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petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:05 PM
This guy is everywhere. He is always making plays, knocking balls loose, dropping in coverage.

If we can solidify the DT position I feel sorry for any RT going against this guy.

Definitely worth a 1st round pick.

If we lose a game you can say it wasn't the fault of this guy. He brings it every play.

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2006, 11:07 PM
He's going to get hurt. He should stop playing so hard.

Bowser
10-22-2006, 11:07 PM
What kind of stats has he put up so far?

ChiefsFanatic
10-22-2006, 11:09 PM
This guy is everywhere. He is always making plays, knocking balls loose, dropping in coverage.

If we can solidify the DT position I feel sorry for any RT going against this guy.

Definitely worth a 1st round pick.

If we lose a game you can say it wasn't the fault of this guy. He brings it every play.

I thought he played great today, except when he ignored LT on 4th down.

Bowser
10-22-2006, 11:09 PM
He's going to get hurt. He should stop playing so hard.

You forgot the "he's ready to play now, but Mario Williams will be ready to play in two to three years and be dominate" quote.

petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:09 PM
What kind of stats has he put up so far?


http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/412000/gamelogs/2006

thepascalblaze
10-22-2006, 11:10 PM
I dunno, I loved the D-line interior today, I heard Edwards' name more than I heard Hali's. I already have come to count on Hali... his game was good again, the DTs really turned it up a notch, I thought...

petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:10 PM
I thought he played great today, except when he ignored LT on 4th down.


That may of been a bad play call too.

boogblaster
10-22-2006, 11:10 PM
You saw last years Rookie of the year and this years Rookie of the year today..Hali should get ROY this year.....

Halfcan
10-22-2006, 11:11 PM
Plus he is a high character guy.

petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:11 PM
Prior to today he has 2.5 sacks and a more impressive 3 FF

tk13
10-22-2006, 11:12 PM
He's going to get hurt. He should stop playing so hard.
Pick a better quote.

I like poeple thinking Hali will be an everydown player when good tackles will probably kill him.

ChiefsFanatic
10-22-2006, 11:12 PM
That may of been a bad play call too.

The way we were giving up 3rd and longs [3rd and 20 and 3rd and 15] blitzing on 4th wasn't that bad of a call. However, I just think that someone should have watched LT, cause he is good, and he was on Hali's side.

thepascalblaze
10-22-2006, 11:13 PM
Yeah, though.. I love Hali... loved him from the time I heard is personals, and yeah, great 1st rounder, livin' up to the challenge on the field...


I re-read your post next to mine and felt too contrary...

That was unintentional... I'm a little excited still, ask my wife...

petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:14 PM
The way we were giving up 3rd and longs [3rd and 20 and 3rd and 15] blitzing on 4th wasn't that bad of a call. However, I just think that someone should have watched LT, cause he is good, and he was on Hali's side.

Gates did it to Allen in the end zone. I just can't undedrstand how you let LT and Gates run around wide open. I don't care who covers them someone should of been in their hip pocket all damn day.

Mecca
10-22-2006, 11:16 PM
Pick a better quote.

I'm not the only person who thought that....hey I'm not right all the time. But generally I'm pretty good with the draft. I remember saying the Chiefs should draft Ko Simpson instead of Bernard Pollard......as of right now I'm correct on that one.

But who knows the season isn't even half over and it usually takes a few years before we really know.

djrcmay
10-22-2006, 11:22 PM
He had 2 tackles for the game!

petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:24 PM
He had 2 tackles for the game!


Good...that means they are running away from him. That's what we want. We held them for under 100 yards rushing. Ok that means that our d-line was making tackles or plugging holes...and they didn't want to run to his side.

Mecca
10-22-2006, 11:25 PM
Good...that means they are running away from him. That's what we want. We held them for under 100 yards rushing. Ok that means that our d-line was making tackles or plugging holes...and they didn't want to run to his side.

They probably would have run for 100 if they had run more than 17 times, LT averaged 4.5 a carry.

Crashride
10-22-2006, 11:26 PM
Hali is a stud and im sure is still in the top 10 de's in football ill get back with a stat

petegz28
10-22-2006, 11:29 PM
They probably would have run for 100 if they had run more than 17 times, LT averaged 4.5 a carry.


