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TinyEvel
10-10-2006, 11:10 AM
I laughed out loud at the end of this video.

Not sure if it's from surprise, or a feeling of "of course!" or just becasue the Cards fan is whining, or if I'm relieved nobody caught it, or if it even matters. :shrug:

Watch this and check out the end!

Did anyone else catch this? I didn't see it posted anywhere.

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jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:12 AM
There would have been a f*cking lynch mob if the flag had been thrown.

kepp
10-10-2006, 11:15 AM
That's gotta be from the same clown that made the "Brian Waters was holding so it was okay to twist LJ's head off" video.

ferrarispider95
10-10-2006, 11:19 AM
But, the play was dead. I thought it was only if play was in progress.

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:19 AM
That's gotta be from the same clown that made the "Brian Waters was holding so it was okay to twist LJ's head off" video.Kansas City won a game against Cleveland because one of their LBs took his helmet off in that situation and gave us an extra 15 yards to make the FG.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that Sims could have screwed us.

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:20 AM
But, the play was dead. I thought it was only if play was in progress.Nope. You can't take your helmet off on the field at any time.

jidar
10-10-2006, 11:20 AM
hahahaha.
God Sims is a ****ing moron though, it could have been called and it could have cost us the game.

I'm reminded of the season opener against the Bengals in 2003.

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 11:21 AM
But, the play was dead. I thought it was only if play was in progress.

Exactly.

What an idiot.

Everybody should comment on that video and say "Your and idiot"

jynni
10-10-2006, 11:21 AM
From what I would gather, since it happened after the kick was signaled no good, any penalty would be assessed on the next play. It wouldn't be a re-kick. The only thing that would've happened would be KC kneeling down 15 yards further back.

Stupid Cards fans...

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 11:21 AM
Nope. You can't take your helmet off on the field at any time.

Schwaa? Seriously?

JBucc
10-10-2006, 11:22 AM
****ing Sims

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:22 AM
hahahaha.
God Sims is a ****ing moron though, it could have been called and it could have cost us the game.

I'm reminded of the season opener against the Bengals in 2003.It was at Cleveland in 2002.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20020908_KC@CLE

Dwayne Rudd.

Reerun_KC
10-10-2006, 11:24 AM
It should of been called. I dont know why they let him get away with that...

We were watching the game and just waiting for the flag on that one.

AZ fans have a true gripe, they were jobbed on that one..... Shitty Officals like always!

Simms is such a tool!

Jidar - Browns game and I think it was 02 wasnt it?

StcChief
10-10-2006, 11:24 AM
F' PISS poor refs.
I saw that too at game time. Didn't see the clock thought it went to 0:00....

Sims should catch hell from Gun for that one. MAKE EVERYONE WATCH IT AGAIN.

Game can't end on D penality

TinyEvel
10-10-2006, 11:24 AM
That's gotta be from the same clown that made the "Brian Waters was holding so it was okay to twist LJ's head off" video.


Yeah, I checked his videos. It is.

I put down a few nice comments on his page. I noticed Jidar got a good one in there, too.

DaFace
10-10-2006, 11:25 AM
The play was dead. It should have been a penalty, but the change of possession would not have been affected. It would have been Chiefs ball - 15 yards back. We would have had to kneel on it a but further toward our end zone.

THIS WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED OUTCOME OF THE GAME.

jidar
10-10-2006, 11:25 AM
Kansas City won a game against Cleveland because one of their LBs took his helmet off in that situation and gave us an extra 15 yards to make the FG.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that Sims could have screwed us.


Was it the Browns? I thought it was the Bengals but you might be right. Either way I'm sure we're both remembering the exact game.

The sitatuation was identical. We missed a kick, one of the players took his helmet off in celebration, and they called it giving us a shorter kick which we then made.

Looks like we got lucky both times. Someone needs to tell that idiot Sims to keep his fkin helmet on though.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 11:25 AM
Those dirty cheatin' Chiefs.

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:25 AM
From what I would gather, since it happened after the kick was signaled no good, any penalty would be assessed on the next play. It wouldn't be a re-kick. The only thing that would've happened would be KC kneeling down 15 yards further back.

