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Chief Nute
10-16-2006, 12:41 PM
There would be 3 things I would want, and I would feel like I could win a Super Bowl. (Well, not me personally win a Super Bowl, but hopefully you get my drift)

#1 Great offensive line

#2 Great defensive line

#3 Smart QB

It is funny that teams overpay for guys like Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, and 98% of all overhyped running backs.

It is no coincidence that certain teams get this. As much as it pains me to say it, but do you really think that Rueben Droughns and Mike Anderson are exceptional athletes in comparision to other running backs in the NFL? But both had exceptional seasons in Denver because of a scheme and an understanding that all you need is a good O-Line. Running backs at the NFL level are all exceptional athletes, and while there are your occasional freak athletes like Barry Sanders, LaDainian and possibly Reggie Bush, they are all capable of hitting holes that an O-Line can create.

Defensive line......if you can create pressure on the QB from the ends and contain the run at the point of attack, you will succeed on defense. You dont NEED exceptional athletes at the corner position......if you can get constant pressure on the QB, MANY NFL caliber corners can contain a WR for the few seconds that you give a QB to survey the field. It all starts on the line.

I do need a smart QB though.....doesnt need to have exceptional skills, but needs to not make mistakes and take care of the ball. My exceptional O-Line will open running lanes and protect my QB, so no team can load the box or concentrate on my passing game exclusively.

Isnt all of this common sense??? Why dont teams understand this??? Is it that some teams have just made past mistakes paying over overhyped skill players that they just cant pay for a nice O-Lineman??

I just dont get it........

The Chiefs are now paying the price for not reloading the on the O-Line and now they are all old.......and the ones we have drafted stink.

OK, I am done. Blast away.

StcChief
10-16-2006, 12:49 PM
Carl <> Good draft, why we are always behind the 8Ball
never really improving as a team.

oldandslow
10-16-2006, 12:55 PM
I think your analysis is very good - although I would say "front 7" rather than DL.

I would also add superior "head coach" to your list.

New England is the model.

Brock
10-16-2006, 01:02 PM
Overhyped skill players sometimes help in bilking fans out of their money, so it's not always about what works on the field.

jspchief
10-16-2006, 01:03 PM
Yea, if I were holding a powerball ticket, the only thing I would want is the winning numbers for the next drawing. :rolleyes:

It's not like there a bunch of really good linemen jobless because teams are signing Terrell Owens. There is a limited number of quality players at each position, and it's tough to get even a couple of great players on the same line, let alone the entire unit.

Wanting quality linemen is hardly an original concept. But much like getting a good QB, it's harder to do than say.

noa
10-16-2006, 01:07 PM
If I was a GM, I would make sure we hired hot lesbian cheerleaders. Everything else would fall into place.

Chief Nute
10-16-2006, 01:12 PM
Yea, if I were holding a powerball ticket, the only thing I would want is the winning numbers for the next drawing. :rolleyes:

It's not like there a bunch of really good linemen jobless because teams are signing Terrell Owens. There is a limited number of quality players at each position, and it's tough to get even a couple of great players on the same line, let alone the entire unit.

Wanting quality linemen is hardly an original concept. But much like getting a good QB, it's harder to do than say.

Yea, seems very original, then I must ask you why in the hell are we spending loads of money on Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight and Ty Law, when we could be getting rid of shitwaste like Eric Hicks. I shouldnt include Ty Law in that list, but the whole D backfield has me pissed off after yesterday because it was like they all quit.

And if it is such an obvious idea, then why does Dallas go out and pay loads of money for Terrell Owens, and at the same time their own O-Line is getting old and is killing Drew Bledsoe?

Seems obvious, but not sure a lot of teams get it, and KC falls in the category of not getting it.....

noa
10-16-2006, 01:16 PM
Yea, seems very original, then I must ask you why in the hell are we spending loads of money on Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight and Ty Law, when we could be getting rid of shitwaste like Eric Hicks. I shouldnt include Ty Law in that list, but the whole D backfield has me pissed off after yesterday because it was like they all quit.

And if it is such an obvious idea, then why does Dallas go out and pay loads of money for Terrell Owens, and at the same time their own O-Line is getting old and is killing Drew Bledsoe?

Seems obvious, but not sure a lot of teams get it, and KC falls in the category of not getting it.....