Probably...if

jspchief
10-23-2006, 12:42 AM
I remember saying the Chiefs should draft Ko Simpson instead of Bernard Pollard......as of right now I'm correct on that one.

You're "correct on that one".... based on what? The fact that he won the starting job when a way-past-his-prime Troy Vincent went on IR?

|Zach|
10-23-2006, 12:45 AM
You guys are not getting it.

LT would have had 100 yards rushing if he had gotten 34 more yards on the ground.

greg63
10-23-2006, 12:47 AM
Plus he is a high character guy.

Yep; I kinda like the kid. :D

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2006, 12:52 AM
mecca is a dumbass.

Halfcan
10-23-2006, 12:55 AM
They probably would have run for 100 if they had run more than 17 times, LT averaged 4.5 a carry.

Yeah but they didn't

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2006, 01:04 AM
They probably would have run for 100 if they had run more than 17 times, LT averaged 4.5 a carry.
Great post.

Huard would've probably thrown 89 more TD passes if there were 67 more quarters.

jspchief
10-23-2006, 01:06 AM
They probably would have run for 100 if they had run more than 17 times, LT averaged 4.5 a carry.Tomlinson averaged 2.3 yards per carry in the first half. They only gave him the ball 17 times because we stuffed his ass in the first half.

Demonpenz
10-23-2006, 01:10 AM
I had some good quotes on hali especially when i gave him all F's on my draft board. Most of my posts were in the lexicon sarcasim but i really didn't like the pick. I am enjoying my crow though. The guy reminds me of grant windstrom.

Tactical Funky
10-23-2006, 01:15 AM
You guys are not getting it.

LT would have had 100 yards rushing if he had gotten 34 more yards on the ground.
LMAO

Halfcan
10-23-2006, 01:16 AM
I had some good quotes on hali especially when i gave him all F's on my draft board. Most of my posts were in the lexicon sarcasim but i really didn't like the pick. I am enjoying my crow though. The guy reminds me of grant windstrom.

Yep they could be twins they look so much alike. Your post gets an F on my draftboard-lol

Ultra Peanut
10-23-2006, 03:04 AM
Cromartie was frickin' awesome, Mecca! AWEEEEEEEESOME!!!!!!!

Mecca
10-23-2006, 03:49 AM
You're "correct on that one".... based on what? The fact that he won the starting job when a way-past-his-prime Troy Vincent went on IR?

He was starting before Vincent got hurt, you should check out a Bills game. Whitner and Simpson look like they're going to be great players.

ChiefsfaninPA
10-23-2006, 04:12 AM
He was starting before Vincent got hurt, you should check out a Bills game. Whitner and Simpson look like they're going to be great players.

Why don't you just shut the fug up. It is obvious you know nothing. Everytime you speak you sound dumber. Stick to rating gay porn because you know a lot about that.

The Bad Guy
10-23-2006, 06:38 AM
He was starting before Vincent got hurt, you should check out a Bills game. Whitner and Simpson look like they're going to be great players.

Whitner looks great.

Simpson doesn't.

Just because you start on a shit ass team that has no other options at safety, doesn't make you a great pick.

Why can't we give Pollard the same amount of time that you want to give first pick in the draft stud Mario Williams when comparing him to Hali?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-23-2006, 07:10 AM
He was starting before Vincent got hurt, you should check out a Bills game. Whitner and Simpson look like they're going to be great players.

Bullshit. You were pimping Youboty a hell of a lot more than you were Ko Simpson at that point in the draft. This revisionist history shit gets old.

donkhater
10-23-2006, 07:20 AM
Hali's been very good. He needs a little more control and more pass rush moves and then he'll be even better.

greg63
10-23-2006, 07:25 AM
Hali's been very good. He needs a little more control and more pass rush moves and then he'll be even better.

BRILLIANT! :D



(I just like yer avatar)

Pants
10-23-2006, 08:18 AM
Mecca, I like you and everything, but one of these days you'll need to realize you're a f***ing moron.

donkhater
10-23-2006, 08:30 AM
So now we bash people for having football takes? Even marginal ones?

