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Frankie
10-22-2006, 10:47 AM
He came within a hair of admitting it on Meet the Press this morning. I am very impressed by him and would love to see him as POTUS. But I think '08 is too soon. What do you think?
Marco Polo
10-22-2006, 12:55 PM
I think the Dems would support Clinton than him. Isn't he relatively young in politics?
StcChief
10-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Sounds great go for...somebody has to try and be the first Black president.
banyon
10-22-2006, 04:13 PM
Sounds great go for...somebody has to try and be the first Black president.

:spock: http://www.lbjstore.com/cgi-bin/merchant2/graphics/00000001/0186.jpg
'Hamas' Jenkins
10-22-2006, 04:27 PM
He needs to wait until '12 or '16 at least, IMO. He hasn't done anything other than give a good speech at the DNC to warrant this. Let him build a reputation to an extent before this move, which is presumptuous, IMO.
Frankie
10-22-2006, 04:43 PM
He needs to wait until '12 or '16 at least, IMO. He hasn't done anything other than give a good speech at the DNC to warrant this. Let him build a reputation to an extent before this move, which is presumptuous, IMO.
That's what I mean. He does give a very presidential account of himself when he is interviewed. Like a black counterpart to a young Jack Kennedy. I'm not sure if he shouldn't be on a Dem ticket as a VP first.
Jenson71
10-22-2006, 05:40 PM
Sen. Obama is a very sensible, responsible, and intelligent man. He is also very ambitious. If he runs for president in 2008, he would have three and a half years of experience in the Senate. He will also be 47 years old. I think a good part of his appeal is the fact that he's fairly young, and represents a new, post-Vietnam generation, that can lead the country.

My prediction: Obama will see the Democrats take majority, declare in 2007, and take the White House in 2009.
redbrian
10-22-2006, 06:00 PM
Sen. Obama is a very sensible, responsible, and intelligent man. He is also very ambitious. If he runs for president in 2008, he would have three and a half years of experience in the Senate. He will also be 47 years old. I think a good part of his appeal is the fact that he's fairly young, and represents a new, post-Vietnam generation, that can lead the country.

My prediction: Obama will see the Democrats take majority, declare in 2007, and take the White House in 2009.

The best way for the dems to lose the white house once again would be to;

A) run billary
b) run obama
c) run them as a set
banyon
10-22-2006, 06:16 PM
The best way for the dems to lose the white house once again would be to;

A) run billary
b) run obama
c) run them as a set

Who do you think the Dems should run?
dirk digler
10-22-2006, 06:23 PM
If Obama runs he will win the election hands down simply because Oprah loves him and will strongly support him.

:)
'Hamas' Jenkins
10-22-2006, 07:17 PM
There are still too many closet racists who would vote against Obama just b/c he's black to make him a viable candidate for '08.
Brock
10-22-2006, 08:20 PM
There's still time for the dems to find someone who can energize the middle. If they keep moving in this direction, however, they can look forward to several more lost elections. I'm fairly impressed with Obama as a man, but come on.
redbrian
10-22-2006, 08:25 PM
Who do you think the Dems should run?

I didn't catch his name but a few months back I caught a piece on a young non-party line dem from some where around the Carolina's.

He didn't point fingers, all he did was talk about what needs to be done, why each sides stances were flawed and what he would do.

Didn't totally agree with all of his ideas but I could actually vote for the dude if push came to shove.
Jenson71
10-22-2006, 09:13 PM
The best way for the dems to lose the white house once again would be to;

A) run billary
b) run obama
c) run them as a set

A, B, C > Vilsack.

No, I do like Obama taking this. One of the panel members for Meet The Press, said it would be taking a huge risk. I think it's one he should take. If a Democrat wins in 08, what are the chances Obama would try to oust a Democratic incumbent? I guess they're sooo many "ifs"
Ultra Peanut
10-22-2006, 09:28 PM
Obama/Feingold or Feingold/Obama would be amazing.
Deberg_1990
10-22-2006, 10:12 PM
There will be a black president before a woman president. The dems would be smart to suport him over Hillary.
StcChief
10-22-2006, 10:51 PM
sHillary for POS
Obama for VP

Great that sounds like good plan. Run with it Dems.
That's the pulse of America your right on it.
SBK
10-23-2006, 02:29 AM
He needs to wait until '12 or '16 at least, IMO. He hasn't done anything other than give a good speech at the DNC to warrant this. Let him build a reputation to an extent before this move, which is presumptuous, IMO.

