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memyselfI

10-24-2006, 08:38 PM

I heard the dopehead make these remarks yesterday and just shook my head in amazement. Today, I heard him :deevee: about how his remarks were not black and white and how the 'drive by media' will deceptively characterize them as such...

this coming from the man who has repeatedly stated that 'you are with us or against us' about the Iraq war and if you are against us your patriotism SHOULD be questioned.

He said he would apologize if he was 'wrong' about MJF appearance on the ad being an act. Let's see if he really does. MJF is a class act alright. Something Limbaugh will never be.

What an azz.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/rush-mjfox.mp3

Rush Limbaugh On the Offensive Against Ad With Michael J. Fox

By David Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 25, 2006; Page C01

Possibly worse than making fun of someone's disability is saying that it's imaginary. That is not to mock someone's body, but to challenge a person's guts, integrity, sanity.

To Rush Limbaugh on Monday, Michael J. Fox looked like a faker. The actor, who suffers from Parkinson's disease, has done a series of political ads supporting candidates who favor stem cell research, including Maryland Democrat Ben Cardin, who is running against Republican Michael Steele for the Senate seat being vacated by Paul Sarbanes.

"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease," Limbaugh told listeners. "He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. . . . This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting."

Limbaugh, whose syndicated radio program has a weekly audience of about 10 million, was reacting to Fox's appearance in another one of the spots, for Missouri Democrat Claire McCaskill, running against Republican Sen. James M. Talent.

But the Cardin ad is similar. It is hard to watch, unless, for some reason, you don't believe it. As he speaks, Fox's restless torso weaves and writhes in a private dance. His head bobs from side to side, almost leaving the video frame.

"This is the only time I've ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has," Limbaugh said. "He can barely control himself."

Later Monday, still on the air, Limbaugh would apologize, but reaction to his statements from Parkinson's experts and Fox's supporters was swift and angry.

"It's a shameless statement," John Rogers said yesterday. Rogers, Fox's political adviser, who also serves on the board of the Parkinson's Action Network in Washington, added: "It's insulting. It's appallingly sad, at best."

"Anyone who knows the disease well would regard his movement as classic severe Parkinson's disease," said Elaine Richman, a neuroscientist in Baltimore who co-wrote "Parkinson's Disease and the Family." "Any other interpretation is misinformed."

Fox was campaigning yesterday for Tammy Duckworth, a congressional candidate, outside Chicago. Rogers, who was with the actor, said Fox had no public comment.

Limbaugh apologized on Monday, then shifted his ground and renewed his attack on Fox.

"Now people are telling me they have seen Michael J. Fox in interviews and he does appear the same way in the interviews as he does in this commercial," Limbaugh said, according to a transcript on his Web site. "All right then, I stand corrected. . . . So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act."

Then Limbaugh pivoted to a different critique: "Michael J. Fox is allowing his illness to be exploited and in the process is shilling for a Democratic politician."

Limbaugh's shock at Fox's appearance is a measure of the disease's devastation, advocates say. Contrary to the charge that Fox might not take his medicine to enhance his symptoms, the medicine itself actually produces some of the uncontrolled body movements.

"Stem cell research offers hope to millions of Americans with diseases like diabetes, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's," Fox says in the Cardin ad. "But George Bush and Michael Steele would put limits on the most promising stem cell research."

Fox has appeared in this season's "Boston Legal," the ABC dramedy starring William Shatner and James Spader. The show was taped over the summer. In his scenes, Fox does not shake or loll his head as he does in the Cardin commercial, but does appear to be restraining himself from doing so, appearing almost rigid at times.

A source with direct knowledge of Fox's illness who viewed the Cardin commercial said Fox is not acting to exaggerate the effects of the disease. The source said Fox's scenes in "Boston Legal" had to be taped around his illness, as he worked to control the tremors associated with Parkinson's for limited periods of time.

Pitt Gorilla

10-24-2006, 09:38 PM

Wow, I'm not sure Rush could be a bigger advocate for the Democratic cause.

MarcBulger

10-24-2006, 09:43 PM

Why does such a left winger like yourself care about what Rush does or says. Rush was correct about one thing, MJF goes off his medication so his shaking will be worse. Sorry if the truth hurst you.

PunkinDrublic

10-24-2006, 09:46 PM

Simplex3

10-24-2006, 09:58 PM

I fervently wish that I found this thread surprising.

