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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 02:53 PM
There's an argument going around that Huard doesn't throw the ball downfield as much as Green. I think it's false, and the splits support my argument.

Trent Green threw 507 passes last year. Here are the percentages of where 478 of them were thrown (29 are unaccounted for).


Pass Thrown: Behind line - 18.3 %

Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds - 42.6 %

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. - 25.8 %

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds - 3.9 %

Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds - 2.7 %

Pass Thrown: 41+ yds - 0.78 % (4 attempts)


Damon Huard has thrown 163 passes this year. Here are the percentages of where all 163 have been thrown (0 unaccounted for).


Pass Thrown: Behind line - 26.9 %

Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds - 42.9 %

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. - 23.3 %

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds - 5.5 %

Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds - 1.2 %

Pass Thrown: 41+ yds - 0 % (0 attempts)


I belive the difference in these percentages is almost negligible, especially when you consider that the passing game was scaled back enormously in Denver. That is skewing the percentages right now. I believe when Huard throws his final pass this year, these percentages will be almost identical.

I believe there is almost no difference between Huard and Green. Similar in physique, similar arm strength, similar accuracy, similar scrambling ability.

The defense rests!

JimNasium
10-25-2006, 02:55 PM
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MichaelH
10-25-2006, 02:57 PM
So, should we keep f*c*i*g Damon Huard again? :)

NewChief
10-25-2006, 03:00 PM
The flaw is that your sampling for Huard is far too small to make an accurate comparison.

listopencil
10-25-2006, 03:01 PM
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JBucc
10-25-2006, 03:03 PM
Sounds like the makings of a poop thread to me

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 03:03 PM
The flaw is that your sampling for Huard is far too small to make an accurate comparison.

Indeed. That is why there is the discrepancy right now. I think 163 attempts is a large enough sample size to take a look, though. I'll continue to track these splits as the season continues.

JimNasium
10-25-2006, 03:03 PM
http://wanderingbarque.com/everfixedmark/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/piehole.jpg

foxman
10-25-2006, 03:04 PM
Allllllllllllllllllllrighty then!

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-25-2006, 03:10 PM
No offense, GoatCheeze, but an 11 yard pass does not stretch a defense the same way that a 19 yard pass does. 15-25 yards is the biggest difference btw Green and Huard, IMO.

Kyle401
10-25-2006, 03:12 PM
While I appreciate your use of statistics, I believe that your conclusion is fundamentally flawed. According to your analysis, Huard has thrown behind the LOS over 8% more often than Green. This is statistically significant and would seem to lend creedance to the "QB on a leash" crowd. However, it could be a result of an attempt to get LJ more touches.

In addition, you are missing just over 6% of Trent Green's total data. This greatly increases the probability for error and limits the application of subsequent analysis. I applaud your efforts to defend your opinion using actual facts. Now go out there and find the rest of the data and try it again.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 03:15 PM
According to your analysis, Huard has thrown behind the LOS over 8% more often than Green.

Exactly. I believe the Denver game is skewing the data right now. We also threw all those one-yard passes in Arizona.

In addition, you are missing just over 6% of Trent Green's total data.

I stated as much in the thread header. It is unfortunate.


Now go out there and find the rest of the data and try it again.

I am guessing it is not available.

FAX
10-25-2006, 03:19 PM
Okay. I guess that makes sense although I'd like to hear Mr. kcnut's take on it.

Here's what I'm interested in hearing about from the wise and informed members of this board. What happens if Trent comes back and plays poorly for some odd reason ... prolonged absense, bad line play, brain softening, etc. Does Herm put Huard back in?

FAX

JBucc
10-25-2006, 03:22 PM
Okay. I guess that makes sense although I'd like to hear Mr. kcnut's take on it.

Here's what I'm interested in hearing about from the wise and informed members of this board. What happens if Trent comes back and plays poorly for some odd reason ... prolonged absense, bad line play, brain softening, etc. Does Herm put Huard back in?

FAXDoubt it

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 03:31 PM
Okay. I guess that makes sense although I'd like to hear Mr. kcnut's take on it.

Here's what I'm interested in hearing about from the wise and informed members of this board. What happens if Trent comes back and plays poorly for some odd reason ... prolonged absense, bad line play, brain softening, etc. Does Herm put Huard back in?

FAX

It depends when Green comes back. At a certain point, this is Huard's team.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 03:32 PM
It is also worthwhile to note that Huard has 7 touchdowns and 1 interception this year.

At this point last year, Green had thrown 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions.