Dallas bought TO because Jerry Jones wanted to sell tickets.

Even if you know that the key to winning is getting a solid DLine, that doesn't make it an easy thing to do. If we had spent our free agency money buying Corey Simon and Hugh Douglas, we wouldn't be any better off.

PastorMikH
10-16-2006, 01:19 PM
Oddly, none of my top 3 are players.

1) A great HC - let him pick his assistants (since he's great, they will be too) and the coaching staff would be able to get the most out of any players that are given them

2) A great Player Scouting Department - a group that when they tell me to draft someone, I know they will develop into a Pro Bowl player. Imagine what a team would be like that drafted 5-7 quality players every year instead of maybe 1-3.

3) A cap guru to assist in juggling salaries to keep quality players around and keep $ freed up to sign FAs as well.

jspchief
10-16-2006, 01:20 PM
Yea, seems very original, then I must ask you why in the hell are we spending loads of money on Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight and Ty Law, when we could be getting rid of shitwaste like Eric Hicks. I shouldnt include Ty Law in that list, but the whole D backfield has me pissed off after yesterday because it was like they all quit.

And if it is such an obvious idea, then why does Dallas go out and pay loads of money for Terrell Owens, and at the same time their own O-Line is getting old and is killing Drew Bledsoe?

Seems obvious, but not sure a lot of teams get it, and KC falls in the category of not getting it.....OK, why don't you list all the great linemen that were free agents last year?

KC made an offer to the best DT on the market, and he chose to stay in Seattle.
There was one great guard available, he went to Minnesota.
Dallas signed pro-bowler Mark Wahle a few years ago.

Seriously, if it's so easy, list the guys we or anyone else should have signed. It's not a matter of teams not wanting to, it's a matter of there only being a limited number of guys available.

And once you lose out on the guy you wanted, you have to look elsewhere. Since we couldn't get Rocky Bernard signed, we were supposed to pass on Ty Law two months later? Why?

The notion that teams just choose to ignore it is simplistic at best.

Mecca
10-16-2006, 01:24 PM
OK, why don't you list all the great linemen that were free agents last year?

KC made an offer to the best DT on the market, and he chose to stay in Seattle.
There was one great guard available, he went to Minnesota.
Dallas signed pro-bowler Mark Wahle a few years ago.

Seriously, if it's so easy, list the guys we or anyone else should have signed. It's not a matter of teams not wanting to, it's a matter of there only being a limited number of guys available.

And once you lose out on the guy you wanted, you have to look elsewhere. Since we couldn't get Rocky Bernard signed, we were supposed to pass on Ty Law two months later? Why?

The notion that teams just choose to ignore it is simplistic at best.

Actually they signed Rivera, Wahles in Carolina.

While saying you need lineman is great and all but like was said earlier alot easier said than done. Can't miss lineman go top 10...Teams also pay big money to WR's and draft them early because a top flight WR opens up the rest of your offense.

Chief Nute
10-16-2006, 01:24 PM
Dallas bought TO because Jerry Jones wanted to sell tickets.

I guess......but that doesnt make any sense. Buying guys like that to fill seats is what a bad team does to fill seats. It is what the Cardinals got Edgerrin for. I have to believe that they got TO to get to the Super Bowl. I think they were mistaken.

Chiefnj
10-16-2006, 01:24 PM
The only thing the Chiefs could have done differently was use the 2nd or 3rd draft picks on an OT or DT.

Brock
10-16-2006, 01:26 PM
I guess......but that doesnt make any sense. Buying guys like that to fill seats is what a bad team does to fill seats. It is what the Cardinals got Edgerrin for. I have to believe that they got TO to get to the Super Bowl. I think they were mistaken.

It works either way. Sometimes teams think they're one player away from a super bowl, other times they just want the fans to think that.

PastorMikH
10-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Dallas bought TO because Jerry Jones wanted to sell tickets.




I'm not so sure about that. Carl and Lamar want to sell tickets. Jones wants to win another SB. I remember an interview with Jones back in preseason when TO was injured so much, he said that he was willing to wait on TO to get healthy because he thought TO would help the team win. He also said, concerning Drew and the backup QB that Drew gave them the best shot of going all the way this year, so they were sticking with Drew.

That's what frustrates me about KC. Other teams want to win. We've had a great season when we sell out all the home games. Let's keep the team good enough to sell tickets.