I understand Mecca's point entirely. From a pure talent standpoint, Williams has a higher ceiling than Hali does. Hali squeezes every bit of his potential out by playing balls out every down. He may not improve much beyond what we see now. That's OK. We all like and root for the effort guys more.

Williams may be a lazy POS and never live up to the #1 pick. If he had Hali's drive he could be as good as Peppers. He wouldn't be the first. Dozens of players have come through the league like that.

jspchief
10-23-2006, 09:25 AM
He was starting before Vincent got hurt, you should check out a Bills game. Whitner and Simpson look like they're going to be great players.Bullshit. (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20060910_BUF@NE) Vincent got hurt in the first game of the year,and Simpson came in for him. He replaced an injured, over the hill cast-off. Is that the benchmark you use to determine he's a better pick than Pollard?

Seriously, the idea that you've determined one pick is better when the other guy hasn't even played much is ridiculous.

You've become a caricature of yourself.

Mecca
10-23-2006, 09:56 AM
So now we bash people for having football takes? Even marginal ones?

I understand Mecca's point entirely. From a pure talent standpoint, Williams has a higher ceiling than Hali does. Hali squeezes every bit of his potential out by playing balls out every down. He may not improve much beyond what we see now. That's OK. We all like and root for the effort guys more.

Williams may be a lazy POS and never live up to the #1 pick. If he had Hali's drive he could be as good as Peppers. He wouldn't be the first. Dozens of players have come through the league like that.

I'd be better off posting a bunch of non football related shit and going "yea that's right". Having an opinion around here isn't a great idea apparently.

By the way I wanted Youboty and Simpson.......be we apparently needed Brodie Croyle instead.

jspchief
10-23-2006, 10:04 AM
I'd be better off posting a bunch of non football related shit and going "yea that's right". Having an opinion around here isn't a great idea apparently.

By the way I wanted Youboty and Simpson.......be we apparently needed Brodie Croyle instead.We got Pollard and Page instead of Youboty and Simpson. And we got a potential QBotF. Plus Youboty was gone when we took Croyle.

You've determind that Simpson is a stud because he became a starter when the real starter got injured, and Page and Pollard have both done way more than Youboty has at this point.

Mecca
10-23-2006, 10:07 AM
We got Pollard and Page instead of Youboty and Simpson. And we got a potential QBotF. Plus Youboty was gone when we took Croyle.

You've determind that Simpson is a stud because he became a starter when the real starter got injured, and Page and Pollard have both done way more than Youboty has at this point.

Hey your right Youboty hasn't played but at the time of the draft I thought they were better players.....

I was a pretty big fan of Simpson coming out so it doesn't have that much to do with him starting early.

dj56dt58
10-23-2006, 10:23 AM
I remember saying the Chiefs should draft Ko Simpson instead of Bernard Pollard......as of right now I'm correct on that one.



Yeah because Pollard didn't look any good during the preseason or anything...It's not his fault he doesn't get any playing time. He's better than both Knight and Wesley IMO

Rain Man
10-23-2006, 10:34 AM
I'm a big fan of Hali. He's the type of guy who makes other players better, too, because they're embarrassed about being lazy around him.

I think the thing that sets apart the good defensive players is their activity level. Talent is a requirement, but Hali is a guy who's going to be in the area if a ball pops out, or if a running back slips out of a tackle. Guys like Greg Wesley and William Bartee are usually ten yards away in that situation jogging toward the play, which drives me nuts.

kaplin42
10-23-2006, 11:58 AM
Hali is awesome. He may not get his numbered called all the time, but if you actually watch, he is doing a great job. He flies to the ball, he is a constant disruption on the line, which enables our other linemen to get the job done.

I would also like to give Jared Allen some credit. He just simply amazes me. He is everywhere, on every play. What a fricken mad man. It is really exciting to watch Allen and Hali play, they just cause chaos on that line.

Rain Man
10-23-2006, 12:35 PM
If Allen doesn't make the pro bowl this year, it'll only be because some other team cheated.

Baby Lee
10-23-2006, 12:47 PM
If Allen doesn't make the pro bowl this year, it'll only be because some other team cheated.
Allen will make the pro-bowl, and mecca will argue that Kennison blocked him into it.

|Zach|
10-23-2006, 12:50 PM
Allen will make the pro-bowl, and mecca will argue that Kennison blocked him into it.
:clap:

htismaqe
10-23-2006, 12:50 PM
So now we bash people for having football takes? Even marginal ones?