NewChief
10-25-2006, 03:37 PM
Another thing that skews the data (and I'm really not trying to bash Huard, because I think he's very good and has done a good job):

Huard has had more golden opportunities at passing. Face it, our running game isn't as successful because teams are focusing on it. This has, in turn, allowed Huard to have some inflated (from my estimation) numbers up to this point in the season. This is especially true for touchdowns. We're having much less success punching the ball into the end zone via running plays than we are passing it. Thus, he's getting more passing TDs.

King_Chief_Fan
10-25-2006, 03:38 PM
It depends when Green comes back. At a certain point, this is Huard's team.

I think it is Huard's team until Green TAKES the job from him in practice.

I don't want Green coming back with cob webs making his debut with a lesser performance than what Huard has proven.

Green>Huard no doubt. But the timing and conditions of Green's return need to be well calculated.

Logical
10-25-2006, 03:42 PM
It depends when Green comes back. At a certain point, this is Huard's team.ROFL

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 03:44 PM
ROFL

The same thing happened with Gannon and Grbac. That was Gannon's team. They made a mistake giving it back to Grbac.

JimNasium
10-25-2006, 03:50 PM
The same thing happened with Gannon and Grbac. That was Gannon's team. They made a mistake giving it back to Grbac.
Have you stopped to consider just how ludikris (sic) it is to actually compare Trent Green to Elvis Grbac?

cdcox
10-25-2006, 03:52 PM
Somethings you just don't need statistics to see. Green (2002 -2005) >> Huard (2006).

And that doesn't take anything away from Huard. He's doing fine at what he is being asked to do.

Cochise
10-25-2006, 03:53 PM
You're a complete moron if you think Green is not going to be under center when he's ready.

I smell a whitlockish attempt to be controversial in order to draw attention to one's self.

Reaper16
10-25-2006, 03:56 PM
The same thing happened with Gannon and Grbac. That was Gannon's team. They made a mistake giving it back to Grbac.
Yeah, but Grbac <<< Gannon. THAT was the problem there.

The analogy is busted because Green is better than Huard.

tk13
10-25-2006, 03:57 PM
I like Huard, I was all for keeping him as #2... but this is far and away Trent Green's team. Gochiefs is starting to get carried away here. This isn't even close, or worth discussing. Grbac was an unproven starter who hadn't played that well, Trent Green has been a Pro Bowl caliber QB the last 5 years. And Huard has played well, but I still don't think he's Trent Green. And I think maybe with more experience and reps Huard could continue to gain confidence and get better, but now's not the time to throw that to the wolves.

JimNasium
10-25-2006, 03:58 PM
I smell a whitlockish attempt to be controversial in order to draw attention to one's self.That's his MO.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 03:59 PM
The analogy is busted because Green is better than Huard.

Doubt has entered my mind.

tk13
10-25-2006, 04:04 PM
This is the quarterback position. There's more to it than just numbers and stats.... there are intangibles, leadership, confidence, etc. Damon Huard has a better QB rating than Tom Brady, does that mean you'd rather have him running a 2 minute drill over Tom Brady?

No, you wouldn't. This team looks up to Trent Green, and views him as the voice and leader of this team. I think they all appreciate what Huard's done, but they view Trent as the leader. Just look at Larry Johnson's comments last week about the issue. This is unquestionably Trent Green's team, and not making him the starting QB when he is ready to play would not be a good idea. Not something we have to worry about anyway.

Cochise
10-25-2006, 04:18 PM
Doubt has entered my mind.

I recommend Monster.com

Calcountry
10-25-2006, 04:18 PM
There's an argument going around that Huard doesn't throw the ball downfield as much as Green. I think it's false, and the splits support my argument.

Trent Green threw 507 passes last year. Here are the percentages of where 478 of them were thrown (29 are unaccounted for).


Pass Thrown: Behind line - 18.3 %

Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds - 42.6 %

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. - 25.8 %

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds - 3.9 %

Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds - 2.7 %

Pass Thrown: 41+ yds - 0.78 % (4 attempts)


Damon Huard has thrown 163 passes this year. Here are the percentages of where all 163 have been thrown (0 unaccounted for).


Pass Thrown: Behind line - 26.9 %

Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds - 42.9 %

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. - 23.3 %

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds - 5.5 %

Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds - 1.2 %

Pass Thrown: 41+ yds - 0 % (0 attempts)


I belive the difference in these percentages is almost negligible, especially when you consider that the passing game was scaled back enormously in Denver. That is skewing the percentages right now. I believe when Huard throws his final pass this year, these percentages will be almost identical.

I believe there is almost no difference between Huard and Green. Similar in physique, similar arm strength, similar accuracy, similar scrambling ability.