Stupid Cards fans...You may have a point there.

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 11:28 AM
Was it the Browns? I thought it was the Bengals but you might be right. Either way I'm sure we're both remembering the exact game.

The sitatuation was identical. We missed a kick, one of the players took his helmet off in celebration, and they called it giving us a shorter kick which we then made.

Looks like we got lucky both times. Someone needs to tell that idiot Sims to keep his fkin helmet on though.

No, Rudd thought Green was sacked and he took off his helmet and threw it. But before Green hit the ground he tossed it backwards to John Tait, who took it and ran a good distance. The 15 yards tacked onto the run put them in Morten Andersen's range, and he hit the gamewinner with no time left on the clock.

Earthling
10-10-2006, 11:28 AM
Since this happened "after" field goal was missed and posession changed I would imagine Chiefs should have had a penalty assessed to them but retained the ball. ??

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:28 AM
Was it the Browns? I thought it was the Bengals but you might be right. Either way I'm sure we're both remembering the exact game.

The sitatuation was identical. We missed a kick, one of the players took his helmet off in celebration, and they called it giving us a shorter kick which we then made.

Looks like we got lucky both times. Someone needs to tell that idiot Sims to keep his fkin helmet on though.Your memory is sketchy.

We didn't miss a FG. Green was getting sacked on what would have been the last play of the game. He "fumbled" the ball to John Tait who took off downfield, eventually getting tackled (or maybe going out of bounds). But the clock was at zero either way. The game can't end on a defensive penalty, so we got the 15 yards that put us in FG range and made the kick to win by 1 point.

jidar
10-10-2006, 11:29 AM
No, Rudd thought Green was sacked and he took off his helmet and threw it. But before Green hit the ground he tossed it backwards to John Tait, who took it and ran a good distance. The 15 yards tacked onto the run put them in Morten Andersen's range, and he hit the gamewinner with no time left on the clock.

Yep you're right. My mind must be going. Too much vodka?

Earthling
10-10-2006, 11:31 AM
Oops..Should'a read all the posts first...What Daface said..

burt
10-10-2006, 11:31 AM
Too much vodka?

um....yes please.....

listopencil
10-10-2006, 11:34 AM
So anyway, what did you guys think of Leinart?

JBucc
10-10-2006, 11:35 AM
Since this happened "after" field goal was missed and posession changed I would imagine Chiefs should have had a penalty assessed to them but retained the ball. ??
:hmmm:

DaFace
10-10-2006, 11:36 AM
So anyway, what did you guys think of Leinart?

Ha, nice thread hijack. I thought he played extremely well under the circumstances. I expected us to totally dominate them when they were on offense, and it just didn't happen. He's got a bright future, I'd say.

Sully
10-10-2006, 11:36 AM
They have gotten really lax on the helmet thing since that Cleveland game. I see players popping their tops all the time now, with no problem.
I think it was a "nature of the rule" sort of thing. They were trying to get players to stop popping off their helmet for glory (like Sims did) but probably felt the interpretation had the possibility of going way overboard, so are a lot more judicious about using it now.

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:37 AM
So anyway, what did you guys think of Leinart?He looked solid. The early bomb he hit was a mismatch (Lenny Walls on Anquan Boldin?), and after that he did a good job exploiting the weak spot of our defense. Good first day out.

JBucc
10-10-2006, 11:38 AM
So, about that other video on Waters hold, I don't think it was a hold but if it was called, the penalties would offset, but would they replay the down or would it be 1st down for us where LJ was decapitated? I can't recall what happens on offsetting penalties.

DaFace
10-10-2006, 11:40 AM
So, about that other video on Waters hold, I don't think it was a hold but if it was called, the penalties would offset, but would they replay the down or would it be 1st down for us where LJ was decapitated? I can't recall what happens on offsetting penalties.

It was NOT a hold. You are allowed to grab the jersey inside the shoulders like that as long as you're pushing - not pulling.

