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Fruit Ninja
10-05-2006, 05:20 PM
Heard it on total access just now. Said he was working out with the team today. and the Chiefs are trying to come to an agreement with him.

crispystl420
10-05-2006, 05:22 PM
Heard it on total access just now. Said he was working out with the team today. and the Chiefs are trying to come to an agreement with him.

Didn't someone get reamed for suggesting this earlier in the week?

The Bad Guy
10-05-2006, 05:22 PM
Why not?Guy was a first round pick two years ago.

Woodrow Call
10-05-2006, 05:23 PM
With Sapp out for awhile it would make since. If Herm wants to take a chance on him I'll go along for the ride.

Simplex3
10-05-2006, 05:25 PM
Why not?Guy was a first round pick two years ago.
...because he sucks?

ArrowheadHawk
10-05-2006, 05:25 PM
lets leave the scouting to the scouting department if he is good enough to be a chief than so be it

Fruit Ninja
10-05-2006, 05:29 PM
...because he sucks?
He has all the tools, he would have help from Herm, Surtain, and Law. I say they get it done.

HemiEd
10-05-2006, 05:30 PM
Ok, who is this Caroll you speak of? DV's wife trying out for the Cheerleading squad?

Fruit Ninja
10-05-2006, 05:31 PM
Ok, who is this Caroll you speak of? DV's wife trying out for the Cheerleading squad?
Amhad Caroll, was the Packers first rounder in 2004. and he's a CB>

The Bad Guy
10-05-2006, 05:32 PM
...because he sucks?

What's the harm in signing him and coaching him up?

If he sucks, cut him next year with really zero invested.

If he doesn't then it's a steal.

CupidStunt
10-05-2006, 05:34 PM
Not signing him to a BARE MINIMUM deal would be the kind of move that has prevented us from doing sh*t for 35 years.

No, I'm not saying that not signing Carroll himself is bad (though it can't hurt), but it's the TYPE of move we haven't made.

Why the hell not I say.

The kid has talent. I will take KC Joyner's research (read: not Joe Schmo bullshit) over a typical fan's "he sucks" comments, and Joyner's numbers from 2005 show that Carroll was NOT THAT BAD. In fact, he was better than a NUMBER of other much higher-regarded corners.

And he was a Packer, for Christ sake. Charles Woodson isn't doing shit there and Al Harris is struggling, too.

OnTheWarpath58
10-05-2006, 05:34 PM
lets leave the scouting to the scouting department if he is good enough to be a chief than so be it

While he's probably not good enough, with the Sapp injury, we really don't have much of a choice.

Hopefully the coaching staff can find that first round talent buried inside him.....

Simply Red
10-05-2006, 05:34 PM
Amhad Caroll, was the Packers first rounder in 2004. and he's a CB>

Green? Sure.

Caroll? No.

HemiEd
10-05-2006, 05:35 PM
Amhad Caroll, was the Packers first rounder in 2004. and he's a CB>

Thank you!

Tactical Funky
10-05-2006, 05:35 PM
Caroll still has potential...

I figure it couldn't hurt us.

CupidStunt
10-05-2006, 05:35 PM
What's the harm in signing him and coaching him up?

If he sucks, cut him next year with really zero invested.

If he doesn't then it's a steal.

Exactly.

I'll get a few neg reps for my posts on this kid but like I've said, signing him to a deal with no risk = GOOD FOOTBALL DECISION.

His reward is far greater than his risk.

BIG_DADDY
10-05-2006, 05:37 PM
Take a kid like that and put him under people like Surtain and Law and who knows what you will end up with. Could be nice.

BIG_DADDY
10-05-2006, 05:38 PM
Huge upside little downside, I like risks like that.

ArrowheadHawk
10-05-2006, 05:38 PM
Take a kid like that and put him under people like Surtain and Law and who knows what you will end up with. Could be nice.
could be very nice expecially if he develops before ty law is converted to a safety

JBucc
10-05-2006, 05:39 PM
****. Why? Dude is the cockiest asshole on the face of the planet. He'll suck all game long, then when the QB overthrows a wide open reciever that just burned him, he'll act like he just picked off the pass that won the SB. I hate him.

Fruit Ninja
10-05-2006, 05:40 PM
****. Why? Dude is the cockiest asshole on the face of the planet. He'll suck all game long, then when the QB overthrows a wide open reciever that just burned him, he'll act like he just picked off the pass that won the SB. I hate him.
Becuase we need another cornerback, and he would fit perfect for the 4th spot. He has the talent, He could be coachedd by 2 very kick ass CB's and a Head coach who was a CB. There could be a HUGe upside, with very little downside.

Short Leash Hootie
10-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Like I said before...they said the same thing about Deltha O'neal in Denver, and look at him now...he's not AMAZING, but he's solid for sure...

CoMoChief
10-05-2006, 05:43 PM
I say Herm can coach him up to be a pretty solid CB. An athletic CB with good speed is something good to start with and is definately something to build on.