The defense rests!Chiefie, do you know anything about statistics, and having a large enough sample of data for that data to be considered statistically relevant to make inferences from?

Simply put, Huard doesn't have enough trials to accurately plot his tendencies enough to weed out any chance variables with his passing tendencies.

Calcountry
10-25-2006, 04:20 PM
Somethings you just don't need statistics to see. Green (2002 -2005) >> Huard (2006).

And that doesn't take anything away from Huard. He's doing fine at what he is being asked to do.PM CD if you need any more help on the subject of statistics, he has proven himself much more thouroughly on the subject than I ever could. :D

milkman
10-25-2006, 05:28 PM
Now you need to break those numbers down even further, and show completion percentage on the attempts at each level.

10.4 yards per completion for Huard this year versus 12.6 yards per completion last year for Green would suggest that Green was completing a larger percentage of the deep passes than Huard.

Easy 6
10-25-2006, 05:30 PM
I cant believe Redrum has not made an appearance & taken full advantage of the word "Splits".

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 05:54 PM
10.4 yards per completion for Huard this year versus 12.6 yards per completion last year for Green would suggest that Green was completing a larger percentage of the deep passes than Huard.

11.1 yards per completion, also skewed by the Denver game.

Here is the completion percentage breakdown.

- H ----- G

63.6 --- 59.1

68.6 --- 69.0

63.2 --- 55.0

33.3 --- 55.0

50.0 --- 42.9

the Talking Can
10-25-2006, 05:58 PM
if you think there is no difference between Huard and Green then you are either a) a raiders fan b) an employee of WPI or c) a ****ing moron

when Huard throws for 4000 yards 3 years in a row...then post this..good god

Huard is doing great...why are you trying to make people hate him?

StcChief
10-25-2006, 06:01 PM
He's running the offense. though play calling may have changed some from 2005.....

Huard's game sample is still too small at this point but a trend is there.

End of year sample will bear this out if same plays are continued and he can continue to do the job. The D don't figure him out.

milkman
10-25-2006, 06:09 PM
11.1 yards per completion, also skewed by the Denver game.

Here is the completion percentage breakdown.

- H ----- G

63.6 --- 59.1

68.6 --- 69.0

63.2 --- 55.0

33.3 --- 55.0

50.0 --- 42.9

milkman
10-25-2006, 06:13 PM
if you think there is no difference between Huard and Green then you are either a) a raiders fan b) an employee of WPI or c) a ****ing moron

when Huard throws for 4000 yards 3 years in a row...then post this..good god

Huard is doing great...why are you trying to make people hate him?

I think the answer is b and c.

I highly doubt many people are coming to hate Huard because of GoFeisty.

Speaking for myself, I have come to appreciate him far more than I ever had before.

The only result of GoFeisty's pimping of Huard is that I have come to realize that she (GoFeisty) is a bigger dumbass than I had been aware of previously.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 06:13 PM
That's not really important right now. Huard hasn't thrown in that area enough. You're talking about 9 passes vs 20 passes.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 06:21 PM
Doubt has entered my mind.

That's not hard to imagine considering the vast wasteland that it is when it comes to football.

mmaddog
*******

milkman
10-25-2006, 06:22 PM
That's not really important right now. Huard hasn't thrown in that area enough. You're talking about 9 passes vs 20 passes.

I assume that you're talking about my quote of you're post, in which I moved the red highlight.

It is, and has always been, my contention that Huard is inaccurate beyond 10 to 15 yards.

21 yard passes are stretching his limitations, and he has stepped up and delivered those 21-22 yard passes.

I'm fairly certain that you would find his completion precentage on those 31-40 yard passes to be right around that 33% mark, or less, throughout his career, in his limited opportunities..

I think you would also find that his percentage is lower than the 63% on the 21-30 yard passes.

You'd get a far more accurate assessment of his ability if those splits were broken down every 5 yards.

Deberg_1990
10-25-2006, 06:27 PM
I dont care what you say GoChiefs. YOu wont convince me.

Look, Huard has been a fine caretaker and has played over his head no doubt.

He still has a slow ass release and delivery. He also floats the ball on anything over 15 yards or a longer out route allowing the DB's a critical extra second to make the play on the ball. His arm strength is just not as good as Greens.

Its funny, in alot of way he reminds me of Rich Gannon. I think hes making himself an awful lot of money for next year if a coach like Jon Gruden decides to take a chance on picking him up and designing an offense taylor made to his limitations ala Gannon.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 06:38 PM
I think he's more accurate than Green. That TD pass to Kennison was pinpoint and it traveled about 35 yards through the air.