I'm pretty sure it would have been a replay of the down, though.

Bob Dole
10-10-2006, 11:41 AM
Kansas City won a game against Cleveland because one of their LBs took his helmet off in that situation and gave us an extra 15 yards to make the FG.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that Sims could have screwed us.

On the play you're referring to, wasn't the ball still live and in play?

InvinciBill
10-10-2006, 11:43 AM
From what I would gather, since it happened after the kick was signaled no good, any penalty would be assessed on the next play. It wouldn't be a re-kick. The only thing that would've happened would be KC kneeling down 15 yards further back.

Stupid Cards fans...

This is correct. What a huge non-issue.

Sully
10-10-2006, 11:43 AM
On the play you're referring to, wasn't the ball still live and in play?

Yes.
But that doesn't matter as far as the what the penalty was meant to stop (Emmit Smith pulling off his helmet after TDs).

jspchief
10-10-2006, 11:44 AM
On the play you're referring to, wasn't the ball still live and in play?It may have been, but it doesn't matter. The rule was created because Emmitt Smith took his helmet off after every TD he scored (post TD, dead ball). If you take your helmet off between the lines, it's 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty. Granted there are going to be exceptions for getting it knocked off, or taking it off for injury.

But as someone else mentioned, being after the kick was missed, the penalty probably would have been assessed after the turnover on downs.

WilliamTheIrish
10-10-2006, 11:44 AM
So anyway, what did you guys think of Leinart?

He was all world. Will be in the Pro Bowl this season.

mrbiggz
10-10-2006, 11:44 AM
Did anyone notice that Rackers didn't have his helmet on while coming on to the field? If mofo'z want to knit pick then that should have been a 15 yard penalty to put the out of field goal range.

CoMoChief
10-10-2006, 11:55 AM
That video did not show Sims taking the helmet off when the kick was still in progress.

Once the ref calls the result of the FG (whether it's good or no good) the play is dead after that point. The video did show Sims taking his helmet off AFTER the refs made that call. There may have been 1 or 2 seconds left on the clock, but the play was dead. Therefore the play was dead at the point Sims took his helmet off.

Cardinals fans are ****ing retarded if they really think they got screwed this game. If Denny Green wasn't such a ****ing idiot play caller the Cards would have come out that day with a W.

In the 2002 game against the Browns when Dwayne Rudd threw his helmet off during the play IIRC Trent Green was about to get sacked and then Rudd got excited and celebrated however Trent Green fumbled the ball therefore the play wasn't over. I could be wrong on this. In that case the play was still going on before the whistle was even blown, therefore that particular incident would result in a penalty.

noa
10-10-2006, 11:55 AM
This guy must have a lot of time on his hands if he can make a video for everything that goes wrong with the Cardinals season.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 11:58 AM
He looked solid. The early bomb he hit was a mismatch (Lenny Walls on Anquan Boldin?), and after that he did a good job exploiting the weak spot of our defense. Good first day out.

I was wishing the Broncos could get him in the draft last year because I got to see him play out here in California. He impressed me quite a bit in college. A "football smart" guy who did well under pressure. I remember him calling an audible on fourth down in the championship game and I was thinking, "Jesus. That took some balls." Warner crapped his pants and left the door open for him. I expect him to run with it.

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 12:02 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 12:04 PM
Once the ref calls the result of the FG (whether it's good or no good) the play is dead after that point. The video did show Sims taking his helmet off AFTER the refs made that call. There may have been 1 or 2 seconds left on the clock, but the play was dead. Therefore the play was dead at the point Sims took his helmet off.





I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. It's not a big deal. Simms taking off his helmet had nothing to do with the play and did not effect the kick at all. But if the play was dead when the signal was given then KC would have had to go out and kneel down to kill those couple of seconds. Also, if a ref had thrown a flag at any point the officiating crew could have done a re-kick.

Frosty
10-10-2006, 12:04 PM
I think some of the players and coaches thought the game was over. I saw Herm start to run to the center of the field and then look at the scoreboard. He then ran back to the sideline holding up two fingers and waving the offense onto the field.