Mecca
10-16-2006, 01:34 PM
I'm not so sure about that. Carl and Lamar want to sell tickets. Jones wants to win another SB. I remember an interview with Jones back in preseason when TO was injured so much, he said that he was willing to wait on TO to get healthy because he thought TO would help the team win. He also said, concerning Drew and the backup QB that Drew gave them the best shot of going all the way this year, so they were sticking with Drew.

That's what frustrates me about KC. Other teams want to win. We've had a great season when we sell out all the home games. Let's keep the team good enough to sell tickets.

Well I agree with you about this. Even in the bad years when the Chiefs should be playing young players and not signing FA's building a young core. They'll go sign some players just so instead of having the 4-12, 5-11 year they can be 7-9 8-8 because fans will think there's hope and still fill up the stadium.

Simplex3
10-16-2006, 01:43 PM
That's what frustrates me about KC. Other teams want to win. We've had a great season when we sell out all the home games. Let's keep the team good enough to sell tickets.
Well said.

Rain Man
10-16-2006, 02:16 PM
If I was a GM building a team from scratch, my ranking of position priorities would be:

1. Mistake-free quarterback good at play action.
2. Pass-rushing right defensive end
3. Pass-rushing left defensive tackle
4. Franchise left tackle
5. Shutdown right cornerback
6. Durable, pounding running back
7. Mobile left guard.
8. Ballhawking free safety
9. Accurate clutch kicker
10. Sideline to sideline middle linebacker
11. Pass-rushing left defensive end
12. Mobile center
13. Shutdown left corner
14. Pass-rushing right linebacker
15. Mammoth right tackle
16. Defense-stretching deep wide receiver
17. Versatile tight end
18. Run-stuffing right defensive tackle
19. Intimidating and brutal strong safety
20. Crisp route-running possession wide receiver
21. Mammoth right guard
22. Battering ram and pass-protecting fullback
23. Run-stuffing right linebacker
24. Booming punter
25. Shifty returner

Give me the top six and I will give you a playoff berth. Give me the top ten and I will give you a Lombardi.

SBK
10-16-2006, 02:29 PM
Here's a question for someone that has the time. Since everyone pisses and moans that we aren't in the SB every year, how many teams have won it in the last 20 years?

How many teams have never even made it to the game?

If winning a SB was easy, everybody would do it.

Rooster
10-16-2006, 02:38 PM
Okay I am the GM.....

1) Hot Hot Cheerleaders
2) Kick ass uniforms and helmets
3) Smart and motivating head coach and staff
4) Strong front seven on D
5) Strong o-line
6) Hot Hot Cheerleaders
7) Smart and efficient QB
8) Head hunting safety
9) Runningback with speed
10) Receiver that is tough and has hands

Rain Man
10-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Here's a question for someone that has the time. Since everyone pisses and moans that we aren't in the SB every year, how many teams have won it in the last 20 years?

How many teams have never even made it to the game?

If winning a SB was easy, everybody would do it.


Teams that have won or appeared in a Super Bowl since our last appearance.



Team Appearances Wins
Dallas Cowboys 8 5
Pittsburgh Steelers 6 5
Denver Broncos 6 2
San Francisco 49ers 5 5
New England Patriots 5 3
Washington Redskins 5 3
Miami Dolphins 5 2
Oakland/L.A. Raiders 4 3
Buffalo Bills 4 0
New York Giants 3 2
St. Louis/L.A. Rams 3 1
Minnesota Vikings 3 0
Green Bay Packers 2 1
Cincinnati Bengals 2 0
Philadelphia Eagles 2 0
Baltimore Ravens 1 1
Chicago Bears 1 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 1
Baltimore Colts 1 1
Atlanta Falcons 1 0
Carolina Panthers 1 0
San Diego Chargers 1 0
Seattle Seahawks 1 0
Tennessee Titans 1 0



Teams that have not appeared in a Super Bowl since our last appearance.

Detroit Lions
New Orleans Saints
Arizona Cardinals
New York Jets
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans

So 24 of the other 31 teams have beaten us back to the Super Bowl, and 15 of the other 31 teams have won a Super Bowl during that time period.

Rooster
10-16-2006, 02:47 PM
Teams that have won or appeared in a Super Bowl since our last appearance.