If he's gonna run he needs to do it now. BEFORE he has a record. That way he can say whatever he wants about where he stands and nobody can point at his record to prove otherwise.

Wait until 12 or 16 and he's gonna have too many votes to raise peoples taxes, too much liberalism for opponents to point out and it will hurt his chances.
banyon
10-23-2006, 09:15 AM
sHillary for POS
Obama for VP

Great that sounds like good plan. Run with it Dems.
That's the pulse of America your right on it.

Who do you think the Dems should run

2nd attempt.
Pittsie
10-23-2006, 09:48 AM
If he's gonna run he needs to do it now. BEFORE he has a record. That way he can say whatever he wants about where he stands and nobody can point at his record to prove otherwise.

Wait until 12 or 16 and he's gonna have too many votes to raise peoples taxes, too much liberalism for opponents to point out and it will hurt his chances.

Rep. I think he's coming around on the fact that his star will never be brighter.

As for his electability, this is pretty un-PC to say, but he's got a couple things going for him that Jessie Jackson and the Reverand Al didn't.
stevieray
10-23-2006, 09:50 AM
Rep. I think he's coming around on the fact that his star will never be brighter.

As for his electability, this is pretty un-PC to say, but he's got a couple things going for him that Jessie Jackson and the Reverand Al didn't.

millions of illegal alien votes?
tiptap
10-23-2006, 10:01 AM
If he's gonna run he needs to do it now. BEFORE he has a record. That way he can say whatever he wants about where he stands and nobody can point at his record to prove otherwise.

Wait until 12 or 16 and he's gonna have too many votes to raise peoples taxes, too much liberalism for opponents to point out and it will hurt his chances.

I agree with this. It is always easier to run from being a Governor or a General or anything besides a Congressmen or Senator. The politics on national questions has those guys votes on bills. And we all know how poison pill admendments can make votes unrelated to the title of any particular bill. However, I like the President to come from the messiness of the Congress. I just think they get beat up a lot easier than candidates that come from outside of DC.
Jenson71
10-23-2006, 01:40 PM
I agree with this. It is always easier to run from being a Governor or a General or anything besides a Congressmen or Senator. The politics on national questions has those guys votes on bills. And we all know how poison pill admendments can make votes unrelated to the title of any particular bill. However, I like the President to come from the messiness of the Congress. I just think they get beat up a lot easier than candidates that come from outside of DC.

In the past 10 elections:

Bush- Governor (TX)
Clinton - Governor (AR)
Bush - Vice President, Representative
Reagan - Governor (CA)
Carter - Governor (GA)
Ford - Vice President, Representative
Nixon - One time Vice President
Johnson - Vice President, Senator
Kennedy - Senator
Eisenhower - University president, military commander
Truman - Vice President, Senator
SBK
10-23-2006, 02:24 PM
Let me add that I hope he runs cause he's nearly as boring as Kerry, which would be good thing for the Republicans.

I was just pointing out that if he's gonna run he needs to do it now before there's a record people can nail him on.
DaneMcCloud
10-23-2006, 02:30 PM
I think that this is probably the best time for him to run as well. It's really hard for me to believe that Hilary could even be nominated by the DNC because she's just so shrill and unlikeable. Obama comes across as well educated and very charismatic (at this point) and a Senate record could negatively affect his chances in '12 or '16.

It's going to be a "New World" in 2008 since it's likely that no one from the Bush Administration will run for POTUS. Obama may be the best candidate for the Dems in '08. I guess we'll all see.
Frankie
10-23-2006, 02:33 PM
Obama/Feingold or Feingold/Obama would be amazing.
A redneck nightmare!
:p
patteeu
10-23-2006, 02:34 PM
I think that if Harold Ford Jr. (d-Tenn) loses his Senate race, he could run for governor sometime in the next 5-10 years and end up being a strong democrat POTUS candidate down the road. You never know about anyone though. As soon as they run for POTUS, the microscope is focused and you never know what it will find. Plagerism, financial shenanigans, bimbo eruptions, liberalism, etc. Guys that look strong now might have nonobvious flaws.
Frankie
10-23-2006, 02:34 PM
sHillary for POS
Obama for VP
If Hillary is prez, I think Wesley Clark is VP.
Duck Dog
10-23-2006, 03:04 PM
Vote for my Baby's Daddy in '08!
vailpass
10-23-2006, 03:04 PM
Ladies and Gentleman the POTUS: My Baby Daddy!