Someone needs to get a life of their own. First, why anyone gives a flying f**k what Michael J Fox thinks about anything is beyond me. Second, why anyone gives a f**k what Rush Limbaugh thinks is beyond me. But mostly, why you would allow a pissing match between the two of them to affect your day isn't just beyond me, its also just plain stupid.

Mark M

10-24-2006, 10:11 PM

Why does such a left winger like yourself care about what Rush does or says. Rush was correct about one thing, MJF goes off his medication so his shaking will be worse. Sorry if the truth hurst you.

The only thing you should be sorry for is being clinically stupid.

Honestly ... it must really suck for you to be <a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=51219">wrong</a> all the time.

Even better, it turns out Dr. Weiner has a phone. When I reached him, he said he'd seen the ad earlier in the day and was fairly surprised to hear about Limbaugh's reaction. Here's why:

What you are seeing on the video is side effects of the medication. He has to take that medication to sit there and talk to you like that. ... He's not over-dramatizing. ... [Limbaugh] is revealing his ignorance of Parkinson's disease, because people with Parkinson's don't look like that at all when they're not taking their medication. They look stiff, and frozen, and don't move at all. ... People with Parkinson's, when they've had the disease for awhile, are in this bind, where if they don't take any medication, they can be stiff and hardly able to talk. And if they do take their medication, so they can talk, they get all of this movement, like what you see in the ad.

Rush's mom really should've visited a planned parenthood clinic in the months leading up to his birth ...

MM
~~:shake:

Ugly Duck

10-24-2006, 10:16 PM

Rush was correct about one thing, MJF goes off his medication so his shaking will be worse. Sorry if the truth hurst you.You have it absolutely backwards and are as completely wrong as Hillbilly Heroin Boy. The shaking is a reaction to the medication. If he wasn't on meds, he wouldn't be able to talk. You & Rush have it twisted bass-ackwards.

How do the levodopa-containing compounds work?

The gold standard for treatment of Parkinson's disease is levodopa-containing compounds, along with the drug Sinemet (carbidopa). It's based on an amazingly simple concept. You don't have enough dopamine in the brain, so we give the chemical L-Dopa, which goes into the brain and is converted to dopamine. We replace the deficiency, and the symptoms get dramatically better.

What happens, however, though, is that people sometimes develop wiggly movements, which we call dyskinesias and the benefit from an individual dose gets less over time.

http://www.dentalplans.com/articles/Maintaining%20Motor%20Control/

Logical

10-24-2006, 10:20 PM

You have it absolutely backwards and are as completely wrong as Hillbilly Heroin Boy. The shaking is a reaction to the medication. If he wasn't on meds, he wouldn't be able to talk. You & Rush have it twisted bass-ackwards.

Big suprise right?

Ugly Duck

10-24-2006, 10:34 PM

Sorry if the truth hurst you.Have another dose of truth.... I hope it doesn't hurst.

The first drug approved specifically for Parkinson's (in 1970)--and still the most commonly administered therapy--is levodopa (L-dopa), which is sold in the United States under the brand name Sinemet. Levodopa is taken up by the brain and changed into dopamine. In most patients, it significantly improves mobility and allows them to function relatively normally. As Parkinson's disease worsens over time, larger doses must be taken. The drug also has debilitating side effects for some patients, including dyskinesia (involuntary movements and tics) and hallucinations.

http://www.michaeljfox.org/parkinsons/

Cochise

10-24-2006, 10:34 PM

Well if anybodys an expert on coming off heavy meds it would be Rush wouldn't it.

Ok, that's kind of funny. :p

patteeu

10-25-2006, 05:51 AM

Wow, I'm not sure Rush could be a bigger advocate for the Democratic cause.

Right. This, of all things, will turn a lot of votes democrat. LMAO

jspchief

10-25-2006, 09:32 AM

Personally, I think Limbaugh's statements are crass and show a sad lack of compassion in favor of partisanship.

It's also too bad that Fox is approaching the issue from a partisan angle. Pimping stem cell research by promoting a particular political party seems like you're creating unneccesary opponents.