I was under the impression that the main reason they flagged Rudd is because he threw his helmet while the play was still going on. I know the wording is that you can't take the helmet off while on the field, but you see players doing that all the time as they jog off to the sidelines between plays.

WilliamTheIrish
10-10-2006, 12:04 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant.


This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 12:06 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant

I agree. Plus, the penalty wouldn't have changed the outcome.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 12:06 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant



Repost.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3471048&postcount=45

HemiEd
10-10-2006, 12:07 PM
Most threads could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant


FYP :D

plbrdude
10-10-2006, 12:14 PM
1 question... cards fans whining bout sims takin off helmet. what about rackers running onto field w/o helmet and putting it on? is the penalty situation about removing your helmet or not having it on? imo we got took before them.

Halfcan
10-10-2006, 12:15 PM
Simms should be cut.

Tactical Funky
10-10-2006, 12:15 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant.

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 12:17 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant.

Repost. Can't find the link though.

Baby Lee
10-10-2006, 12:19 PM
This thread could get downsized to about five posts. All the rest are redundant.
We could ameliorate the redundancy of this thread by reducing it to about five posts.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 12:20 PM
Repost. Can't find the link though.



Repost.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3471065&postcount=51

htismaqe
10-10-2006, 12:23 PM
Sims took off his helmet - it should have been flagged.

However, his helmet came off after the play was over. It would have been assessed on the kickoff.

The Chiefs won and that would not have changed.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 12:23 PM
Ha, nice thread hijack. I thought he played extremely well under the circumstances. I expected us to totally dominate them when they were on offense, and it just didn't happen. He's got a bright future, I'd say.


I ddin't notice this post earlier. I thought AZ had a good offense for Leinart to work with. I can understand how the O-Line would get heat pass blocking for Warner, the guy has almost zero mobility. Even a rookie Leinart should be an upgrade for them.

listopencil
10-10-2006, 12:24 PM
We could ameliorate the redundancy of this thread by reducing it to about five posts.



Is Emilio Rait your porn name?

WilliamTheIrish
10-10-2006, 12:28 PM
Is Emilio Rait your porn name?

No. Hyman Mangler is my porn name.

CoMoChief
10-10-2006, 12:32 PM
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. It's not a big deal. Simms taking off his helmet had nothing to do with the play and did not effect the kick at all. But if the play was dead when the signal was given then KC would have had to go out and kneel down to kill those couple of seconds. Also, if a ref had thrown a flag at any point the officiating crew could have done a re-kick.


Yeah but it could be the same thing about the Rams Pats SB 5 saesons ago. I think there was 1 second left on the clock after Vinatieri's kick and they didnt do anything about it.

mcan
10-10-2006, 12:34 PM
Repost...


Did you guys hear, the Chiefs are looking at Corey Dillon!?




Anyway, players rarely get called for taking their helmets off unless it's DURING play, or if it's flagrant, like THROWING your own or someone else's helmet. It's unsportsmanlike conduct, and dangerous. They call it according to the spirit of the law. The refs don't want to be the reason someone wins or loses, and there is no way Ryan Sims gets called. The two fingers that Herm held up, I believe, is for "V"ICTORY FORMATION.


I absolutely LOVED that Browns game in '02. I've watched it several times and the situation was completely different. Dwayne Rudd had THROWN his helmet downfield about 15 seconds prior to the play being blown dead. John Tait was running along the sideline, and eventually got pushed out of bounds. We got the tack-on 15 and an untimed down. Morton put the game away.

CoMoChief
10-10-2006, 12:35 PM
Sims took off his helmet - it should have been flagged.

However, his helmet came off after the play was over. It would have been assessed on the kickoff.

The Chiefs won and that would not have changed.


You don't kick it off after a missed FG. Maybe I misunderstood your post.

L.A. Chieffan
10-10-2006, 12:35 PM
Forget the non-call, the missed kick, the video, the bee-gees, rackers, youtube, redundancy, the point of this thread is

SIMS IS A FUC_KING RETARD!!!

