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chiefsfan1963
10-03-2006, 08:03 PM
Check it out:

http://wwwww.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20061003-9999-1s3chargers.html

Chargers players among those griping about play-calling
By Kevin Acee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

October 3, 2006


K.C. ALFRED / Union-Tribune
Flanked by Dick Lewis, Chargers security head, and a police escort, coach Marty Schottenheimer walks off the field after loss.
Martyball – or is it now Camball? – has returned.

No one is happy.

Only Keenan McCardell is really saying so publicly, which should endear him to the thousands of Chargers fans who are beside themselves over Sunday's 16-13 loss in Baltimore and too many like it under Marty Schottenheimer.

But be certain about this: Not a soul at Chargers Park is pleased.

Says he ....

* Canepa: Resolute coach sticks by guns . . . and by runs

The conservative look

The uniforms may change, but Marty Schottenheimer doesn't. Three constants: 1) He wins games. 2) He loses playoff games. 3) He gets criticized far and wide for being too conservative. Some of his previous critics:


Cleveland Browns

1984-88
44-27 (2-4 in playoffs)

“When pitted against equally strong teams, Schottenheimer invariably coaches out of fear of losing.”

Gerald Strine,
Dallas Morning News, 1992


Kansas City Chiefs

1989-98
101-58-1 (3-7 in playoffs)

“The measured advance toward the playoffs is Schottenheimer's signature. So, too, is the trap door that eventually ruins the march.”

Bud Shaw,
Cleveland Plain Dealer, 1994


Washington Redskins

2001
8-8 (no playoffs)

“(Tony) Dungy adopted Schottenheimer's conservative offensive philosophy. That philosophy got Marty run out of Cleveland and Kansas City. It looks like that philosophy won't last more than a season in Washington.”

Jason Whitlock,
Kansas City Star, 2002
Many players, including McCardell, pointed out there are 13 games to play, which might be precisely the point.

Three games into a season that was supposed to be different, there is concern it might be the same old same-old. And that, as LaDainian Tomlinson said Sunday, has gotten old.

Team President Dean Spanos, whose decision it ultimately is to keep or dispatch Schottenheimer, isn't talking because “it's too early” to officially address his head coach's status.

General Manager A.J. Smith, whose issues with the head coach are well-chronicled, is making vague statements that are certainly not ringing endorsements, but neither are they ultimatums.

“Coach Schottenheimer is the head coach of the 2006 Chargers,” Smith said in response to a question about whether he was concerned about Schottenheimer's conservative coaching style. “At the end of this season we will review everything, as we always do ... He was hired to do a job, and that job is to coach the team in the manner that he deems proper.”

Spanos is on record saying he expects his team to go deep into the playoffs.

To make the playoffs – where, by the way, Schottenheimer's struggles are epic – most everyone acknowledges a team must win close games en route. Since 2004, Schottenheimer's record in games decided by seven or fewer points is 8-9.

Smith was asked if there might be a coaching change before the end of the season should the Chargers continue to lose close games.

“I don't anticipate any changes,” he said. “We are under way for '06. But if we do decide to make a change, we'll let you know. Making a coaching change during the season is not at the top of my list now. The 2007 college draft is.”

As for Schottenheimer, he and offensive coordinator Cam Cameron might be the only guys in the building not to entirely trust quarterback Philip Rivers.

Asked yesterday whether he lacked confidence in Rivers, Schottenheimer balked.

“I have complete trust in him,” said the coach, who approved a sequence of play calls that had Rivers throw just once in the third quarter Sunday.

However, Schottenheimer was asked later if Drew Brees were still the quarterback would Sunday's play-calling have been different and would he have been willing to take more risks?

“I think that is a fair assessment,” he replied. “We're not asking Philip to do all the things we asked a five-year veteran to do.”

Among the red-state leanings by Schottenheimer was the fact the Chargers ran five of the nine times they had third-and-4 or longer. Schottenheimer attributed most of the play-calling decisions to poor field position.

But field position did not explain the time the Chargers ran on third-and-6 from the Ravens' 24. It also did not explain the time they started at their 40 and ran three straight plays before punting. Running three straight times after having first-and-20 at the 20 was a little curious as well. So, too, was there reason to question the fourth-quarter decisions to run from the Ravens' 41 on first down and again from the 35 on second-and-20.

What is especially perplexing is why the usually innovative Cameron would be so docile. Schottenheimer sets the tone for the play-calling, but Cameron calls the plays. And the head coach, who does not permit the media to speak to his assistants, said that on Sunday he interceded just once.

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Schottenheimer pointed out idiosyncrasies in the Ravens defense that made the Chargers think some of their runs might pop for more yards. But they didn't.

After the game, Ravens linebacker Bart Scott said this to the Baltimore Sun: “I'm glad (Schottenheimer) stuck with his game plan, because that Rivers kid could play.”