Yea right. Not in a million years. WTF has this guy ever done outside of give a good reading of a caucus speech? He is a polished front with zero achievements or experience to qualify him to run Chicago, much less the USA.
banyon
10-23-2006, 03:09 PM
Ladies and Gentleman the POTUS: My Baby Daddy!

Yea right. Not in a million years. WTF has this guy ever done outside of give a good reading of a caucus speech? He is a polished front with zero achievements or experience to qualify him to run Chicago, much less the USA.

Reminds me of someone even less polished and qualified...


http://www.bubbygram.com/bushstickers/bushstickersample.gif
vailpass
10-23-2006, 03:14 PM
Reminds me of someone even less polished and qualified...


http://www.bubbygram.com/bushstickers/bushstickersample.gif

Two wrongs don't make a right.

However, three rights do make a left.
banyon
10-23-2006, 03:19 PM
Two wrongs don't make a right.

However, three rights do make a left.

(*snare drum*) Good one. :)
Cochise
10-23-2006, 04:15 PM
I don't get it. He hasn't done anything. He hasn't even served a full term in Congress has he?
MarcBulger
10-23-2006, 04:15 PM
1st off Obama would not even be a Senator if it were not for the fact that in the Primaries the leading Dem canidate had to drop out due to some personell issues and then he ran against Ryan who was taken down due to corruption and the Rep had to run a guy who was not even from Ill. Now with that said I would love to see him or Hillary get the nod from the Dems.
memyselfI
10-23-2006, 04:17 PM
Too soon. He needs more seasoning. He's going to go the way of John Edwards if he jumps too soon. I think he put his political career in jeopardy by being in a hurry.
banyon
10-23-2006, 04:27 PM
1st off Obama would not even be a Senator if it were not for the fact that in the Primaries the leading Dem canidate had to drop out due to some personell issues and then he ran against Ryan who was taken down due to corruption and the Rep had to run a guy who was not even from Ill. Now with that said I would love to see him or Hillary get the nod from the Dems.

Um, yeah. Obama only won with 70% of the vote to Keyes 27%.

Sure, if only Ryan hadn't dropped out, Obama would've lost. :bong:
Pittsie
10-23-2006, 04:38 PM
Vote for my Baby's Daddy in '08!

Enlighten me. What's this about?
Adept Havelock
10-23-2006, 04:42 PM
and the Rep had to run a guy who was not even from Ill.

ROFL LMAO

Really? Please enlighten me as to who held a gun to the head of the Repubs and forced them to run a guy from out of state who makes Ashcroft look sane in comparison?

Are you saying that the Repub's in IL. are so pathetic that they couldn't find a single candidate to run? Granted, there's likely some truth to that. ;)
MarcBulger
10-23-2006, 04:43 PM
Like i posted before, please run him in 08.
Cochise
10-23-2006, 04:44 PM
Um, yeah. Obama only won with 70% of the vote to Keyes 27%.

Sure, if only Ryan hadn't dropped out, Obama would've lost. :bong:

And I'm sure that if only Ryan hadn't dropped out, Obama would have still gotten 70% of the vote. :bong:
Adept Havelock
10-23-2006, 04:47 PM
Like i posted before, please run him in 08.


As usual, your reply doesn't come close to answering the question asked.

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. :p
banyon
10-23-2006, 05:12 PM
And I'm sure that if only Ryan hadn't dropped out, Obama would have still gotten 70% of the vote. :bong:

Um, yeah that's what I said. :rolleyes:
mlyonsd
10-23-2006, 06:02 PM
I don't get it. He hasn't done anything. He hasn't even served a full term in Congress has he?

That's probably his appeal to democrats. He doesn't come with the same baggage as their other front runners. Very articulate, new message, and all of that.

Even if his message isn't all that new he's a fresh face.
StcChief
10-23-2006, 06:19 PM
Dems should run: Obama and sHillary

it's the modern Mondale Ferraro approach....
BucEyedPea
10-23-2006, 06:22 PM
That's probably his appeal to democrats. He doesn't come with the same baggage as their other front runners. Very articulate, new message, and all of that.

Even if his message isn't all that new he's a fresh face.

Well, ya' know there ain't nothin' wrong with that. Fresh blood is surely needed. I see the past/future like this:

Bush
Clinton
Clinton
Bush
Bush
Clinton
Clinton again or Bush (Jeb)
Bush
Bush
? until Clinton's kid comes of age ( heard she's being groomed for politics)


I'm sick of it.
Out with the fuggen dynasties....this is not a royal office.