Team Appearances Wins
Dallas Cowboys 8 5
Pittsburgh Steelers 6 5
Denver Broncos 6 2
San Francisco 49ers 5 5
New England Patriots 5 3
Washington Redskins 5 3
Miami Dolphins 5 2
Oakland/L.A. Raiders 4 3
Buffalo Bills 4 0
New York Giants 3 2
St. Louis/L.A. Rams 3 1
Minnesota Vikings 3 0
Green Bay Packers 2 1
Cincinnati Bengals 2 0
Philadelphia Eagles 2 0
Baltimore Ravens 1 1
Chicago Bears 1 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 1
Baltimore Colts 1 1
Atlanta Falcons 1 0
Carolina Panthers 1 0
San Diego Chargers 1 0
Seattle Seahawks 1 0
Tennessee Titans 1 0



Teams that have not appeared in a Super Bowl since our last appearance.

Detroit Lions
New Orleans Saints
Arizona Cardinals
New York Jets
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans

Oh God.... When you put it like that it makes me want to say

Damn it Carl!!!!! :cuss:

Chief Nute
10-16-2006, 02:49 PM
Here's a question for someone that has the time. Since everyone pisses and moans that we aren't in the SB every year, how many teams have won it in the last 20 years?

How many teams have never even made it to the game?

If winning a SB was easy, everybody would do it.

Looks like everyone HAS done it, LOL

And the list of those that havent made it.....is pretty pathetic. Are we pathetic???

Rain Man
10-16-2006, 02:51 PM
Oh God.... When you put it like that it makes me want to say

Damn it Carl!!!!! :cuss:


You don't like being discussed in the same breath as the Lions, Saints, Cardinals, Jets, Browns, Jaguars, and Texans?

If it's any consolation, I think we, the Jaguars, and the Browns have all made it to a conference championship at some point in that time period.

DaneMcCloud
10-16-2006, 02:53 PM
The Chiefs are still reeling from the hire of Dick Vermeil in 2001. Not only did they give up a 2nd rounder and two third rounders for Vermeil, they gave up #12 overall for Trent Green. Now by no stretch of the imagination am I implying that Green was a bad swap, but the front office and coaching staff that Vermiel assembled led to wasted draft years.

There's no going back in time and reversing the draft errors, but it seems like with the exception of LJ, the front office just tries to plug holes; there's no real strategy to rebuilding and reloading. It's just "oh, we need this and oh, we need that".

It's really time for a change.

Mecca
10-16-2006, 02:53 PM
Comparing us to the Jags is misleading seeing as they haven't existed nearly as long.....

Rain Man
10-16-2006, 02:55 PM
Comparing us to the Jags is misleading seeing as they haven't existed nearly as long.....

Except they've been to a conference championship game in the past ten years.

HC_Chief
10-16-2006, 03:04 PM
There's no going back in time and reversing the draft errors, but it seems like with the exception of LJ, the front office just tries to plug holes; there's no real strategy to rebuilding and reloading. It's just "oh, we need this and oh, we need that".

It's really time for a change.

Rep

PastorMikH
10-16-2006, 03:39 PM
The Chiefs are still reeling from the hire of Dick Vermeil in 2001. Not only did they give up a 2nd rounder and two third rounders for Vermeil, they gave up #12 overall for Trent Green. Now by no stretch of the imagination am I implying that Green was a bad swap, but the front office and coaching staff that Vermiel assembled led to wasted draft years.

There's no going back in time and reversing the draft errors, but it seems like with the exception of LJ, the front office just tries to plug holes; there's no real strategy to rebuilding and reloading. It's just "oh, we need this and oh, we need that".

It's really time for a change.



And I really think LJ was a backup plan/leverage due to Priest's threatened holdout.

HC_Chief
10-16-2006, 03:53 PM
And I really think LJ was a backup plan/leverage due to Priest's threatened holdout.

Yep.
More rep :)

shaneo69
10-16-2006, 03:56 PM
There would be 3 things I would want, and I would feel like I could win a Super Bowl. (Well, not me personally win a Super Bowl, but hopefully you get my drift)

#1 Great offensive line

#2 Great defensive line

Carl tried to follow your strategy but ended up with Trezelle Jenkins, Victor Riley, and John Tait on the OL and Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, and Junior Siavii on the DL.