Here's some more interesting data.

Huard's QB rating this year is 96.7.

Green's best marks through the first six games of a season as a Chief?

2005 - 81.6

2004 - 87.5

2003 - 86.7

2002 - 98.9

So yeah...I think they are comparable quarterbacks.

Deberg_1990
10-25-2006, 06:41 PM
. That TD pass to Kennison was pinpoint and it traveled about 35 yards through the air.



Yea, because Green has never hit a pinpoint strike to Kennison before.....

LOL...


This argument is dumb.

milkman
10-25-2006, 06:42 PM
I think he's more accurate than Green. That TD pass to Kennison was pinpoint and it traveled about 35 yards through the air.

Here's some more interesting data.

Huard's QB rating this year is 96.7.

Green's best marks through the first six games of a season as a Chief?

2005 - 81.6

2004 - 87.5

2003 - 86.7

2002 - 98.9

So yeah...I think they are comparable quarterbacks.

Good God, woman, you are a stupid little twunt, and you continue to prove with each post that you cream all over Huard on.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 06:43 PM
Good God, woman, you are a stupid little twunt, and you continue to prove with each post that you cream all over Huard on.

So I've defeated your arguments with raw statistical data, and now you turn to personal attacks. Predictable.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 06:46 PM
GoChiefs...your incessant pimping of Huard just shows how little you understand football.

I agree with what has been already said...you do this because you are an attention whore.

mmaddog
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Hoover
10-25-2006, 06:49 PM
I also think you have to take into acount the in the Denver game we kept it all really short, after that I like what I've seen.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 06:51 PM
I think he's more accurate than Green. That TD pass to Kennison was pinpoint and it traveled about 35 yards through the air.

Here's some more interesting data.

Huard's QB rating this year is 96.7.

Green's best marks through the first six games of a season as a Chief?

2005 - 81.6

2004 - 87.5

2003 - 86.7

2002 - 98.9

So yeah...I think they are comparable quarterbacks.

This comparison is so ill advised.....Huard has done this in 6 games.....Green has done it over many more seasons. Using the opposite of your ill fated logic, I could easily state that had Huard been doing this over several years it's safe to say that Huards numbers would diminish.

And quite frankly, if Huard was anything remotely close to starting material he wouldn't be a 2nd string QB for several teams like he has been.

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 06:53 PM
Good God, woman, you are a stupid little twunt, and you continue to prove with each post that you cream all over Huard on.

Better be careful, he'll hit you with the all powerful GoChiefs Star Wars neg rep..... ROFL

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 06:56 PM
Better be careful, he'll hit you with the all powerful GoChiefs Star Wars neg rep..... ROFL

mmaddog
*******

Now you're whining about rep?

You bitter bitch! LMAO

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 06:57 PM
This comparison is so ill advised.....Huard has done this in 6 games.....Green has done it over many more seasons.

Don't you mean he HASN'T done it? 3 of the last 4 years his QB rating has been average over the first six games.

If Huard suddenly falls off the face of the earth, I'll eat my crow, but I don't see it happening.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 06:58 PM
GoChiefs...your incessant pimping of Huard just shows how little you understand football.

I agree with what has been already said...you do this because you are an attention whore.

mmaddog
*******

I think you should continue to add nothing to the discussion and shell out the personal attacks. It's what you're best at.

milkman
10-25-2006, 06:59 PM
So I've defeated your arguments with raw statistical data, and now you turn to personal attacks. Predictable.

No, you've shown your inability to see the difference in the different type of offense they've run, and different types of throws that the two make, so debating the issue with you is is an exercise in futility.

You sit there and throw stats out, but you also have to see the differences in their games as well.

Stats only tell a part of the story.

If memory serves me, then The fake's passer rating would be comparable to Green's in the last 3 or 4 years (though I don't really pay that much attention to passer rating, so I could be wrong).

Using that as a measuring stick, then one could argue that the fake and Green are comparable QBs.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:07 PM
I think you should continue to add nothing to the discussion and shell out the personal attacks. It's what you're best at.

This comment is interesting in that one 2 or 3 other threads I've asked for you to show your writing and analyzing skills and do a pro/con comparison of Huard and you've completely blown it off.

I went to the insults because you refuse to be able to see that Huard, while playing competently in Green's absence, is not starting material.

And quite frankly for you to accuse me of shelling out only personal attacks reeks of hypocrisy considering your history here and at Orange Mane.