JBucc
10-05-2006, 05:43 PM
Becuase we need another cornerback, and he would fit perfect for the 4th spot. He has the talent, He could be coachedd by 2 very kick ass CB's and a Head coach who was a CB. There could be a HUGe upside, with very little downside.He doesn't want coaching. While he was at Arkansas, Houston Nutt was constantly in his face for holding penalties, he didn't care and once said something to the tune of "I don't care what anyone says, I'm going to hold the reciever." He's just a little self serving asshole. I think he got into a fight with another CB right when he went to GB.

Fruit Ninja
10-05-2006, 05:44 PM
He doesn't want coaching. While he was at Arkansas, Houston Nutt was constantly in his face for holding penalties, he didn't care and once said something to the tune of "I don't care what anyone says, I'm going to hold the reciever." He's just a little self serving asshole. I think he got into a fight with another CB right when he went to GB.
then they sign him to a minimum if he doesnt want coaching they cut him with no risk.

In the end we still need a 4th cornerback.

SNR
10-05-2006, 05:48 PM
I'm surprised Mecca isn't showing up begging the question, "If Carroll, then why not Rogers?"

JBucc
10-05-2006, 05:49 PM
If we really need a 4th CB, I'd rather resign Warfield.

Short Leash Hootie
10-05-2006, 05:49 PM
I'm surprised Mecca isn't showing up begging the question, "If Carroll, then why not Rogers?"
because as soon as he's signed he's going to be suspended for 4 games for smoking the reefer...

SNR
10-05-2006, 05:54 PM
because as soon as he's signed he's going to be suspended for 4 games for smoking the reefer...But... but.. butl... talent!

Smed1065
10-05-2006, 06:00 PM
If we really need a 4th CB, I'd rather resign Warfield.
I am glad he is gone and never want him back. He had to retire when we dumped him. I can say he was ok but tok us for a ride IMO.

I would rather take the same risk with someone with potential, myself. Lets see if the Pro-bowler CB's and coach can influence him.

Crashride
10-05-2006, 06:05 PM
We have the perfect coach for players like Carroll. Oh and screw warfield

Rain Man
10-05-2006, 06:07 PM
That won't set back Trent Green's recovery, will it? Will it mess Trent up if another player also thinks he's Batman?

HolmeZz
10-05-2006, 06:08 PM
Ahmad Carroll was a huge reach when the Packers took him late in the first round. I had him as a late 3rd-early day 2 guy.

Basileus777
10-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Do we really need a corner who has about 3 penatlies a game?

ArrowheadHawk
10-05-2006, 07:04 PM
Do we really need a corner who has about 3 penatlies a game?
we just need a warm body

Easy 6
10-05-2006, 07:04 PM
Amahd Rashad????...................Diane Caroll??????..................Carol Burnett??????.........................Whatever, if Herm see's potential and Benny Slapp's hurt...........why not.

Basileus777
10-05-2006, 07:30 PM
we just need a warm body

Then surely we can find one who holds a little less often.

DenverChief
10-05-2006, 07:32 PM
.Carol Burnett??????......

LMAO LMAO

Brock
10-05-2006, 07:34 PM
Nothing wrong with taking a look at him.

John_Wayne
10-05-2006, 07:54 PM
Signing Caroll is a good move. Herm has a good record with CBs.

noa
10-05-2006, 07:55 PM
Ahmad Carroll was a huge reach when the Packers took him late in the first round. I had him as a late 3rd-early day 2 guy.


Have you informed the Chiefs front office of this fact?

Halfcan
10-05-2006, 08:05 PM
We could use another dime back.

Iowanian
10-05-2006, 08:12 PM
I'm not a big fan of Carrol....but depending on how bad Sapp's knee is, the Chiefs have 3 corners on the roster.....Thats 3....enough for a nickle package if no one goes down.

While Page can play nickle and dime package, the Chiefs about have to make a move.

They're about 1 injury from needing a Tackle too.

HMc
10-05-2006, 08:25 PM
Where's the risk? You dont even have to guarantee his yearly salary at this point in the season do you?

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:28 PM
This would makeup for losing Maxey and would likely be an upgrade.......hell he's probably better than Sapp too. As nickle/dime it's a good move he wouldn't be starting here like he was in GB.

HMc
10-05-2006, 08:30 PM
we just need a warm body

ROFL

JBucc
10-05-2006, 08:31 PM
You guys are probably right. This is probably a good move for depth and possibly the future. But God if one time he screws up and costs us points I hope Gunther guts the little ****er with a rusty bayonet pulled out of Allen's drunken ass.

htismaqe
10-05-2006, 08:32 PM
Sign him. You can never have enough former 1st-rounders working for league minimum on your roster...

HMc
10-05-2006, 08:35 PM
LOCKER ROOM CANCER

Saulbadguy
10-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Sign him. You can never have enough former 1st-rounders working for league minimum on your roster...
:thumb:

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:37 PM
LOCKER ROOM CANCER

Yea so was Eddie Kennison right.......

jiveturkey
10-05-2006, 08:39 PM
I didn't think that it was possible for another team to have a first round bust.

If we sign him and then cut him can we still blame Carl for signing a bust?