While Schottenheimer said yesterday that Antonio Gates did need “more opportunities,” it is also debatable whether Schottenheimer and Cameron even remembered their All-Pro tight end or McCardell, who owns one of the surest pair of hands in football.

McCardell, a veteran who does not spout off accidentally, had his streak of 104 games with a reception end Sunday. Not only did he not catch a ball, he had none thrown to him.

“I'm a little (ticked off) right now,” McCardell said. “ . . . It's different when you get no balls than when you get no attempts, no play calls. You can only do what you can control.”

Oh yes, this is one fuming 2-1 team. It is not anarchy. It is a calm, simmering sort of anger. But it is palpable. People are flummoxed and hoping the present course of action is halted immediately.

Gates has just 10 receptions in three games, his lowest total in a three-game span since 2004. He also has gone two games without a touchdown reception.

“Yes, I want to do things offensively,” Gates said. “But I look at the mirror first.”

Rivers, too, takes some blame. He knows he missed Vincent Jackson for an almost-certain touchdown in the fourth quarter. His first intercepted pass of the season set up the Ravens' first touchdown in the first quarter.

“With what's been called to this point we should still be 3-0,” Rivers said. “That said, I feel confident we can throw it more and still do what we need to win. Any quarterback loves more opportunities to throw. But the ones I've got, I've still got to make.”

But Rivers played fine on Sunday. He was 9-for-14 in the first half, 4-for-8 in the second. He missed badly on, maybe, four passes.

He played it cool when told of Schottenheimer's comments about how things would have been different if a veteran QB had been under center. But he was clearly crestfallen and then a little angry.

“My hope is there isn't a lack of confidence or trust,” he said.

What Schottenheimer does absolutely trust is his defense, still ranked atop the NFL in yards allowed. His job might not be secure. But because of a unit that has allowed just 184 yards a game, Schottenheimer is secure in how he's doing his job.

“I assure you the better defense we have, the more you'll see of, quote, Martyball,” Schottenheimer said. “It's resurrected itself a little bit. I can't walk out of a game in which we only threw the ball one time in the third quarter and say it isn't back.”

Wa-Z
10-03-2006, 08:13 PM
If it was organized better I'd attempt to read it...

milkman
10-03-2006, 08:21 PM
If it was organized better I'd attempt to read it...

It essentially says Martyball sucks, and everyone but Marty knows it.

jjjayb
10-03-2006, 09:10 PM
It essentially says Martyball sucks, and everyone but Marty and Skip Towne know it.

Fixed.

Short Leash Hootie
10-03-2006, 09:12 PM
dude I'm not going to even try to read that article...

Fish
10-03-2006, 10:05 PM
A+ for presentation....... :rolleyes:

Halfcan
10-03-2006, 10:08 PM
I am sure Marty will have some droll cutsie comment on all of that.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-03-2006, 10:36 PM
I am sure Marty will have some droll cutsie comment on all of that.

I may always hate his football decisions but that swami routine was good chit man.

noa
10-03-2006, 10:43 PM
My brain hurts

DaFace
10-03-2006, 10:48 PM
Just cleaning up the thread starter.
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Chargers players among those griping about play-calling
By Kevin Acee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
October 3, 2006

Martyball – or is it now Camball? – has returned.

No one is happy.

Only Keenan McCardell is really saying so publicly, which should endear him to the thousands of Chargers fans who are beside themselves over Sunday's 16-13 loss in Baltimore and too many like it under Marty Schottenheimer.

But be certain about this: Not a soul at Chargers Park is pleased.

Many players, including McCardell, pointed out there are 13 games to play, which might be precisely the point.

Three games into a season that was supposed to be different, there is concern it might be the same old same-old. And that, as LaDainian Tomlinson said Sunday, has gotten old.

Team President Dean Spanos, whose decision it ultimately is to keep or dispatch Schottenheimer, isn't talking because “it's too early” to officially address his head coach's status.

General Manager A.J. Smith, whose issues with the head coach are well-chronicled, is making vague statements that are certainly not ringing endorsements, but neither are they ultimatums.

“Coach Schottenheimer is the head coach of the 2006 Chargers,” Smith said in response to a question about whether he was concerned about Schottenheimer's conservative coaching style. “At the end of this season we will review everything, as we always do ... He was hired to do a job, and that job is to coach the team in the manner that he deems proper.”

Spanos is on record saying he expects his team to go deep into the playoffs.

To make the playoffs – where, by the way, Schottenheimer's struggles are epic – most everyone acknowledges a team must win close games en route. Since 2004, Schottenheimer's record in games decided by seven or fewer points is 8-9.

Smith was asked if there might be a coaching change before the end of the season should the Chargers continue to lose close games.

