View Full Version : Marty McDonald Being Interviewed on WHB Right Now

01-04-2001, 04:46 PM
St. Louis wants a 1st and 4th for DV.
Chiefs believe Rams are due NOTHING due to the way his contract had been structured.

01-04-2001, 04:50 PM
What a stroke of genius if Carl can pull this one off without having to give up any comp...then I might actually call him King Carl out of respect...in another story I read both he and Lamar feel like they shouldn't have to give up comp...Lamar has some pull with the league...can't say the same about Georgia Fronteniere or whatever the hell her name is...

The very best they should get is a 3rd and a 4th... :p to you Rams

01-04-2001, 04:59 PM
It sure will be interesting to see how this comes out, if it does go to arbitration.

However Vermeil's contract was structured, I find it hard to believe that KC won't have to give up something to the Rams.

Anybody have any thoughts about how this kind of thing might go down if the NFL has to settle the compensation question?

01-04-2001, 05:03 PM
If the NFL has to step in, I think we'll have to provide more compensation than we would have if we were able to resolve amongst ourselves. The NFL doesn't like to step into silly squabbles between teams.

01-04-2001, 05:24 PM
Could it be possible, as is being suggested on WHB, that KC is being so covert on details (Haven't admitted Gun's been fired, or that they're even negotiating w/ Vermeil, etc...) is that Carl is trying to work a deal to get D.V. in "exchange" for sending Gunther to St. Louis to be their DC next year?


01-04-2001, 05:37 PM
Doubt it, FlaChief. Gun's being fired. We don't own his rights any longer if we can him. He may do as he wishes.

01-04-2001, 05:53 PM
No, KPhob--I know Gun's fired. I'm talking about some sort of back-handed, back room deal that might have Vermiel coming to KC w/ the Rams blessings (Seems unlikely, everything I hear suggests that Rams mgmnt. is furious right now--they feel betrayed by DV by even negotiating w/ another team)

Gun, now out of a job, may welcome going to St.L as their DC, and at the same time, this in itself, might placate the Rams.

Yeah, know it's out there. But a thought I found interesting nevertheless.

Tribal Warfare
01-04-2001, 05:59 PM
Concerning the interview, did it sound like Peterson is going to pull it off? Or are Chiefs going to get screwed with the compensation?

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01-04-2001, 06:10 PM
I hope we don't have to give the Lambs a g#ddamn thing. Screw 'em! If I were a neutral observer in all this, I'd say that this whole thing is being handled badly. But I'm biased as hell, and I fully support Carl's efforts to f#ck the universe if it gets us a decent coaching staff and hopefully a Superbowl win!



Have I ever mentioned that I hate Denver?

01-04-2001, 06:22 PM
Those Sons of B!tches only gave a two and five for Marshall Faulk yet they think a 60 year old coach is worth a one and a four...I'd give them a fifty pound bag of $hit and not a dime more... :mad:

[b]Leading the Dan Morgan bandwagon</B>

01-04-2001, 06:25 PM
I concur, jl. I used to root for St. Louis because they were from Missouri (if they weren't playing the Chiefs). That all ends this day. F#CK ST. LOUIS! :mad:

I may not even root for the Cardinals any more after this!


Have I ever mentioned that I hate Denver?

01-04-2001, 06:29 PM
From sporting news:

One source familiar with the situation, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press that Cunningham, a respected defensive coordinator until he became head coach, might take a similar position with St. Louis to lessen the compensation due the Rams.

Interesting... <P>

01-04-2001, 06:32 PM
After they look at game film of our defense this year they will want two 1st rounders to go along with that 4th... :D

[b]Leading the Dan Morgan bandwagon</B>

01-04-2001, 06:34 PM
Let me try to sum up everything as I understand it at the moment.

There are 2 sides to this story:

1. The Rams say that Vermeil left very much of his own accord after the 1999 season. They also insist that DV gave them a verbal promise that he would NEVER consider coaching in the NFL again, and should he change his mind down the road, that he would only consider coming back to the Rams. They feel that DV has betrayed them by negotiating with KC w/o acknowledging St. Louis 1st. They want compensation (1st and 4th rnd picks). They may also want DV to return the $2M bonus paid after the Super Bowl.

2. The Chiefs--and this is conjecture,as KC is saying nothing officially at the moment--say that when preliminary negs. began, Vermeil said he was more or less forced out of StL cuz the Rams were afraid they would lose Mike Martz to another team if he wasn't promoted to HC following the SB season. Carl/Lamar are looking closely into the revelation to see if it provides an "out"--in other words, they prefer not to give up anything to get DV.

This could get really interesting in the next few days...

01-04-2001, 06:37 PM
Maybe Carl is not going to fire Gunther. Maybe he is going to replace him as HC. If he does not fire Gunther, would'nt that keep Gun from going to Denver as DC? That is the kind of hardass GM Carl is. If he makes Gun honor his contract as something like advisor, or scout and Gun quits wouldnt a new team such as STL or Den or WASH owe us compensation? Just a thought.