FAX
10-10-2006, 12:35 PM
Can somebody just post the CliffsNotes of this thread?

FAX

jynni
10-10-2006, 12:37 PM
Can somebody just post the CliffsNotes of this thread?

FAX
Cards fans are morons.

Ryan Simms is too.

L.A. Chieffan
10-10-2006, 12:38 PM
BTW, someone should make a vid of LJ getting his head ripped of by Rolle, interspliced with images of people with broken necks and maybe some apocalypse now clips and have some very psycedelic music playing in the background

mcan
10-10-2006, 12:39 PM
Can somebody just post the CliffsNotes of this thread?

FAX


-Video shows Ryan Sims took his helmet off after the missed kick, and the guy who made this video mistakenly thinks that should have given his team another shot at the game winner. He makes this assertion because there was still 2 seconds left on the clock.

-The point of contention is two-fold.

1. Players RARELY get called for having their helmet off after a play. The Browns game in 2002 was only a penalty because Rudd threw his helmet DURING the play, instead of waiting until after the whistle.

2. Even if the penalty had been called, it would have been enforced AFTER the change of possession. We would have taken a knee 15 yards closer to our own endzone. No big whoop.

Wile_E_Coyote
10-10-2006, 12:40 PM
When the Chiefs went on the field for the final 2 seconds for the kneel down. Was LJ out there? I have heard he was

FAX
10-10-2006, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the summaries, gentlemen. Greatly appreciated.

I guess this thread could now be reduced to just a couple of posts?

FAX

CosmicPal
10-10-2006, 12:46 PM
When the Chiefs went on the field for the final 2 seconds for the kneel down. Was LJ out there? I have heard he was

Yes, he was.

With helmet on.

Garcia Bronco
10-10-2006, 12:50 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down. You guys know this ala Dwayne Rudd

htismaqe
10-10-2006, 12:51 PM
You don't kick it off after a missed FG. Maybe I misunderstood your post.

Yeah, I'm retarted.

Anyhoo...

The penalty would have been assessed AFTER change of possession. Arizona doesn't get to kick again...

mcan
10-10-2006, 12:53 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down.



I think you need to watch more football. The missed kick had already happened. Chiefs ball, even with the penalty (which I'd say has a 20:1 chance of EVER getting called). I'd say the same thing if it were the Cardinals and the Broncos...

Brock
10-10-2006, 12:53 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down. You guys know this ala Dwayne Rudd

That play wasn't a field goal attempt. You don't know the rules very well.

htismaqe
10-10-2006, 12:53 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down. You guys know this ala Dwayne Rudd

Not if the penalty was called after the whistle blew. Dwayne Rudd threw his helmet BEFORE the whistle blew. Ryan Sims didn't.

Garcia Bronco
10-10-2006, 12:54 PM
It does not matter when you take off the helmet...I've seen it...Michael Westbrooke did it after the play and it was not treated as a post play foul.

JBucc
10-10-2006, 12:54 PM
Did anyone notice that Rackers didn't have his helmet on while coming on to the field? If mofo'z want to knit pick then that should have been a 15 yard penalty to put the out of field goal range.Heh didn't notice that. This is a stupid rule anyway. Unless you throw it or do what Emmitt used to do it shouldn't be a problem.

redskin
10-10-2006, 12:54 PM
It would have still been KC's ball because it was a dead ball penalty and the kick gave the ball to KC. I also noticed a Cardinals player, either Player or Rackers had their helmet off too.

Garcia Bronco
10-10-2006, 12:55 PM
That play wasn't a field goal attempt. You don't know the rules very well.
I didn't see it. That was implied in the way I worded my post. And I don't care...right or wrong the game is over and the winner declared.

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 12:56 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down. You guys know this ala Dwayne Rudd

Rudd = Play still in progress
Sims = Play is dead

Don't know if this has been posted yet.

Brock
10-10-2006, 12:56 PM
I didn't see it. That was implied in the way I worded my post. And I don't care...right or wrong the game is over and the winner declared.