I'll add to the discussion when you give me something of substance.

mmaddog
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milkman
10-25-2006, 07:07 PM
Further, Huard right now has a higher passer rating than Carson Palmer and Tom Brady, so by your logic, Huard must be a better QB.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:08 PM
Now you're whining about rep?

You bitter bitch! LMAO

Nah...just having fun.....enjoying myself at your expense. And you provide a great deal of comedy for me.

mmaddog
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NewChief
10-25-2006, 07:14 PM
I think he's more accurate than Green.


:shake:

Ahh, how fickle is the heart of GoChiefs. From one man crush to the next he goes.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:21 PM
Alright folks, whatever.

Half this forum will be begging Herm to put Huard back in when Green stinks it up.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:21 PM
And GoChiefs...one more piece of advice that you'll probably ignore, but should heed....

You need to learn a little something about appearances. I have always liked Phil and admire what he has done with trying to clean up the image of WarPaint Illustrated....and I also admire that he has taken you under his wing and tried to help you grow. But frankly you are letting him down by coming here and acting like you do....if you expect some sense of legitimacy in what you write then quit acting like an ass doing it.

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:24 PM
I went to the insults because you refuse to be able to see that Huard, while playing competently in Green's absence, is not starting material.


That's a really interesting comment, especially considering that Huard has played better against San Diego's defense than ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK THIS YEAR.

NewChief
10-25-2006, 07:25 PM
Alright folks, whatever.

Half this forum will be begging Herm to put Huard back in when Green stinks it up.

Shouldn't that be an "if"? Are you just trying to piss people off or what? You're certainly pissing me off. You went from being the supposed #1 fan of Trent to predicting that he's going to suck when he returns. You make good points that people underestimate the level at which Huard is playing, and your collection of data certainly does a good job of showing that Huard has played well. That being said, trying to claim that this data shows that Huard is better than Trent or that Huard should be the starting QB is going too far. Just be happy with the victories you get and stop trying to push things to moronic extremes.

Adios.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:26 PM
But frankly you are letting him down by coming here and acting like you do....if you expect some sense of legitimacy in what you write then quit acting like an ass doing it.


EXCUSE ME?

I started this thread in the interest of promoting civil football discussion.

I attacked NO ONE.

Then you milkman came on in and made it personal.

I attack NO ONE without provocation.

Deberg_1990
10-25-2006, 07:27 PM
Alright folks, whatever.

Half this forum will be begging Herm to put Huard back in when Green stinks it up.

I fully expect Green to struggle a little bit when he gets back. I dont think anyone will expect im to just step right in and light it up.

Hes always been a slow starter anyways...

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:30 PM
EXCUSE ME?

I started this thread in the interest of promoting civil football discussion.

I attacked NO ONE.

Then you milkman came on in and made it personal.

I attack NO ONE without provocation.

GoChiefs:

You're not trying to promote civil football discussion...you're here to stir shit. The fact that you even remotely infer that Huard is better than Green shows that you aren't thinking clearly. Trying to compare Huard to Green shows lack of understanding how being a starter over a number of years provides wear and tear on the body.

Huard isn't starter material...if he was he wouldn't be a 2nd stringer on several teams.

Start thinking like a reasonable man....

mmaddog
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milkman
10-25-2006, 07:32 PM
EXCUSE ME?

I started this thread in the interest of promoting civil football discussion.

I attacked NO ONE.

Then you milkman came on in and made it personal.

I attack NO ONE without provocation.

I insulted you because you made the ridiculous claim that Huard is comparable to Green.

That is an absolutely ludicrous claim, and leads one to question your credibility and football IQ.

NewChief
10-25-2006, 07:33 PM
I do agree that Huard could be starting material. Trent, if you'll remember, was a backup for SD, was cut, then went to 3rd string on the Redskins roster. He worked his way to 2nd string. Gus got hurt, and Trent go his opportunity. It's very possible that Huard is cut out to be a very good QB.

That being said, trying to make sweeping predictions at this point is silly.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:33 PM
You're not trying to promote civil football discussion...you're here to stir shit.

Got it. I do a little research so I can start an interesting thread....but I'm just trying to stir shit.

Meanwhile, you immediately come into the thread and flame away.

I think it's clear you're being a giant jerk.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:36 PM
I do agree that Huard could be starting material. Trent, if you'll remember, was a backup for SD, was cut, then went to 3rd string on the Redskins roster. He worked his way to 2nd string. Gus got hurt, and Trent go his opportunity. It's very possible that Huard is cut out to be a very good QB.

That being said, trying to make sweeping predictions at this point is silly.

But I would counter that Huard has had more than ample opportunity to claim a top spot and has not. Green took his opportunity and made the most of it.