“I don't anticipate any changes,” he said. “We are under way for '06. But if we do decide to make a change, we'll let you know. Making a coaching change during the season is not at the top of my list now. The 2007 college draft is.”

As for Schottenheimer, he and offensive coordinator Cam Cameron might be the only guys in the building not to entirely trust quarterback Philip Rivers.

Asked yesterday whether he lacked confidence in Rivers, Schottenheimer balked.

“I have complete trust in him,” said the coach, who approved a sequence of play calls that had Rivers throw just once in the third quarter Sunday.

However, Schottenheimer was asked later if Drew Brees were still the quarterback would Sunday's play-calling have been different and would he have been willing to take more risks?

“I think that is a fair assessment,” he replied. “We're not asking Philip to do all the things we asked a five-year veteran to do.”

Among the red-state leanings by Schottenheimer was the fact the Chargers ran five of the nine times they had third-and-4 or longer. Schottenheimer attributed most of the play-calling decisions to poor field position.

But field position did not explain the time the Chargers ran on third-and-6 from the Ravens' 24. It also did not explain the time they started at their 40 and ran three straight plays before punting. Running three straight times after having first-and-20 at the 20 was a little curious as well. So, too, was there reason to question the fourth-quarter decisions to run from the Ravens' 41 on first down and again from the 35 on second-and-20.

What is especially perplexing is why the usually innovative Cameron would be so docile. Schottenheimer sets the tone for the play-calling, but Cameron calls the plays. And the head coach, who does not permit the media to speak to his assistants, said that on Sunday he interceded just once.

Schottenheimer pointed out idiosyncrasies in the Ravens defense that made the Chargers think some of their runs might pop for more yards. But they didn't.

After the game, Ravens linebacker Bart Scott said this to the Baltimore Sun: “I'm glad (Schottenheimer) stuck with his game plan, because that Rivers kid could play.”

While Schottenheimer said yesterday that Antonio Gates did need “more opportunities,” it is also debatable whether Schottenheimer and Cameron even remembered their All-Pro tight end or McCardell, who owns one of the surest pair of hands in football.

McCardell, a veteran who does not spout off accidentally, had his streak of 104 games with a reception end Sunday. Not only did he not catch a ball, he had none thrown to him.

“I'm a little (ticked off) right now,” McCardell said. “ . . . It's different when you get no balls than when you get no attempts, no play calls. You can only do what you can control.”

Oh yes, this is one fuming 2-1 team. It is not anarchy. It is a calm, simmering sort of anger. But it is palpable. People are flummoxed and hoping the present course of action is halted immediately.

Gates has just 10 receptions in three games, his lowest total in a three-game span since 2004. He also has gone two games without a touchdown reception.

“Yes, I want to do things offensively,” Gates said. “But I look at the mirror first.”

Rivers, too, takes some blame. He knows he missed Vincent Jackson for an almost-certain touchdown in the fourth quarter. His first intercepted pass of the season set up the Ravens' first touchdown in the first quarter.

“With what's been called to this point we should still be 3-0,” Rivers said. “That said, I feel confident we can throw it more and still do what we need to win. Any quarterback loves more opportunities to throw. But the ones I've got, I've still got to make.”

But Rivers played fine on Sunday. He was 9-for-14 in the first half, 4-for-8 in the second. He missed badly on, maybe, four passes.

He played it cool when told of Schottenheimer's comments about how things would have been different if a veteran QB had been under center. But he was clearly crestfallen and then a little angry.

“My hope is there isn't a lack of confidence or trust,” he said.

What Schottenheimer does absolutely trust is his defense, still ranked atop the NFL in yards allowed. His job might not be secure. But because of a unit that has allowed just 184 yards a game, Schottenheimer is secure in how he's doing his job.

“I assure you the better defense we have, the more you'll see of, quote, Martyball,” Schottenheimer said. “It's resurrected itself a little bit. I can't walk out of a game in which we only threw the ball one time in the third quarter and say it isn't back.”</table>

sd4chiefs
10-03-2006, 10:49 PM
Good old Charger bandwagoning at its best. They kick ass on two really sucky teams and everyone jumps on the bandwagon and then they lose a close game and eveyone wants to fire Marty. :thumb:

SPchief
10-03-2006, 11:02 PM
"They also ran 3 straight plays on 3rd and 20"


They do know Marty is their head coach, right?

Classic martyball

milkman
10-03-2006, 11:11 PM
My brain hurts

This is a new condition?

CHIEF4EVER
10-04-2006, 02:59 AM
Wait wait wait.....MARTY - Conservative? NO WAY. LMAO

In other news....A shuttle mission is being planned with the sun being the destination. Temperatures are expected to be hot. Film at 11.

eChief
10-04-2006, 05:20 AM
Martyball didn't work past the regular season in Cleveland.
Martyball didn't work past the regular season in Kansas City.
Martyball didn't work past the regular season in Washington.
Martyball isn't working in San Diego.