I understand Mecca's point entirely. From a pure talent standpoint, Williams has a higher ceiling than Hali does. Hali squeezes every bit of his potential out by playing balls out every down. He may not improve much beyond what we see now. That's OK. We all like and root for the effort guys more.

Williams may be a lazy POS and never live up to the #1 pick. If he had Hali's drive he could be as good as Peppers. He wouldn't be the first. Dozens of players have come through the league like that.

That's ridiculous. We've ALWAYS bashed people here when the have WEAK takes.

Mecca's are especially targetted because they're weak, yet he acts like he's the only person here that understands football.

Spicy McHaggis
10-23-2006, 01:13 PM
I'm not the only person who thought that....hey I'm not right all the time. But generally I'm pretty good with the draft. I remember saying the Chiefs should draft Ko Simpson instead of Bernard Pollard......as of right now I'm correct on that one.

The board pretty much had a collective "WTF?" moment when Pollard was drafted. I mean, there was support for the choice of a safety but Pollard specifically was met with questioning.

The draft is a fun thing IMO and it has the added bonus of making some college games I might find disinteresting worthy of note simply because I'm watching for certain guys that might go in next year. I also believe that given the resources that the talking heads of ESPN, etc. have, a lot of the people on this board could be "good" at the draft. In fact if I were a sports journalist it would definately be on the list of my dream beats. The nice thing is that no one will know if you're actually right or wrong for four or five years. It's all guesswork and speculation despite efforts to make it as scientific as possible.

I'm not really sure where I'm going with all this so here's a slightly related conclusion. Hali looks good now. Will he be better in the coming years? I'd say yes, he has the drive, the talent and a good head on his shoulders. And despite early criticisms it appears he was anything but a reach at where he was picked. If he continues to play like this then the decision of whose jersey to get for next year becomes a really easy one.

Thig Lyfe
10-23-2006, 01:52 PM
Hali and Allen are turning into the best DE tandem in the NFL...

Calcountry
10-23-2006, 02:42 PM
I'm not the only person who thought that....hey I'm not right all the time. But generally I'm pretty good with the draft. I remember saying the Chiefs should draft Ko Simpson instead of Bernard Pollard......as of right now I'm correct on that one.

But who knows the season isn't even half over and it usually takes a few years before we really know.Dude, You are the sorriest ass excuse for a Chiefs fan that I have ever run into.

Duck Dog
10-23-2006, 02:51 PM
Hali and Allen are turning into the best DE tandem in the NFL...


The best DE's no one has ever heard of.

Rain Man
10-23-2006, 03:19 PM
Hali and Allen are turning into the best DE tandem in the NFL...

One big lesson from this is that two pass rushers are four times better than one pass rusher. If all you've got is Allen coming in from the right, the quarterback can skitter away with no problem. But if you've got Hali also coming in from the left, then the quarterback suddenly loses all of his skittering room.

I don't have enough data yet to determine if three pass rushers is nine times better, but the preliminary math seems to indicate it.

donkhater
10-23-2006, 03:24 PM
Hali and Allen are turning into the best DE tandem in the NFL...
They're good, but let's tone down the hyperbole.

Rain Man
10-23-2006, 03:28 PM
They're good, but let's tone down the hyperbole.

L.C. Greenwood and Dwight White
Deacon Jones and Lamar Lundy
Carl Eller and Jim Marshall
Ed Jones and Harvey Martin
Jared Allen and Tamba Hali

I like the sound of that.

donkhater
10-23-2006, 03:31 PM
L.C. Greenwood and Dwight White
Deacon Jones and Lamar Lundy
Carl Eller and Jim Marshall
Ed Jones and Harvey Martin
Jared Allen and Tamba Hali

I like the sound of that.
If gonna pimp 'em do it right, I guess.