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:36 PM
That is an absolutely ludicrous claim

Given what we've seen on Sunday, and what Huard has done this year compared to what Green has done, I don't believe it is. People will call it ludicrous because they like Trent Green, and I do too, but it's hard to ignore what I'm seeing out there.

Continue calling me stupid, though. It's what you and mmaddog are best at. Flame away.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:40 PM
Got it. I do a little research so I can start an interesting thread....but I'm just trying to stir shit.

Meanwhile, you immediately come into the thread and flame away.

I think it's clear you're being a giant jerk.

GoChiefs:

If this was the only thread where you were trying to convince someone that Huard was capable of becoming a great QB, then most would consider it an interesting thread.

But this isn't the first...and probably not even the fifth. You've made it a habit of pimping Huard as if he was the next Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. Try being a little more subtle...it would help.

mmaddog
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HMc
10-25-2006, 07:43 PM
Gochiefs didnt you want Green back after the Pitt game?

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:44 PM
Given what we've seen on Sunday, and what Huard has done this year compared to what Green has done, I don't believe it is. People will call it ludicrous because they like Trent Green, and I do too, but it's hard to ignore what I'm seeing out there.

Continue calling me stupid, though. It's what you and mmaddog are best at. Flame away.

I'll make a deal with you GoChiefs.....you quit trying to pimp Huard so much and I'll quit "flaming away".....I can keep my end of the bargain up, can you?

mmaddog
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NewChief
10-25-2006, 07:45 PM
It's pretty easy to see GC's motivation. He's trying to ride the Huard train to CP Nostradamus glory. He's been on the Huard wagon since day one (to his credit), and he's hoping that it will end with Huard being a starter to he can point back to his multitude of threads and say, "I told you so."

No big deal, but I do find the quickness with which his loyalties shift in relation to QBs an interesting trait.

milkman
10-25-2006, 07:45 PM
Given what we've seen on Sunday, and what Huard has done this year compared to what Green has done, I don't believe it is. People will call it ludicrous because they like Trent Green, and I do too, but it's hard to ignore what I'm seeing out there.

Continue calling me stupid, though. It's what you and mmaddog are best at. Flame away.

I watch the games, and I see the difference in the way the games are/have been called.

Huard has been on the leash, and that leash has been extende over the course of 5 games, but he will not be unleashed.

He's playing better than a leashed Plummer in the last 3 years in Denver, but if freed of that leash, he would resemble an unleashed Plummer.

Green is the unquestioned leader of this offense, and no one would even suggest putting him on a leash.

milkman
10-25-2006, 07:46 PM
Gochiefs didnt you want Green back after the Pitt game?

That was the implication.

milkman
10-25-2006, 07:48 PM
It's pretty easy to see GC's motivation. He's trying to ride the Huard train to CP Nostradamus glory. He's been on the Huard wagon since day one (to his credit), and he's hoping that it will end with Huard being a starter to he can point back to his multitude of threads and say, "I told you so."

No big deal, but I do find the quickness with which his loyalties shift in relation to QBs an interesting trait.

To his credit, he did argue that Huard would be a capable B/U before Green was hurt.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:50 PM
I'll make a deal with you GoChiefs.....you quit trying to pimp Huard so much and I'll quit "flaming away".....I can keep my end of the bargain up, can you?

mmaddog
*******

Here's a deal for you...I'll continue being civil to you, and you stop being a ****ing jerk. What do you say?

NewChief
10-25-2006, 07:50 PM
To his credit, he did argue that Huard would be a capable B/U before Green was hurt.


What I find interesting is that his hopes for who will be the eventual starting QB of the Chiefs are grounded in which outcome will make him look better on this BB. In this case, his "reputation" will look better if Huard is the QB, so that's what he hopes happens.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:52 PM
Here's a deal for you...I'll continue being civil to you, and you stop being a ****ing jerk. What do you say?

I doubt you could be civil.....it's evident by the second part of the statement.

But that's OK....it just shows the level of immaturity you continue to have.

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:52 PM
That's not true at all. I hope the best quarterback is the starter, regardless of his last name.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 07:53 PM
I doubt you could be civil.....it's evident by the second part of the statement.

But that's OK....it just shows the level of immaturity you continue to have.

mmaddog
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Ha! You started this.

milkman
10-25-2006, 07:54 PM
What I find interesting is that his hopes for who will be the eventual starting QB of the Chiefs are grounded in which outcome will make him look better on this BB. In this case, his "reputation" will look better if Huard is the QB, so that's what he hopes happens.

I think you're right.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 07:57 PM
Ha! You started this.