Is anyone here honestly surprised that Martyball is not getting the job done in Sandyeggo?

Marty's rap has always been that he is generally good during the regular season and tanks it after the regular season. My opinion is that as he gets more successful he stops playing to win and does just exactly what he is being blamed for now, playing not to lose.

MichaelH
10-04-2006, 06:35 AM
I am happy that Martyball isn't working in San Diego. The Chargers are a team in our division that the Chiefs must play twice a season. :thumb:

Rooster
10-04-2006, 08:34 AM
Cuck the Fhargers.... o:-)

alpha_omega
10-04-2006, 09:07 AM
Martyball didn't work past the regular season in Cleveland.
Martyball didn't work past the regular season in Kansas City.
Martyball didn't work past the regular season in Washington.
Martyball isn't working in San Diego.




Thank you for the synopsis!

Coogs
10-04-2006, 09:34 AM
And Martyball had 2 fluky damn finishes against Denver when he was at Cleveland that kept him out of the Super Bowl. If he gets in on either one of those, we are probably not talking about Martyball failing today.

milkman
10-04-2006, 09:42 AM
And Martyball had 2 fluky damn finishes against Denver when he was at Cleveland that kept him out of the Super Bowl. If he gets in on either one of those, we are probably not talking about Martyball failing today.

It still comes down to this.

A couple of playoff losses her or there as the result of "fluky" luck can be expected for almost any team, or coach.

Sometimes the ball simply doesn't bounce your way.

However, when "fluky" luck bites you in the ass as consistently as it does Marty, at some point you have to look at the man, and not the bounces.

And as far as the game involving "The Drive", I don't consider that "fluky".

That might be the single greatest illustration of losing as the result of playing not to lose.

jAZ
10-04-2006, 10:15 AM
I will give Marty credit. When he had Brees, LT, McCardell and Gates... MartyBall was wide open and no one bitched. Now that they have a first-year starter at QB and a solid defense, I don't blame him for tightening it up a bit.

Basileus777
10-04-2006, 10:39 AM
“I assure you the better defense we have, the more you'll see of, quote, Martyball,” Schottenheimer said. “It's resurrected itself a little bit. I can't walk out of a game in which we only threw the ball one time in the third quarter and say it isn't back.”

If I was a Charger fan, I would die of despair after reading this quote. Someone should tell Marty that having a great defense actually allows you to be more aggressive on offense.

milkman
10-04-2006, 10:46 AM
If I was a Charger fan, I would die of despair after reading this quote. Someone should tell Marty that having a great defense actually allows you to be more aggressive on offense.

AJ Smith: "Marty, you have an oustanding defense. You can be aggressive on offense, and put some points on the board"

Marty: "La, la, la, la la, I can't hear you".

el borracho
10-04-2006, 11:05 AM
He loses a close game to go to 2-1 and people are talking about firing him? That is crazy.
The Chargers next 5 opponents are Pittsburgh (not as tough as one might think), at San Francisco, at KC and then hosting St. Louis and hosting Cleveland. There is a good chance the Chargers will be 7-1 at the halfway mark.

TEX
10-04-2006, 01:19 PM
I can understand playing conservative with a young QB. But in years past, Marty has opened it up. The Chargers offense was potent with Brees running things and the play-calling was pretty aggressive. That was untill the playoffs two years ago when Marty went conervative and tried to win it with a rookie kicker of all things. Of course he lost the game. Some things NEVER change. :shake:

Anyone remember the playoff game against the Phins when we blew a 17 point halftime lead? Lowrey's kick was about a foot short...


Fast forward to the present: I watched all Raven game last weekend and the Bolts were winning the whole time except when it mattered. I remember being on the wrong side of many like that when he was the Chiefs HC. Still, he is a good coach - I just HATE his game. But is Herm any better?

dtebbe
10-04-2006, 01:48 PM
LOL, this is like someone who buys a kia bitching becuase it isn't a corvette. YOU BOUGHT A KIA, DUMBASSES!

DT

Adept Havelock
10-04-2006, 01:55 PM
Wait wait wait.....MARTY - Conservative? NO WAY. LMAO

In other news....A shuttle mission is being planned with the sun being the destination. Temperatures are expected to be hot. Film at 11.

:LOL:
They will be fine. They decided to go there at night.

milkman
10-04-2006, 04:33 PM
LOL, this is like someone who buys a kia bitching becuase it isn't a corvette. YOU BOUGHT A KIA, DUMBASSES!

DT

The people bitching didn't buy the Kia, they just paid the money that allowed the company to buy the Kia, while they were hoping to get the 'Vette.