Pitt Gorilla

10-25-2006, 11:30 AM

Laz

10-25-2006, 11:40 AM

if karma is watching Rush will be diagnosed shortly will a nerve related disease.

then just watch Rush flip-flop on the issue. LMAO

Pittsie

10-25-2006, 11:53 AM

Right. This, of all things, will turn a lot of votes democrat. LMAO

Gee, I don't see how more publicity for a popular issue and sympathy for the messenger would help? You've got to be kidding.

tiptap

10-25-2006, 12:04 PM

Rush uses public asset of airwaves, spectrum. He therefore benefits from a limited resource that has to be managed for public good. Yet he takes the opportunity to spread innuendo. It is ok to some degree, I guess but in important issues it needs to be addressed strongly when so obviously wrong.

There must be real issues to object to embryonic stem cell research or celebrities that can speak of their opinion against such work to put forward instead of the seeds of distrust engendered by his off the cuff, uninformed? or purely political baiting statement.

banyon

10-25-2006, 12:21 PM

I heard Michael J. Fox's reply on the radio yesterday when he was told about Limbaugh, and it could not have been more classy.

He just said, (paraphrased) "Well, we're close to election time and it's great that people are talking about the stem cell issue, that's what's important."

patteeu

10-25-2006, 12:46 PM

Gee, I don't see how more publicity for a popular issue and sympathy for the messenger would help? You've got to be kidding.

So, in other words, you expect to see a surge in the polls in the states considering this issue that can be attributed to Rush beyond what MJFox would have generated with the ads? I'll be surprised if there's much of a surge as a result of either of them.

Dave Lane

10-25-2006, 02:32 PM

Rush's mom really should've visited a planned parenthood clinic in the months leading up to his birth ...

MM
~~:shake:

I wonder if they could have got a 2 for 1 deal and included MarcBooger?

Dave

Laz

10-25-2006, 02:41 PM

I wonder if they could have got a 2 for 1 deal and included MarcBooger?

Dave
ROFL ROFL ROFL

Laz

10-25-2006, 02:46 PM

So, in other words, you expect to see a surge in the polls in the states considering this issue that can be attributed to Rush beyond what MJFox would have generated with the ads? I'll be surprised if there's much of a surge as a result of either of them.
i think there will be a surge ... the more high profile people battle over an issue the more it effects the polls.

that being said, the right has a much bigger history of flocking to a poll because of hot button topics imo.

so we have to wait and see what effect it has on actual votes.

imo:

if everybody comes out to vote ... stem cell passes.

if it's a low turn out then the fair right will swing the vote to the negative.

the middle ground will prolly go negative too (cause of the highly motivated far right)

penchief

10-25-2006, 03:16 PM

penchief

10-25-2006, 03:22 PM

So, in other words, you expect to see a surge in the polls in the states considering this issue that can be attributed to Rush beyond what MJFox would have generated with the ads? I'll be surprised if there's much of a surge as a result of either of them.

I'm sure it's true that the democratic party saw the wisdom of utilizing a willing and sympathetic figure to promote their party politics. However, it is not unreasonable to suggest that Limbaugh's asinine reaction to the ad is reason to believe that the right wing in this country contains a bunch of assholes

Pittsie

10-25-2006, 03:44 PM

patteeu

10-25-2006, 04:52 PM

Does it need a surge? Last I checked, it was up 57 to 27.

That's not the point. You suggested that Rush was going to drive votes toward the YES position so if you are right and all else is equal, the numbers should end up being even higher than what they were the last you checked.

memyselfI

10-25-2006, 06:25 PM

Keith is getting ready to show video of Rush making the remarks. Apparently doing his best MJF impersonation. :shake:

OMG, they showed MJF in an Arlen Specter ad from 2004...

and noted that Rush Limbaugh had no problem with that ad. What a fuggin fat azzed hypocrit dopehead.

Simplex3

10-25-2006, 08:51 PM

Ultra Peanut

10-25-2006, 08:55 PM

I agree. I would guess that there are Republicans who support the research as well.But not the Republican who's running against the candidate he supports.

Saggysack

10-25-2006, 11:25 PM

Why does such a left winger like yourself care about what Rush does or says. Rush was correct about one thing, MJF goes off his medication so his shaking will be worse. Sorry if the truth hurst you.

When you get cancer, I hope they deny you chemotherapy, cause you are too stupid to have it.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Do you have your head buried so far up your ass that you can't see, taste or smell reality anymore?