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:40 PM
At worst the guy should atleast be a good gunner on special teams, he's fast as hell.

HMc
10-05-2006, 08:44 PM
Yea so was Eddie Kennison right.......
i only learnt the guy existed yesterday. just thought it was time someone panicked about his attitude.

FAX
10-05-2006, 08:45 PM
At worst the guy should atleast be a good gunner on special teams, he's fast as hell.

Good point, Mr. Mecca.

FAX

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:46 PM
i only learnt the guy existed yesterday. just thought it was time someone panicked about his attitude.

I think it's more GB having a first year coach and him deciding he didn't like Carroll or one reason or another. He's also kind of short, but he's only played 2 years it takes time for CB's.

This is the team that signs Charles Woodson to huge money when he isn't half the player he use to be.......then released their first rounder from 2 years ago. That makes me question if they know what they're doing.

jiveturkey
10-05-2006, 08:46 PM
Ran 4.26 40-yard dash in pre-draft workout.Is this even humanly possible?

FAX
10-05-2006, 08:47 PM
I think it's more GB having a first year coach and him deciding he didn't like Carroll or one reason or another. He's also kind of short, but he's only played 2 years it takes time for CB's.

This is the team that signs Charles Woodson to huge money when he isn't half the player he use to be.......then released their first rounder from 2 years ago. That makes me question if they know what they're doing.

If they knew what they were doing, they would have to reconsider starting Farve.

I get the feeling they're only playing him for the publicity.

FAX

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:48 PM
Is this even humanly possible?

Yes.....there was a guy who played for the Bills and Redskins, Antonio Brown who ran a 4.18 at 1 point.

The fastest combine time is Deion Sanders, I think it's something like 4.24

Brock
10-05-2006, 08:50 PM
Sign him. You can never have enough former 1st-rounders working for league minimum on your roster...

Let's sign Charles Rogers while we're at it.

tk13
10-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Considering Law, Surtain and Walls have firmly entrenched themselves as a very good top 3 set of corners, plus a solid 4th corner in Sapp, I wouldn't be too concerned about this. If they bring him in it'll just be as a special teams guy with the chance to keep working on his cover skills.

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:52 PM
Carrolls upside is much much higher than Sapps, and he has starting experience.

beer bacon
10-05-2006, 08:52 PM
Becuase we need another cornerback, and he would fit perfect for the 4th spot. He has the talent, He could be coachedd by 2 very kick ass CB's and a Head coach who was a CB. There could be a HUGe upside, with very little downside.

He wouldn't fit at all. He is the cornerback equivalent to Ryan Sims. All he will do if he makes it onto the field is get burnt and get called for penalties. Flagman sucks.

Tribal Warfare
10-05-2006, 08:52 PM
Is this even humanly possible?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/41177.html

his real combine numbers

Mecca
10-05-2006, 08:52 PM
He wouldn't fit at all. He is the cornerback equivalent to Ryan Sims. All he will do if he makes it onto the field is get burnt and get called for penalties. Flagman sucks.

You do know that Ty Law led corners in flags last year right?

Basileus777
10-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Yes.....there was a guy who played for the Bills and Redskins, Antonio Brown who ran a 4.18 at 1 point.

The fastest combine time is Deion Sanders, I think it's something like 4.24

Bo Jackson has that record with a supposed 4.18. Though he probably really ran a 4.23.

jiveturkey
10-05-2006, 08:53 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/41177.html

his real combine numbers
Not bad.

He is a flag magnent though.

wazu
10-05-2006, 10:37 PM
I actually respect the way he took blame for the loss and didn't try to play the victim. I don't know if he is any good, but I do know there are more things wrong with the Packer's pass defense than their nickelback.

wazu
10-05-2006, 10:39 PM
You do know that Ty Law led corners in flags last year right?

No, as a matter of fact I DID NOT!

boogblaster
10-05-2006, 11:57 PM
Look him over if he holds..bailiff whack his pee-pee....

Basileus777
10-06-2006, 12:09 AM
Look him over if he holds..bailiff whack his pee-pee....

:spock:

SNR
10-06-2006, 12:46 AM
At the very least maybe Herm can coach something out of him

CupidStunt
10-06-2006, 06:06 AM
You do know that Ty Law led corners in flags last year right?

And he has 0 this year.

stumppy
10-06-2006, 06:35 AM
..bailiff whack his pee-pee....


:LOL:LMAO

Gawd I haven't heard that in years and years. Anytime I ever say it I get the ole :spock: look.

Luzap
10-06-2006, 08:29 AM
I understand that there are other teams interested in him too.

Luz
how much would you pay???...

Easy 6
10-06-2006, 08:38 AM
LMAO LMAO
I have ALWAYS believed that Bob Ross was Jesus's right hand man here on earth, he should be put up for Sainthood. I loved that dude. :thumb:

Short Leash Hootie
10-06-2006, 08:56 AM
Ahmad Carroll was a huge reach when the Packers took him late in the first round. I had him as a late 3rd-early day 2 guy.
posts like these make me LOL