoff game, only that you lost it.

Does the loss to the Dolphins, at Miami, when, an almost always perfect Nick Lowery missed a chip shot, count any less? Especially after a "phantom" holding call?

That loss is just as painful as the one to the Jim Harbaugh-led Colts coming into Arrowhead and beating us when we were, by all proclamations of the experts, the best on paper.

As for the Colts, you seem to be giving them a little more slack, IMO, than you intend to give the Chiefs. Russ is right, if you are going to compare them, do it with the same "5 year plan". Measure the Colts the last 5 years and take the talent on both teams and you will see that the Colts slip is worse than the Chiefs.

As for my choice between Manning or Grbac, I would take Manning in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't? BUT, to be fair, you must admit that Manning is fairing no better in the big games than Grbac. Could it be true what Darrell Russell said? It appears he has something there...

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milkman
12-31-2000, 10:26 AM
How many points did the Colts score yesterday? How many did they score in last season's playoff loss? And where did they play that game last season?
Home or on the road, it seems that the Colts offense hasn't shown up. Who's the leader of that offense?

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WisChief
12-31-2000, 11:05 AM
What kind of question is "who would you pick - Grbac or Manning?" That's stupid - no offense to anyone - but WOW! This talk about Manning being in the upper echelon and Grbac not makes no sense at all. Neither one of them have PROVEN $hit. They both play very well at times and both play very poorly at others (sounds liket the other 29 starters to me). Grbac's one loss with the Chiefs in the playoffs proves that he lost one playoff game. Manning's losses in 2 consecutive seasons in the first round and his lose at Tenn seem to show a trend of loosing the big one, but I'll be fair and say let's wait one more year.

Just for the record though - I'll take Grbac, he's proven he can take the heat and perform - Manning has been a spoon fed golden boy and still looses.

Mi_chief_fan
12-31-2000, 11:42 AM
WisChief,
I like ya dude(after all, we blue collars should stick together :D), but for the record, i'll take Manning.

But it's not a fair question. A better question would be: 'Who would you take, Edgerrin James or RBBC.'

Packfan
12-31-2000, 06:17 PM
Mi Chief,

You call the 1997 Chief loss to the Broncos "one of the best, most controversial games ever"! Seriously? You must not watch a lot of playoff games. The game was a very good game, but "one of the best ever"??? Hardly. 14-10 game could hardly be considered among the "best ever" Another in a loooong line of classic statements from you! I enjoy them!

Even though the Chiefs season ends in December, try paying attention to the playoffs. That stunning, controversial, take-your-breath-away, 14-10 thriller the Chiefs played in might move down your list of great games.

KCWolfman
12-31-2000, 08:14 PM
Ken - Once again, your opinion alone...

I love low scoring games. While the droves of uninformed are brought in by 35-40 points per team, I prefer a strong defense.

To bolster Joe's point, I am willing to bet that the most interesting game in the playoffs this year will be the Ravens and Titans next week. Their defenses will tell the tale and make the game more memorable than any Warner and Co. blowout.

DaWolf
12-31-2000, 08:17 PM
Packfan,
While I'm sure winning had something to do with it, even Shanahan said of all the games he's coached, that was one of the best games he's ever been associated with...

Mi_chief_fan
01-01-2001, 07:49 AM
Is this one a classic, Kennny?

December 31, 1967

Green Bay 21
Dallas 17

The infamous 'ice bowl.'

Pretty low scoring, defensive struggle. I suppose the only reason you consider this a classic is because it involved Green Bay.

Packfan
01-01-2001, 09:50 AM
I said the game was a "very good" game. It was. But I doubt that nfl historians will rank this as one of the "best, most controversial ever". It might be for Chief fans, but nobody else.

How sorry is it for Chief fans when their best team memory is a hard fought playoff loss.

Mi Chief, Let me know when that game is replayed on the classic sports channel.

Mi_chief_fan
01-01-2001, 04:47 PM
Haven't seen the 'ice bowl' on there either.

But i did read an article(Sporting News I think) that actually ranked it pretty high on Dan Pompei's list.

Like Russ said, it's all a matter of opinion. It's certainly one of the best I've ever seen.

BTW, who said it was my favorite or best memory? I merely said that losing to Denver in a game of that magnitude was nothing to be embarassed about; you disagree.

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