Good....you have nothing more to add.....because you know I am right.

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 08:05 PM
Good....you have nothing more to add.....because you know I am right.

mmaddog
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LMAO

Right about what? You've been wrong since the beginning about Huard. Why would that change now?

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 08:11 PM
LMAO

Right about what? You've been wrong since the beginning about Huard. Why would that change now?

Wrong about what.....show me.

All I have argued is that he isn't Saint Huard. I'll repeat it once again for your edification. Huard has played competently during most of the games, but he has also made "back-up" mistakes. But, his presence is just as much a hindrance as it is an assistance.

You're ready to replace Green with him....I'm just ready for Green to come back (when he's physically capable).

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 08:18 PM
Let Croyle start....if they are going to gameplan around Huard, why couldn't they do the same for Croyle.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by mmaddog

Let Croyle start....if they are going to gameplan around Huard, why couldn't they do the same for Croyle.

And this shows what? That I actually think outside the box instead of drink the Kool-Aid.....

I believe that I stated this after the game in Denver...and I'll say this again. If they gameplan around Huard, they could do the same for Croyle....

But you can't see that.....do you really know for sure that Croyle wouldn't have had the same success that Huard has? I can't say for sure that he would...but neither would I guarantee that he wouldn't. And neither could you.

Find something else....I'll give you a few minutes. I'm headed to do my nightly workout.

mmaddog
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Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 08:56 PM
If they gameplan around Huard, they could do the same for Croyle....

But you can't see that.....do you really know for sure that Croyle wouldn't have had the same success that Huard has? I can't say for

LMAO

And you called out my football IQ.

milkman
10-25-2006, 09:05 PM
LMAO

And you called out my football IQ.

So, in your opinion, is Huard a better QB than Carson Palmer and Tom Brady?

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 09:07 PM
Nope.

Cochise
10-25-2006, 09:15 PM
Going into the victim pose now I see... :rolleyes:

milkman
10-25-2006, 09:15 PM
Nope.

Why not?
He has a higher passer rating.

OldTownChief
10-25-2006, 09:29 PM
It depends when Green comes back. At a certain point, this is Huard's team.

LMAO LMAO

Stupid idiot award post of the week.

milkman
10-25-2006, 09:33 PM
LMAO LMAO

Stupid idiot award post of the week.

Week?

How about month?

OldTownChief
10-25-2006, 09:41 PM
Week?

How about month?

I'm sure he said something equally stupid last week.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 09:51 PM
LMAO LMAO

Stupid idiot award post of the week.

Let's say Huard leads us to a 7-3 record.

Would you really want to hand it over so quickly to Green?

FAX
10-25-2006, 09:56 PM
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. I have to hand it to you, Mr. GoChiefs. You are a fearlessly relentless poster.

If we're 7 and 3, I would consider that record a blessing handed down directly from the Almighty Himself. Then I would start Trent as long as he had crisp, solid practices. But, with God as my witness, if he messed up one single time, Downfield Damon would be going in and Trent would be hitting the pine. And I wouldn't want to hear any backtalk from him, either.

FAX

OldTownChief
10-25-2006, 10:00 PM
Let's say Huard leads us to a 7-3 record.

Would you really want to hand it over so quickly to Green?

Yes. This will never be "Huards team". He's a good backup QB, no more, no less.

blueballs
10-25-2006, 10:01 PM
Dan Marino says Damon is a backup QB
Dano should know

milkman
10-25-2006, 10:05 PM
Let's say Huard leads us to a 7-3 record.

Would you really want to hand it over so quickly to Green?

Again I ask.

Since Huard's passer rating is higher than Palmer's and Brady's, why isn't he the better QB, in your opinion?

OldTownChief
10-25-2006, 10:08 PM
I'd start Green Nov. 19th against Oakland just to get his feet wet, and be ready for the Donks the following week.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 10:17 PM
Again I ask.

Since Huard's passer rating is higher than Palmer's and Brady's, why isn't he the better QB, in your opinion?

I don't really think I need to explain why. It's obvious.

milkman
10-25-2006, 10:19 PM
I don't really think I need to explain why. It's obvious.

You're the one that pointed to Huard's passer rating and said that the numbers made him a comparable QB to Green.

So, yes, you do need to explain why.

Teddy Jack Eddy
10-25-2006, 10:23 PM
GERM WARFARE!!!!!!!

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
10-25-2006, 10:23 PM
Huard reminds me of Mike Livingston in 1969. He was good enough to come in and hold the Chiefs together when Dawson got hurt that year.