There is one thing I am glad about for you though, and that is you are a dying breed. So go ahead and die already.

Mark M

10-26-2006, 08:48 PM

I'll be surprised if there's much of a surge as a result of either of them.

Prepare to <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061025/20061025006291.html">be surprised:</a>

Among all respondents, support for stem cell research increased from 78% prior to viewing the ad, to 83% after viewing the ad. Support among Democrats increased from 89% to 93%, support among Republicans increased from 66% to 68% and support among Independents increased from 80% to 87% after viewing the ad.

The level of concern regarding a candidate's view on stem cell research increased among all respondents from 57% prior to viewing the ad to 70% after viewing the ad. Among Democrats, the level of concern increased from 66% to 83% and Republicans' level of concern increased from 50% to 60%. Independents' level of concern increased from 58% to 69%.

The perception that the November election is relevant to the U.S. policy on stem cell research increased across all voter segments, with an increase of 9% among all respondents pre- and post-viewing from 62% to 71%. The Democrats' perception increased from 75% to 83%, Republicans' perception increased from 55% to 62% and Independents' perception increased from 60% to 68% pre- and post-viewing.

[snip]

Respondents were asked to indicate what candidate they would vote for in the U.S. House of Representatives election if it was held today before and after viewing the ad.

Republicans who indicated that they were voting for a Republican candidate decreased by 10% after viewing the ad (77% to 67%). Independents planning to vote for Democrats increased by 10%, from 39% to 49%.

Granted, I haven't looked at the methodology, sample size, etc., and quite frankly, wouldn't know what the hell it means anyway ... I have two English degrees for a reason. :D

But I thought the results interesting ...

MM
~~:shrug:

patteeu

10-27-2006, 05:35 AM

Prepare to <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061025/20061025006291.html">be surprised:</a>

Granted, I haven't looked at the methodology, sample size, etc., and quite frankly, wouldn't know what the hell it means anyway ... I have two English degrees for a reason. :D

But I thought the results interesting ...

MM
~~:shrug:

It does look like the ad might be having some effect, but I'll point out two things:

1) The poll seems to be measuring generic support for stem cell research instead of support for the referendums/amendments that are on the ballot this season.

2) While the poll does support the idea that the Fox ad might have an impact (which I did say would surprise me), it doesn't give any support to the idea that Rush Limbaugh's actions push voters toward support (which is the main thing I was challenging Pittsie on).

Interesting find though. :)

Radar Chief

10-27-2006, 08:29 AM

How’s ‘bout read’n Fox’s own words on the subject.

Senate Appropriations Subcommittee Hearing, Washington, D.C.óSeptember 28, 1999

*snip*

Snippets of my testimony were featured on several of the nightly news broadcasts. One line in particular from my prepared statement got a lot of play: "In my forties, I can expect challenges most people wouldn't face until their seventies and eighties, if ever. But with your help, if we all do everything we can to eradicate this disease, when I'm in my fifties I'll be dancing at my children's weddings." I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease, and the urgency we as a community were feeling, be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling.

Later that day, when I finally got a chance to see the hearing broadcast in its entirety on C-SPAN, I was struck too, but by a transformation of a completely different kind. Sure, the symptoms were severeóI looked as though an invisible bully were harassing me while I read my statement. My head jerked, skewing my reading glasses as if the back of my skull were being slapped. I was fighting to control the pages of my speech, my arms bouncing as if someone were trying to knock the paper out of my hands. But through it all, I never wavered. I saw in my eyes an even, controlled sense of purpose I had never seen in myself before. There was, ironically enough, a steadiness in me, even as I was shaking like a leaf. I couldn't be this still until I could no longer keep still. The bully attacked from every angle, even from within my own body, but I wasn't about to give in, or be distracted from what I had come there to do.

http://www.michaeljfox.org/news/article.php?id=5

THAT is what Rush is refer’n too. Though he may’ve take’n it a bit too far in his supposition that Fox did the same thing for the political ad, he at least has precedent on his side.

bkkcoh

10-27-2006, 10:32 AM

Radar Chief

10-27-2006, 10:51 AM

I think the main issue that most conservatives have with stem cell research doesn't really have a lot to do with the research at all, but the origin of the stem cells. If they get them from adults, I think most conservatives would be ok with the research. But if it come from fetus', that is where they have a problem.