Frankly, I don't give two cents how much political experience someone has or if they've held an elective office. I want fresh ideas*—NOT professional politicians.

Other than that, just from Obama's speeches he seems to be a socialist democrat. I'm not crazy about that. But IF he his is anti-unecessary war, anti-nation building....and if I could elect the opposite party into Congress I'd be willing to take a serious look at him.



* Constitutional ones
Bootlegged
10-23-2006, 06:25 PM
Jesus - First I've heard of that. Why hasn't he been on Oprha, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, PBS, C-Span, C-Span2, Comedy Central or in any print media?

Talk about a stealth candidate.....
StcChief
10-23-2006, 06:33 PM
? until Clinton's kid comes of age ( heard she's being groomed for politics)

But what about the damage done by the ugly stick and the jokes....

what do you get when you cross a crooked lawyer with a crooked politican. Chelsea Clinton.
Bootlegged
10-23-2006, 06:40 PM
Left out Time Mag already calling for him to be Prez. My Bad.
MarcBulger
10-23-2006, 09:09 PM
Sorry for not anwsering your question. Ryan got ran to late in the in the political season, for the State of Il to select a good canidate. Obama would have never beaten the Dem in the original race. LIke I said before, please run Obama. Or in the words of Teddy Kennedy Osamma bin Obamma.
Adept Havelock
10-23-2006, 10:50 PM
Sorry for not anwsering your question. Ryan got ran to late in the in the political season, for the State of Il to select a good canidate. Obama would have never beaten the Dem in the original race. LIke I said before, please run Obama. Or in the words of Teddy Kennedy Osamma bin Obamma.


Well, you remain sorry because you still haven't answered either question: ;)

You stated they hadto run Keyes.

Please enlighten me as to who held a gun to the head of the Repubs in IL and forced them to run a guy from out of state who makes Ashcroft look sane in comparison?

This begs the second question:

Are you saying that the Repub's in IL. are so pathetic that they couldn't find a single candidate to run for governor?
Frankie
10-24-2006, 08:40 AM
To those of you who keep saying Dems should run Obama you might get what you wish for, and more. This guy does exude the charisma and freshness to be a voter favorite. His position is very similar to that of a young inexperienced senator named John F. Kennedy. And the voters, I suspect, ARE tired of candidates with "experience."

By the same reasoning I wouldn't underestimate one John Edwards either if I were a Republican. (Oh my god, now I have to go take a shower.) ;)
stevieray
10-24-2006, 08:43 AM
More proof that the Dems can't get past Kennedy's death.
Sully
10-24-2006, 09:02 AM
One of my hot-buttopn issues is religion in government. In this speech: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/06/obama_on_faith_and_politics_an.html, Obama addresses that. He first discusses why people like me should ease, and then why people ont he other side should ease. It is the strongest argument I have seen by anyone concerning this topic. If he were to lead with this type of level-headedness and true unifying rhetoric, then I think he could be great.

Of course, it'll be hard to get by all the folks that heard his wife say, once, baby's daddy. Or who believe there should never be a black pres. Or believe he's all smoke and mirrors.
Duck Dog
10-24-2006, 10:58 AM
Enlighten me. What's this about?

That is how his wife introduced him to the world at the DNC.
scott free
10-24-2006, 12:18 PM
That's what I mean. He does give a very presidential account of himself when he is interviewed. Like a black counterpart to a young Jack Kennedy. I'm not sure if he shouldn't be on a Dem ticket as a VP first.
You nailed it, its to soon for the top post but VP would be the perfect primer and seasoning course. I'd vote for him, see quite a bit of him here in Ill. and he strikes me as eventual Prez material.
MarcBulger
10-24-2006, 04:28 PM
Adept; Yes.
Adept Havelock
10-24-2006, 04:29 PM
More proof that the Dems can't get past Kennedy's death.

How would you feel if Reagan's shooting had been fatal and the "Reagan Revolution" was stillborn because of it? A visionary leader who supported ideals you believed in, cut down far too soon? :shrug:

Adept; Yes.

Yes held the gun to the Repubs head and made them run the Mad Hatter Keyes?

Damn Art Rock bands. :cuss:
banyon
10-24-2006, 04:32 PM
Personally, I like Edwards/Obama as a ticket.
MarcBulger
10-24-2006, 05:19 PM
Yes, I like the Edwards/Obama ticket myself.
Brock
10-24-2006, 05:41 PM
Personally, I like Edwards/Obama as a ticket.

Yeah, a ticket to 8 more years of this shit.