Easy 6
10-23-2006, 03:36 PM
There is still a lot of football to play, but if he continues at his current clip he could very well be D rookie of the year. High Motor + High Character = Results.

the Talking Can
10-23-2006, 03:46 PM
Allen will make the pro-bowl, and mecca will argue that Kennison blocked him into it.

this rises above the run-of-the-mill mecca smack...


anyways, we are 1 good DT from a monster front 7.....not a workmanlike DT, a disrupter DT....a little more push up the middle and Hali/Allen pick up 5-6 more sacks between them...

donkhater
10-23-2006, 03:50 PM
There is still a lot of football to play, but if he continues at his current clip he could very well be D rookie of the year. High Motor + High Character = Results.
Not that I don't think he should be in the running, but I'm afraid he's going to need a little more pub to take it. Ask the average NFL fan who Tamba Hali is and you'll get a big fat "Who?".

The only way for a DE to get the pub (unfortunately) is to get sacks.

NJ Chief Fan
10-23-2006, 03:51 PM
i dont know bout DROY, Mark Anderson the DE from the bears has 6.5 sacks this year... he was selected in the 5th round, but that doesnt mean hali isnt a beast


HALI BOMA YE:bang:

beer bacon
10-23-2006, 03:53 PM
Not that I don't think he should be in the running, but I'm afraid he's going to need a little more pub to take it. Ask the average NFL fan who Tamba Hali is and you'll get a big fat "Who?".

The only way for a DE to get the pub (unfortunately) is to get sacks.

Hali is probably going to end up with 60+ tackles, 5+ FF, and 9 or 10 sacks. He may not get DROY, but people will know who he is.

Also, Ron Edwards has two sacks right now. When was the last time a Chiefs DT ended the season with five or more sacks?

Brock
10-23-2006, 03:59 PM
Not that I don't think he should be in the running, but I'm afraid he's going to need a little more pub to take it. Ask the average NFL fan who Tamba Hali is and you'll get a big fat "Who?".

You're either out of your mind, or you think the average NFL fan is completely stupid.

donkhater
10-23-2006, 04:01 PM
Hali is probably going to end up with 60+ tackles, 5+ FF, and 9 or 10 sacks. He may not get DROY, but people will know who he is.

Also, Ron Edwards has two sacks right now. When was the last time a Chiefs DT ended the season with five or more sacks?
You're assuming that. If he is on pace for what you say is a stellar season after 6 games, then people should know his name right now. They don't.

Bottom line is, KC doesn't play enough national games for him to get exposure and the one that they have played (at Pitt), they defense lived up to it's reputation of the last 5 years. He ain't getting it unless he goes nuts.

Wa-Z
10-23-2006, 04:05 PM
ROFL

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=34735

the Talking Can
10-23-2006, 04:09 PM
ROFL

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=34735

sweet


Hali is the BOMB

beer bacon
10-23-2006, 04:19 PM
You're assuming that. If he is on pace for what you say is a stellar season after 6 games, then people should know his name right now. They don't.

Bottom line is, KC doesn't play enough national games for him to get exposure and the one that they have played (at Pitt), they defense lived up to it's reputation of the last 5 years. He ain't getting it unless he goes nuts.

I just checked for the hell of it. Here are Hali's and Allen's projected stats for this season:

Hali: 72 tackles, 9 sacks, and 8 FF

Allen: 77 tackles, 11 (10.6) sacks, and 5 FF

Bwana
10-23-2006, 04:23 PM
He was up at Sports Nutz Saturday and I got a chance to shoot the shit with him for awhile. A man of few words, but a really good guy, a guy that is easy to cheer for. Very refreshing in todays times, where most of these guys are all about themselves and could give a rip about anyone else.

Chiefnj
10-23-2006, 04:24 PM
Anderson and Ryans are probably the top two guys right now. With the Bears D always getting a lot of attention, it'll be Anderson's to lose.

the Talking Can
10-23-2006, 04:31 PM
I just checked for the hell of it. Here are Hali's and Allen's projected stats for this season:

Hali: 72 tackles, 9 sacks, and 8 FF

Allen: 77 tackles, 11 (10.6) sacks, and 5 FF

insane numbers for a pair of DEs, one of which is a rookie

Allen/Hali/DJ/Mitchell can anchor our D for several years...all are young...just find a young DT and a young CB and we're good there...