IRRC, their arugment is don't take a life to safe a life.

From what I’ve read, that sounds pretty damn close.
I’m also read’n that the most promise’n results are come’n from adult stem cells. Could be wrong though, haven’t followed the topic that closely.

memyselfI

10-27-2006, 10:19 PM

How’s ‘bout read’n Fox’s own words on the subject.

http://www.michaeljfox.org/news/article.php?id=5

THAT is what Rush is refer’n too. Though he may’ve take’n it a bit too far in his supposition that Fox did the same thing for the political ad, he at least has precedent on his side.

Though he may have been talking out of is azz once again, he had Radar Chief on his side...

clearly, MJF is one very ill human being. And clearly Rush Limbaugh is either a total asshole or he's perhaps indulging in that hillbilly heroin again and thus is unable to control himself inspite of himself...alot like the MJF he so rudely insulted.

See for yourself if this man is faking anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8lsjfjgAA8

Ultra Peanut

10-28-2006, 03:46 AM

Whee. (http://planetrush.ytmnd.com/)

patteeu

10-28-2006, 07:51 AM

Though he may have been talking out of is azz once again, he had Radar Chief on his side...

clearly, MJF is one very ill human being. And clearly Rush Limbaugh is either a total asshole or he's perhaps indulging in that hillbilly heroin again and thus is unable to control himself inspite of himself...alot like the MJF he so rudely insulted.

See for yourself if this man is faking anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8lsjfjgAA8

I didn't catch what your response to MJF's own words were in that post.

stevieray

10-28-2006, 08:40 AM

Reminds me of when Clooney made his remarks about Charlton Heston and Alzheimers, of course clooney claimed that CH deserved whatever he got...so as it stands now...people still say stupind things, regardless of party.

memyselfI

10-28-2006, 10:56 AM

Whee. (http://planetrush.ytmnd.com/)

OMG. ROFL ROFL ROFL :clap:

Radar Chief

10-30-2006, 07:13 AM

Though he may have been talking out of is azz once again, he had Radar Chief on his side...

clearly, MJF is one very ill human being. And clearly Rush Limbaugh is either a total asshole or he's perhaps indulging in that hillbilly heroin again and thus is unable to control himself inspite of himself...alot like the MJF he so rudely insulted.

:spock: Is this ‘spose’da be in English?

See for yourself if this man is faking anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8lsjfjgAA8

Please quote where I posted that MJF was “fake’n it”. ROFL

Radar Chief

10-30-2006, 07:18 AM

I didn't catch what your response to MJF's own words were in that post.

And you won’t. It’s much easier for Denise to dismiss the facts presented if she can first demagogue my post as “support’n Rush”. Then it’s just the post of some “Ditto head” instead of MJF’s own words.
Sad, when ya think 'bout it. :shake:

Ultra Peanut

10-30-2006, 07:30 AM

I’m also read’n that the most promise’n results are come’n from adult stem cells. Could be wrong though, haven’t followed the topic that closely.Ah'm sho dey just inna gett'n none o' dem results 'cause it won't nevah work o' nuthin', not 'cause dey habben' be'n do'n it fo' ver' lo'ng

Ah mean sho'ly dey'd be cure'n cancah 'n aids 'n all o' dat from day one if'n it be worf annuthin' et all.

An' ah'm sho da lack a' fund'n ain't got nuthin' ta do wit' anythun' neithah.

Radar Chief

10-30-2006, 07:49 AM

Ah'm sho dey just inna gett'n none o' dem results 'cause it won't nevah work o' nuthin', not 'cause dey habben' be'n do'n it fo' ver' lo'ng

Ah mean sho'ly dey'd be cure'n cancah 'n aids 'n all o' dat from day one if'n it be worf annuthin' et all.

An' ah'm sho da lack a' fund'n ain't got nuthin' ta do wit' anythun' neithah.

So I take it you “ain’t got nuth’n” for MJF’s own words “neither”? :hmmm: ROFL

stevieray

10-31-2006, 07:00 AM

And you won’t. It’s much easier for Denise to dismiss the facts presented if she can first demagogue my post as “support’n Rush”. Then it’s just the post of some “Ditto head” instead of MJF’s own words.
Sad, when ya think 'bout it. :shake:

I totally enjoy watching demise squirm over others doing the same thing she's been doing for six years.