01-04-2001, 06:41 PM
The retirement agreement did not stipulate that Vermeil could not return to coaching.

``I didn't think that was necessary,'' Shaw said.

Shaw didn't directly address rumors the Rams are interested in hiring former Chiefs coach
Gunther Cunningham, the man Vermeil would be replacing, as defensive coordinator.

``That's news to me,'' Shaw said.

He also said he didn't know whether Vermeil would try to take any of his former assistants still in St. Louis with him to Kansas City.

01-04-2001, 06:44 PM
I have no sympathy at all for the Rams for failing to cover their asses re: Vermeil's possible return. It's not like Vermeil didn't retire from the NFL once already--his first retirement was easily one of the most sensational in the NFL in the last 25 years and, unlike Gibbs and Madden, he came back to the NFL. That BIG-A$$ fact aside, how in the hell are you going to expect someone at the top of their profession never to return? Simple prudence would behoove any competent administration to prepare for a possible return. It's not Carl's fault that the Rams were so giddy and dumb.

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01-04-2001, 06:54 PM

If Gunther quits/resigns from the Chiefs, then any team he may work for subsequently (during the remaining length of his contract w/ KC) would have to compensate the Chiefs.

If Gun is fired and goes to another team, then nobody owes us anything.

That's the way I understand it, anyway...

01-04-2001, 08:15 PM
If the Chiefs have to give comp., then shouldn't 2 third round picks be the most that the Rams could hope for? That is what KC got for Marty. ESPN compared the comp. for D.V. going to KC to the 1st and 4th that KC would have received last year if Marty went to Greenbay. I don't think that is a fair comparison as Marty still had 2 years left on his contract.

When making comparisons, always use the best and most recent.

Fraz, Don't even associate the Rams with the Cardinals. I will always be a Redbird fan.

01-04-2001, 08:17 PM
Maybe that is the answer as why no announcment from the Chiefs. What if Carl reassigns Gun? KC must pay his salary anyway so what does KC benefit from firing him? One thing about Carl I am positive of is that he will do ANYTHING, no matter how low, that is in the Chiefs best interest. It is in the Chiefs best interest to not let Gun take over the DC in Denver.

01-04-2001, 08:46 PM
Don't worry, Bricky, with the exception of '85, I've always rooted for the Cards. They've been there all my life, as opposed to the Interlopers.


Have I ever mentioned that I hate Denver?

01-05-2001, 02:53 AM
"On Friday, we will file a grievance with the league, and ask the commissioner (Paul Tagliabue) to have a full evidentiary hearing on this matter," Rams president John Shaw said Thursday evening.

If it got to a hearing, it would be held within a week or so, Shaw said. "At this point, the commissioner's going to take the testimony - have a full testimony hearing of all of the people involved," Shaw said.

The Rams want a first-round draft pick from the Chiefs if Vermeil is allowed to coach Kansas City in 2001. The Chiefs are offering less than that, although the exact terms of the Kansas City offer is unknown. After speaking with team owners Georgia Frontiere and Stan Kroenke on Wednesday, Shaw hardened his stance.

"I was worried about the PR perception of Dick coaching again, back in Missouri with a state rival, when in fact he really should've been coaching for us these two years," Shaw said. "And I think Georgia concurred with that. After discussing it with her, we concluded that the best thing for us right now would be to not have the Chiefs pursue this." <P>

01-05-2001, 02:54 AM

The Rams, by the way, are scheduled to play their fourth preseason game next summer against the Chiefs at the Trans World Dome, in a renewal of the Governor's Cup series.

"Emotionally, we'd have a hard time with him coming back and coaching anywhere - not necessarily in Missouri," Shaw said.

The Rams agreed to pay Vermeil $2 million after he announced his retirement. According to Shaw, the payment was made partly as a "thank you" to Vermeil for coaching the Rams to a Super Bowl title and partly to "provide him a flow of income over the next several years when he wasn't coaching. He wanted to make sure that his pension was vested in those years that he wasn't coaching."

The terms of the $2 million payment - $500,000 a year over a four-year period - were formalized in a two-page document.

"Now the Chiefs are alleging that by entering into that agreement, we are extinguishing his original contract," Shaw said. "We obviously argue that it makes no sense that if he quit and we didn't pay him anything, that he would have greater rights than if he quit and we voluntarily paid him."

--From an article in the St Louis Post-Dispatch by James Thomas<P>

01-05-2001, 06:32 AM
I'm not sure how the Rams can expect a first rounder for him. The Parcells-NE fiasco was between division rivals, so a large compensation would be understandable. I'm sure Carl wouldn't let Marty go to the Chargers for only 2 third rounders. Chiefs and Rams are in different conferences, so the compensation should be less. i was shocked last season when it was reported that GB was going to give a 1 and 4 for Marty. That was a little high in my mind.