I don't care either. You were wrong and have been corrected.

mcan
10-10-2006, 12:57 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down. You guys know this ala Dwayne Rudd


Even if Ryan Sims had taken off his helmet, HULKED OUT, jumped on top of the kicker and beat him senseless, it's still the Chiefs' ball, just 15 yards closer to the end zone. Of course, Ryan gets ejected from the game, fined, suspended, and possibly arrested and made to spend years in a padded room while scientists look at his DNA to figure out how he managed to turn into The HULK. No matter how bad a penalty is, you don't EVER get the ball back once it has been legitamately given away.

FAX
10-10-2006, 12:58 PM
So, we win?

FAX

mcan
10-10-2006, 12:59 PM
So, we win?

FAX


That's great... ROFL

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 01:00 PM
Haha, Rackers took off his helmet too. OFFSETTING PENALTIES!!! WOOHOO!!!

TinyEvel
10-10-2006, 01:12 PM
Man, I should have made this a poll, as to whether it ws a dead play or a penalty with rekick, or penalty of -15yds from spot of posession with subsequent Huard kneel.
ANy more hijacks or redundancies and I have license to either a)Plug TGi Friday's appetizers again b)casually mention how I wrote Wingman or c) post a YouTube Video of me picking my nose at a stoplight.

siberian khatru
10-10-2006, 01:18 PM
I think the Rudd thing was called because, IIRC, he THREW his helmet. If he had removed it and held it in his hands while whooping and hollering, I doubt they would've called it.

Oh, and in case it hasn't been mentioned, the AZ play was dead after the field goal attempt failed.

Thig Lyfe
10-10-2006, 01:19 PM
I think the Rudd thing was called because, IIRC, he THREW his helmet. If he had removed it and held it in his hands while whooping and hollering, I doubt they would've called it.

Oh, and in case it hasn't been mentioned, the AZ play was dead after the field goal attempt failed.

Not a repost.

CoMoChief
10-10-2006, 01:22 PM
if the game was not over and the helmet came off...it should have been unsportsman like and the ball moved up for an automatic first down. You guys know this ala Dwayne Rudd

Rudd = Play was still in progress.

Fatass Sims = play was over. When the refs signal the missed FG, the play is dead. The video shows Sims taking his helmet off after the play was dead, after the refs signaled the missed FG.

END OF STORY!!!!

WilliamTheIrish
10-10-2006, 01:41 PM
Somebody told me there is a Cards fan who has posted video of Sims taking his helmet off during/after the FG attempt.

siberian khatru
10-10-2006, 01:42 PM
Somebody told me there is a Cards fan who has posted video of Sims taking his helmet off during/after the FG attempt.

Link?

ChiefsFan4Life
10-10-2006, 01:42 PM
Wouldn't have mattered, it was after the miss so it was our ball, we take the 15 yard penalty and down the ball.

siberian khatru
10-10-2006, 01:43 PM
Wouldn't have mattered, it was after the miss so it was our ball, we take the 15 yard penalty and down the ball.

Link?

htismaqe
10-10-2006, 01:52 PM
Somebody told me there is a Cards fan who has posted video of Sims taking his helmet off during/after the FG attempt.

The video in the thread starter is indisputable. The cameras cut IMMEDIATELY from the refs signalling the miss to Sims IN THE ACT OF TAKING OFF HIS HELMET.

The helmet was removed after the play was whistled dead.

15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty, assessed AFTER change of possession. 1st and 10 Chiefs.

siberian khatru
10-10-2006, 01:55 PM
Look, I'm just gonna cut through the BS here:

The helmet came off after the field goal was missed. The play was dead. 15-yard penalty, Chiefs retain possession, win the game.

Can't believe no one else has said this. Sheesh.

WilliamTheIrish
10-10-2006, 01:55 PM
The video in the thread starter is indisputable. The cameras cut IMMEDIATELY from the refs signalling the miss to Sims IN THE ACT OF TAKING OFF HIS HELMET.

The helmet was removed after the play was whistled dead.

15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty, assessed AFTER change of possession. 1st and 10 Chiefs.