Crashride
10-23-2006, 06:02 PM
LOL at that link to the chargers message board. Hali has them arguing with each other and turning them into kc fans lol

Rain Man
10-23-2006, 06:40 PM
Allen/Hali/DJ/Mitchell can anchor our D for several years...all are young...just find a young DT and a young CB and we're good there...

That's what I like about the defense all of a sudden. We have a lot of young guys who are playing well.

Just FYI, here are the starting defenses in the first year of each of our past three coaches. If I could pick a guy for both the short-term and the long-term from each of those defenses, I'd take the guys in bold.

Starting Defense in Gunther's First Year

Hicks, McGlockton, Barndt, O'Neal
Thomas, Patton, Edwards
Dishman, Hasty, Tongue, Woods

Starting Defense in Dick's First Year

Hicks, Browning, Ransom, Clemons
Bush, Patton, Edwards
Crockett, Warfield, Woods, Wesley

Starting Defense in Herm's First Year

Hali, Reed, Edwards, Allen
Johnson, Mitchell, Bell
Law, Surtain, Wesley, Knight

Frankly, Surtain and Wesley are barely a downgrade, if at all, from Hasty and Woods, which means that I'd only really want to add DT from the past two teams to this current team. I like it.

donkhater
10-23-2006, 06:53 PM
You're either out of your mind, or you think the average NFL fan is completely stupid.
Yes, I think the average NFL fan is completly stupid as is evident by the many takes on this board daily.

Step outside KC, go into a sports bar and >50% of people who regularly watch the NFL won't know who he is.

FAX
10-23-2006, 07:00 PM
That's what I like about the defense all of a sudden. We have a lot of young guys who are playing well.

Just FYI, here are the starting defenses in the first year of each of our past three coaches. If I could pick a guy for both the short-term and the long-term from each of those defenses, I'd take the guys in bold.

Starting Defense in Gunther's First Year

Hicks, McGlockton, Barndt, O'Neal
Thomas, Patton, Edwards
Dishman, Hasty, Tongue, Woods

Starting Defense in Dick's First Year

Hicks, Browning, Ransom, Clemons
Bush, Patton, Edwards
Crockett, Warfield, Woods, Wesley

Starting Defense in Herm's First Year

Hali, Reed, Edwards, Allen
Johnson, Mitchell, Bell
Law, Surtain, Wesley, Knight

Frankly, Surtain and Wesley are barely a downgrade, if at all, from Hasty and Woods, which means that I'd only really want to add DT from the past two teams to this current team. I like it.

I don't know how many years Knight has in him, Mr. Rain Man. But, if you're going with him, you may want to reconsider Bell.

I know it's blasphemy around these here parts, but he actually showed me something yesterday. If he keeps that up, he may be a keeper. And, he's 5 years younger than Knight.

FAX THE BLASPHEMER

the Talking Can
10-23-2006, 07:02 PM
That's what I like about the defense all of a sudden. We have a lot of young guys who are playing well.

Just FYI, here are the starting defenses in the first year of each of our past three coaches. If I could pick a guy for both the short-term and the long-term from each of those defenses, I'd take the guys in bold.


Starting Defense in Dick's First Year

Hicks, Browning, Ransom, Clemons
Bush, Patton, Edwards
Crockett, Warfield, Woods, Wesley




wow...eye opening in a Luis Bunel kind of way....

I agree with your post.

JohnnyV13
10-23-2006, 08:11 PM
insane numbers for a pair of DEs, one of which is a rookie

Allen/Hali/DJ/Mitchell can anchor our D for several years...all are young...just find a young DT and a young CB and we're good there...


Yeah,

After years of drafting mistakes, we finally have a good young defensive core.

Allen, Hali, DJ, Mitchell along with Pollard and Page.

Crashride
10-23-2006, 11:14 PM
Now if we can just get them to stop buying anal beads well be in business

Halfcan
10-23-2006, 11:38 PM
Now if we can just get them to stop buying anal beads well be in business

They are going to stick a boot up the Seahags azz!

greg63
10-24-2006, 12:10 AM
If Allen doesn't make the pro bowl this year, it'll only be because some other team cheated.

Enter the Donks.

Tribal Warfare
10-24-2006, 12:26 AM
Enter the Donks.

and their vaguynas