However, once Dawson was healthy enough to come back, he led the team through the playoffs and the Super Bowl. There was never any question that Dawson shouldn't be the #1 QB, just like there's no question that Green is our #1 QB.

Huard is doing exactly what we're paying him for, to be a caretaker.

Logical
10-25-2006, 10:27 PM
Got it. I do a little research so I can start an interesting thread....but I'm just trying to stir shit.

Meanwhile, you immediately come into the thread and flame away.

I think it's clear you're being a giant jerk.It is not your stats, it is your absurd assertions.

OldTownChief
10-25-2006, 10:34 PM
Huard reminds me of Mike Livingston in 1969. He was good enough to come in and hold the Chiefs together when Dawson got hurt that year.

However, once Dawson was healthy enough to come back, he led the team through the playoffs and the Super Bowl. There was never any question that Dawson shouldn't be the #1 QB, just like there's no question that Green is our #1 QB.

Huard is doing exactly what we're paying him for, to be a caretaker.

Well put.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 10:37 PM
LMAO

And you called out my football IQ.

With good reason.....and quite frankly all you have done on this thread is confirm it for everyone to see.

mmaddog
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milkman
10-25-2006, 10:40 PM
I'm waiting GoFeisty.

If you're going to throw passer ratings out there and tell us that it's proof that Huard is a comparable QB to Green, then you have to explain why that same standard doesn't make him better QB than Palmer and Brady.

Mosbonian
10-25-2006, 10:40 PM
Huard reminds me of Mike Livingston in 1969. He was good enough to come in and hold the Chiefs together when Dawson got hurt that year.

However, once Dawson was healthy enough to come back, he led the team through the playoffs and the Super Bowl. There was never any question that Dawson shouldn't be the #1 QB, just like there's no question that Green is our #1 QB.

Huard is doing exactly what we're paying him for, to be a caretaker.

Great comparison....problem is there aren't many of us who have been around long enough to have seen that season.

mmaddog
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Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
10-25-2006, 10:44 PM
Great comparison....problem is there aren't many of us who have been around long enough to have seen that season.

mmaddog
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Remember, old age and treachery . . . :thumb:

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 10:55 PM
I'm waiting GoFeisty.

If you're going to throw passer ratings out there and tell us that it's proof that Huard is a comparable QB to Green, then you have to explain why that same standard doesn't make him better QB than Palmer and Brady.

Because Brady and Palmer haven't started that slowly over 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Green has. The fact that Huard has come in this year and played so well, so early, leads me to believe he is a comparable quarterback. And certainly I see little physical difference between the two.

OldTownChief
10-25-2006, 10:59 PM
Because Brady and Palmer haven't started that slowly over 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Green has. The fact that Huard has come in this year and played so well, so early, leads me to believe he is a comparable quarterback. And certainly I see little physical difference between the two.

Green is the brain trust on the sideline behind Huard. They're like Siamese twins when the D is on the field.

milkman
10-25-2006, 11:11 PM
Because Brady and Palmer haven't started that slowly over 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Green has. The fact that Huard has come in this year and played so well, so early, leads me to believe he is a comparable quarterback. And certainly I see little physical difference between the two.

But they have come out and started slower this year than Huard has.

That means that Huard is the better QB right now.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 11:12 PM
But they have come out and started slower this year than Huard has.

That means that Huard is the better QB right now.

Certainly he's played better than either of those two. It doesn't mean he's a better quarterback.

milkman
10-25-2006, 11:30 PM
Certainly he's played better than either of those two. It doesn't mean he's a better quarterback.

First, you're a hypocrite.

Second, QB rating is quite possibly the single most overrated stat in all of sports.

Third, anyone who has any clue knows from watching the games over the last 5 years that the offense that Huard has been running is only a shadow of the offense that Green has run in years past, and that Huard is not making the same throws that Green does.

Fourth, where Green's passer rating has risen from the early stages, Huard's have been declining from game to game.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2006, 11:37 PM
It's not just QB rating. You could IGNORE QB rating. Watch the first six games from last year and then watch the first six games from this year. HUARD LOOKS LIKE A BETTER QUARTERBACK.

Count Alex's Losses
11-11-2006, 11:50 PM
Damon Huard has thrown 203 passes this year. Here are the percentages of where all 203 have been thrown (0 unaccounted for).


Pass Thrown: Behind line - 26.1 %

Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds - 40.8%

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. - 25.1%

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds - 5.4%

Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds - 2.4%

Pass Thrown: 41+ yds - 0 % (0 attempts)


Interesting stuff!!! Huard is actually throwing a GREATER percentage of his passes over 20 and 30 yards than Trent Green did last year!