Link?

siberian khatru
10-10-2006, 01:57 PM
Link?

http://www.chezgrae.com/modsquad/images/linc.jpg

TinyEvel
10-10-2006, 01:58 PM
I will dispute that there is even a player named Sims on our team.

siberian khatru
10-10-2006, 01:58 PM
Link?

http://www.citizenlunchbox.com/monkey/famous/pix/lancelink.jpg

Rain Man
10-10-2006, 02:26 PM
So does the author of that video think that it's illegal to take your helmet off at any time during the game? It's legal to take it off between plays, which is what Sims did.

I don't blame a Cardinals fan for not knowing that rule, though. The Cardinals probably haven't been involved in many post-game celebrations.

Wile_E_Coyote
10-10-2006, 02:37 PM
I don't blame a Cardinals fan for not knowing that rule, though. The Cardinals probably haven't been involved in many post-game celebrations.

& from the other video protest, how a offensive line plays

mcan
10-11-2006, 02:47 AM
Link?


http://home.swipnet.se/gamemaster/blider/Zelda/link.jpg

beer bacon
10-11-2006, 03:03 AM
What happens if the player takes his helmet off AFTER the play is done on a change of possession? Does the other team still get another play?

Also, Ryan Sims is fat.

mcan
10-11-2006, 03:47 AM
What happens if a mogwai is eating on an airplane at 11:00 PM, and then the airplane crosses over a timezone INTO midnite. Does it still turn into a Gremlin?

kcfanXIII
10-11-2006, 04:06 AM
its like one of those 9/11 conspiracy videos. i have expected to hear marylin manson.

Guru
10-11-2006, 04:21 AM
What happens if a mogwai is eating on an airplane at 11:00 PM, and then the airplane crosses over a timezone INTO midnite. Does it still turn into a Gremlin?

With that train of thought, he would turn into a Gremlin no matter what time it is since it is always midnight every hour somewhere.

headsnap
10-11-2006, 07:56 AM
What happens if a mogwai is eating on an airplane at 11:00 PM, and then the airplane crosses over a timezone INTO midnite. Does it still turn into a Gremlin?
yes, only if he corrected the time on his watch...

Count Alex's Losses
10-11-2006, 08:07 AM
No matter how bad a penalty is, you don't EVER get the ball back once it has been legitamately given away.

Not true. If a quarterback throws the ball and it's intercepted, the offense gets the ball back if there's a roughing the passer penalty. That exact scenario occured in KC's favor a few years ago.

mcan
10-11-2006, 02:12 PM
Not true. If a quarterback throws the ball and it's intercepted, the offense gets the ball back if there's a roughing the passer penalty. That exact scenario occured in KC's favor a few years ago.


This a bit of a hazy area. If the quarterbacked is "roughed" during or immediately after the pass (intercepted or not) the offense retains possession. It's not a "legit" turnover. But lets say, the defense picks off a throw, and during the runback a defensive lineman grabs the quarterback, picks him up by the facemask and throws him into the stands in a hellish attempt to block for the defensive back who is scampering toward the endzone... Since the personal foul happened AFTER the complete act of a legit interception, the turnover still counts, and the 15 yards is counted off from the spot of the foul or the spot of the ball (whichever is furthest from the goal line).

listopencil
10-11-2006, 02:33 PM
What happens if a mogwai is eating on an airplane at 11:00 PM, and then the airplane crosses over a timezone INTO midnite. Does it still turn into a Gremlin?



How come if you feed a mogwai at 08:00 AM it is not considered after Midnight?

GoodDaySir!
10-11-2006, 03:33 PM
[Chief fan] Those dirty stinkin' cheaters. They're owner is sucking off Tags. They get away with this all the time, it's the only way they win. Hell it's the only way they won they're Super Bowl. [/Chief fan]

Dartgod
10-11-2006, 03:46 PM
WTF is going on here?

StcChief
10-11-2006, 03:52 PM
whining over Sims removing his helmet with :02 after Rackers missed FG.

DaFace
10-11-2006, 04:14 PM
Isn't this thread dead by now?